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The skeleton dude is Link

If you complete all of his quests, then he mentions that he was the hero once, thus him being a previous Link. 12.207.127.76 19:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, this is fan speculation without a reference, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. Another bit of proof is to check Dead-man's stance, especially his feet. Notice how they shift around? Now, pop in OoT, get yourself an Adult Link, Z-target something, and check his stance. Sword up, shield up, moving feet. And he's not a skeleton, is he? He just looks like a semi-transparent... rotting corpse... XD Kuro Yoake 19:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

We're never going to be able to cite this without low quality self-made screens which were shouted down b4. Could we not at least include the claim it makes to being a previous hero as three non sps have separately seen it? BigHairRef | Talk 01:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with you man. But there's two things about him that confuse me:

1.Why does he wear that Ancient Roman armor instead of the green tunic?
2.Why does he actually talk, when in OoT and MM, he doesn't talk at all? --Yellow Stripe 20:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure, he doesn't talk in any of the games; that doesn't mean he couldn't. Play Ocarina of Time again: note that he's able to actually convey his name to people, like Princess Zelda, even though you can't hear... or see him speak. As for the armor, I'm not entirely sure, but maybe he finally realized that he needed some instead of a simple tunic to protect him. Kuro Yoake^{Speak to me!!} 20:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

But apart from that, he's also bigger than any Link we've seen by now. And it should be noted that not EVERY hero known in the Zelda Universe is the Hylian Link. There have been many others (as everyone who played OOT should know). It could be mentioned in the article though. But could anyone add to which songs he responds? I think that would be very good "evidence" material.DreamingLady 21:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

That's very true, and admittedly not something I had originally thought of... As for the songs, it's listed Here in the LoZ Songs article. I think it's missing one, but it does include the Song of Healing, Requiem of Spirit, Prelude of Light, and even Zelda's Lullaby. "Our" Link played all of those, right? *laughs* Kuro Yoake^{Speak to me!!} 02:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Having mentioned this someone appears to have made note of this in the characters article here. I think that we can put a small reference to his claim to being a previous hero somewhere in the article but making claims that he was once link or indeed which one he was shouldn't be included imo. The only problem is to where to add the info? BigHairRef | Talk 05:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. So far there is nothing outside speculation to support this meaning inclusion would violate WP:OR. We would need someone who worked on the game to state that he was Link before inclusion would be acceptable. --67.68.153.38 00:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting we say that he's Link, simply that he claims to be a past hero and let anyone who reads the article make their own inferences. It;s not OR id we simply state what he says.BigHairRef | Talk 02:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I know you were not saying that but some other people in the discussion were and that was directed towards them. I have no problem with your suggestion. --65.95.16.32 03:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough; minsunderstood. Sorry about that.BigHairRef | Talk 04:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

RIght I've seen a bit on the peer review that makes sense and would put in a place for the mention of the claim by the skeleton thingy whatever it is. I've tried adding it in but it's not the best bit of wiki I've ever written. Can I get some help tidying it up or even moving somehwere else if you think?BigHairRef | Talk 06:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that this guy is the first hero, but not the hero from OOT(because he knew all the skills OOT didn't and he said that he waited and could not tell later heroes until know of the secret) it seems that this could be foreshadowing on the part of the zelda franchise (and i remember somewhere that they would say the next link would look completely different) this guy could be the next hero and the very first link, and they then tell the story of the gods and triforce and probably use shadow link for some reason. The armor is new, and no other game has someone wearing the similar fashion. the only references would be the wolf form of the swordsman and the fact that the twili believed a hero would bear the form of a wolf, although legend. DingusMcClor 11:25, 3 January 2007

I honestly can't say I share your view but that dosen't mean I'm right:). Personally I think he's a previous Link but

• A) There's no way to know for certain if he is. Hyrule might have other 'heros' and
• B) Even if he is we've absolutely no way of knowing because we've never seen what the canon timeline is for the series which apparently exists simewhere within Nintendo HQ, therefore we've no way if knowing which game immediately precedes it and which comes directly afterwards. We've been told it's a century after OoT but how do we know another game now or a future one won't be in between it?

