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Help for An Innocent Kiss

If available, could editors possibly try to find refs for An Innocent Kiss, and comment on notability (IMHO it's borderline, contested notability tag, though I feel uncomfortable about AfDing it)? Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 08:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

One place I tend to check is "External reviews" on its IMDb page to see if a film has gotten reviews in general, whether with reliable sources or blogs. Here, there is only one, which isn't great news. However, it does look like, searching for "innocent kiss"|"elbow grease" burt reynolds shows that there are some local-scope sources about the film's making and release, like this, this (AP source, which is repeated in a few other sources), this. this, this. It's probably sufficient, just wish there was more of a response to the film. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Slave Ship (film)

If anyone could try to find refs for The Slave Ship (film) and comment on whether it is notable that would be great! VickKiang (talk) 09:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Possible inaccurate plot summary at The Last Color

Could someone familiar with the film The Last Color please take a look at the Plot section? I was doing some gnomish terminology clean-up and came across this article. The content of the plot section was expanded over several edits back in April/May 2021, however the way that it's written leads me to suspect that this summary may not be accurate. Unfortunately I don't know enough about the film to determine if the summary is accurate or not, nor to be able to fix it if it is not accurate. Thanks. Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Check what reliable sources say. Some journalists seem to be paid per word and will include very detailed plot summaries in their reviews. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

International Online Cinema Awards

Does International Online Cinema Awards appear to be notable? There is no Wikipedia article, but there is no history of an article being created. This shows this award being mentioned in 118 articles. I wanted to get other opinions before removing these, due to a lack of any prior notability testing. While we have MOS:FILMACCOLADES, most of them are actors' articles, and WP:ACTOR does not have any MOS with similar guidance. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I have just clicked on a handful of articles and they were either unsourced or sourced to IMDB. Not a good sign! Betty Logan (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Betty. Any other editors concur? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

If they can't be sourced, and/or there's barely any coverage, outside of an IMDb listing, then boot em. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Infobox images

This refers to the current discussion which is open on the talk page for Bette Davis Talk:Bette Davis. In summary, User:Dancingtudorqueen invited comments on which of four photos of Ms Davis should be used in the infobox for the Bette Davis article. I voted for a ‘mature’ image from the 1940s aged around 35-40, which I thought the most representative of her career. Since no one else commented, User:Dancingtudorqueen made that change. Subsequently, User:Shshshsh changed the image again to a younger photo of Ms Davis in 1935 aged 27, arguing it is more ‘flattering’ and shows her in her ‘prime’. He correctly points out that the later photo which I favour is not accurately dated, but only described as ‘1940s’.

I think this requires a wider discussion about infobox images for film actors with long careers. Ms Davis’s film career lasted between her ages 22 to 80. She was most famed for her acting, star quality and personality rather than her looks. I don’t know how to assess when she was in her ‘prime’ – if it's any measure, her Oscar awards are fairly evenly spread from 1934 to 1962.

I think an infobox image should give a fair and balanced representation of an actor’s whole career, rather than a youthful or flattering image. The rest of the article can include images showing an actor chronologically or illustrating specific points.

What do others think? Masato.harada (talk) 14:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we've had a discussion here about images in the person infobox. It seems like this may be better asked at WT:ACTOR, WT:BIOGRAPHY, or WT:MOSBIO. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

The purpose of the infobox image is to identify the subject, and both photos are acceptable in that regard, so beyond that it comes down to personal preference. If the article has a regular set of caretaker editors I am happy to defer to their judgment on these issues, but beyond that I think a WP:RETAIN style approach is best for images. As far as I can tell there isn't really a policy or MOS issue to determine here. Betty Logan (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Borat at FAR

I have nominated Borat for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Wretchskull (talk) 18:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Help! Mixed or negative reviews at Black Adam (film)??

