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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 13, 2022.

Ukrainian Orthodox Church

• Ukrainian Orthodox Church → History of Christianity in Ukraine#Eastern Orthodox  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

retarget to Ukrainian Orthodox Church (disambiguation) per [1] @Veverve: Heanor (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense. Mikalra (talk) 20:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Liz: Is there a reason this shouldn't be closed as retarget (or, rather, that the DAB page shouldn't be moved to this title per WP:DABNAME)? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 23:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. The situation is fine as it is. The current target details the 2 most obvious meanings and has a hatnote to the disambiguation page which lists the others (and more besides, but that's a different problem). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Pinocchio: A True Story

• Pinocchio: A True Story → Pinocchio (disambiguation)#Film and television productions and characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Preemptive creation of an article as a redirect to a disambiguation page, which defeats the purposes of an article, a redirect, and disambiguation. Nardog (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Retarget: I made the redirect for those looking for info about the film in the Wiki. However a disambiguation page redirect may not be the best, so what I can do is specify more on the section that does mention the film on Pinocchio and redirect there instead. Iamnoahflores (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. And delete the entry at the disambiguation page (MOS:DABMENTION). If this film becomes notable, it can have an article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Danny Woodrow

• Danny Woodrow → Detroit Tigers minor league players#Danny Woodrow  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Never played MLB, and has been released by Detroit's AA affiliate, so no longer on list. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Maan Kunwari

• Maan Kunwari → Mariam-uz-Zamani  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Princess of Amber → Mariam-uz-Zamani  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I wish to nominate Maan Kunwari for deletion and Princess of Amber for either deletion or conversion to Disambiguation page. Mariam-uz-Zamani was not refer to as Maan Kunwari but as Heer Kunwari or so. And Mariam-uz-Zamani wasn't the only princess of Amber (former state of Jaipur), at least one other princess of Amber has an Wikipedia page. It does not seem right to associate "princess of Amber" with one lady but only two Princess of Amber has seem to have Wikipedia articles. I request to turn this redirect to a disambiguation page or delete it.
Manavati (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Agree about turning Princess of Amber (which I created as a redirect) into a disambig page if there is more than one existing WP page. Dsp13 (talk) 17:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Penis cola

• Penis cola → Peniscola  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Useless and highly unlikely redirect Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Somewhat reluctant weak keep. Google results (alt with sex links filtered out) show that, while many usages of this phrase are in dirty jokes (some related to Peniscola, some coincidental), there is some apparently legitimate confusion [2] [3] [4] [5], and this is generally a plausible mishearing for someone hearing the name "Peniscola" aloud, especially if it's being pronounced by a non-Spanish speaker. However, some usage of the phrase seems to be in mocking reference of Pensacola, Florida, rather than Peniscola, Spain [6] [7], decreasing the search utility here. Although Peniscola already does have a hatnote to its Floridian soundalike (fun fact: etymologically unrelated despite the latter having been colonized by the Spanish). -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 17:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep as {{R from incorrect spacing}} (rcat that presently redirects to {{R from misspelling}}) per Tamzin's analysis. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Chief Pastors

• Chief Pastors → List of chief pastors of the Pentecostal Mission  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No articles seem to link to it. Indeed, almost nothing links to its target. Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Dabify it seems to be a term for a religion's spiritual head. Wiki search says the Pope is the chief pastor of the Catholic Church while Iglesia Filipina Independiente National Cathedral says that the Supreme Bishop is their chief pastor. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete as vague and ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus

• Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus → Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect has arisen due to a recent effort to assign a WP:POV title to Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. It is well-established by scholars that the situation was nothing like a "genocide". (Sumantra Bose points out that 32 Hindus were apparently killed, in targeted assassinations.) There is currently an avalanche of edit requests at Talk:Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus asking for the page to mention a supposed "genocide". The POV title was also used during the editing of the page on The Kashmir Files, and the redirect linked from it. I think this redirect is too prejudicial and should be deleted. Kautilya3 (talk) 15:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC) Another diff added. Kautilya3 (talk) 17:03, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

As this redirect is fully protected, I've filed an edit request to tag it. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 16:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Taken care of _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• KEEP This redirect should be KEPT because multiple recent Reliable Sources such as Hindustan Times have referred to this as Genocide instead of Exodus. Please find few sources below. Old Scholarly hegemony cannot be used as perpetual consensus on Wiki, which must reflect recent reliable sources, as per WP:RS