Either way anything other than what he says directly is speculation and thereby OR and won't last 5 minutes on wiki before someone takes care of it.BigHairRef | Talk 17:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Now i remember, this took me a while, but i finally remember which character this is. In Zelda II there was a swordsman who taught link moves, and taught him the downward stab(ending blow) and other such moves. If he is not used in the next game as the main character, then this is probably the character, meaning that A link to the past, Zelda, Zelda II, and link's awakening are before Ocarina of time. '''This is proof that the timeline is settled, and this game tells what order the games come under'''. the swordsman is the swordsman of Zelda II, if i am right. DingusMcClor 22:19, 5 January 2007

Thats not right - ocarina of time takes playce bevore zelda1 & 2 (maybe also bevore a linktothepast - but im not sure) - nintendo had said that, when ocarinaoftime was released 88.117.84.19 22:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's outdated now, but before OOT came out Miyamoto told Nintendo Power what he considers the timeline:

"Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past. It's not very clear where Link's Awakening fits in--it could be anytime after Ocarina of Time."
Based on that, this appears to be the order:

• TLOZ: OOT
• TLOZ: MM
• TLOZ: TP
• TLOZ: TWW
• TLOZ
• Z II: TAOL
• TLOZ: ALTTP TJ Spyke 23:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

erm, that quote was given long before Wind Waker was even being thought of, Wind Waker is clearly the last in the series seeing as Hyrule has long since sank under the sea, and at the end of the game Link and Zelda are told to let it stay there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.102.227 (talk • contribs)

Finally! Someone who is smart enough to see the Wind Waker is one of the last in the series! Many thanks(whoever you are)!Superbub 13:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)Superbub

Did you ever think that Hyrule was eventually unflooded? TJ Spyke 23:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You say Wind waker is the last... have we forgotten of Phantom Hourglass! --TheGreenLink 19:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Windwaker isn't "clearly" the last one. None of them are "clearly" the last one. It may be the last one. I don't think it's the last one, because of the landscape. Twilight princess and Ocarina of time's landscape seem to take place in the same Hyrule. Then, it gets flooded, windwaker happens, they find a new Hyrule(one in Zelda 1, then 2, and Link to the past). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.81.191.125 (talk) 07:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

To everyone who STILL doubts that the skeletal warrior is the OoT Link: Have a look at his shield. It's the Kokiri shield. Which removes every doubt. --Takfloyd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.205.37 (talk • contribs)

Still original research unless Nintendo says it is Link. TJ Spyke 00:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Game Ending? (No Real Spoilers)

After the credits, it freezes on that image of the Triforce, with the words "The End," and then it goes to the "Press Start" screen. Is that the end, or do I continue to play the game as in Wind Waker? Or maybe I fight Gannondof again as if it had never happened? Can anyone fill me in?

The Swagga 03:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It reverts back to before you beat the final boss. It prompts you to save after the 8th dungeon, so if you didn't save at all in the final dungeon you will have to do it again to beat the game again. But if you save in the 9th dungeon, it will save that progress. You just can't save progress against the final boss. Scepia 04:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, a bit like the original Paper Mario game (if you've ever played that)? The Swagga 02:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. HeroOfVirtue 20:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Just like Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker (if you don't start the second quest), Link to the Past, and most Zelda games. JONJONAUG 14:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

What?

Twilight princess is on a time line that doesn't includes the most of the events only the beginning of [9] Ocarina of Time,or Majora's mask....link grows up to live a normal life when he went back in time to the present Ocarina of time and he did it once again on Majora's mask meaning the events never happen...the sagas are the only ones that knew of the legendary hero location and the hidden the power of the triforce of courage with him even Link doesn't know of his adventures notice the skull kid and the postman are also on this game and Link have no memory of them because on this time line he never met them

This is the opening paragraph for the plot synopsis. I have only a loose idea of what this person was trying to say, so would somebody with a better idea please fix this? - Mellesime 20:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Better yet, it needs to be removed. It's speculation, and entirely wrong, since this game's Link isn't the Link from Ocarina at all. --Guess Who 01:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Question (small spoiler?)