I'm very confused at what's going on at Black Adam. I managed to find two reliable sources (approved by WP:RSP) that verify negative reviews for the article, not mixed reviews.[1][2]. I changed "mixed reviews" to "negative reviews" in the lead and critical response section to reflect the sources but everyone keeps switching it back to mixed stating that the 55% score on Rotten Tomatoes is enough to warrant calling the reviews mixed. But isn't that WP:SYN? Saying the reviews are mixed when the sources does not say that is WP:SYN, is it not? Also MOS:FILM states "The overall critical reception to a film should be supported by attributions to reliable sources that summarize reviews" and "If any form of paraphrasing is disputed, quote the source directly". Or am I missing something? Is there a new guideline stating to determine positive/negative/mixed reviews from RT's score? Am I in the right or the wrong here? I'm confused. Armegon (talk) 01:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Armegon: Thanks for starting this interesting discussion! However, Metacritic also clearly states Mixed or average reviews as per here. Note that a) it's RS per WP:RSP, b) it's endorsed by MOS:FILM, Review aggregation websites such as Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic are citable for data pertaining to the ratio of positive to negative reviews. Therefore, it should be considered as a reliable source for indicating that the film received mixed reviews. With one ref suggesting mixed reception and another two suggesting negative reception, IMHO we need an in-depth discussion on the talk page instead of reverting between mixed and negative IMHO. Still, I disagree that the "mixed" violates WP:SYN as it's supported by at least one source. VickKiang (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I think I may have found a compromise.[3] Armegon (talk) 01:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I started a discussion at Talk:Black Adam (film)#Critical reception. Maybe it's me, but it seems like articles of recent films have gotten worse in editors thinking more than before that they can synthesize individual reviews into summaries. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 03:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Greatly appreciate this! I think the situation would prove beneficial if FilmProject experts chimed in on this 'cause I'm a bit confused. One side favors citing secondary sources, others favor WP:SYN. Armegon (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Top Gun: Maverick - propaganda criticism

What's the appropriate way to cover the criticism by some sources that Top Gun: Maverick is American military propaganda? Discussion on the article talk page. --KnightMove (talk) 20:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Saturday's Children#Requested move 15 October 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Saturday's Children#Requested move 15 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Dinosaurs! – A Fun-Filled Trip Back in Time!#Requested move 22 October 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dinosaurs! – A Fun-Filled Trip Back in Time!#Requested move 22 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Romeo and Juliet

Template:Romeo and Juliet has been nominated for merging with Template:Romeo and Juliet film adaptations. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tick, Tick, Tick (film)#Requested move 15 October 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tick, Tick, Tick (film)#Requested move 15 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 22:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Nationally known critics

At Wikipedia:Notability (films), the "Other evidence of notability" section has this element, "The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics." There is a discussion about the meaning of nationally known critics that can be found here: Wikipedia talk:Notability (films) § "Nationally-known critic" as it relates to films of India. Editor are invited to comment. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Fantasy comedy films

There's a major consistency problem at Category:Fantasy comedy films, which needs some kind of resolution. The issue is that some of its subcategories are named "fantasy comedy" without a hyphen, while others are named "fantasy-comedy" with a hyphen -- with the result that redlinked categories often pop up at Special:WantedCategories because articles have been categorized in the hyphenated version for countries where the category isn't hyphenated or in the unhyphenated version for countries where the real category is hyphenated. And even worse, that doesn't only result from editors adding the wrong form to a new article off the top, but sometimes even results from editors flipping a category that was already on a page from the existing form to the non-existing one.

And for the cherry on top, there have been multiple attempts, in both directions, to resolve this at WP:CFR by listing one set or the other for renaming to the other form for consistency, which always fail no matter which direction is proposed. If the unhyphenated set is listed for renaming to the hyphenated form, then the nomination fails on the grounds that the parent is unhyphenated -- but if the hyphenated set is listed for renaming to the unhyphenated form, then the nomination founders on the argument that the parent is named wrongly and should have the hyphen added to it.

Obviously, however, this has to be resolved one way or the other, with a consensus to settle on one form or the other and apply it across the board to the outliers, so some discussion is needed to determine which form should be used. Bearcat (talk) 15:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead paragraphs omit film's plot summary

Many films' lead paragraphs don't say what the movie is about. The film style guide specifies that it should. When viewing the page for a specific film, I think I'm far from the only one who wants to refresh my memory with a quick sentence or half sentence. Also, I don't know whether we consider that web searches for titles sometimes display the first paragraph in the found results, and it would be nice to have that info there. For examples of some that do and some that don't, check out the films in List of Tony Award- and Olivier Award-winning plays.

Is there already a task about this? (If so, I might be interested in helping with that specifically. Sadly I don't have much time for Wikipedia these days.) Elf | Talk 19:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)