User talk:Zazaban

I am more likely to go along with something if you're friendly about it. So please, if you get in an edit war with me or somebody, don't get stern, that makes me LESS likely to cooperate with you.

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CFD

Hi, you previously commented on this CFD, and a similar one is up for deletion here. Please comment when you get a chance. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 06:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Gothic metal and rock

I would like to hear the argument you have for gothic metal not being part of the gothic subculture when gothic rock is. Heavy metal is a genre of rock, how is the same kind of music not and one is? — Save_Us † 01:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Please point out the specific thread the says there is a consensus that gothic metal isn't. — Save_Us † 01:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That was a year about ago and not much was said other than users giving their personal point of view on it and consensus changes sometimes. I will start a thread, preferably a straw poll, on Talk:Goth subculture, to determine if gothic metal should be added to the template of gothic subculture. To remain even, I will start the thread and end it when a satisfactory consensus is made, and I will refrain from adding my own !vote. Feel free to comment there once the thread starts. The most credible arguments are going to be ones with the best reliable sources to back up their argument, so please provide any you have to the discussion. Thanks, — Save_Us † 01:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment

Please do not encourage a banned sockpuppeteer from editing wikipedia. 87.122 is user:Breathtaker--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, i'm evil. I'm an IP and Dr. F.U. is a registered user. Registered users are good, unregistered users are bad. A typical Wikipedia game. But hey, Dr. F.U., you can be sure, i'll fight until the end and i'll revert wrong crap of this fucking encyclopaedia.

THANK YOU

You are my hero. Thank you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much for fixing up the Marilyn Manson band members page. I was going to do it, but... I'm lazy XD

So just thank you so much for fixing it up =3

A Smashed Pumpkin (talk) 16:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Goth template

I would appreciate it if you do not revert all the changes I made to the template just because of one issue that you apparently disagree with. I did not only add gothic metal to the template. I also fixed the caps, removed duplicate entries and alphabetised the three lists. As far as the inclusion of gothic metal is concerned, I do not know what discussion you are referring to. The only thing that I have seen on talk pages of relevant articles are expressions of prejudice from fans. If you have any sources to support your assertion that gothic metal is not gothic music, as you put it, then please provide them. There are many sources in the gothic metal article that demonstrates the genre is connected to both goth rock and gothic aesthetics. Bear in mind that unlike the articles on dark wave or death-rock for instance, the article on gothic metal actually discusses gothic aesthetics in the context of the subject. If the folk music template can includes such genres as folk metal and folk punk in its list, I see no reason why the gothic template cannot include gothic metal in its list given that the connection between gothic metal and the gothic subculture seems to be much stronger than any connection between folk metal and authentic folk music. --Bardin (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Goth subculture

Please do not encourage sockpuppets to edit wikipedia. There is a reason users have been banned... Breathtaker had ample opportunity to discuss things civily and he squandered those opportunitys with insults and attacks. Remember, talk pages are the property of wikipedia too. To put it as bluntly as you did "Do not encourage banned users".--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought the ban was self evicdent in my edit summary where I said it was a sock of User:Breathtaker... I used to say "sock of banned User:Breathtaker"... guess I need to go back to that.--Dr who1975 (talk) 22:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Technological anarchism

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Currents of Transhumanism

You added "Anarcho-transhumanism" and "Christian transhumanism" to the Currents section of the Transhumanism article. These two so-called currents were deleted in July 2006 after a debate among the main contributors to the article at the time. The debate can be found in Talk:Transhumanism/Archive 12#Currents. --Loremaster (talk) 08:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Frank Zappa

I saw you edited the Zappa article. You may be interested in reading Cannabis Culture & Cost in the Discussion page of this Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier DoDaCanaDa (talk) 14:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