Howcome Zelda doesn't have a beast form when she's in the twilight? when you first meet her you're in the twilight realm and she's in human form. I thought that everyone who steps into the twilight has to have a beast form? Don't say it's because she has the triforce because link has the fricking triforce too?

Any ideas? 88.105.105.56 23:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually almost everyone who entered the twilight became spirits (ghosts). Link was the only one that became a beast. The game never specificed why Zelda was not tranformed into anything but it could have been the triforce but we do not know for sure. --70.48.108.100 03:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Just because we know that one of the tree Triforces turns the owner into a wolf as a preotection doesn't mean all three do. Just because all three are golden triangles doesn't mean they all respond the same way. E946 01:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe because Zant wanted her to stay normal?--Purplepurplepurple 03:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Link's transformation into a wolf is destined. Not only does it protect him in the Twilight Realm but it allows Midna to recognize him as the Hero. According to Midna, it is said that the Twilight Realm would be saved by a sacred beast. 70.51.178.26 05:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Three things about the article/game that someone with better knowledge might know

1. Why does it say in the paragraph about the enemies that the dodongos walk on four legs as opposed to two legs before?

2. Does anyone know why this game was rated Teen, the first Zelda game to do so (or should that at least be mentioned)?

3. Why is the paragraph about the Kokiri, which do not even appear in the game, have a longer section than either the Gorons or the Zora?--68.163.216.178 05:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

1. They always walked on 4. I think. Lizardos have always walked on 2 feet tho. 2. "Twilight Princess is the first game in The Legend of Zelda series to be rated T by the ESRB, for animated blood and fantasy violence." 3. I think that's a bunch of speculation and original research. I removed it. Scepia 06:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, in Ocarina and Majora's Mask, Dodongos have only two legs. They kinda drag the back half of their bodies around. --Herald Alberich 06:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What reason is there to believe that *spoiler*

It just seems silly to me to believe that Ganondorf actually survived. I don't see what reason there is to believe this. What evidence is there that he might have lived? And why would it be more reasonable to assume that he "may be alive" than assume that he has simply died?

Zelda characters are usually reincarnated anyway, so even if someone dies, they will most likely return anyway. Death doesn't seem to be permanent in this series. EvaXephon 11:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a new Link and a new Zelda every time, yet it is genreally accepted that there is only one Ganondorf. The games' also pretty much say that, and Ganondorf has memory of all the old events in every game. JackSparrow Ninja 12:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the games actually support that. It's mostly widespread conjecture. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You never actually see Ganondorf die. Link stabs him, he gets up with the master sword still impailed in him, and he just stands there staring off into space. Then the credits roll and no one mentions him. Now there's really no doubt in my mind that he died in some way, but what happend to his body. He could have just teleported back to the dark realm to plan his next attack. That's just my thought and it serves no real purpose but he always comes back. zabbethx

If they didn't show him dying, it because they didn't want you to see him die. If they didn't want you to see him die, then there's a reason behind it. Because that reason may very well be that he didn't die or was still protected by the triforce or something, we can't say that he did. E946 01:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't exactly see evidence that he didn't die. His eyes closed, he stopped moving - that's generally associated with death. So is falling over and laying on the ground, but I always figured that the last shot of him has him standing up because dying while still standing on two feet is just so badass.

