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Hi, I am the guy who edited the plot of Bhramam multiple times as the one which keeps getting reverted to is horrible in explanation and has extremely bad grammar. Wikipedia has a notice that plots of films should be short and crisp for the reader to understand. Please compare my plot and the other plot (reverted one) and check which is better Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.51.1.229 (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks for your edit and sorry for messing it up as I was trying to remove the Danielair entry and not your correction. MilborneOne (talk) 17:25, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for letting me know about the deletion discussion about Apply Zimbabwe. It was very polite of you.
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- @Infinity Knight: The above notifies you that articles like Mondoweiss are under discretionary sanctions. That requires editors to focus on article content and, if responding in a discussion, to respond substantively to points raised. Editors who are unable to collaborate, or who are unable to accept a consensus, may be topic banned. Johnuniq (talk) 09:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq Thank you for the warning. Could you provide specific diffs so I could improve my editing?
- I received my first warning a year ago about the discretionary sanctions for rasing a BLP concern. here.
- Regarding the current warning. I asked a question here: Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#ONUS:_procedural_question. According to User:Blueboar Usually, however, the correct conclusion is “no consensus”… which means both “sides” in the debate may have to compromise a bit. Do you see consensus in the Mondoweiss discussion? Infinity Knight (talk) 04:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am not going to engage in a sealioning exercise. If you are unable to work out what I'm talking about, a topic ban might be only solution because I'm clearly talking about recent activity at the linked article. Johnuniq (talk) 04:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting. Infinity Knight (talk) 05:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am not going to engage in a sealioning exercise. If you are unable to work out what I'm talking about, a topic ban might be only solution because I'm clearly talking about recent activity at the linked article. Johnuniq (talk) 04:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Mondoweiss
Thank you for fixing your edit at Talk:Mondoweiss. However, and particularly for a topic under discretionary sanctions, comments should be signed and should engage with the discussion. Your fixed comment consists of three copy/pastes of comments made by another editor two weeks ago, and it follows "If you have a proposal to make, make it." The proper way to respond to such a comment would be to briefly state what your proposal is (an actionable and clear proposal to improve the article by removing/adding/changing text). If that proposal is stated elsewhere, you should identify it. Your previous comment from two days ago (by the way, we are supposed to use {{pb}}, not <p>) is equally opaque. Comments must be clear—are you just chatting or you supporting a specific editing proposal? The wording has now been changed, but if you are concerned that "webzine not found in the source" you should give a clue how you would fix that. In the same way, I can't tell what you intended with the rest of that comment. Perhaps it means something to those familiar with the topic but it looks like a braindump with no connection to the discussion. Johnuniq (talk) 05:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for chiming in, Johnuniq. Let me quote Blueboar from here A lot depends on the reasons given for the various opinions. I have seen five well reasoned, policy based arguments in opposition to an addition out-weigh ten poorly reasoned “I just like it” arguments for inclusion… and five well reasoned arguments for inclusion out weigh ten “I don’t like it” arguments for exclusion.. Infinity Knight (talk) 05:46, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- You might not be reading the situation clearly so let me put it more directly. The above discretionary sanctions notice alerts you to the fact that special procedures apply to the topic. Even if that were not the case, it is necessary that editors engage in a clear manner on article talk pages. Editors who are unable to do that will be topic banned. Johnuniq (talk) 06:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for chiming in, Johnuniq. Let me quote Blueboar from here A lot depends on the reasons given for the various opinions. I have seen five well reasoned, policy based arguments in opposition to an addition out-weigh ten poorly reasoned “I just like it” arguments for inclusion… and five well reasoned arguments for inclusion out weigh ten “I don’t like it” arguments for exclusion.. Infinity Knight (talk) 05:46, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, I am aware of the discretionary sanctions. Infinity Knight (talk) 07:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
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I have started a discussion in which you may care to comment at [[1]] Cheers Elinruby (talk) 00:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Chatbots
