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Neutral sources
editI think that we should provide less partisan sources than articles relying on Ukrainian official sources. :-) Mach1988 (talk) 18:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- I can't read Russian, but if you can find Russian sources, that aren't blacklisted or Deprecated on WP:RSP, then feel free to add them. Scu ba (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Storm-Z units are not "penal units" at least not all of them. They are designed as assault light infantry. True part of them has been reduced to the role of penal companies but it heavily depends on regiment commander. Good Ukrainian source, but based on Russian sources:
- https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1643832673872363520 2A02:A319:C138:3A00:C106:A5FA:2C5F:69C6 (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- Twitter is not an acceptable source. Scu ba (talk) 16:34, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Various sources all confirm that Storm Z is basically for penal units, its a mixture of convicts as well as Russian soldiers being punished for using drugs and alcohol too much. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 20:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change the sentence suggesting storm z units are so inadequately supplied they lack shoes. The Yahoo News article shows a picture of men clearly behind their lines in a mustering area, not engaged in combat operations and as such reveals little about the quality of supplies of these units. I suggest the article be removed as a source as well. It’s a propaganda piece with no more substantive use than RT news. 2600:100C:B2AB:24FA:7597:B8AB:5FE4:ED16 (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Done. I removed the dubious source, replaced with following text supported by two new RS:
Storm-Z fighters have said that their units suffer from incompetent leadership, lack of supplies, and faulty equipment. Three Storm-Z POWs told CNN of routinely malfunctioning artillery, inaccurate rocket barrages, and commanders under the influence of painkillers giving "nonsensical orders". They also said that obtaining food and water required hiking 5 km (3 mi) through a minefield.[1][2]
- ^ Gak, Sarah (2023-07-06). "Captured Russian soldiers tell of low morale, disarray and horrors of trench warfare". CNN. Retrieved 2023-07-13.
- ^ Brugen, Isabel van (2023-07-05). "Russian convict fighters share complaints on video: "We're not meat"". Newsweek. Retrieved 2023-07-13.
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Please remove this flag per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG (and make sure to prevent overlinking to "Russia" article). 2001:4451:824F:B700:541B:9433:F4CB:52ED (talk) 15:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Done. Removed flag from infobox and one redundant link to the Russia article. Xan747 (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Date of Formation
editThe first sentence in the description does not refer to the year of discovery of these units
"The existence of the Storm-Z units was first uncovered on April 6, when Ukrainian forces captured documents detailing their penal recruitment and formations."
I am guessing it is 2023 but this should be updated by someone with editorial permissions for this article. Franzcosmo (talk) 10:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- I've yet to see any a proposed date of creation, if you can find one please share and I'll add it to the article. Scu ba (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Reports of “Storm-V” units
editWhat’s the difference, if any? Has anyone found more sources? All I can find are oblique references. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 05:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Putin disbanded Storm Z and replaced it with Storm V, despite the name change they largely function the same, and the only real difference is the promises the convicts get for their services, where with Storm Z they where promised a salary and a pardon, Storm V units are only promised a salary. Scu ba (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Putin Quotation
editFrom what I can see neither of the sources linked have Putin referring to these units as "meat". Do we have a source which actually has Putin saying this and if so can we add it? The only sources I can find calling them "meat" seems to be based on a quotation from an unnamed regular soldier, not Putin. Rule0042 (talk) 12:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)