Talk:Xbox 360

Spring Update Released today?

The software section of the article needs to be updated, because the update was released today, I think. I will post that info if it has. SniperWolf1564 16:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Reception category needed

Wii & PS3 have one, why not the 360 ? The 360 has received enough praise and criticism to be mentioned in the article.

--69.158.168.31 22:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually i kinda agree with you on that, but I'm personally too lazy to write one.--Nighthawkzx 08:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This keeps coming up, and the response is always the same: If you want to write it yourself, go right ahead. So long as it's arranged neutrally (as in, the quotes themselves would obviously be opinions, but you shouldn't scour for only positive or only negative reviews) properly-sourced, and uses reliable, verifiable, and notable sources. But the only reason there isn't currently such a section is that, at least as far as what I've seen is concerned, no legitimate attempt has been made to add one. Bladestorm 13:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Brazil price.

Why is the price for Brazil so far away from the rest. Using xe.com, I was given a number over 1 000€. That's more than double most other places. Why so high? Microsoft must have some justification, anyone know what it is? - ^Рэд_хот^{(t • c • e)} 19:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, first remeber Wikipedia is not a forum but as a brazilian I can fast answer this: tax and import tariff are very high and grab 80% of the product cost since the console is fully legally imported. The internal market also with heavily taxes push the final price to unbelievable U$1500. I will not enter and economy discussion but this is one of the major reasons that breaks brazilian economy and turn it very inneficient compared with China and India. But this is not the unique way to get 360 in Brazil: you can do this buying illegally imported consoles in auction sites - at this case illegal 360 will cost around U$700~800. For comparisson an illegal PS2 needs U$ 400 bucks to arrive at your house here. --Ciao 90 22:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

european sales

There's no european or UK sales figures in the article? Does anyone have the latest figures? I suck at the Google. 70.104.16.217 04:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

connecting your pc to your xbox360

pleas!!! help, i have done every thing to find out how to setup my pc with my xbox 360. ive called xbox custemer seport, nothuing. they cant tel me. all they say is ammm, ammmm, ammm. yes i know you need media connect or mediaplayer 11 or zune, but what then???? how does my pc see the xbox? can any one email or post an answer to me? pleas i reely want to get on xbox live. pleas e mail me at gerhbooy@aol.com gerhbooy 21:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, you don't plug the console into your computer, you simply plug it directly into your modem. The Xbox should have the software in place to walk you through the steps. I don't actually have an Xbox or a 360, but every console I know of has an ethernet port on the rear. Just plug the cable into it, and you should be good to go.J.delanoy 00:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well are you trying to share music, video, and picture files or are you trying to straight up connect the 360 to a computer or computer monitor. If your sharing files, either connect your 360 directly to your PC, or if your connected to the internet... get a HUB/Switch and connect both your PC and your 360 to that. As long as you have Zune and your music files are Media Player compatible then you should be able to go to your music tab on your 360 and access music through the computers option. it should then detect your computer and display any music you want to share. Similarly with pictures and video.

ok i have connected my pc to my 360, but when i go to the music tab on the 360, it does not pick up my pc and inernet is a bit hard, cause i have AOL DSL broadband and its usb, so cant make a direct connection.... help! 15:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC) gerhbooy

Try the following links

1 - http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/digitalmedia/pc.htm 2 - http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/connectionmethods/intro.htm

     (You can cycle thru the appropriate connections methods on the left menu)

3 - http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/connectionmethods/webconnectivitywizard.htm

The only problem that I had with my computer was establishing the proper firewall settings. For more information on firewall settings, follow the first link above and click on the appropriate link in the Technical Support box on the right hand side of the page.

unecessary statement

The sentence about the "Screen of Death" here makes no sense in the context of the paragraph. It is already mentioned here Should someone remove the first one??J.delanoy 00:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Elite!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/xbox-360-elite-new-black-limited-edition-xbox-with-hdmi-and-120gb-drive/

Check it out there. I tried to edit the Zephyr section to be more accurate. But I'm no good at large-editing like that, lol, and those little number referencing thingies. If someone can clean it up for me that would be great. Seriphyn 19:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

There's been no official statement by Microsoft yet Kdivad 19:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

