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Line 1: {{~~talkheader~~Talk header}} {{British English}} {{WikiProject banner shell\|collapsed=yes\|class=B\| {{WikiProject Brands\|importance=Mid}} {{WikiProject Companies\|importance=Mid}} {{WikiProject Hampshire\|importance=Mid}} {{WikiProject Media\|importance=Mid}} {{WikiProject Telecommunications\|importance=Low}} {{WikiProject Television\|importance=Low}} {{WikiProject United Kingdom\|importance=Mid}} }} {{Copied \|from = NTL (company) \|from_oldid = 106614979 \|to = Virgin Media \|to_diff = 106615486 \|to_oldid = 106614271 \|date = 17:28, 8 February 2007 \|small = }} {{merged-from\|Virgin Media Pioneers\|28 June 2022}} == Split proposal == {{Discussion top\|1=The result of this discussion was to undertake the moves/copies required in order to restore content to [[NTL (company)]]. --[[User:Trevj\|Trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj\|talk]]) 12:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)}} I propose that the section [[Virgin Media#History]] be split into: [[Telewest]] (already present) [[NTL]] (perhaps reinstating a version [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NTL&diff=prev&oldid=104741114 around this date]) :Note: it appears that the merge was never discussed at [[Talk:NTL\|NTL]]. [[Virgin.net]] [[Premium TV]] [[Virgin Mobile]] The article is currently too long, according to guidance at [[WP:SIZERULE]]. It should be reduced to a reasonable size. --[[User:Trevj\|Trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj\|talk]]) 21:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC) ~~I think a couple of interesting issues facing Virgin Media should be included in the article:~~ ~~1) The use of Nagravision 1 (which has been compromised since 1999), and the widespread availability of pirate boxes (see eBay)~~ 2) That a high percentage of customers are on "retentions" deals, with customers often cutting the cost of their package by 50% or more - offered by the retentions department, acessable to customers who say they wish to leave. ~~[[User:Satellite John\|Satellite John]] 21:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)~~ : I disagree that the article is too long per se, but am not against reducing the History section where the content exists elsewhere or could more appropriately do so. If a separate NTL article is created, which I would support, then undoubtedly the large NTL and Premium TV-related sub-sections of the History section in this article could be much reduced, although I would be against them being wholly removed as they provide useful and necessary context. Doing this would enable the overall length of the History section to be much reduced. : I would be in favour of the 'Telewest (1984–2006)' sub-section of the History section being reduced in so far as it duplicates content in the Telewest article, but again I would be against it being wholly removed and a couple of brief paragraphs does not seem to me either excessive or inappropriate. ~~==Speculation==~~ ~~This article seems to contain a lot of things that appear to be speculation on the part of the author. AFAICT this not what Wikipedia is:~~ : The rest of the History section should in my view remain as is. The option exists to create a separate 'History of Virgin Media' article in time, although the steps above would reduce the short-term need for such a move.[[User:Rangoon11\|Rangoon11]] ([[User talk:Rangoon11\|talk]]) 21:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC) " It is ''likely'' Virgin Media shops ''could'' be set up in major cities to promote its services, on a stand alone basis." "The ultimate holding company of Virgin Media Plc is ''likely'' to be Virgin Media, Inc." "However, if in the future it is felt that it would be inappropriate, the division ''could'' be re-branded something like Virgin Content, whilst a channel like Living TV ''could'' be re-branded as Virgin Living." ::Rangoon11's method seems good. I would also consider trimming the [[Virgin Media#UKTV\|UKTV]] section and possibly summarising [[Virgin Media#Virgin Media Television\|Virgin Media Television]]. Virgin.net and Premium TV might be better off included in the NTL article rather than as separate stubs. The [[Virgin Media#Virgin Mobile\|Virgin Mobile]] section isn't in the history and already has its own article ([[Virgin Mobile UK]]). - [[User:Jasmeet 181\|Jasmeet_181]] ([[User talk:Jasmeet 181\|talk]]) 17:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC) ~~[[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 16:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)~~ :::Sorry - my proposal was a little ambiguous. I'm not proposing splitting the entire section (i.e. a {{tl\|Split section}}), although [[History of Virgin Media]] could be created if the amount of material to be retained is too much. I think that retaining concise histories of pertinent points is important. My main concern is that a lot of content was lost from [[NTL]] and should be reinstated at a new page, e.g. [[NTL (company)]]. IMO this should ideally be done in such a way that the edit history for the company is not lost. Therefore, how about: ~~== Clean Up ==~~ :::Replace (currently unused) [[NTL (disambiguation)]] with current contents of [[NTL]] This article is currently a bit of a mess and needs a cleanup. Although I have tried to restructure it a bit, as I said above there is a lot of Crystal Ball gazing. There are also acres of unsourced statements. IMHO