Talk:Israel–Hamas war protests
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Title: "Israel–Hamas war protests"
Suggest new title: "Israel bombardment of Gaza protests". Can an attack by a military superpower (Israel) on the population of a small territory (in Gaza) with minimal armed resistance be reasonably described as a war? I think not. Daoipal1930s (talk) 12:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Do you think the heavily armed, heavily motivated Al-Qassam brigades with 15,000-40,000 militants spread across tunnels and buildings is “minimal armed resistance”? Justanotherguy54 (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- The relative strengths of the protagonists is clear. Israel, a state, is a military superpower with an army, a navy, an airforce (IDF active personnel 169,500, reserve personnel 465,000), state-of-the-art weaponry and machinery, and nuclear bombs. Al-Qassam brigades (not a state) has much less than a tenth of the IDF's strength. Hamas has no navy, no airforce and no nuclear bombs. IDF deaths c. 100; Palestinian deaths in Gaza: c. 18,000. This is not a war. It's a one-sided onslaught. To call it a war, as this Wikipedia page does, is to misrepresent the reality. Daoipal1930s (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Militant groups like Hamas, even if not technically a state, can pose a challenge to even the most technologically superior military, especially if said militant groups hides in tunnels and among civilian buildings, meaning they could be anywhere. Not to mention Hamas is still very capable ie missile launches. Dense urban warfare is notorious for being defender-sided. Justanotherguy54 (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. So far, resistance is well above "minimal," especially considering how small Gaza is and how long the operation takes. Calling militant groups like Hamas "protestors" would be a joke, and I do not think that there is even a single source to support that nonsense. A b r v a g l (PingMe) 15:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- That's not what is being suggested here - they are not saying to call Hamas "protestors," they are saying this conflict is fundamentally not a war. I agree that the use of the term "Israel-Hamas war" is inaccurate and potentially represents a bias towards Israel's preferred way of framing. The issue is that the people being targeted by Israel are not members of Hamas, they are simply Palestinian. The use of "Israel-Hamas War" creates implicit bias in the reader by implying that the Palestinian death toll represents a Hamas death toll, which is not true. 199.231.241.215 (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. So far, resistance is well above "minimal," especially considering how small Gaza is and how long the operation takes. Calling militant groups like Hamas "protestors" would be a joke, and I do not think that there is even a single source to support that nonsense. A b r v a g l (PingMe) 15:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Militant groups like Hamas, even if not technically a state, can pose a challenge to even the most technologically superior military, especially if said militant groups hides in tunnels and among civilian buildings, meaning they could be anywhere. Not to mention Hamas is still very capable ie missile launches. Dense urban warfare is notorious for being defender-sided. Justanotherguy54 (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- The relative strengths of the protagonists is clear. Israel, a state, is a military superpower with an army, a navy, an airforce (IDF active personnel 169,500, reserve personnel 465,000), state-of-the-art weaponry and machinery, and nuclear bombs. Al-Qassam brigades (not a state) has much less than a tenth of the IDF's strength. Hamas has no navy, no airforce and no nuclear bombs. IDF deaths c. 100; Palestinian deaths in Gaza: c. 18,000. This is not a war. It's a one-sided onslaught. To call it a war, as this Wikipedia page does, is to misrepresent the reality. Daoipal1930s (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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change January2024 to January 2024 in the Yemen section Waldo Waddles (talk) 21:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 00:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Fix incorrect reference use and clarify text
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- What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):
1. Remove note [a], which contains a statement of Ai Weiwei AFTER his exhibition was cancelled.
2.
| − | Painter Ai Weiwei's exhibition at the Lisson Gallery was | + | Painter Ai Weiwei's exhibition at the Lisson Gallery was cancelled following his comments that the "sense of guilt around the persecution of the Jewish people" had been transferred and used against the Arab world, that the Jewish community had a significant influence in the media, finance and culture in the US, and that America's military aid to Israel meant the two countries had a "shared destiny". |
- Why it should be changed:
(1) Fix incorrect reference use: All 3 references (The Guardian, Sky News, and Al-Jazeera) say that Ai Weiwei's exhibition was cancelled because of the tweet that he posted. However, note [a] contains a different statement that he made after that exhibition cancellation.
(2) Clarify nature of statement: The paragraph in the current text lists examples of artists who faced repercussions for making "pro-palestine or anti-war" statements. The structure of all other examples in the paragraph: (a) specify the "pro-palestine or anti-war" nature of the statement that was made (b) specify the repercussion. The only exception is the sentence about Ai Weiwei's case, in which the nature of the statement remains unclear.
- References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): The Guardian, Sky News, and Al-Jazeera references already used in the article.
spintheer (talk) 05:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
References
- Done. Thanks for catching that. Zanahary (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Additions to the Belgium section.
Addition 1: On 17 December 2023, 27,000 people marched in Brussels demanding an immediate and permanent ceasefire. The protesters also called for a boycott on companies like Starbucks, KFC and Carrefour.
Addition 2: On 21 january 2024, protesters --> On 21 january 2024, 9,000 protesters
Addition 3: On 17 march 2024, the fifth national pro-palestinan march took place with 7,500 participants. Among the many Palestinian flags, there were also flags of South-Africa, Lebanon, Yemen, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Sudan, Ecuador, Chile, Uruguay and Ireland.
Sources
1) https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2023/12/17/pro-palestina-betoging-staakt-het-vuren-in-gaza-in-brussel/
2) https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/01/21/betoging-brussel-palestina-gaza-oorlog-israel/
3) https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/03/17/nationale-betoging-voor-gaza-in-brussel/ 2A02:A03F:E4A5:8600:51FE:FB66:AB1F:D4FB (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)