You seem to be adding AI generated stuff to Talk pages.[2] Tell me about it ... Bon courage (talk) 11:55, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Also concerned about [3][4][5][6][7][8][9], all of which are rated as "unclear" or "likely AI-generated" by OpenAI's classifier, unlike other long comments in those threads. Infinity Knight, if this is true, what were you thinking? Why would we want to read chatbot outputs? DFlhb (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Having concerns about comments that have been evaluated by OpenAI's classifier as "unclear" or "likely AI-generated" is a reasonable position to hold. It's worth noting that while some comments may have been improved through the use of automatic tools, the responsibility for the content on Wikipedia lies with human editors and not merely their spell or grammar checkers. Infinity Knight (talk) 13:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, but the stuff you're posting is useless. Bon courage (talk) 14:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- My dear, life is full of surprises. You'll be surprised by the challenges and obstacles you will face, but also by the opportunities that will come your way. Infinity Knight (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, but the stuff you're posting is useless. Bon courage (talk) 14:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Having concerns about comments that have been evaluated by OpenAI's classifier as "unclear" or "likely AI-generated" is a reasonable position to hold. It's worth noting that while some comments may have been improved through the use of automatic tools, the responsibility for the content on Wikipedia lies with human editors and not merely their spell or grammar checkers. Infinity Knight (talk) 13:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Uncalled for
I was reading your post on user:SMcCandlish's talk titled "Greetings". You said: "Hello there. I hope it's okay for me to leave a message on your talk page. I just wanted to mention ...". And then he says you were dancing?! Has he been disrespectful else where? He doesn't want me to post on his talk page otherwise I would have mentioned you. Iterresise (talk) 00:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- Why are you pinging me to this? If the two of you feel trying to pillory me, just get on with it. There are clear instructions at the top of WP:ANI. But you should have a good read of WP:BOOMERANG first. Someone disagreeing with your proposals and being critical of your behavior here is not you being attacked, and everyone on this site (except apparently you) already understands this very well. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
WP:TPO
You removed a comment of mine, kindly restore it. Also you should not be moving or substantially modifying comments that have been responded to. nableezy - 14:06, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I apologize for the confusion. Could you please direct me to the specific difference or edit you're referring to? Which comment of yours did I delete and from where? Infinity Knight (talk) 14:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- here. nableezy - 14:15, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- Well now youve made it so Im replying to nobody in particular. Kindly put your original comment back where it was. And my reply as well. nableezy - 14:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; it's my first time using the merge tool. I think the changes were made simultaneously, so the order is a bit unclear. Should I move them again, and if so, where would you like them? Infinity Knight (talk) 14:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction
The following sanction now applies to you:
You are indefinitely topic-banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed.
You have been sanctioned because you have repeatedly attempted to weaponize administrative processes within the topic area, after a previous warning:
- Attempt to sanction topic-area opponent for policy-compliant edit (I AGF on this one, but presented for context)
- Warned by Bishonen for civil POV-pushing in an attempt to sanction a topic-area opponent
- Attempt to sanction the same opponent as in (1), under the same misapplication of policy, for conduct that was even less objectionable than the first time.
- More selective misapplication of policy, this time against the admin who told you that you were wrong in (3)
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- @Tamzin - I have some concerns about this action.
- It seems to me that reasons (1) and (3) ought more properly to be construed as asking for advice/comment, not asking you to take some kind of action against another editor. The quoted text under reason (4) says that the administrator in question might seem to be doing certain things. It's a conditional statement which I'd hardly call a wilful misrepresentation of policy. Ironically, it may just be uncivil.
- We are also potentially stretching the meaning of 'uninvolved administrator' when the user's comments in (1) and (3) were directed to you, and you participated in the conversation in (4) in opposition to the opinion offered by @Infinity Knight.