• Even though you already knew the general content of the article, thanks for your comment on the page. Hopefully you will weigh in with an opinion on these images an Administrator deleted within minutes of receiving the same notice above. They were originally posted by another Administrator with the tag he deemed appropriate. When two Administrators have a diametrically opposed POV, then consensus is built by other users offering an opinion. The Administrator who deleted it wrote it made Cormier look too good and was not neutral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2nd_Police_warning_4_God%27s_Emissary.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2nd_Police_Warning_4_God%27s_Emissary_1.jpg

You might be interested to see this image I would like to see posted to the Article having permission from Maclean's Magazine to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MacLean%27s.jpg

I don't know how to restore the images to the article so a reader might offer an opinion, and any help you or another can provide will be appreciated. Being new to Wikipedia, I haven't found any friends or allies yet. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

• Zazaban the article is totally destroyed, but I'm no stranger to disappointment. I had hoped to be able to complete it and then find someone to help me to perfect it so it would read encyclopedic. The interaction with Trudeau concurrent to the 3 Popes was factual and prophetic, not fantasy. I have copies obtained under the Access to Information Act of RCMP reports confirming the substance of those facts. How could this information be cited or referenced? The Declaration on Remembrance Day Day 1985, in the presence of the Governor-General of Canada, Government Leaders, the Military, Ambassadors of the Nations and 25,000 people was publicly declared and prophetic, "Hear O people and Nations, even to the ends of the Earth, the Word of the Lord God who is, and was, and is to come, The Almighty. The Lord has a controversy with the people. Do you do well to honour the dead, and yet, deny the God of the Living? Why do you follow the vain traditions of men, and make of no effect, the principles of God? You come here for one hour one day a year in a great show of public patriotism, and then forgetting, go back to work and make the same careless mistakes made by the generations prior to the 1st and 2nd World Wars. Hitler was killed, but it's his legacy that remains. A Soviet-American military-industrial complex consuming $trillions of dollars every year, holding the entire World hostage............"

"Hostage" was the last word he said perched on a bus shelter roof, as police got up and grabbed his megaphone. He was arrested for shouting, causing a disturbance, convicted and fined $250. He appealed without a lawyer to the Supreme Court of Canada.[16][17][18] is exactly factual, prophetic and important, referenced and in Court documents. The world is being held hostage to the War on terrorism. What further verification is required? Since I discovered the article April 19, approximately 2500 views were registered to the page from an average of 60 views a month for the two years previous. According to Wikipedia because they did not object is considered consent to the way it read. This paragraph from the article is significantly important and prophetic. "In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to draw attention to Revelation 19:11 [2]. Newspapers across the country chronicled his journey, and twenty years later the world was stunned to witness 9/11 as described in Revelation 18. There was an off site link so a user could read directly 19:11 and 9/11 from Revelation themselves. Even the References to this time were deleted This could have been edited to be more encyclopedic in style. It takes many years of hindsight to see if prophecy is fulfilled. I just don't understand how an article on a prophet could be relevant with the prophecies deleted. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 16:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

• Zazaban when I started this section on your page I was reaching out for help. I have not developed a network of friends yet on Wikipedia. Granted, most visitors to your page I suspect are not interested in the subject matter of the article and information above but that is not the point. I need to find contributors who are serious editors who will take on the challenge to examine the raw material in the history of the article and in the discussion and transform the information into acceptable language for the article. I though the image problem was resolved for a few days, the the Administrator who started the decimation with his network of Administrator friends rekindled the flame yesterday calling for speedy deletion of them. Since the article is on me, I have recused myself from editing it which is proper. Volunteers please! Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 15:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:PROD

Hi, saw your post to WP:AIV about Anna Quist. Good job not exceeding 3 reverts yourself. You're right that she shouldn't be removing maintenance tags without fixing the problem or discussing it, but you know she's allowed to remove the PROD notice, right? To quote from the prod template itself:

“ You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to its deletion for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, it should not be replaced. ”

Just a heads up in case you weren't aware. Now that the prod template's been removed, it should be taken to AFD instead (I can help if you'd like).