*** It's finally official you fan boys ***, and now Wikipedia is out of date. You should have just updated it, here is the official press release from the website. [1] Pumapayam 04:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm in favor of just keeping the zephyr stuff if anything, as Kdivad said, there is no official confirmation. There is also dispute about whether the new CPU fab process is being included now or later. And I've heard of delays regarding the extra heat generated by the 120GB HD. Don't ask me to explain, I'm not certain myself Tomwchow 20:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah wait the official statement or announce by MS. --Ciao 90 21:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should remove it. It isn't official, it's from a crappy place, and it is screwing the page because the reference is too long. Wikifan21century 15:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter Moore was rather sacarstic about it in EGM. So i think we shouldn't put it on wiki.--Nighthawkzx 11:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Been OFFICIALLY announced by MS. Here: <http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/mar07/03-27Xbox360ElitePR.mspx> Can someone do a reference for this? Also NO 65nm chips!! Another link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/28/xbox-360-elite-now-official/Xplosneer 04:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

First of all, everyone take a breath. We are not Wikinews, we don't need to get this as fast as possible. Now, yes, Elite was confirmed. But the press release URL linked by Xplosneer is not working, and the Engadget link says it is a "limited" edition, a contradiction with GameSpot information that says it is not a limited edition. So, again, take a breath, and work in order. No calling names, no putting references that do not work, no breaking news. We are about facts, not speed. -- ReyBrujo 04:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Just for kicks both http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17821341/and http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/03/28/xbox360.hard.drive.ap/index.html are the same story covering a little bit. It doesnt state the duration of the offer but it does provide some good info.

If you go to xbox.com, it's officially listed there. 71.235.40.128 01:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Criticism SHOULD BE REMOVED

I must stress the fact that fanboys have been posting opinionated and biased info on the Wii and especially the PS3 criticism sections. To balance out this problem the XBOX 360 section requires a criticism section clear of opinions and biased information. We need facts... Wikipedia is not a console war forum. Please consider helping me find facts for criticism reguarding the XBOX 360. Also, do not add any biased information for Wii and PS3 please, enough with the fanboy discussions! --Imobius 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

See Xbox_360_technical_problems --Ciao 90 14:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

maybe a reactions section would be better which is divided into praise and critisisms Wikipedia really needs to be fair in its information 19:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

As of 04.25.2007, ONLY the XBox 360 article has a criticism section. I propose this be removed completely and integrated into the [xbox technical problems] page, or otherwise discarded as opinion. wageslave

I strongly oppose this idea, and not because I own a 360, either. Just because one or two pages about consoles have criticism sections, that doesn't mean it has to happen here. If you have a problem with with articles on Wii and PS3 having strong criticism sections, I suggest you spend your time trying to remove those sections, rather than trying to add a section here. You say you are trying to "balance Wikipedia" or some other nonsense and yet finding criticism to add just unbalances this article further. Go and remove the bias from other articles rather than trying to add bias to this one! Smomo 19:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Price of Elite in Canada

The Canadian price for the Elite SKU is $549.99.

Link= http://www.thegate.ca/front-page/034/xbox-360-elite-revealed/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.5.241 (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Good Article Nomination

I am very happy with this article; it's well written, factual and up-to-date. Plus, the problems with WP:NPOV have been fixed since the de-listing. There are, however, two small problems that need addressing before I am willing to pass this article, so I am placing the nomination on hold until they are fixed:

1. Image needs fair-use rationale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xbox360elite.jpg
2. I think a reference or two is needed for the 'Suggested retail price by region' table.

Fix these, and the article is on it's way to GA. I'll be watching the page, so once it's been updated, I'll know. Smomo 16:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Still some references needed but good work so far. Smomo 17:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Some other changes that should be made (especially if you want it to ever be a Featured Article:

1. Change the release dates in the infobox to the words used in most game articles (see Wii for an example).
2. Move the large release section to the Xbox 360 launch page. TJ Spyke 07:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Little progress has been made with these problems since this article was nominated so I am failing it for GA. Smomo 22:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

360 Flaws.

Some flaws of the Xbox 360 is that the controllers, can dent even if it doesn't drop hard. Another mistake is that when you move the system while a game is playing, it will make a perfect circle on the game/DVD. gameplaya 3:13 1 April 2007

I have not seen nor heard any evidence that suggests the Controllers dent easily when dropped. If you would like to provide some, please do. As for the disk scatching, it already has a section [2]. Its quite well documented i believe. RC Master 15:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The Xbox 360's manual clearly says do not moving the 360 while the 360 is turned on. Also, if you're clumsy enough to drop your controllers, buy Controller Skins to protect the controller. None of what you mentioned are flaws in the 360's design or the 360 itself.--Can Not 14:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