I don't think it'd be very bright to leave a plot hole like that, or never bring any closure to 'what happened to Ganondorf', so I think we're supposed to assume that he's dead. Then again, there is no evidence either way, I suppose, so although one outcome seems more logical to me, I guess there really isn't a way to prove that he died. EvaXephon 02:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

THis game takes place before WW. Ganondorf is in WW. Ganon is not dead. --Purplepurplepurple 04:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That statement has not been confirmed. It was stated before, but in any of the recent interviews with Aonuma and Miyamoto, that it NOT stated. There is an idea that there are 2 timelines, but that is total speculation. Scepia 04:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If you assume that the two-timeline thing is true (which accoring to nintendo it is) then this game would more accurately follow the child link/Majora's Mask timeline, so it is actually unknown whether or not Wind Waker follows this game or not. E946 06:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hang on a sec, when did Nintendo confirim a two timeline theory? I've never heard anything other than we'll let you in the future. BigHairRef | Talk 15:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the game follows OoT, not MM (there was a discussionj about this above), and so it has to be before WW. Otherwise, Hyrule would be flooded. Plus, i'm pretty sure that an interveiw with one of the developers stated that the game takes place about 100 years after OoT.--Purplepurplepurple 16:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

How could it follow Oot and not MM, wasn't MM the exact sequel to Oot? I remember reading "after Link puts the sword back he goes to look for saria in the lost woods. gets lost, attacked by skullkid and then ends up in a parallel universe." somthing to that matter --TheGreenLink 19:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Saria? I always thought it was Navi. Both lived in the Kokiri Forest, so Link could have been searching for either of them, I suppose...EvaXephon 00:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

There is an alternate timeline theory, starting after OoT. MM is one of the two supposed timelines, I'm assuming TP follows the other.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplepurplepurple (talk • contribs)

A theory that Nintendo has never supported. TJ Spyke 23:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Nor denied. Nintendo NEVER gives away such secrets.--Purplepurplepurple 03:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone should ask Miyamoto. He gave the timeline (which he, as creater of the franchise, considered official) back before OOT released. Sine then, however, we've only gotten small tidbits (like TWW being hundreds of years after OOT and TP being after OOT but before TWW). TJ Spyke 03:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Tj, thanks for proving my point. After OoT, befor WW. Ganon didin't die. --Purplepurplepurple 20:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Lengthy plot summary

The plot summary is excessive, and I'd like to trim it quite a bit. I thought I would mention it here first because it's a bit of a job. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Because you removed some of the "Don't add this or that to the plot summary" lines, some of those controversies are probably going to repeat themselves. EvaXephon 03:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler Tags

The Computer and Video Games Wikiproject has a general consensus that Spoiler tags arent neccesary on sections labeled "Plot" or something else has obvious. I'll go remove them now, I think it will help get the game "Good Article" standing, although more is also needed.DurinsBane87 23:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you provide a link showing this or I think it'd best go back in as most of the game pages I've seen have the spoiler warnings? MOst notable Halo: Combat Evolved as a FA has the spoiler tags. BigHairRef | Talk 10:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It's somewhere in one of the archives, I believe, but to counter your example, these FA games DON'T have spoiler tags. Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy X, Donkey Kong (video game), Chrono Trigger, Doom. DurinsBane87 10:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair point about the other FA but how old are they? The newest one is about 4 years old especially compared to Halo. I'm not disputing your claim, I'd just like to see the link for it as it dosen't appear to have damaged the GA Standing when they had them in and I erpsonally would prefer them to be in the article. BigHairRef | Talk 15:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I also would like to see this consensus. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this shows that there is not a consesus on not using spoiler tags in game articles. Case by base basis is in fact what it says. I thik the point made at the bottom of the page about spoiler tags being time sensitive is true but I'd also suggest that they should be publicity based as well. The vader thing everyone knows but not everyone knows about the intricacies of the plot of each Zelda game, mostly because not that many people have played through the game. For me they stay.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BigHairRef (talk • contribs)

Races

I feel that in order to trim the size of the article to Wikipedia's standards, we should add a link to the Legend of Zelda Races page instead of listing them on this page. Although that page does need some serious clean up, which I may attempt soon. DurinsBane87 00:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Twilight Princess E3 Trailers

I was watching the 2004 E3 Trailer and the were places and cutscenes that were not even in the game. The same thing was also on the 2005 E3 trailer. Did they do this because there wasn't enough space on the discs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.222.65.228 (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Here is the 2004 E3 Trailer from Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73I-S49NFI