• Delete Delete pursuant to nomination. All scholars use either "exodus" or "migration" or "internal displacement" to describe the condemnable events. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete absent mention. If a large number of people feel, even incorrectly, that this was a genocide, then that should be discussed in the article (with due weight). Footnotes 21 and 34, both citing page 23 of "A departure from history: Kashmiri Pandits, 1990–2001" by Alexander Evans, support the idea that this is a noteworthy if incorrect perspective. However, so long as the article does not discuss this perspective at any length, there should not be a non-neutral redirect of this sort, as, absent context clarifying such redirects' non-neutrality, they risk putting misstatements in the encyclopedia's voice. See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 5 § Gaza genocide and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 20 § Gaza Holocaust. If the article does come to cover this perspective, this should be recreated, probably refined to an appropriate section within the article. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 18:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is beholden to reliable sources, and in controversial subject areas scholarly tertiary sources (See WP:SOURCETYPES and WP:TERTIARY). The most widely-used scholarly textbook on modern Indian history is: Barbara D. Metcalf and Thomas R. Metcalf's A Concise History of Modern India, Cambridge, 2006. says, "The Hindu Pandits, a small but influential elite community who had secured a favorable position, first under the maharajas and then under the successive Congress governments, ... felt under siege as the uprising gathered force. Upwards of 100,000 of approximately 140,000 left the state during the early 1990s; their cause was quickly taken up by the Hindu right. As the government sought to locate ‘suspects’ and weed out Pakistani ‘infiltrators’, the entire population was subjected to a fierce repression. By the end of the 1990s, the Indian military presence had escalated to approximately one soldier or paramilitary policeman for every five Kashmiris, and some 30,000 people had died in the conflict." It does not mention any genocide of Hindus, only the deaths of 30,000 Muslims at the hands of the Indian security forces. @Tamzin: has misunderstood due weight. I urge them to read WP:TERTIARY. Alexander Evans is not a tertiary source. We don't determine consensus or the lack thereof and then attempt in our own way to quantify it; only scholarly tertiary sources do that. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

  My view is simply that, if there's a fringe view popular enough that many people are coming to Wikipedia to promote it, it probably should be mentioned somewhere. Part of our encyclopedic mission is documenting misconceptions. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 15:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks for clarifying. True, but it would still be better if the tertiary sources say that or something to that effect; e.g. if the Metcalfs had said, "their cause was quickly taken up by the Hindu right which characterized the exodus to be a genocide," or somesuch. There probably are such sources. Will look later. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  I think something like this from "Narratives from exile: Kashmiri Pandits and their constructions of the past," which is Mridu Rai's chapter in Kashmir and the Future of South Asia edited by Sugata Bose and Ayesha Jalal, Routledge, 2020: Among those who stayed on is Sanjay Tickoo who heads the Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti (Committee for the Kashmiri Pandits’ Struggle). He had experienced the same threats as the Pandits who left. Yet, though admitting ‘intimidation and violence’ directed at Pandits and four massacres since 1990, he rejects as ‘propaganda’ stories of genocide or mass murder that Pandit organizations outside the Valley have circulated. For all that, Tickoo does not peddle myths of some utopia of communal harmony between Muslims and Pandits existing now or before 1989. He speaks of a distinct embittering of relations between the two communities when the insurgency began. ‘And these shifting sentiments’, he says, ‘were used by politicians on both sides, helping to stoke fear among the Hindu minority’. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• An Exodus with the hallmark events of a Genocide and Holocaust like events, victims and witnesses of which are still alive needs to be called our as a genocide. Nayan576 (talk) 10:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  Nayan576 (talk · contribs) Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope your stay will be enjoyable. How many Kashmiri Pandits were there in the valley and how many were killed by Muslim separatist groups? In the real Holocaust 6 million Jews were murdered; in the Romani genocide of the Gypsy/Roma people (who had originally migrated to Europe from India) 130,000 to 500,000 were murdered; in the Armenian genocide up to 1.5 million; and in the Cambodian genocide between 1.5 million and 2 million. So again: how many Kashmir pandits were there in the Kashmir valley and how many were murdered by the Muslims? Unless you have watertight scholarly tertiary sources supporting your view, you are using the word "holocaust" lightly, and the inclusion of the edits you propose will be violating WP policy. This is because using "Holocaust" lightly is a form of Holocaust denial. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete – inappropriate per WP:RNEUTRAL, as a non-neutral unestablished name (see point #3 and exceptions). Jr8825 • Talk 12:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom & WP:RNEUTRAL. _{دَستخَط،} اِفلاق ^{(کَتھ باتھ)} 14:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete appears to be part of a NPOV push. There doesn't appear to be reliable sources for its use. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmission∆ °co-ords° 15:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - The word genocide has been used for this event by at least two reliable sources that I can find, The Times of India and The Hindu. It is a very likely search term from many people looking for this article.--NØ 18:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Molinos en ritmo

• Molinos en ritmo → Cuban Dance Party  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No such term on the target, unable to find more suitable target. Presently no assistance to navigation. Richhoncho (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: misleading. Veverve (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep: Molinos en ritmo was the 4-track sampler (EP) of the album, see e.g. here. The ideal target would be Bebo Valdés discography, which does not exist yet. Neodop (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Neodop. If you wish to add that information to the album article I am happy to withdraw the nomination, but to redirect a reader to a page where there is no relevant information, is not assistance to navigation, but a blind alley. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Indie jazz