this article, [[NTL]], and [[Telewest]] (possibly [[Virgin.net]] as well: AFAICT it is rebranding to Virgin Media) should all be merged, probably with NTL forming the back-bone of the new article amended for changes in the structure. [[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 02:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC) :::Move [[NTL]] to [[NTL (company)]] :::Edit [[NTL (company)]] to the contents of a date such as that previously mentioned above :::Place a note at [[Talk:NTL (disambiguation)]] explaining that some edit history for the dab is at [[NTL (company)]] :::Edit [[NTL (disambiguation)]] to include [[NTL (company)]] in place of [[NTL:Telewest]] :::Move [[NTL (disambiguation)]] to [[NTL]] :::Edit [[NTL:Telewest]] to redirect to [[NTL (company)]] :::Is there anyone around here who can shed some light on past edits? If so, this could save having to potentially trawl through [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/NTL&limit=500 any relevant discussions]. :::Is it possible that an admin would have the right privileges to tidy the mixed edit histories of the company page and the dab in a preferable manner? Thanks. --[[User:Trevj\|Trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj\|talk]]) 19:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC) :::: I'm not an admin and so can't help with the technicalities but I agree with the proposal.[[User:Rangoon11\|Rangoon11]] ([[User talk:Rangoon11\|talk]]) 22:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC) :::You'd need to put in a requested move [[WP:RM]], as the number of pages involved won't make it a simple move. List them all as a single job. - [[User:X201\|X201]] ([[User talk:X201\|talk]]) 16:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC) :::::Thanks. That can be looked at once others have had time to comment. I've posted a note on [[WT:COMPANIES]] and [[WT:TELECOM]] --[[User:Trevj\|Trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj\|talk]]) 19:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC) {{od}}'''Note:''' This discussion was copied to [[Talk:NTL#Split proposal (from Virgin Media)]] on 11 May 2011, in preparation for a [[WP:RM\|requested move]]. '''Please do not add further points here.''' Thanks. --[[User:Trevj\|Trevj]] ([[User talk:Trevj\|talk]]) 12:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC) {{discussion bottom}} == Confused About Ownership == ~~--[[User:81.170.119.238\|81.170.119.238]] 11:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)~~ ~~I definitely think this should happen once Virgin Media is officially launched (rumoured to be either 8th or 14th Feb).~~ I am extremely confused about national identity of the company and the opening paragraph doesn't make it any clearer, the company doesn't appear in the listings of US Companies and SEEMS British from it's history apart from the fact it is primarily listed on the US stock market AND has it's HQ in America but it's operational HQ in the UK, so in retrospect what IS it's national identity? [[User:Twobells\|Twobells]] ([[User talk:Twobells\|talk]]) 16:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC) ~~:It appears someone has changed the dates of the merger on all articles with out providing any source.~~ :Just to add, it appears that Virgin.net IS changing its name to Virgin Media. I dont know where this leaves the claim that Virgin.net is one of the 6 divisions of the new company. As far as I can tell its products are being merged into the rest of the group. Also what happens to NTL:Telewest business???? [[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 17:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC) : Its national identity is best described as Anglo-American. It is registered and has its principal listing in the U.S. but has its operational headquarters, a seconday listing and virtually all of its operations in the UK. Virgin Group has only a very small shareholding. [[User:Rangoon11\|Rangoon11]] ([[User talk:Rangoon11\|talk]]) 10:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC) ~~Posted by Alex on 4th of Febaury 2007~~ ==UKTV section== ~~I think that the section Ntl:Telwest should be scrapped since virgin media is the new name of all the companies put together and more foucsing on this (Virgin Media)~~ This is full of future-facing statements like "They are also now considering HD versions of their channels in 2009," and pretty much none of the first para is relevant anymore. I also feel like the fact that it is no longer owned by Virgin Media should be mentioned earlier. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.220.12.7\|2.220.12.7]] ([[User talk:2.220.12.7\|talk]]) 15:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ~~----~~ == New Packages == ~~Firstly Virgin Media Sections are to be created in a lot of Virgin Mobile stores, which cannot be rebranded at this time.~~ ~~Virgin.net~~Packages ~~will~~listed ~~remain~~in ~~as an ADSL~~the broadband ~~service,~~section ashave ~~opposed~~now tomoved ~~cable broadband~~on. [[Special:Contributions/78.146.47.104\|78.146.47.104]] ([[User talk:78.146.47.104\|talk]]) 16:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC) ~~Virign Media officialy launches on Feb 8th 2007 which has been labeled V Day.~~ == news.virginmedia.com == ~~As for a source - I am currently employed by ntl:telewest (Soon to be Virgin Media). The above information has been posted on the company intranet.