- Finally, there is a real question about whether any of the four reasons cited actually fall within Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#Definition of the "area of conflict". To my reading they do not, though granted, I am relatively new here. Riposte97 (talk) 04:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Appeal declined
I have declined your second appeal to AE. I would like to ensure that you are aware that, while there is an appeals process, it is expected that it will be used within reason. Appealing little more than a week after your prior appeal was declined does not qualify as "within reason". It is normally expected that if an appeal is declined, an editor will wait a minimum of six months prior to another attempt. I would strongly advise that you take that time to consider how you might make a more convincing request. If you file more appeals before that time has elapsed, which in this case would be prior to 12 May 2024, it is very likely that it will be considered disruptive and handled accordingly. So, I very much encourage you not to do that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Getting banned indefinitely from discussing the Arab-Israeli conflict due to my comments does seem pretty absurd. I'm not entirely sure if my points were considered, which is why I decided to appeal. The appeal decisions exhibited a deficiency in an evidence-based approach, predominantly depending on opinions and subjective arguments rather than being rooted in verifiable and factual information. There is no indication that the closing administrator reviewed the provided diffs. The ongoing need for revising versions of the topic remedies could suggest that administrative intervention isn't consistently helpful and doesn't seem to work overall. Infinity Knight (talk) 06:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- That's the sort of comment we frequently hear from banned or blocked editors. Besides being "but I'm not guilty, gov" it shows your inexperience and thus lack of knowledge and IMHO the correctness of the decision. Doug Weller talk 09:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Got any signs of someone trying to put the smackdown on a rival in the topic or playing fast and loose with the rules in those diffs? Still waiting for an answer on that one. I've seen another admin, Doug's probably crossed paths with them, pulling some sketchy moves with their powers. When it comes to "frequency", I'd reckon a little crew that's all tight-knit would have each other's backs ([10] [11]). Long story short, the whole process doesn't seem to be based on any real evidence. Infinity Knight (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm going to set aside the accusation that I was somehow biased because I provided neutral clarification in response to an AN/I post you made a year ago, and focus on what you're saying about Zero0000: I want to be clear, Infinity Knight, that while there is a limited exception to bans for "legitimate and necessary dispute resolution", attempting to relitigate old grudges within the topic area does not fall under that. I understand that you're upset by how things have gone, and we traditionally give recently-banned users a bit of wiggle room to vent. But that has its limit, so you can consider this your first and last warning. If you wish to continue editing here, please find something to edit about other than the Arab-Israeli conflict. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 05:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Alright, check it out—this editor's got an issue with an admin, then another admin steps in to back them up, and bam, the editor gets hit with a ban. You gotta wonder, doesn't that kinda seem like payback? Infinity Knight (talk) 05:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I can't speak for anyone else here, but if you think I have any problem challenging another admin when I feel they've made a mistake, you should probably look through my own history. But your conduct here is just convincing me further that the decision made was correct. As I've told to many editors subject to remedies like topic bans, you aren't required to agree with it, but you are required to abide by it. You can make a new appeal in six months (or a bit less than that now). Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- You can keep on not acknowledging the evidence (diff) that's been laid out. No kidding, I was totally sincere when I said Tamzin shines bright through her poem [12] , and I genuinely wished her nothing but sunny days ahead [13]. Infinity Knight (talk) 05:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- And I took that as genuine, Infinity Knight. I have nothing against you as a person. I have nothing against most of the people I've sanctioned under ARBPIA, on either side. It's a very difficult time in the world, and many communities and many individuals are being pushed to their breaking point over the matter of Israel and Palestine. I see that every day among Zionist friends and pro-Palestinian friends alike. Between the rawness of the recent traumas and the proliferation of propaganda, I really can't blame people for having strong feelings. But the admin team has been tasked by ArbCom with keeping the peace in the topic area, and so that's what I'm doing, and what Seraphimblade is doing, and what Doug is doing. It's our own kind of tikkun olam: We can't solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and we can't mend the souls of the people it affects directly and indirectly, but we can do our best at making sure discussions tend in the