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Could someone with access edit the description of Ken Livingstone, where he is named the "Former Mayor of the City of London"? He was Mayor of London, not Lord Mayor of London. Thanks. WhistonTom (talk) 13:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thank you for pointing that out. –CWenger (^ • @) 15:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 July 2023

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Criticism of the Israeli government → Criticism of Israel – The current name is not reflective of realities. The article content refers to criticism of the whole of the state of Israel: its government, judiciary and parliament. It does not exclusively refer to criticism of the government. Moreover, current title implies there is the same government that is being criticized, ignoring the frequent government changes in Israel over the past decades, from left to right to far-right, etc.. And most importantly, "criticism of Israel" is the most common name in online sources, "criticism of the Israeli government" does not even come close. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have the impression that many just use "Israel" as a shortform for "Israeli government". And the sources reflect the tendentious argument that "criticism of Israel" is anti-Semitic. However, I understand the intention, maybe Criticism of Israel and its government might work? Along the lines of https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-democracy-erodes-its-government-delegitimizes-criticism/ which hops back and forth between the two.Selfstudier (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands it would be appear to be consistent with Criticism of the United States government. I've struggled to find other analogous pages, but I guess the reason for the wording is that the government has the agency. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:13, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article also contains information about judicial system, which is separate from the government. Also the Knesset which has formulated some of the discriminatory laws. On the other hand, the Criticism of the United States government article focuses exclusively on the government, as seen from the subsection "government structure". Makeandtoss (talk) 08:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. Yes, it might be overly precise in the context here. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. This article is about criticism of Israel as a whole, not just its government—although it's sometimes difficult to separate the two. O.N.R. ^(talk) 21:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I can't believe it isn't that already. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. The Israeli system of government includes its government, judiciary and parliament. I think that Criticism of the Israeli government is the more precise title, as it avoids any unnecessary antisemitic connotations that could arise if readers think that Criticism of Israel includes criticism of Israelis. — Freoh 17:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article contains and should contain plenty of criticism of Israelis, particularly settlers, which is not "antisemitic" in any way or form. Settlements are illegal under International law. Settler outposts are illegal under Israeli law. Settler violence and terrorism are illegal and immoral. I fail to see how criticisms of these crimes is considered "antisemitic".

In political science, the "state" is the executive, judiciary and legislative branches. The "government system" is how it operates. The article contents are not exclusively about the Israeli government, the executive branch as the name implies. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Much of the criticism can be said to stem from an existential debate on the very concept of Jewish homeland, where "criticism of the [...] government" would imply that debates are limited to concerns with the current incarnation of the Israeli government alone Orchastrattor (talk) 16:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support: The contents of the page do not appear to be particularly government focused, and I don't see any particularly reason to oppose the move. The page is also presently not that internally consistent with one section beginning "Criticism of Israel ..." without the government, so there's also that. The scope seems ostensibly broader. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the record the original name of this article was "Criticism of Israel", but it was changed 12 years ago resulting from the discussion at an AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of Israel. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]