~~ ~~[[User:82.40.202.187\|82.40.202.187]] 17:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)~~ : Hi, Thanks for your reply. I have to admit I'm quite confused to what is happening, it appears NTL seem to be throwing in suprises for the media and public to keep us on our toes. As a customer of NTL, the details I have received suggest the Virgin.net will be re-branded "Virgin Media" at the same time. Virgin's promotional website (know1st.co.uk) also appears to indicate Virgin.net will be integrated into the rest of the business. If this is the case where do the 6 divisions come from? At the same time I note there is no mention of "NTL:Telewest Business", is this the 6th unit or is this also being integated into the rest of the business? : I think we need to keep things from the NTL and Telewest articles such as the history, it sets a context about the company, and thats what Wikipedia is about more than being an advert for Virgin IMHO. However, I guess a lot of the stuff regarding services will probably be irrelevant now. ~~:I have seen that [[Digital Spy]] is now reporting the new launch date which should do as a source for that.~~ ~~:[[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 22:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)~~ FYI this isn't hosted by Virgin, the article is inaccurate, Virgin Media outsourced to Highwinds a while ago. ~~===Merger of Virgin Mobile ===~~ Since Virgin Mobile has international operations, IMHO this should remain a separate article, unless they are also rebranding as Virgin Media [[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 02:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Non-authoritative answer: Name: virginmedia.svc.highwinds-media.com ~~-- Virgin Mobile is now part of Virgin Media [[User:81.6.193.157\|81.6.193.157]] 23:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)~~ Addresses: 81.171.92.236 81.171.92.222 ~~==Inc or Plc?==~~ ~~Virgin Media Inc. is the correct name for this company. No company names Virgin Media plc exists. See http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?selected=VMED&symbol=VMED~~ ~~Stuartfanning~~ ~~:What are you trying to say? - [[User:X201\|X201]] 16:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)~~ Aliases: news.virginmedia.com I've merged the histories of these articles because the content was the same, but I'm not sure what title they belong under myself. [[User:Cool Hand Luke\|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke\|Luke]]'' 16:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC) == External links modified == ~~There is no Virgin Media plc registered with Companies House. Can I suggest [[Virgin_Media_Plc\|Virgin Media Plc]] page be deleted from Wikipedia?~~ ~~[[User:Marcgr\|Marcgr]] 23:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)~~ Hello fellow Wikipedians, ~~Well that's very official. If it's not registered with the companies house then the company does not exist under law. So it should be deleted, why is this taking so long!~~ I have just added archive links to {{plural:5\|one external link\|5 external links}} on [[Virgin Media]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=699699226 my edit]. If necessary, add {{tlx\|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx\|nobots\|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes: ~~-----~~ Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090309180644/http://networks.silicon.com:80/broadband/0,39024661,39163928,00.htm to http://networks.silicon.com/broadband/0,39024661,39163928,00.htm ~~Virgin Media Inc is a company registered in New York, NY~~ Added archive https://web.archive.org/20091015210754/http://www.vtesse.com:80/whats-new.asp?news=20 to http://www.vtesse.com/whats-new.asp?news=20 Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080903210334/http://willmcgree.tumblr.com:80/post/38380033/bpi-letter to http://willmcgree.tumblr.com/post/38380033/bpi-letter Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080622032600/http://www.f-secure.com:80/sw-desc/apropos.shtml to http://www.f-secure.com/sw-desc/apropos.shtml Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110521015315/http://www.f-secure.com:80/sw-desc/peopleonpage.shtml to http://www.f-secure.com/sw-desc/peopleonpage.shtml When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' to let others know. ~~Virgin Media Inc is made up of 4 main trading companies:~~ ~~Virgin Media Limited is the company that registerd in London, UK providing services to consumers.~~ ~~ntl Business Limited is the company that is registered in London, UK providing businesses.~~ ~~Virgin Mobile Telecoms Limited is the company that is registered in London, UK providng mobile phone services to consumers.~~ {{sourcecheck\|checked=false}} ~~The structure is a follows:~~ Cheers.