direction of making the encyclopedia better, and in turn bringing humanity the best information available. (And inevitably, the people we sanction will feel they were making the encyclopedia better, but that's the nature of the beast.)I do hope to see you around, editing other topics. I like that you're someone who says kind things to people—not because I'm a sucker for flattery, but because that's just not something we see enough of in this community. We need more niceness. I try to bring that niceness to the wiki, but I don't always succeed, and there are some things like TBANning or blocking people where I'm always going to seem like a bitch no matter how hard I try. But one thing I try to remind people who've been TBANned is, this means no one wanted to indef you. I'm not afraid to block an experienced editor if I think it's what's best for the 'pedia; I've done so to much "bigger names" in the past. But I didn't feel that here, and apparently no one else did either. You have something to offer the project, just maybe not about this topic, not at this time. In six months, a year, whenever, I'd love the chance to support an unban request. With the utmost sincerity, few things make me happier than getting to lift a sanction I've imposed. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 06:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's a bummer, but there's no solid process for checking up on how administrators behave because they're the ones doing the reviewing themselves. The truth is, my ban got set off by my comment on the admin's sketchy behavior ([14]). Infinity Knight (talk) 06:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I broadly agree that we have inadequate processes for reviewing admin misconduct, but that's a conclusion I've reached in the course of bringing three admins to ArbCom and getting them desysopped, as well as contributing evidence for two other desysops, not to mention times I've called out other admins that were resolved short of ArbCom. I hope that establishes that I'm not afraid to stand against other admins when I feel they've violated policy. This, simply, was not such a case. But all of that is neither here nor there, and discussing it further still toes the line of your topic ban. If you do want to talk more about admin accountability, feel free to email me. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 06:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- All good on my end, Tamzin. Is slapping a ban on an editor for commenting on admin behavior the right move? Look, you've admitted that you weren't certain about the right response, but you were convinced that I was trying to "weaponize Wikipedia processes". Just so we're clear, that wasn't my intention. The problem is, administrators are routinely banning contributors who are clearly making a positive impact, and then they're calling these editors a waste of time. It's not doing any favors for Wikipedia. Infinity Knight (talk) 06:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- If you expect to have an eventual appeal accepted, you will need to start looking at your own behavior instead of blaming admins or imagined process failures. You will need to examine why your impact was not making an overall positive impact in the eyes of many. That's my one comment. O3000, Ret. (talk) 12:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate your perspective, but it seems like we're not quite on the same page here. Everything in the evidence (diffs) I gave is legit. But the whole "weaponizing" thing? That's the imaginary part. Infinity Knight (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- You're entitled to that opinion. But your appeal has been declined, twice, and continuing to complain about the matter you were banned over is, obviously, a violation of that ban. The only place left where it would be appropriate to discuss this is as part of a last-resort ban appeal at WP:ARCA, although I can't say I'd recommend that. Please just drop it and find something else to edit about. I don't particularly want to block you. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 21:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Tamzin, you're really sticking to the whole "weaponizing" thing, huh? Truth is, you're the one working forces. No need to pretend like what I'm saying is being looked at without bias or even looked at period. [15] -> [16]. I didn't catch your name in the earlier talk about the admin going all rogue. According to the diff provided it took you 15 mins [17] -> [18] to jump in order to advocate for misuse of administrative powers, you were evidently the first one to pop up. Seems only fair to assume—this editor's got an issue with an admin, then another admin steps in to back them up, and bam, the editor gets hit with a ban. "Retaliatory finding without merit" as you put it. Makes you think, doesn't it? Infinity Knight (talk) 02:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Seraphimblade or @Doug Weller: I learned my lesson a while ago that sanctioning a user over comments that include insults against oneself is usually a bad idea, even when it falls on the right side of WP:INVOLVED. I don't actually give a damn about whatever IK wants to accuse me of; I've been called far worse. But I do think I've been pretty clear here that continuing to litigate this is a TBAN violation, and yet here we are. Could one of you please assess if further sanctions are necessary? Thanks. (CYA note: Again, not INVOLVED, and I reserve the right to act in an administrative capacity in this case—just recusing with respect to these particular comments to avoid an appearance of impropriety.