Talk:Andrew Tate

Andrew Tate's comments regarding ISIS

Tate has appeared in a TikTok video in which he claimed "ISIS are the real Muslims because ISIS do exactly what the book says". These comments resurfaced in late November 2022, shortly after it was reported that Tate had converted to Islam. At the time of writing the article includes the following text:

"In October 2022, Tate announced on his Gettr account that he had converted to Islam. A video of Tate praying at a mosque in Dubai, UAE, went viral."

I would like to propose revising the article as follow:

"On 24 October 2022, Tate announced on his Gettr account that he had converted to Islam. A video of Tate praying at a mosque in Dubai, UAE, went viral.

On 25 October 2022 Bariqah News Agency, a pro-Islamic State (ISIS) media outlet, shared a video in which Tate earlier claimed that "ISIS are the real Muslims".

Sources:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-do-so-many-western-muslim-men-love-andrew-tate

https://www.firstpost.com/world/the-vicar-of-baghdad-influencer-andrew-tate-in-shocking-claim-says-isis-are-the-real-muslims-11578571.html

https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chapati/video/7127981800198130950?is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7127981800198130950 [This may not be eligible as this is a primary source]

Several previous topics have concerned Tate's religious views. In light of Tate's recent conversion to Islam, which has been widely covered online, I also wonder if it would be worth revisiting some of these earlier topics, which a view to developing a new section regarding Tate's "Religious views". If this would be of interest to other editors, I'd be happy to draft something for consideration.

Jono1011 (talk) 11:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

I've since been made aware that:

1. Tate's comments were made in 2018, when he explicitly proclaimed he was an atheist, and criticized both Christians and Muslims as being either "an absolute hypocrite [by] ignoring your own book, or [a] fanatic psychopath"; a far more mainstream sentiment than the edit I suggested above suggests. Thanks to DFlhb for pointing this out.

With this in mind, I think it would be good to develop a dedicated section to Tate's comments on religious issues. What do other people think? Jono1011 (talk) 11:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry; I posted the discussion below without seeing you'd already started one; I'll just leave it there so the transcript is easily accessible. Will let others chime in on whether to have a religion section or not, but sourcing might be an issue. DFlhb (talk) 11:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

ISIS

This discussion is about this edit (and this previous edit)

After the edit from two days ago, I searched for the original source. Here it is; it's from 2018, and here's a partial transcript:

I'm an atheist. [...] Religious people are the biggest hypocrits on the fucking planet because religious people don't read their own religious books. Every Christian I've argued with, I start busting out quotes from the Bible, and they go: "That's not in the Bible" Yeah it is. [...] You cannot be a Christian and ignore your own book. You either have two choices: you're either an absolute hypocrite, by either pretending you're a Christian and ignoring your own book, or you're a feral psychopath. There is no other way to be religious. It makes me laugh when ISIS was around, people say: "ISIS aren't real Muslims". No, ISIS are the real Muslims, because ISIS do exactly what the book says, which is kill everyone who's not a Muslim and chop people's heads off and set them on fire, and be fucking raging lunatics. But all the other Muslims go "They're not real Muslims, because I'm a Muslim because I read the book and ignore those parts". Well then you're not a fucking Muslim because you're ignoring the fucking book. [...] Christians are exactly the same. Every Christian, I say: "When you walk into a store on a Sunday, and someone is working on God's day, they should be put to death. Do you murder them?" "Well, no." [...] If not you're not a fucking Christian are you, you moron. [...] So religious people are hypocrites, or psychopaths. That's the only two choices. There is no other option.

This is basically "spicy Richard Dawkins". (BTW, according to MEMRI, that Telegram post by the ISIS propagandists got... 6 views.) I don't think it's due or would be considered encyclopedically relevant, and if we include it, we risk significantly misrepresenting it as a recent claim, or as an endorsement of ISIS (rather than a criticism of religion) which would benefit ISIS more than it would benefit Wikipedia. DFlhb (talk) 11:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Besides, he was recently (Dec. 20) interviewed by Piers Morgan and said during the show that he regretted his ISIS comments, and that they were made because he didn't understand religion, in his words. So it would be redundant now to include these comments only to say that he no longer believes them, unless the comments become the source of significant backlash covered in reliable sources. Askarion ✉ 14:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 December 2022

I'd like to change a couple of things in the text that I consider to be biased and not true. Hansmikkelsen1234 (talk) 22:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Tate is British, opening of lead should reflect this

Tate is a British citizen via his mother and considers himself British.[1] We can note later that he also has US citizenship. 2A00:23C8:504:2501:3D4F:9ECA:B7E0:9118 (talk) 17:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Tate was born in the United States and "grew up" in the United States, and fought for the United States for most of his kickboxing career. To an extent, he also considers himself American. It's my understanding that he doesn't live in Britain or the United States today, at least not permanently. But per his Piers Morgan interview that you linked, do other editors think it's within the bounds of Wikipedia policy (maybe WP:ABOUTSELF?) use a subject's preference in identifying themselves as British, American, or British-American? Askarion ✉ 14:45, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Controversies

For this article to be unbiased and true, there should also be a section for controversies surrounding Andrew Tate's career as an social media influencer MrBanana1234 (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

MrBanana1234 Wikipedia does not claim to be unbiased and true. Please see WP:TRUTH. Everyone has biases, sources are present to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves in determining what to think.

"Controversy" sections aren't prohibited, but have to be carefully done to maintain a neutral point of view. If you have independent reliable sources with information that is missing from this article, please offer your proposed additions here. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Typo

The second paragraph of the section labeled Social media presence says "onlinr" Elderlystrawberry (talk) 13:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 14:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Andrew Tate is a Real man. LET HIM SPEAK AND DONT SUPPRESS MEN VOICE.

Freedom of speech. 2603:6010:BE00:31AB:51C:5527:7B0F:77F9 (talk) 04:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)