—[[User:Cyberbot II\|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier;">cyberbot II</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User talk:Cyberbot II\|<span style="color:green;">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 22:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC) ~~3 Divisions:~~ ~~A. Consumer~~ ~~B. Business~~ ~~C. Television Content~~ == External links modified == ~~A. The consumer division has 4 product offerings~~ Hello fellow Wikipedians, TV ~~Broadband~~ ~~Phone~~ ~~Mobile~~ I have just added archive links to {{plural:2\|one external link\|2 external links}} on [[Virgin Media]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=707582062 my edit]. If necessary, add {{tlx\|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx\|nobots\|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes: ~~B. The business divison is knows as ntl:Telewest Business~~ Added archive {newarchive} to http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/market-data-research/other/tv-research/dtv/dtv_2007_q3/dtvq307.pdf Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110501114552/http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=57297 to http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=4&article=57297 When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' or '''failed''' to let others know (documentation at {{tlx\|Sourcecheck}}). ~~C. Telelvision content is Virgin Media Television~~ {{sourcecheck\|checked=false}} ~~[[User:Marcgr\|Marcgr]] 21:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)~~ Cheers.—[[User:Cyberbot II\|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier;">cyberbot II</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User talk:Cyberbot II\|<span style="color:green;">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 17:39, 29 February 2016 (UTC) ~~== Proxy servers ==~~ == External links modified == ~~[[User:Ongal\|Ongal]] 18:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)As much as I hate the proxy servers - I don't think that this problem is actually related:~~ Hello fellow Wikipedians, ~~''These transparent proxy servers also override the user's hosts file and prevent manual DNS updates.''~~ I have just modified 3 external links on [[Virgin Media]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=782139451 my edit]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot\|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes: ~~I could list many problems that are caused by proxies, but this isn't one of them to the best of my knowledge. Any objections if I remove this line?~~ Corrected formatting/usage for http://networks.silicon.com/broadband/0%2C39024661%2C39163928%2C00.htm Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20061113134817/http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=874 to http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=874 Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/Sky-Anytime-on-Virgin-Media-rolls-out-on-TV-and-online-21da.aspx Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110430050859/http://www.tca.ie/images/uploaded/documents/M-10-020%20The%20CA%20clears%20the%20proposed%20acquisition%20of%20VMtv%20by%20Sky.pdf to http://www.tca.ie/images/uploaded/documents/M-10-020%20The%20CA%20clears%20the%20proposed%20acquisition%20of%20VMtv%20by%20Sky.pdf When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. '''They have removed the transparent proxies correct, however their is a Web Cache service available (webcache.virginmedia:8080) ... Any ideas?''' <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.17.70.95\|82.17.70.95]] ([[User talk:82.17.70.95\|talk]]) 14:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> {{sourcecheck\|checked=false\|needhelp=}} ~~== Redirects to this page ==~~ The following all now redirect here [[NTL]], [[Telewest]], [[Virgin.net]]. They are all historic names in British business history and deserve articles of their own. I vote this page should have a short description of each as antecedents to Virgin Media Inc with a link to the main page describing each business in more detail. [[User:Lumos3\|Lumos3]] 23:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot\|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot\|Report bug]])</span> 04:15, 25 May 2017 (UTC) ~~:I agree. - [[User:X201\|X201]] 12:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)~~ == External links modified == ::I agree. It's quite rediculous that people always jump on merging and redirecting articles just because companies have merged or rebranded. NTL and Telewest have been major brands in the UK for decades, and the wealth of information that is relevent to an encyclopedia like this but not specific to Virgin Media is huge. [[User:Timb0h\|Timb0h]] 15:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC) Hello fellow Wikipedians, :::Question is, where do you draw the line? How do you break the articles in two? (Given that IMHO duplication on Wikipeida is a '''very''' bad thing (it very quickly leads to inconsistencies - if it isnt already the first law of Wikipedia should be avoid duplication at all costs)). Fact is Virgin Media IS NTL Inc - just with a different name. AFAICT, there hasnt even been a pretence on VM's part that it is a different company. [[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 15:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC) ''(Moved by [[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] as it is substantially the same topic of debate):'' Now that the Telewest article redirects here, where's amm the Telewest data gone; its history, trade and information specific to what Telewest was that no longer exists in the Vermin oriented article? I'll reopen the Telewest article to feature the company history with clear mention that the company's now trading under a different name with bright red labels. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet\|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet\|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 16:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC) I have just modified 9 external links on [[Virgin Media]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=783812610 my edit]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot\|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes: ::For the main part see my reply above as to why I think one article is a better idea. As for where the data is? Things such the history where copied and pasted to this article. A few things that I felt werent really notable were deleted. For example, are advertising campaigns really notable? Equally a lot of the services actually refer to the service that was provided just before the merger, and bare more similarities to the services provided by VM today rather than the Telewest of old.[[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 17:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090823052547/http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39556.html to http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39556.html Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090825191026/http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39642.html to http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39642.html Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20061127204411/http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39694.html to http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39694.html Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090825185616/http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds40409.html to http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds40409.html Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100729215253/http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2010/07/increase-in-uk%E2%80%99s-average-actual-broadband-speed/ to http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2010/07/increase-in-uk%E2%80%99s-average-actual-broadband-speed/ Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/Virgin-Media-Launches-the-UK-s-Fastest-Broadband-11c.aspx Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/Virgin-Media-to-Trial-Ultrafast-Broadband-over-Telegraph-Poles-185.aspx Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/Virgin-Media-rolls-out-UK-s-fastest-broadband-with-100Mb-1c6.aspx Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/Virgin-Media-boosts-Britain-s-broadband-speeds-2322.aspx Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130501181846/http://about.virginmobile.com/aboutus to http://about.virginmobile.com/aboutus Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/Virgin-Media-pioneers-free-landline-to-mobile-calls-175.aspx Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/BskyB-and-Virgin-Media-Reach-Agreements-on-Sale-of-VMtv-and-Channel-Distribution-1a1.aspx Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/Stories/BSkyB-and-Virgin-Media-Complete-Sale-of-VMtv-1a9.aspx Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090421060801/http://www.ofcom.org.uk/research/tv/reports/dtv/dtv_2007_q3/ to http://www.ofcom.org.uk/research/tv/reports/dtv/dtv_2007_q3/ Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080420083039/http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/04/14/separated-at-birth/ to http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/04/14/separated-at-birth Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090217191354/http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2214505/virgin-media-faces-boycott-net to http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2214505/virgin-media-faces-boycott-net When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. :::Other than, I'm clearly against the mass redirecting to Vermin Media, there is a clear loss of information when redirects are implemented following company mergers. The information present on [[Telewest]] is a testimony of what the company was and is set in stone. The VM article will evolve as the branded services do, the Telewest will not. It is unencyclopedic to remove information on the grounds a company no longer exist when the company in quest is notable and possesses a substantial history. I agree with the changes you have implemented since the reopening of [[Telewest]] and it is important that such information hidden in history logs be present and not ommited in the VM article where they would be out of date and rather off topic, there place rightfully being in [[Telewest]]. I see that messages above tend to agree in a less aggressive manner to mine to the fact that articles are too easily merged and forgotten. Wikipedia would be very empty with no History related articles: ''sorry WWII was 50 years ago, it's been merged with Iraqi war II''. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet\|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet\|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 19:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC) {{sourcecheck\|checked=false\|needhelp=}} ::::There's precedent for keeping the articles separate: see, for example, [[Plessey]], which is now part of [[BAE Systems]] by way of [[The General Electric Company\|GEC]] [[User:Nevalicori\|Nevalicori]] 23:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot\|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot\|Report bug]])</span> 20:34, 4 June 2017 (UTC) ~~== History section reorg ==~~ == External links modified == I have reorganised the History section, such that it is now in chronological order and correctly groups all of the NTL history together. I have added no additional information. [[User:JonoP\|JonoP]] 16:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Hello fellow Wikipedians, ~~== Virgin Media Inc → Virgin Media Categories for Discussion nomination - implications for article title ==~~ I have just modified 2 external links on [[Virgin Media]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=801103406 my edit]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot\|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes: ~~Someone nominated [[:Category:Virgin Media Inc]] for CfD, stating that Inc is not used in titles. If that title is renamed, then it has implications for the title of this article.