A year, and especially two, is a long time in game development, and you can't expect locations seen in trailers to perfectly match the final game. Locations probably weren't removed because of space, but because they didn't fit in the story as it evolved. --Herald Alberich 01:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold

There is one unsourced statement in the article. Please provide a citation, or remove the statement altogether. (Ibaranoff24 02:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

Removed it. Hadn't seen it and it's not true as I've managed to find the 'glitch'in my PAL - EU game. BigHairRef | Talk 10:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Ganon Gerudo?

I don't recollect Ganon ever being referred to as a Gerudo in Twilight Princess...am I wrong? And also, about the Gerudo section, should we make mention of the fact that Gerudos are a race made up entirely of women with the exception of the one Gerudo Prince that is said to appear every generation? I mean, this could largely attribute for the Gerudo's lacking existence in Twilight Princess, I mean, after all, without the Gerudo Prince, a society of only women can survive only so long... ;) AnujSuper9 07:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

To me, that seems like something that should stay in the Gerudo section of the Zelda races page. TJ Spyke 07:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/g.jsp This link, which is apparently official, states Ganondorf to be The King of the Gerudos. Whether or not the Ganondorf in TP is supposed to be the same one might be debated, but i'm pretty sure it's meant to be the same one. DurinsBane87 10:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that's fair, but I still don't really like the organization of that section... :-/ AnujSuper9 23:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea, for an official website, it's pretty shoddy, but I guess I'd rather them have the good programmers and designers working on the games.DurinsBane87 00:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that the Ganondorf in TP and the Ganondorf from Ocarina of Time are the same person. The only major difference is that he's a bit bulkier in Twilight Princess. --Guess Who 08:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The Race Section Merge

I'm all for it, It'll make this article much more presentable and less sprawling DurinsBane87 08:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

true, it will make the article shorter, but it could also be fine if it was left on the article. :P Pikasneez27 20:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Reception

Can someone fix the rankings for the GCN version? Game Rankings only require 10 reviews to be ranked, some people THINK they require 20 because that is the default search amount (you can have anwhere from 0 to 50). TJ Spyke 21:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler tags

All right, who the **** keeps removing the spoiler tag at the top of the plot section? Yes, we know "Plot" implies spoilerz, but plenty of other media-related articles have them, and it wouldn't hurt. It's one freaking line. What's the problem? Wikipedian06 22:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, saying that "other GAs don't have them so we must not to earn that status" is stupid as hell. First, unless there is some kind of a POLICY suggesting that good articles should not have spoiler tags, there's no reason we'd need to take it out. Also, look at how old some of the other games are: FF4, FF5. This is a two-month-old game, and many have not played it yet! Leave the spoiler warning intact. Wikipedian06 22:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

If they haven't played it yet, then they shouldn't be reading a section with hige bolded title reasing "Plot". E946 09:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Not an excuse. Can't hurt to add the single line of text.Wikipedian06 09:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedian06 has a valid point; spoilers are time sensitive information (i.e. EVERYONE knows that Vader is Luke's father), and claiming that "Wikipedia may contain spoilers" does not exempt the use of spoiler tags as a whole. Otherwise, the spoiler tags would certainly have been TFD'd by now. --Stratadrake 14:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

PS: Oh that's right, Template:Spoiler was TFD-listed, but the consensus was keep. --Stratadrake 14:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler tags should not be there since a plot section will contain spoilers (since it is about the plot, duh), and it's been at WP:CVG not to use them. I can't do it at the moment, so can someone please remove the warning? TJ Spyke 03:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Link to the page containing the policy, please. I don't see it. Wikipedian06

This says clearly that the tags are to be used on a case by case basis. Here I think they should be in. BigHairRef | Talk 18:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