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 03:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting, @Tamzin. I've mentioned this before, and it's important to emphasize that I want nothing but happiness and positivity for you. Sometimes, facing the truth can be challenging, truth hurts, as Ben Finegold aptly puts it. My perspective is based on common sense and a sincere desire for your well-being. There's no need to pretend that your actions went unnoticed by uninvolved editors—they expressed their concerns with We are also potentially stretching the meaning of 'uninvolved administrator' when the user's comments in (1) and (3) were directed to you, and you participated in the conversation in (4) in opposition to the opinion offered by @Infinity Knight. And now there is a new diff. Let's continue to communicate openly and work together for the best possible outcome. Infinity Knight (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy and discussions do not have to go on until everyone is happy. You are welcome to believe whatever it is that this discussion is about, but the discussion itself must stop now. I will indefinitely block you if it continues. Either find something that helps develop articles (articles not covered by a topic ban) or find another website. Johnuniq (talk) 02:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- There is evidence of harassment on my talk page from this administrator in the past. Concerning this incident, an impartial editor commented with I've read through the ArbCom remedies, and frankly, the ban is way out of line. There is just no authority for it. Sysops can only invoke the sanctions if certain conditions are met. They were obviously not met here. on the talk page of the administrator in question. Is this an appropriate way to treat volunteers who dedicate their time to the project? Infinity Knight (talk) 04:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Please regard the above as your last word. Explanations for how to appeal the current sanctions are on this page (search for "using the process described here"). If you want advice regarding my intention to block you indefinitely if you continue this discussion on this page or any other, ask at WP:AN but read WP:BOOMERANG first. Johnuniq (talk) 05:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting Infinity Knight (talk) 05:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Please regard the above as your last word. Explanations for how to appeal the current sanctions are on this page (search for "using the process described here"). If you want advice regarding my intention to block you indefinitely if you continue this discussion on this page or any other, ask at WP:AN but read WP:BOOMERANG first. Johnuniq (talk) 05:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- There is evidence of harassment on my talk page from this administrator in the past. Concerning this incident, an impartial editor commented with I've read through the ArbCom remedies, and frankly, the ban is way out of line. There is just no authority for it. Sysops can only invoke the sanctions if certain conditions are met. They were obviously not met here. on the talk page of the administrator in question. Is this an appropriate way to treat volunteers who dedicate their time to the project? Infinity Knight (talk) 04:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy and discussions do not have to go on until everyone is happy. You are welcome to believe whatever it is that this discussion is about, but the discussion itself must stop now. I will indefinitely block you if it continues. Either find something that helps develop articles (articles not covered by a topic ban) or find another website. Johnuniq (talk) 02:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting, @Tamzin. I've mentioned this before, and it's important to emphasize that I want nothing but happiness and positivity for you. Sometimes, facing the truth can be challenging, truth hurts, as Ben Finegold aptly puts it. My perspective is based on common sense and a sincere desire for your well-being. There's no need to pretend that your actions went unnoticed by uninvolved editors—they expressed their concerns with We are also potentially stretching the meaning of 'uninvolved administrator' when the user's comments in (1) and (3) were directed to you, and you participated in the conversation in (4) in opposition to the opinion offered by @Infinity Knight. And now there is a new diff. Let's continue to communicate openly and work together for the best possible outcome. Infinity Knight (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Seraphimblade or @Doug Weller: I learned my lesson a while ago that sanctioning a user over comments that include insults against oneself is usually a bad idea, even when it falls on the right side of WP:INVOLVED. I don't actually give a damn about whatever IK wants to accuse me of; I've been called far worse. But I do think I've been pretty clear here that continuing to litigate this is a TBAN violation, and yet here we are. Could one of you please assess if further sanctions are necessary? Thanks. (CYA note: Again, not INVOLVED, and I reserve the right to act in an administrative capacity in this case—just recusing with respect to these particular comments to avoid an appearance of impropriety.