DVD Drive flaw in this article: [3] VTNC 00:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Microsoft have started a programme where they allow you to send in your old scrathed disks and they will replace it with a fresh one.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/gameplay/discreplacement-program.htm

The following game titles are currently available for this program:

Crackdown™, Fuzion Frenzy 2, Gears Of War®, Halo® 2, Kameo™: Elements of Power™, Ninety Nine Nights™, Perfect Dark Zero™, Project Gotham Racing® 3, Viva Piñata™, Xbox Live® Arcade Unplugged Vol. 1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kevgallacher (talk • contribs) 18:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Retail configurations Difference

In Japan, Retail configurations is following.

• Headset - Only included in Launch version of Premium System.
• Media Remote - Seems be included all Premium system, not only Launch version but also Later version. (I have MFR-Date "2006-11-29", it contains Media Remote)
• Cables - Premium System includes "D-Terminal HD Cable", which have also composit output so it doesn't contain "Composite Cable". Core System includes "Composite Cable".
• Month of Xbox Live Gold - Not contain Subscription Code for Month of Xbox Live Gold, but applied to GamerTag newly created in Xbox 360 console automatically.

--ja:PiaCarrot 13:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming May 7, 2007 Dashboard Update

Maybe some information about the upcoming update could be added : http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2007/0408-im.htm

It adds support for things like the live messanger and MPEG 4 Part-2 video streaming.

Sorry if I haven't done this right, my first time ever posting anything on wikipedia.

If I've done anything wrong please let me know, thanks.

60.234.223.209 07:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This needs to be done, as well as someone adding something about the new support/warranty policy[4] Kmillard92 09:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Free60

The article doesn't mention the free60 project, a project with the goal (recently acheived) of porting GNU/Linux and other free software operating systems to the xbox 360. At the very least this should be included in external links. Variant 14:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you have some links to confirm that? I'm sure someone would add them to the relevent place if some links were provided RC Master 11:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

QWERTY text-input device (keyboard)

There is a keyboard attachment for the controller to be released (when?) - see http://www.slashgear.com/action-shots-of-the-xbox-360-keyboard-attachment-104704.php or search for "xbox 360 keyboard". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.102.17.13 (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Here's a link with more info from the official xbox.com site :
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2007/0408-im.htm
Dnzperson 23:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added a section to Xbox 360 components and accessories at the bottom - check it for spelling grammar etc if you want.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.102.45.242 (talk • contribs).

DX 10

Is XBox 360 DirectX 10 compatible? --202.40.137.202 04:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the aritcle. MastrCake 06:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not :http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153097
Or check out Wiki's own page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX#DirectX_10_and_9.0L
Dnzperson 04:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Shipped vs. Retail sales

Is there any difference between retail sales vs. units shipped? If not then it might be nice to standardize the infoboxes on the PS3 and 360 pages. Any objections? Chevinki 18:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

10.4 million sold from the 1st link. (.5 shipped for the 2nd link). So from Microsoft 10.4 - 10.9 million. The thing is did they mean sold or shipped in the 1st link Catprog

This seems to be a persistent point of confusion. I'm not sure, but if you add up the shipped numbers in the table, they pretty much add up to the same thing. I think it's more likely that the figure is for shipped units. Dancter 08:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Compatibility stuff worth mentioning

1. Is the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player compatible with 360 Elite? 2. Is the Xbox Fishing Rod Controller compatible with Xbox 360? 3. Is Rapala Pro Fishing for Xbox compatible with abovementioned fishing reel controller on Xbox 360? 4. Is The House of the Dead III for Xbox and light guns compatible with Xbox 360 and big screen TVs?

Anyway, I just think answers to the above and similar compatibility questions would be helpful in the article. Best, --164.107.223.217 04:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Critical Reception?

How come this article doesn't have a (Critical) Reception -section like Wii and PS3? The first Xbox is also lacking one. -TheHande 06:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Already discussed here. Smomo 11:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

xna

"It targets the XNA Framework only to provide managed content and for a US$99/£65GBP yearly subscription fee users can join a "creators club" which lets them share their content with others. There is also a 4 month subscription to the "creators club" which costs £30GBP."

should read

"It targets the XNA Framework only to provide managed content and for a US$99/£65GBP yearly subscription fee. Users can also join a "creators club" which lets them share their content with others, a 4 month subscription to the creators club costs £30GBP."

