Talk:Virgin Media

Paragraph 'Rebranding' is not neutral - discuss

Speculation

This article seems to contain a lot of things that appear to be speculation on the part of the author. AFAICT this not what Wikipedia is:

• " It is likely Virgin Media shops could be set up in major cities to promote its services, on a stand alone basis."
• "The ultimate holding company of Virgin Media Plc is likely to be Virgin Media, Inc."
• "However, if in the future it is felt that it would be inappropriate, the division could be re-branded something like Virgin Content, whilst a channel like Living TV could be re-branded as Virgin Living."

Pit-yacker 16:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Clean Up

This article is currently a bit of a mess and needs a cleanup. Although I have tried to restructure it a bit, as I said above there is a lot of Crystal Ball gazing. There are also acres of unsourced statements. IMHO this article, NTL, and Telewest (possibly Virgin.net as well: AFAICT it is rebranding to Virgin Media) should all be merged, probably with NTL forming the back-bone of the new article amended for changes in the structure. Pit-yacker 02:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

--81.170.119.238 11:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC) I definitely think this should happen once Virgin Media is officially launched (rumoured to be either 8th or 14th Feb).

It appears someone has changed the dates of the merger on all articles with out providing any source.

Just to add, it appears that Virgin.net IS changing its name to Virgin Media. I dont know where this leaves the claim that Virgin.net is one of the 6 divisions of the new company. As far as I can tell its products are being merged into the rest of the group. Also what happens to NTL:Telewest business???? Pit-yacker 17:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Posted by Alex on 4th of Febaury 2007

I think that the section Ntl:Telwest should be scrapped since virgin media is the new name of all the companies put together and more foucsing on this (Virgin Media)

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Firstly Virgin Media Sections are to be created in a lot of Virgin Mobile stores, which cannot be rebranded at this time.

Virgin.net will remain as an ADSL broadband service, as opposed to cable broadband.

Virign Media officialy launches on Feb 8th 2007 which has been labeled V Day.

As for a source - I am currently employed by ntl:telewest (Soon to be Virgin Media). The above information has been posted on the company intranet. 82.40.202.187 17:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your reply. I have to admit I'm quite confused to what is happening, it appears NTL seem to be throwing in suprises for the media and public to keep us on our toes. As a customer of NTL, the details I have received suggest the Virgin.net will be re-branded "Virgin Media" at the same time. Virgin's promotional website (know1st.co.uk) also appears to indicate Virgin.net will be integrated into the rest of the business. If this is the case where do the 6 divisions come from? At the same time I note there is no mention of "NTL:Telewest Business", is this the 6th unit or is this also being integated into the rest of the business?

I think we need to keep things from the NTL and Telewest articles such as the history, it sets a context about the company, and thats what Wikipedia is about more than being an advert for Virgin IMHO. However, I guess a lot of the stuff regarding services will probably be irrelevant now.

I have seen that Digital Spy is now reporting the new launch date which should do as a source for that.

Pit-yacker 22:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Virgin Mobile

Since Virgin Mobile has international operations, IMHO this should remain a separate article, unless they are also rebranding as Virgin Media Pit-yacker 02:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Inc or Plc?

Virgin Media Inc. is the correct name for this company. No company names Virgin Media plc exists. See http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?selected=VMED&symbol=VMED Stuartfanning

What are you trying to say? - X201 16:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've merged the histories of these articles because the content was the same, but I'm not sure what title they belong under myself. Cool Hand Luke 16:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no Virgin Media plc registered with Companies House. Can I suggest Virgin Media Plc page be deleted from Wikipedia? Marcgr 23:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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Virgin Media Inc is a company registered in New York, NY

Virgin Media Inc is made up of 4 main trading companies: Virgin Media Limited is the company that registerd in London, UK providing services to consumers. ntl Business Limited is the company that is registered in London, UK providing businesses. Virgin Mobile Telecoms Limited is the company that is registered in London, UK providng mobile phone services to consumers.

The structure is a follows:

3 Divisions: A. Consumer B. Business C. Television Content

A. The consumer division has 4 product offerings

TV Broadband Phone Mobile

B. The business divison is knows as ntl:Telewest Business

C. Telelvision content is Virgin Media Television

Marcgr 21:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Proxy servers

Ongal 18:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)As much as I hate the proxy servers - I don't think that this problem is actually related:

These transparent proxy servers also override the user's hosts file and prevent manual DNS updates.

I could list many problems that are caused by proxies, but this isn't one of them to the best of my knowledge. Any objections if I remove this line?

Redirects to this page

The following all now redirect here NTL, Telewest, Virgin.net. They are all historic names in British business history and deserve articles of their own. I vote this page should have a short description of each as antecedents to Virgin Media Inc with a link to the main page describing each business in more detail. Lumos3 23:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. - X201 12:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It's quite rediculous that people always jump on merging and redirecting articles just because companies have merged or rebranded. NTL and Telewest have been major brands in the UK for decades, and the wealth of information that is relevent to an encyclopedia like this but not specific to Virgin Media is huge. Timb0h 15:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Question is, where do you draw the line? How do you break the articles in two? (Given that IMHO duplication on Wikipeida is a very bad thing (it very quickly leads to inconsistencies - if it isnt already the first law of Wikipedia should be avoid duplication at all costs)). Fact is Virgin Media *IS* NTL Inc - just with a different name. AFAICT, there hasnt even been a pretence on VM's part that it is a different company. Pit-yacker 15:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

(Moved by Pit-yacker as it is substantially the same topic of debate): Now that the Telewest article redirects here, where's amm the Telewest data gone; its history, trade and information specific to what Telewest was that no longer exists in the Vermin oriented article? I'll reopen the Telewest article to feature the company history with clear mention that the company's now trading under a different name with bright red labels. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

For the main part see my reply above as to why I think one article is a better idea. As for where the data is? Things such the history where copied and pasted to this article. A few things that I felt werent really notable were deleted. For example, are advertising campaigns really notable? Equally a lot of the services actually refer to the service that was provided just before the merger, and bare more similarities to the services provided by VM today rather than the Telewest of old.Pit-yacker 17:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Other than, I'm clearly against the mass redirecting to Vermin Media, there is a clear loss of information when redirects are implemented following company mergers. The information present on Telewest is a testimony of what the company was and is set in stone. The VM article will evolve as the branded services do, the Telewest will not. It is unencyclopedic to remove information on the grounds a company no longer exist when the company in quest is notable and possesses a substantial history. I agree with the changes you have implemented since the reopening of Telewest and it is important that such information hidden in history logs be present and not ommited in the VM article where they would be out of date and rather off topic, there place rightfully being in Telewest. I see that messages above tend to agree in a less aggressive manner to mine to the fact that articles are too easily merged and forgotten. Wikipedia would be very empty with no History related articles: sorry WWII was 50 years ago, it's been merged with Iraqi war II. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

History section reorg

I have reorganised the History section, such that it is now in chronological order and correctly groups all of the NTL history together. I have added no additional information. JonoP 16:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Media Inc → Virgin Media Categories for Discussion nomination - implications for article title

Someone nominated Category:Virgin Media Inc for CfD, stating that Inc is not used in titles. If that title is renamed, then it has implications for the title of this article.

Discussion of the CfD is here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion#Category:Virgin Media Inc --tgheretford (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)