I'll try talking to Anna about the maintenance templates and if that doesn't work, I guess she'll have to be blocked. Peace, delldot talk 01:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Done, here you go: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anarchist International‎. Definitely let me know if you need any help or anything in the future. Peace, delldot talk 02:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop this ochlarchical nonscence!!!!

What you are doing is ochlarchical and not anarchistic or matter of fact. Stop it now. This only futher proves your obvious mental deficiencies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.208.16.12 (talk) 23:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Barn Star

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		This user has shown great editing skills. She, or he has greatly improved articles related to Communism or Socialism.

Hey, thanks for the birthday present! Zazaban (talk) 17:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Astronomy

I see from your user page the subject interests you. I don't know if this is from an observers POV or as a practitioner, but in 1976 when I held a vigil at the Liberty Memorial Mall in Kansas City after the Republican National Convention (Ref: Kathleen Patterson, 'Prophet Chooses Park for Vigil', The Kansas City Times, 13 September, 1976, pg 3A and Robert W. Butler, 'Prophet Plans Appeal of Conviction', The Kansas City Times, 2 November, 1976) I enjoyed frequent access to drop into the studio of a local night radio talk show. One time an astrologist by the name of Gars Austin was on the line from Texas giving brief chart readings based only on the birth date of callers. Coming up to a news break and not knowing me, from the studio I asked if he could do a more in depth reading based on my birth at 8am Sunday morning in Montreal May 21, 1944. The talk show host, the listeners and I were amazed with what he came back with. I asked if the charts showed anything significant around February 1, 1975 the date of my Spiritual resurrection. He didn't know anything about that. We were all surprised when he said, "According to my chart, on that date you had a very powerful Spiritual experience." From that time I had to give more credence to what is written in the stars. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Bessie Smith

I noticed that you changed a reference to the hospital in which Bessie Smith died from "Afro-American" to "Black", pointing out in your explanation that "this is the thirties we are talking about here." Well yes, 1937, to be exact, but I changed your well-meant correction back, because this little hospital was indeed known as the "Afro-American Hospital" back then. If you need proof, take a look at Bessie's 1937 Certificate of Death (pictured in my biography of Bessie Smith)--it lists the place of death as "Afro-American Hospital, 613 (or618) Sunflower Ave., Clarksdale." Christiern Albertson (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Anarchist International

Hi, replied. delldot talk 21:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the heads up about this. I tried explaining my position to Anna, I don't know if she'll be interested in hearing about it. I saw the discussion between you and Anna, it looks to me like it would be best if you stepped back from the whole matter and tried to avoid Anna, and let others deal with her. I feel like the conflict is kind of perpetuating itself at this point, you know? I think you handled it well by tagging the reincarnation for deletion and letting someone else know about the situation, I think you should do more of that in the future rather than trying to argue with her. I mean, far be it from me to discourage discussion, but it just seems like it's not getting anywhere, you know? The long and short of it is if she keeps editing disruptively, she's gonna be blocked, we deal with stuff like this every day. If her disruption gets bad, feel free to take it to WP:ANI or let someone know, but I'd imagine ignoring her would be a quicker way to get her to stop, you know? Anyway, these are just my thoughts, feel completely free to handle it however you want. Thanks for handling the whole matter in a reasonable way so far. Peace, delldot talk 22:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Smells Like Children

Your recent edit to Marilyn Manson discography moved the album Smells Like Children from compilation albums to EPs. According to Extended play, an EP "...contains more music than a single, but is too short to qualify as an LP. Usually, an EP has around 10–20 minutes of music..." and Smells Like Children is just under an hour in time. An EP can also be classified by number of songs, where most have 3-6 songs. Smells Like Children has 16 songs. This album is far too long to be considered an EP. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Well it appears to be a collection of remixes and covers in addition to some totally new songs. It seems to be part studio album, part remix album, part cover album, and part EP. I felt that compilation album was the best category for this album based on its composition of a variety of different songs. I really do not think it belongs under EP on the discography. Fezmar9 (talk) 07:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yo