I've reinstated the trivia section. Suggest we sift through it, work out what's accurate, and attempt to incorporate the details into the relevant section of the article. --Oscarthecat 11:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the section, taking out some things too minor and some inaccuracies. Now just to incorporate it. JackSparrow Ninja 06:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The seventh Howling Stone

I just realized why random IPs keep changing the number of Howling Stones from six to seven. There is a stone in the "Lost Woods" with a Triforce symbol that does indeed play Zelda's Lullabye; you find it on the way to the Master Sword, and howl the lullabye to make the Skull Kid appear. It's not an actual Howling Stone because it's not related to the Hidden Skills, but it is similar. --Herald Alberich 23:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch for clearing that up! JackSparrow Ninja 00:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It's Lullaby. Wikipedian06 02:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Was wondering about that. Neither of the spellings looked right to me. --Herald Alberich 05:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Areas, enemies, etc cut from trailers

Given the huge amount of criticism TP has received from fans as a result of cut areas, the wikipedia article should reflect this.

Almost everything from the 1st and 2nd trailers was either modified heavily, removed entirely, or simply removed to out of bounds areas that can only be reached with cheat devices.

For example, the much hyped forest shown in the 1st and 2nd trailers was completely absent, as were the large town and coral pool shown in screenshots released the day the game was delayed in Dec 2005.

The spider boss that chases you is not present in the game, as well as the sasquatch like creature from the 2nd trailer. Also, the spiders cannot wrap Link in webs as he was seen in the 2nd trailer.

Since these cut areas have resulted in huge criticism from fans, they more than warrant a mention here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.81.233.191 (talk • contribs) 22:08, January 28, 2007 (UTC)

How do you know these things were cut from the game and not just created for the preview? Can you provide any reliable sources that say that fans were in a tizzy specifically over this? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The coral pool is the Lakebed Temple. The spider is likely an early version of Armogohma. Clearly the large town is also a very early version of the current Castle Town. Jeez, so the game changes a little.

Hylians/Ordonians

Here is what is currently written about them in the ariticle:

• Hylian

The Hylians are a human race that reside in Hyrule. Most characters in the game are Hylian. The Hylians are distinguished from Ordonians by having long, swept back, pointed ears. Notable Hylians in the game include Link, Princess Zelda and all members of The "Group" except Ashei and Rusl.

• Ordonians

As the name suggests, Ordonians are humans from the Ordon Province. They are distinguishable by having "normal" rounded ears and sharing their appearance with real life humans. In Twilight Princess notable Ordonians include Ilia, Colin, and Malo, Talo and Beth.

The problem? Those paragraphs pretty much contradict themselves, because Link has "long, swept back, poined ears", but is referred to as an Ordonian in the game...SilentWind 04:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It mistakes location for race. The Hylians live in Hyrule, but one Hylian lives in Ordon, which is otherwise human. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 04:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Manga?

Does anyone know if this game is going to turn into a comic like the others? --TheGreenLink 19:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Sections with nothing but a link

• #Weapons, items and abilities
• #Characters and bosses
• #Locations and dungeons

Instead of having three seconds which do nothing but link to their respective articles, why not just put all three them in a See Also section? E946 10:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, links to a split article (i.e. {{main}} template) do not by themselves count as encyclopedaic content; a short blurb on each, along with the relevant links, is a more preferable option, as it does not take away from the article, while still providing links with more information. --Stratadrake 13:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia - Green Chu Chu?

It says in the trivia section that there are green chuchu's in the game... I have beaten the game twice, on the second run completely... yet I have never seen them? And I don't ever recall seeing a magic meter on the boack of the box... but I'll look --TheGreenLink 19:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

There are a few green ChuChu's in the Cave of Ordeals, when they hang on the ceiling and before they merge into a big black chuchu. JackSparrow Ninja 19:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, I don't really know how this works or not, but can someone fix the fact that 8.8 links to this article? I mean I guess there's nothing better 8.8 should redirect to, but it's still kind of immature and lame.

What about the magic meter on the back of the box? I'm at school right now so I really can't check it out... --TheGreenLink 19:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I got the 8.8 redirect speedily deleted.