~~ Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://investors.virginmedia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=135485&p=irol-faq Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121130221241/http://www.itvplc.com/media/news/itv-and-ntl-in-merger-talks to http://www.itvplc.com/media/news/itv-and-ntl-in-merger-talks Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120226045732/http://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk/News-and-events/News/News-archives/2010/Virgin-Media-Business-Launch/ to http://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk/News-and-events/News/News-archives/2010/Virgin-Media-Business-Launch/ Added {{tlx\|dead link}} tag to http://www.idigitalsales.co.uk/index.html When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. Discussion of the CfD is here: [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion#Category:Virgin Media Inc]] --[[User:Tghe-retford\|<b>tghe</b>retford]] <small>([[User talk:Tghe-retford\|talk]])</small> 22:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC) {{sourcecheck\|checked=false\|needhelp=}} ~~==NPOV==~~ * Paragraph 'Rebranding' is not neutral - (unsigned) * Paragraph ‘Business Services’ is similarly not neutral [[User:Nevalicori\|Nevalicori]] 00:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot\|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot\|Report bug]])</span> 17:48, 17 September 2017 (UTC) ~~== Why? ==~~ == Plain text password == ~~OK, Why was the mega paragraph i wrote deleted?~~ Should we include a section about this? https://reclaimthenet.org/virgin-media-passwords-plain-text/ --[[User:Tyw7\|<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i>]] ([[User talk:Tyw7\|🗣️ Talk]]) — If (reply) then ([[Wikipedia:Notifications#Alerts\|ping me]]) 16:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC) i scanned the pictures/took them specially, and i am not very happy. I Demand an explanation. <b><font color="red">[[User :ACBest\|AC]]</font><font color="gold">[[User talk:ACBest/Main\|Best]]</font><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/ACBest\|My Contributions]]</font></b> 16:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :First off take a trip to [[WP:CIVIL]], stamping your feet and demanding answers isn't the done thing. Secondly, I don't know why it was removed. I didn't remove it. My opinion of it was that it was a bit messy but could have been tidied up without too much hassle and was mostly worth keeping. The quotes and the sniping between them is worth mentioning so that people get a flavour their attitude to one another. - [[User:X201\|X201]] 16:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ::Heh heh heh! sorry! But can i put it back? <b><font color="red">[[User :ACBest\|AC]]</font><font color="gold">[[User talk:ACBest/Main\|Best]]</font><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/ACBest\|My Contributions]]</font></b> 16:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :::You can add anything you want to Wikipedia, as long as there's a valid reason for adding it and as long as it has citations (if needed) and conforms to things like [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:MOS]]. It was [[User:AnemoneProjectors\|AnemoneProjectors]] who reverted your edits so perhaps a polite (remember [[WP:CIVIL]] ;-) ) request as to why he/she removed them might be worth while. - [[User:X201\|X201]] 20:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ::::I'm putting my paragraph back on, and i will get in touch with the user i think. Thanks for your help! <b><font color="red">[[User :ACBest\|AC]]</font><font color="gold">[[User talk:ACBest/Main\|Best]]</font><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/ACBest\|My Contributions]]</font></b> 06:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC) == Not the only cable provider in the UK ? == ~~== Sky basic channels ==~~ The article states "Since the acquisition of Smallworld Cable in 2014, Virgin Media is the sole national cable company in Great Britain", but Wightfibre still exist on the Isle of Wight who offer cable connectivity (i.e. cable TV, DOCSIS Internet connectivity) and aren't a part of Virgin Media. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.22.202.73\|82.22.202.73]] ([[User talk:82.22.202.73#top\|talk]]) 15:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> I still have [[BBC News 24]], [[CNBC]] Europe, [[TV5]], [[Euronews]] and [[BBC Parliament]]. But I have lost [[Bloomberg Television]], [[CNN International]], and of course, [[Sky News]]. Were they part of Sky Basic and shouldn't they be listed as channels that have gone? --[[User:81.105.251.160\|81.105.251.160]] 16:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC) :Nope, I still have them. I'd suggest ringing Virgin Media on 0845 454 0000 <b><font color="red">[[User :ACBest\|AC]]</font><font color="gold">[[User talk:ACBest/Main\|Best]]</font><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/ACBest\|My Contributions]]</font></b> 17:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ::No they shouldnt have gone or be removed. Sky basic channels refers to "basic level" channels owned by [[BSkyB]], as opposed to channels that are included in [[Sky Digital]] "basic" packs. With the exception of Sky News, the channels you list above are not owned by BSkyB, they are just channels that happen to be carried on Sky Digital among numerous platforms. [[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 17:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC) ~~==NPOV (Again)==~~ == Proposed merge of [[Virgin Media Pioneers]] into [[Virgin Media]] == Look at the Virgin vs Sky section... seems to highlight Virgin as beign the only pty aty fauly..."Virgin WOULD not come to an agreement"...just me? Plz comment. -- addressed [[User:Toon05\|Toon]] 23:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC) {{Discussion top\|result=The result of this discussion was '''merge'''. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud\|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud\|talk]]) 18:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)}} Not notable on own merits [[User:Rogermx\|Rogermx]] ([[User talk:Rogermx\|talk]]) 20:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC) ~~== Why does this page not come from Telewest? ==~~ '''Merge''' - Agreed, not notable. <span style="font-family: bookman old style">[[User:Seth Whales\|<span style="color:#00008B">'''Seth'''</span><span style="color:red">'''Whales'''</span>]][[User_talk:Seth Whales\|<span style="color:#009000"><sup>''''' talk'''''</sup></span>]]</span> 06:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC) '''Merge''' Brief section in VM article is enough. [[User:Remagoxer\|<span style="color: #29c4a8;">'''Rema'''</span><span style="color: #c91f0c;">'''goxer'''</span>]] [[User talk:Remagoxer\|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC) '''Merge''' for above reasons. [[User:Cagliost\|cagliost]] ([[User talk:Cagliost\|talk]]) 10:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC) '''Merge' - Can use its own section rather than an entire article. [[User:Alexceltare2\|Alexceltare2]] ([[User talk:Alexceltare2\|talk]]) 15:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC) {{Discussion bottom}} == Ownership structure == ~~shouldn't this page redirect from Telewest, NTL, Virgin mobile, Virgin.net?~~ Based on the UK company register [https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/]: ~~[[User:Jodie kennedy\|Jodie kennedy]] 22:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)~~ ~~: See the ongoing discussions in ‘Redirects to this page’, above. [[User:Nevalicori\|Nevalicori]] 01:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)~~ : Virgin Media Limited (renamed from NTL Group Limited in 1991) – a company that is still operating – is majority-owned by Virgin Media Operations Limited, ~~==Sky Sports==~~ : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by General Cable Limited (and minority owned by Virgin Media Senior Investments Limited), : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by Virgin Media Senior Investments Limited, : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by Virgin Media Investments Limited, : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by Virgin Media Investment Holdings Limited, : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by Virgin Media Finance plc, : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by Virgin Media Communications Limited, : ↘ which in turn is majority-owned by VMED O2 UK Limited. This is to help get the ownership structure right in the lead section and in the infobox. — [[User:Kashmiri\|<span style="color:#30c;font:italic bold 1em 'Candara';text-shadow:#aaf 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">kashmīrī</span>]] [[User talk:Kashmiri\|<sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK</sup>]] 12:55, 4 June 2021 (UTC) ~~Is there a reason (eg ofcom decision) why Sky haven't threatened to stop Virgin from selling Sky Sports as part of the recent dispute? If there is, it would be worth mentioning that in the article.~~ : For clarity's sake, ''Virgin Media O2'' is not a company, nor anyone's trading name, but a [[brand]] used by some of the companies owned (directly or indirectly) by VMED O2 UK Limited. The brand as it appears now will be used for mobile telephony, consumer broadband services and business broadband services offered by a range of entities from the VMED group. — [[User:Kashmiri\|<span style="color:#30c;font:italic bold 1em 'Candara';text-shadow:#aaf 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">kashmīrī</span>]] [[User talk:Kashmiri\|<sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK</sup>]] 13:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC) ~~:I presume the sport contract is separate and wasn't up for renewal at the same time. - [[User:X201\|X201]] 08:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)~~ ::Virgin Media O2 is a company as per their own [https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Virgin-Media-O2-Q1-2023-Earnings-Release.pdf filing]. ::Correct. Sky Sports (and Sky Movies), though not currently, AIUI, the HD versions, are on what is called the ''Rate Card'', which is a list of channels