Elite unnecessary negatives

"As with the original Xbox 360, the revised system does not support HD DVD and Wi-Fi without additional hardware"

It also doesnt support all the other additional hardware out of the box. This line is backhanded.

This line should be change to:

"As with the original XBox 360, the revised system supports optional components like Wireless Racing Wheel, Universal Media Remotel, Xbox Live Vision and HD-DVD Player."

If it is not to be changed to this latter form, it should be simply removed entirely.

price cut

is there any news regarding this or maybe news should be included in the article? I've heard many rumors but nothing ligit so far. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.186.57.176 (talk • contribs).

If they are unsourced rumors or rumors coming from questionable sources (as in credibility is lacking), then no, you should not include these rumors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BirdKr (talk • contribs) 17:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

winner of console war?

Worldwide sales standings

Console	Units Sold	Units Shipped
Xbox 360	(unknown)	10.4 Million (as of December 31 2006)
Wii	6.6 million+	N/A
PlayStation 3	3.2 million +	5 million

According to sales reports, Xbox360 is best selling of seventh generation of video game console. Xbox360 is winner of console war, maybe. what do you think? Firefox001 17:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thats not for us to decide. --soum (0_o) 17:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

This information does not support any kind of sales figures for the XBox 360 sales. The key words in the chart are "units shipped". This is as close to lies as Sony with their sales figures on the PSP system sales. It may have sold more, but it was released a year before the other two. The 360's sales are rather lacking, as are the PS3's.

That's a crap chart as it's really spotty and doesn't even come close to giving a complete picture. After that, it's too early to tell. We're still in the very begining of the seventh generation. --Infosocialist 11:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Xbox 360 premium

It has been officially renamed The Xbox 360: http://www.xbox.com/en-US Wikifan21century 03:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Renamed Xbox 360 Pro. --soum (0_o) 03:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Xbox 360 with 20GB hard drive always was just the "Xbox 360" and the Xbox 360 sans 20GB harddrive was the "core." Notice that on the box of the Xbox 360 it just says "xbox 360", with no "premium" or "pro" on it like the core and elite have "Core" and "Elite" on the boxes. It was mostly retailers and consumers that adopted the "premium" designation. Occasionally calling it the "pro" package. When all along it was simply called "Xbox 360." RC Master 09:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Technical Problems

Seems just a tad bias-Delta Spartan 14:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

please add something about the serious problems with overheating —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.102.3.160 (talk • contribs).

Backwards compatibility

After going over the section on backward compatibility, I questioned that old games are played in high resolution and with anti-aliasing. I checked the link provided the source of the statement and found nothing that stated that, but I could see how it was misunderstood.

I have found another source, Microsoft. In an early interview with Tom Holmdahl (I've seen articles that reference it dating around 2005 and 2006) he does state that it will be possible. However, I've found no other mention of it online besides this near quote on Wikipedia. Can anyone verify this and provide a better link for the source? --Infosocialist 11:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Criticism section - Bannishment

Section and sub-section created with sourced information, discuss this change here instead revert or delete. Thanks --Ciao 90 21:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a bit and moved it to the Xbox Live section. Nothing in it showed anything about the banishments being criticized so this seemed more appropriate. ♦^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 21:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you just POV it trying to minimize a real and big event heavily repercuted in the media and concerned by million users. I ask you to take a look at Major Nelson blog entry, Gamerscore blog entry, Digg entry, and Xbox.com forums - Xbox Live section (since 17th May). --Ciao 90 01:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Blog forums are not suitable sources for Wikipedia. The event, in the way it has been added to the article contains a agenda driven POV. The section should be removed from criticism all together. This act is benig praised in the press as a proactive method to assure the integrity of gameplayers on the LIVE service. Violators of LIVE's Terms of Service are not being "banished", but MS is rightfully permitting those who have not violeted the terms, and removing the threat to quality service represented by altered machiens.

This section should be moved to the LIVE article. And the section (with the same language as we see here) should be revised to remove the POV we see there.

Wageslave 16:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The sentence:

"Bannishment forces users to sell or leave the console and buy another one. If you bought an used console on eBay and get banned, you should accept this condition, even if you never put an backup disc in your console, even if you don't know what modded firmwares means. However, users can continue use their Gamertag on unbanned consoles, the account is preserved, only the console hardware is banned."

is incredibly shoddy english. I suggest it is removed or heavily editted.

Removed. --Ciao 90 16:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

User:RC_Master reverted without discussion and then I reverted. --Ciao 90 12:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)