• Indie jazz → Really From  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The label of "indie jazz" does not appear to be unique to Really From, with one source describing and indie jazz scene in Chicago and additional print sources covering the genre, such as Ross, Jon. "Kickstarter Becomes Crucial Funding Source For Indie Jazz Projects." DOWN BEAT 78.5 (2011): 14-14. While I'm uncertain whether there's enough coverage to write a standalone article about indie jazz, I think that it's misleading to have the redirect point to a single band when there is clearly RS coverage of other groups in this genre. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: If there is enough sources to turn indie (rock) jazz into an article, then I propose it should be done and the redirect removed.Moline1 (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

  Well, the issue is that it's not currently clear if there's enough for the genre to have an article, but there are enough sources to establish that the term does not unambiguously refer to Really From's oeuvre. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

ŘČS

• ŘČS → Czechoslovakia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from nonexistent acronym. The name "republika československa", apparently in use from 1918 to 1920 and meaning "republic of Czechoslovakia", could be abbreviated RČS but never ŘČS. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and 61 all-time page views - not a plausible misspelling. eviolite (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

DXJJ

• DXJJ → Bombo Radyo Philippines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target, an internet search did not turn up any information connecting this call sign to the target radio network. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 18:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete can't find anything on this station either. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Angelic Pope

• Angelic Pope → Pope Peter II  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Angelic Pope figure and the name Peter II are unrelated. Furthermore, there is no mention of "Angelic Pope" at the target.
The Angelic pope "appears in medieval apocalyptic literature as one who will inaugurate a new Church and a new world, of perfect sanctity" (source).
I think this redirect should be deleted, as it is misleading and per WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 10:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete to encourage article creation. This prophecy seems to be associated with Joachim of Fiore. Maybe a future article can be made for this figure. --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Talkquote

• Talkquote → Template:Talk quote block  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The mainspace and the rest of Wikipedia should be kept separated as much as possible. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 10:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. Template:Talkquote exists, meaning that to use this redirect in a template one would have to type an extra character (a leading colon) to achieve the same result. Meanwhile this isn't the kind of content template or even major project template that it might make sense to point people to. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. No reason for this cross namespace redirect. Gonnym (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete this unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Iocane

• Iocane → The Princess Bride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Iocane powder → The Princess Bride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'd like to request two things:

1. Clarification. The target page does not mention "iocane", so it's unclear why the redirects occur.
2. Avoid redirecting to a disambiguation page.

Context: I came across the term "iocane" on the WWW and assumed that it was a chemical; looking it up on Wikipedia I was instead redirected to The Princess Bride. Presumably the term "iocane" is connected to this book/movie, but the connection remains unclear.

I generally feel that if a redirect occurs the target page should at least mention the redirected term. Thanks, 188.108.215.90 (talk) 08:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. + WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 09:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget to The Princess Bride (novel), which mentions the substance. (The Princess Bride (film) does not.) See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iocaine and the RFD for the misspelled version, Iocaine. - Eureka Lott 17:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget both to The Princess Bride (novel)#Plot where it is mentioned, to make consistent with Iocaine. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Fifre

• Fifre → Fife (instrument)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fiffaro → Fife (instrument)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

French and Italian WP:RLOTE; can't find a particular connection with the target. eviolite (talk) 04:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

An alternative is to redirect Fifre to The Fifer, a painting called Le Fifre in its native French. eviolite (talk) 05:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Tax the rich

• Tax the rich → Progressive tax  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possibly NPOV as a rallying cry in american politics - I don't think it strictly meets CSD3, and I can't PROD, so here you guys go. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 04:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Keep, mentioned at target. Whether it's POV or not doesn't matter. 114.125.94.129 (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment, I think the political slogan has received enough attention to warrant a section (just look at the articles about AOCs Met gala dress), made the redirect after noticing it didn't exist yet and this article seemed like the best fit. Will probably expand it later. jonas (talk) 14:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL. Even though the redirect's title is POV, the article redirects to a more neutral title. Also, the slogan itself may be notable, and could be expanded into an article, per Jonas1015119.2601:647:5800:1A1F:3D52:22A2:17BC:5FC (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• DABify. There are a number of very similar proposals that tax the rich, but this slogan is not exclusively used in the context of a vague progressive tax. The slogan has been used in advocacy for a Financial transaction tax and is eerily similar to the Soak The Rich slogan, which redirects to a different location. “Tax the rich” is also used in contexts that don’t relate to the concept of a progressive tax—in the USA, the term is used in some circumstances to advocate for stricter enforcement of tax evasion laws, which is a different concept entirely than a progressive tax in and of itself. The redirect could also be used to point to wealth tax, which seems to be at least one concrete way in which the slogan is consistently used. Dabification would be the most prudent thing to do, since the slogan appears in multiple contexts and there is no one primary use thereof. — Mhawk10 (talk) 18:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Keep, as "Tax the Rich" is a motto for the progressive taxing movement, and is a very plausible searh term. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• DABify per Mhawk10. Veverve (talk) 09:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. All taxes or tax proposals that this could reference are progressive taxes, and disambiguation could never be exhaustive. Unless there is something like List of progressive taxes or similar, the target seems appropriate, and anyone searching the term will find at least some relevant information. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Cyclus (geometry)