I lend the game to someone, so I can't check right now. Someone else check please. JackSparrow Ninja 20:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

There is indeed a magic meter seen on the back of the Wii version's box, in that old screenshot of Link fighting a Darknut in the Temple of Time. Don't know about the GameCube box. --Herald Alberich 21:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I went to google and saw the magic meter... Thats pretty fricken wierd. I wonder why it wasn't in the final game?--TheGreenLink 23:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

A few green Chuchu's? I went threw the Cave of Ordeals again and found Purple, Red, Blue, and Gold... no Green. But the mail man is at the end of the cave after you fight the four darknuts on the ledge in the last room of the great fairy. Just in case anyone wanted to know that... --TheGreenLink 18:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't tried it out yet, but I read that when a blue and a yellow Chu mix they form a green one... But I don't know if this is true? I'll have to try it out. P.S. If any of you people want to be a speedy Gonzales and find this out fast, Report it immediatley if it is true or not. --TheGreenLink 23:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Where did you see the mailman at the end? I beat it and didn't see him...

Anyways, I remember seeing it there. Whether it was there on the ceiling, or formed from blue and yellow, I don't know for certain though. JackSparrow Ninja 23:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no green chuchus in the game, only red, blue, purple, yellow and gold. You can find the postman in the cave of ordeals if you beat it a second time. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Any place here to post about this MAJOR glitch?

I saw a couple videos on youtube ( one of which is linked as http://youtube.com/watch?v=XkB53h2M5Pw&mode=related&search=) and it showed one of the worst gaming glitches possible. This supposedly appears on the wii version only, but in case you don't wanna watch the vid, I'll explain it. If you save in the room with the cannon supposed to launch you into the city in the sky and turn the game off before you tell shad to leave, (or maybe telling him to leave doesn't matter) when you restart the game, you will be locked in that room with absolutely no way out, and unless you had a separate save file, you have to start the game over as there's absolutely no way out at all. I feel that the news of this glitch should be spread EVERYWHERE, so I'd like to know if there's a place here to post about it. Maybe under "Twilight Princess on wii"?— Preceding unsigned comment added by PokeFan2006 (talk • contribs)

We had a section with that info, but a consensus decided it wasn't important in an encyclopedia article about the game, and it was removed. --Herald Alberich 05:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Gameplay?

Why does it say "brian hobbs beat this" at the beginning of the Gameplay section? I can't edit it out, as it isn't showing up... 207.32.33.18 01:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It isn't showing up because someone already got rid of it. Thanks for your concern. --Herald Alberich 01:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If you see something like that, it's usually vandalism (I took it out). You might have started editing right after I took it out (hence why you didn't see it). TJ Spyke 02:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

LandoftheLegend

People, PLEASE stop adding that site as a source for the sales section. It references Wikipedia as its source. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it looks like JackSparrow Ninja wants to spam LotL so much that he would even ignore the fact that the list on LotL he's using is taken from Wikipedia (and even try to argue that it isn't). - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Dubious claim

User:Sup blad just posted "Then you see Link at his home with Ilia and the children all smiling (if you collected all the poe souls, all the golden bugs and all the pieces of heart." at the end of the plot section. I took it out for now as unlikely; can anyone confirm this? --Herald Alberich 21:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

*spoilers*

What really happened there? What was the significance of Zant appearing? Why did he bend his neck like that (snap) and what happened to Ganon when he did that?

If anyone knows the answers (or can at least get the community to agree on them) they should be mentioned in the article. --GreenEarthPFC 22:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Unless there is an official source, it would all just be speculation (which is a no-no). TJ Spyke 22:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

There are two schools of thought on this matter. The first idea is that Zant willingly snaps his own neck, which kills Ganondorf. The second idea is that Ganondorf's death causes Zant to die.