Any insight on this? Skomorokh 06:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Check out this beauty! Skomorokh 21:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Apology

A while ago, I made edits to the Invader ZIM article that were considered original research. You had said something to another editor that wasn't me and I assumed that you were addressing me. I took offense to what you had said and was really a jerk afterwards. I want to apologize for saying that you didn't actually watch the show, because I know that you do. It was my own fault for even getting upset over nothing and posting unsourced facts without any credible evidence. By the way, my IP used to be "68.164.59.136". Again, I apologize for saying stupid things to you. I'm saying this now because I kind of forgot about it or just didn't feel like I did just before I typed this. 72.211.210.2 (talk) 03:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Message to Zazaban and Shomorok about cooperation to improve the AI-Wiki-page

As you well know, the AI-Wiki-page is once more deleted, this time by Bjweeks on a request from Hoary. I have written to them at their talkpages about cooperation to achieve an AI-Wiki-page that has general Wiki-consent, before publishing it again. Copies of these messages are on my talk page. Take a look at them. As AI is the largest anarchist-network in the world, it of course should have a Wiki-page. I invite you all to contribute to a better AI-Wiki-page for later publishing. This time so good that it will not be deleted by anyone.

(Anna Quist (talk) 16:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC))

Anarchist sources

Yo, sorry I wasn't a little clearer, but the Anarchism reliable sources guidelines are supposed to tell the reader in no uncertain terms what should be sourced (i.e. "You can source X in circumstances Y" rather than "X should be ok"). There needs to be a justification on the talkpage about why the source meets WP:RS. I'm not sure about Libcom as they seem to allow users to post without going through editors and don't fully name the authors of a lot of their content. I don't know about their reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, but your word is good enough on that. Can you clarify on the talkpage? Mahalo, Skomorokh 21:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

To all members of the Anarchist Task Force - about improvement of the AI-Wiki-page

I have just joined the Anarchist Task Force, and I have had some problems with publishing of my Anarchist International Wikipedia page, see my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Quist/Anarchist_International for the present version/proposal. This page needs improvements to reach Wiki-consensus, and this should be a somewhat collective project to avoid a "COI"-template. As I am new to editing here on Wikipedia I need help with the page, I hope for your cooperation with this improvement. As an introduction to this cooperation, feel free to read this note on my talk page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anna_Quist#Message_to_all_anarchists_on_Wikipedia_-_Anarchy_is_cooperation_without_coercion.2Fdestruction.2Fdeletion_-_about_the_deletion_of_the_AI-Wiki-page_and_cooperation_to_achieve_an_updated_AI-page_with_general_Wiki-consent .

Any contribution, matter of fact criticism, to give input and advice, or even contribute to new sections, will be helpful, and is much appreciated. Please join in the project...

(Anna Quist (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC))

Re: User talk:Antiedman

I'm afraid I'm not an admin, just a member of the CVU. I recommend you report him at WP:ANI, he obviously doesn't realise we're serious about the block-thing, he could really benefit from a brief one. Good luck! +Hexagon1 ^(t) 03:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Stop this ochlarchic nonsense!

I am asking you to stop this ochlarchist behaviour. I will ask you to stop these lies and smearstories about AI, or else you will be trialed by the International Anarchist Tribunal, and get an expelling Brown Card from the IAT on Internet for ochlarchical, authoritarian behaviour, see http://www.anarchy.no/iat.html . AI-members, including networkmembers/subscribers, are significantly the only real anarchists in the world. AI has about 50 000 anarchists associated to the network, see http://www.anarchy.no/pictures.html . There are not so many other anarchists around. There is only a few libertarians outside AI that are real anarchists. Hoever there are plenty of marxists and liberalists that wrongly pose as anarchists, you are among them.

See also http://www.anarchy.no/ija338.html .

~ Anna Quist