• Cyclus (geometry) → Turn (angle)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm a bit confused here. I can't find any instances of the term "cyclus" being used in geometry in any language, at least from Google Books and other sources. There's this etymological dictionary that indicates a circle or the revolution of a celestial object, which is I guess is similar to "turn" but seems really obscure/archaic and is likely more astronomy-related than geometry. There's also this, which uses it in a German quote that seems to mean something like "the [cycle] of my work in the field of analytical geometry is complete", not related to angles at all. Of note is that the dab page Cyclus does not mention this either, nor does the Turn (angle) article in all of the languages I checked. eviolite (talk) 04:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. The term "cyclus" does seem to be used for something related to angles at https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/icec/536 but that's only one publication and the meaning appears to be somewhat different. I don't think that single usage justifies this redirect. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. Most probably this is nothing new to you, but since it hasn't been mentioned yet, cyclus is Latin for cycle. At least in Europe, Latin was the lingua franca of sciences, including mathematics, therefore Latin terms are often of historical relevance in many science contexts even if they are not widely used any more. I weakly remember that I have seen this term being used to describe the equivalent of a full angle in an old book, but unfortunately don't remember which book it was exactly. However, it is a reasonable redirect, abbreviations cyc. or cyl. (although today derived from cycle) are in the article. So, for as long as it isn't confused with another topic or is in the way of another article, keep per WP:RKEEP #3 #5 #6. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Hit ratio

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy delete – WP:CSD#G6 (obviously created in error). – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 15:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Draft:Hit ratio → Hit ratio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Double redirect created from a page move, should be deleted —CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ]  [ CONT ]} 04:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per the spirit of G7. For redirects created as a result of a page move, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages before the move. That's technically not met here, since others had contributed to the redirect at Hit ratio before you turned it into a draft, changed your mind, and moved it back to mainspace... but the spirit of "the only substantive contributor" is clearly met. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 05:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, short-lived draft that didn't serve its purpose. Jay (talk) 06:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Beffroi

• Beffroi → Belfry  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary WP:RLOTE from French; either delete or possibly redirect to Belfries of Belgium and France (the only term on the dab page relevant to the Francosphere), though the latter does not list the French name of the site at all in prose. eviolite (talk) 04:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Weak retarget to Belfry (architecture), which has an extensive etymology section that mentions beffroi. That said, it probably shouldn't have that long an etymology section, and this isn't that plausible a search term, hence the weakness of this !vote. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Mammoth tank

• Mammoth tank → Command & Conquer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete - not mentioned in main article and fictional cruft. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 11:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Very kick ass unit but has no significant bearing in real life and in the game's lore--Lenticel ^(talk) 00:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget to Panzer VIII Maus, a real-life tank that had the codename Mammoth, per our article -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Modding (Command & Conquer)

• Modding (Command & Conquer) → Command & Conquer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Disambiguation makes no sense, not a believable redirect that people could be looking for. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete, "modding" does not appear at target. There is no Modding (disambiguation) and other articles for video game modding of specific games do not use parenthetical disambiguation either, such as Grand Theft Auto modding or Doom modding. The analogous Modding in Command & Conquer does not presently exist. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Keep, this is an {{R from move}} that was at this title for a few weeks in 2007 before being moved to Modding of Command & Conquer, which was then redirected to the main article per an AfD in 2009. I am not sure if there was ever any mention of modding at the target, but we should just leave these redirects per the consensus of the AfD. If someone felt strongly otherwise, I think both redirects should be considered together to reach a new consensus. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mdewman6: The other redirect contains the entire article history, although it was entirely WP:OR even at the time. This redirect both has no history to speak of nor makes sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, 3 weeks is long enough to collect external links, so we generally keep such redirects from moves. Usually there is no benefit in deletion of such redirects, and if there were content about modding at the target, this redirect would be just fine. The problem here is that in spite of the AfD outcome over a decade ago, there is currently no content at the target. But that's more a question for how to handle the other redirect with the page history. I think as long as that one stays, this one should just be left alone. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I disagree with Mdewman6's arguments. Veverve (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)