maintained by OFCOM. If something is on the Rate Card, then any platform that is willing to pay the asking price, which is regulated, must be given the channels. Sky One was on the Rate Card for a time (which is how it turned up on ITV Digital), but was removed either last year or the year before (I don't know the details). Some have speculated that it might be put back on, especially if the rumoured move to put some Premier League football on it on Saturday afternoons turns out to be true. [[User:JonoP\|JonoP]] 10:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC) ::Formed on 1 June 2021, Virgin Media O2 is a 50:50 joint venture between Liberty Global plc (Liberty Global) and Telefónica, SA (Telefónica). The information provided in this release includes the financial information of VMED O2 UK Limited, a holding company that is not included as a restricted subsidiary for purposes of the facilities agreement and bond indentures governing Virgin Media O2. Disclosures may differ from reporting required under debt covenant arrangements. This release includes the actual IFRS results for Virgin Media O2 for the three months ended 31 March 2023 and the comparative prior year first quarter period. [[User:TagKnife\|TagKnife]] ([[User talk:TagKnife\|talk]]) 23:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC) == ~~Bankruptcy~~Virgin Media Finacials == It looks like the finacials of Virgin Media hasnt been updated since 2012. Since Virgin media is a publically traded company these release to the public every quarter and could do with updating. I'm confused about the section on NTL bankruptcy. The section states that bankruptcy was filed in the United States. However, the article doesn't mention anywhere that NTL is a US company (and AFAIK it never was). How can this be? There don't seem to be any cited sources for this passage. ~~[[User:Aldoliel\|Aldoliel]] 21:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)~~ ~~== History of Virgin Media seperation... ==~~ The latest release is 2023 Q3 https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/2023-financial-results/q3/ Should The History of Virgin Media (Aka The NTL era and the Telewest Era) be seperated into its own article. eg [[Virgin Media Inc/History]] becuase currently the History section is way to big for just one segment of the whole. --[[User:Dee4leeds\|Dee4leeds]] 16:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC) :The NTL stuff should have it's own article just like [[Telewest]]. Just because companies merge or change name doesn't mean that all evidence of them should be eradicated from Wikipedia. Recreate [[NTL]] they were a major company and deserve their own article. - [[User:X201\|X201]] 18:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC) ~~::That also works. More opinions please. --[[User:Dee4leeds\|Dee4leeds]] 13:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)~~ ~~Telewest article contents are all covered in the Virgin Media article. Telewest does not exist anymore and is not of historical importance. Both Ntl and Telewest articles should redirect.~~ ~~{{unsigned\|Fgfgbgbg\|[[2007-04-28]]}}~~ :::I would prefer [[History of Virgin Media]]. The fine details of the merger are actually quite complicated. Its also part the reason why I believe there should be one Virgin Media article, with child articles for longer sections. :::AFAICT, in actual fact, Telewest took over NTL and re-named itself NTL (AFAICT NTL:Telewest was just a trading name). If we want to be properly correct that means there should be at least 4 articles. Telewest (pre 2006), NTL (pre 2006), NTL (2006-07) [aka the company previously known as Telewest] and Virgin Media. Each of these has its own history. Of course then we remember NTL (2006-07) does actually still exist, just its called Virgin Media now. This raises a few questions: ~~:::#Given the rebrand was very much a rolling programme. Eg. product lines were harmonised and rebranded ahead of the re-name, where is the rebrand line drawn?~~ ~~:::#What sort of precendent does this set. If Virgin Media renames itself "Virgin Cable" do we start a whole new article?~~ ~~:::#Do we have an article for each of the sub companies before takeover? By this rule NTL itself didnt actually exist before 1998?~~ ~~:::[[User:Pit-yacker\|Pit-yacker]] 20:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)~~ ~~::::Any other ideas?~~ ~~:::::NTL should have it's own article, the history is way too long. We could have a link to the full article followed by a summary of what NTL was/is~~ [[User:TagKnife\|TagKnife]] ([[User talk:TagKnife\|talk]]) 00:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC) ~~==Fair use rationale for Image:NTL logo.png==~~ ~~[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg\|70px\|left]]~~ '''[[:Image:NTL logo.png]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use\|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline\|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use\|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU\|fair use]]. :Also noticed most of the details in the info box is outdated and can do with updating. [[User:TagKnife\|TagKnife]] ([[User talk:TagKnife\|talk]]) 00:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Please go to [[:Image:NTL logo.png\|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline \|fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia\|criteria for speedy deletion]]. 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