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 03:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Tamzin, you're really sticking to the whole "weaponizing" thing, huh? Truth is, you're the one working forces. No need to pretend like what I'm saying is being looked at without bias or even looked at period. [15] -> [16]. I didn't catch your name in the earlier talk about the admin going all rogue. According to the diff provided it took you 15 mins [17] -> [18] to jump in order to advocate for misuse of administrative powers, you were evidently the first one to pop up. Seems only fair to assume—this editor's got an issue with an admin, then another admin steps in to back them up, and bam, the editor gets hit with a ban. "Retaliatory finding without merit" as you put it. Makes you think, doesn't it? Infinity Knight (talk) 02:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- You're entitled to that opinion. But your appeal has been declined, twice, and continuing to complain about the matter you were banned over is, obviously, a violation of that ban. The only place left where it would be appropriate to discuss this is as part of a last-resort ban appeal at WP:ARCA, although I can't say I'd recommend that. Please just drop it and find something else to edit about. I don't particularly want to block you. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 21:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate your perspective, but it seems like we're not quite on the same page here. Everything in the evidence (diffs) I gave is legit. But the whole "weaponizing" thing? That's the imaginary part. Infinity Knight (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- If you expect to have an eventual appeal accepted, you will need to start looking at your own behavior instead of blaming admins or imagined process failures. You will need to examine why your impact was not making an overall positive impact in the eyes of many. That's my one comment. O3000, Ret. (talk) 12:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- All good on my end, Tamzin. Is slapping a ban on an editor for commenting on admin behavior the right move? Look, you've admitted that you weren't certain about the right response, but you were convinced that I was trying to "weaponize Wikipedia processes". Just so we're clear, that wasn't my intention. The problem is, administrators are routinely banning contributors who are clearly making a positive impact, and then they're calling these editors a waste of time. It's not doing any favors for Wikipedia. Infinity Knight (talk) 06:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I broadly agree that we have inadequate processes for reviewing admin misconduct, but that's a conclusion I've reached in the course of bringing three admins to ArbCom and getting them desysopped, as well as contributing evidence for two other desysops, not to mention times I've called out other admins that were resolved short of ArbCom. I hope that establishes that I'm not afraid to stand against other admins when I feel they've violated policy. This, simply, was not such a case. But all of that is neither here nor there, and discussing it further still toes the line of your topic ban. If you do want to talk more about admin accountability, feel free to email me. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 06:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's a bummer, but there's no solid process for checking up on how administrators behave because they're the ones doing the reviewing themselves. The truth is, my ban got set off by my comment on the admin's sketchy behavior ([14]). Infinity Knight (talk) 06:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- And I took that as genuine, Infinity Knight. I have nothing against you as a person. I have nothing against most of the people I've sanctioned under ARBPIA, on either side. It's a very difficult time in the world, and many communities and many individuals are being pushed to their breaking point over the matter of Israel and Palestine. I see that every day among Zionist friends and pro-Palestinian friends alike. Between the rawness of the recent traumas and the proliferation of propaganda, I really can't blame people for having strong feelings. But the admin team has been tasked by ArbCom with keeping the peace in the topic area, and so that's what I'm doing, and what Seraphimblade is doing, and what Doug is doing. It's our own kind of tikkun olam: We can't solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and we can't mend the souls of the people it affects directly and indirectly, but we can do our best at making sure discussions tend in the direction of making the encyclopedia better, and in turn bringing humanity the best information available. (And inevitably, the people we sanction will feel they were making the encyclopedia better, but that's the nature of the beast.)I do hope to see you around, editing other topics. I like that you're someone who says kind things to people—not because I'm a sucker for flattery, but because that's just not something we see enough of in this community. We need more niceness. I try to bring that niceness to the wiki, but I don't always succeed, and there are some things like TBANning or blocking people where I'm always going to seem like a bitch no matter how hard I try. But one thing I try to remind people who've been TBANned is, this means no one wanted to indef you. I'm not afraid to block an experienced editor if I think it's what's best for the 'pedia; I've done so to much "bigger names" in the past. But I didn't feel that here, and apparently no one else did either. You have something to offer the project, just maybe not about this topic, not at this time. In six months, a year, whenever, I'd love the chance to support an unban request. With the utmost sincerity, few things make me happier than getting to lift a sanction I've imposed. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 06:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- You can keep on not acknowledging the evidence (diff) that's been laid out. No kidding, I was totally sincere when I said Tamzin shines bright through her poem [12] , and I genuinely wished her nothing but sunny days ahead [13]. Infinity Knight (talk) 05:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I can't speak for anyone else here, but if you think I have any problem challenging another admin when I feel they've made a mistake, you should probably look through my own history. But your conduct here is just convincing me further that the decision made was correct. As I've told to many editors subject to remedies like topic bans, you aren't required to agree with it, but you are required to abide by it. You can make a new appeal in six months (or a bit less than that now). Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Alright, check it out—this editor's got an issue with an admin, then another admin steps in to back them up, and bam, the editor gets hit with a ban. You gotta wonder, doesn't that kinda seem like payback? Infinity Knight (talk) 05:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm going to set aside the accusation that I was somehow biased because I provided neutral clarification in response to an AN/I post you made a year ago, and focus on what you're saying about Zero0000: I want to be clear, Infinity Knight, that while there is a limited exception to bans for "legitimate and necessary dispute resolution", attempting to relitigate old grudges within the topic area does not fall under that. I understand that you're upset by how things have gone, and we traditionally give recently-banned users a bit of wiggle room to vent. But that has its limit, so you can consider this your first and last warning. If you wish to continue editing here, please find something to edit about other than the Arab-Israeli conflict. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 05:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Got any signs of someone trying to put the smackdown on a rival in the topic or playing fast and loose with the rules in those diffs? Still waiting for an answer on that one. I've seen another admin, Doug's probably crossed paths with them, pulling some sketchy moves with their powers. When it comes to "frequency", I'd reckon a little crew that's all tight-knit would have each other's backs ([10] [11]). Long story short, the whole process doesn't seem to be based on any real evidence. Infinity Knight (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- That's the sort of comment we frequently hear from banned or blocked editors. Besides being "but I'm not guilty, gov" it shows your inexperience and thus lack of knowledge and IMHO the correctness of the decision. Doug Weller talk 09:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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wikimedia.org). You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Galobtter (talk) 03:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC) Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."
LLM generated article content?
InfinityKnight, did you use an LLM to create the article Interpretations of Pandora's box in Greek mythology? On a spot check, the article appears to make fabricated claims unsupported by the cited sources. Can you, for example, provide the exact quote from the source Multivariate analysis in ecology and systematics: panacea or Pandora's box? that supports the following text that you added to the article:
"James, Frances C., and Charles E. McCulloch discuss the role and agency of Pandora in opening the box. They explain that Pandora's role is often seen as passive as she is usually depicted as simply opening the box and allowing all of the evils to escape. However, the authors argue that this interpretation is a confusion between the objectives of the method (multivariate analysis) and the objectives of the researcher. They state that Pandora's role should be seen as active, as she made a conscious decision to open the box, and her agency in doing so is significant."
As far as I can tell on a quick browse-through, the source contains no such discussion and is tangential to the purported subject of the article. Abecedare (talk) 04:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Homeric laughter was also written using AI. I've run text through several AI detectors, there's no doubt. Doug Weller talk 08:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- That article seems to have links to ones in other languages but the other articles seem to be about something different, so it might be a botched attempt at using AI to translate.★Trekker (talk) 14:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- There is a discussion about IK using a chat bot to generate edits further up the page here. What I noticed a while back is that IK's responses in that thread also sound like they were written by a chat bot. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- They are. Honestly, seems half like a breaching experiment. nableezy - 17:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Infinity Knight, unless a cogent explanation for your adding apparently false claims and citations to wikipedia is available, a block or other sanctions would be warranted. So I would encourage you to address the concerns raised here as soon as possible... and in non-AI generated words. Please ping me when you do so. Abecedare (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)