Bhashashastri1234
Joined 12 August 2021
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Kutchkutch in topic Marathi ċ, j̈, j̈h
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Marathi ċ, j̈, j̈h
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it was discussed that the nuqta could be used in headwords to represent the ċ, j̈ , j̈h sounds. However, you removed the nuqta from the headword at आजारी (diff) and manually added the transliteration with j̈. Do you disagree with using च़, ज़, झ़ in headwords? Kutchkutch (talk) 19:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, because standard Marathi doesn't use Nuqtas unlike Hindi. Bhashashastri1234 (talk) 06:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- The headword is the bolded word above the definition and under the part of speech. The page title is the word at the top of the page and in the URL. When the
|head=parameter is used, only the headword changes, and the page title remains the same. For example,{{mr-adj|head=आज़ारी}}displays आज़ारी • (āj̈ārī) without changing the page title, which remains as आजारी. This differs from Hindi in that, when a Hindi headword has a nuqta, so does the page title. For example, the nuqta in the Hindi entry for आज़ार appears in the headword, the page title and the URL. Among South Asian languages written in the Perso-Arabic script, Urdu, Shahmukhi Punjabi and Sindhi use the|head=parameter for vowel diacritics. More relevant to Marathi is the use of the Gujarati nuqta in the|head=parameter to represent the [ɽ] allophone of /ɖ/ as ડ઼, which was discussed at
- The headword is the bolded word above the definition and under the part of speech. The page title is the word at the top of the page and in the URL. When the
- As per Benwing2 at
- the
|head=parameter is used for extra marks that ... contain useful pronunciation information, but which aren't normally found in the spelling of the language as naturally used by native speakers. In general this sort of mapping happens for things like- macrons (e.g. in Latin and Old English)
- stress marks (in Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian)
- vowel diacritics (in Hebrew and Arabic)
- tone marks (in Serbo-Croatian and Slovenian), etc.
- the
- Although Marathi does not use the nuqta diacritic in ordinary writing, it may helpful to emphasise in which cases च, ज, झ are pronounced differently using the nuqta diacritic in Devanagari since the distinction between the two pronunciations is not entirely predictable.
{{R:gu:Gujaratilexicon}}'s Marathi-Gujarati dictionary uses the nuqta diacritic. For example, the entry for चाक is shown with the nuqta at - At
- it says
- at least two Marathi authors have proposed the usage of the nukta symbol to denote the different pronunciations of च, ज, झ. One was by Ramchandra Bhikaji Gunjikar in late 19th century and the other by Vinoba Bhave in 20th century.
- Also, since manual transliteration that adds ċ, j̈, j̈h requires more effort from the editor, this could possibly be more error-prone compared to automatic transliteration using च़, ज़ and झ़. See
- (@Pulimaiyi) Kutchkutch (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Although Marathi does not use the nuqta diacritic in ordinary writing, it may helpful to emphasise in which cases च, ज, झ are pronounced differently using the nuqta diacritic in Devanagari since the distinction between the two pronunciations is not entirely predictable.