When Midna appears to destroy Zant, Zant returns and states that he cannot be defeated as long as Ganondorf is alive, and that Ganondorf is sharing his godlike power with Zant, which Zant can use to sustain his own life. This leads directly to the conclusion (not assumption, but conclusion) that when Ganondorf's strength is waning, his power can no longer sustain Zant's life, and so Zant dies.

However, there are some who believe that Ganondorf is not simply sharing his power, but that their two life forces are 'linked', so Zant has the ability to kill Ganondorf at any time he wishes by commiting suicide. There is NOTHING that implies or supports this belief.

Understand this: if the writers of the plot wanted the viewer to understand that Zant chose to kill Ganondorf, they would have at least thrown in a single line of speech implying that Zant wanted Ganondorf to die, or some sort of camera shot implying that idea. Instead, we see NOTHING of the sort. Obviously, we were NEVER intended to reach that conclusion. We see Ganondorf struggling just to breathe, Zant's neck snapping, and Ganondorf cease moving. These scenes are obviously meant to imply that Zant's life ends as Ganondorf's life ends. There is NOTHING ANYWHERE that implies that Zant would ever want Ganondorf to die.

It is simply illogical and absurd to believe that there is any other conclusion. There is no speculation here; the answer is as clear as day and is reached by paying attention to dialouge and not allowing one's imagination to run wild with strange theories about Zant snapping his own neck somehow.

There is no need for debate, no need to wait for an answer from an 'official source', and no need for this issue to be dragged on any longer. There is only one logical conclusion to be made, and no room for any other possibility. It's about time this subject was laid to rest. Ganondorf's waning strength caused Zant to die, because Ganondorf's power was allowing Zant to stay alive after Midna's mortal blow to him.

I move that the article should be adjusted accordingly. EvaXephon 00:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

No, that is original research. I think Nintendo left it open like that so people can decide for themselves. TJ Spyke

What EvaX said is fully correct and does not constitute original research. Try snapping your own neck and see if you could do it. Seriously, this theory is just plain retarded. Wikipedian06 11:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Easter Eggs?

why have the easter eggs section when there is a trivia section? it seems odd to me DBZROCKS 23:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia was turned into Easter eggs, and then somebody else created the trvia section again. TJ Spyke 23:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

score

Who's the idiot who keeps changing the rank on game rankings to 18th because it is actually the 15th? Stop it, it annoying.RammaYB 20:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't call people idiots. Please behave like an adult. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't call other Wikipedians children. Behave like a civil Wikipedian. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That's because it is 18th, not 15th. Game Rankings only requires 10 reviews to be ranked, not 20. The problem is that their default search amount (since they let you choose how many reviews you want required, so you can choose games with only 50 or more reviews) is 20. If you change that to 10, you will see 3 games ranked higher than Zelda. TJ Spyke 22:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You can choose to even have 1 review though, so unless there is a wikipedia guideline in the Video game Wikiproject for this we probably should go with the default. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

In the infobox for the game the site even labels it as the 15th best. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

On the very front page (which they have a "featured" game), Game Rankings says "A title needs at least 10 reviews in the database before it is placed into the overall rankings". I don't know why the default search amount is 20, but they only need 10 reviews (which would put 3 games ahead of the Wii version). Please stop changing it back since you now know you are wrong. TJ Spyke 01:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Truee but not only is the default 20 but the site uses the 20 review as the official one As can be seen here, Also when a game does not have at least 20 reviews the infobox does not contain a score As seen here. I'm not sure what you found particulary objectionable to my edit as I refered to both rankings. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the minimum used to be 20, they probably were just too lazy to fix it. Nevertheless, they only require 10 reviews to be ranked. So the Wii version is 18th ad the GameCube is 4th, no need to use any other ranks (unless you want to say what they would be with 1 review, or 50). TJ Spyke 02:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

While it says it requires 10 reviews to be entered into the database no where does it say that 10 reviews are the standard for ranking. On the contrary both the links I provided and the default search show that GameRankings considers 20 reviews to be the dividing point. While you may disagree with their logic its hard to ignore that fact. Jedi6-(need help?) 02:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)