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A fact from Say Anything (BoJack Horseman) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 May 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that for an episode of BoJack Horseman, the production team added a cardboard cutout of the title character after Netflix said it did not feature him enough?

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that for an episode of BoJack Horseman after Netflix noted to production that it did not feature BoJack Horseman enough, they added a cardboard cutout of him? Source: From Entertainment Tonight [1] Quote from creator and showrunner of BoJack Horseman: "Netflix was originally hesitant about that. There was some debate about how dark this show is. You know, what can this show be? Is it just a comedy? Is it just about BoJack? Originally, there was less of BoJack in it, and one way to sway Netflix is we went back in and we made it much more about BoJack. And we made sure every act ends on a BoJack beat.
Then, we also had this idea that BoJack brings in this cardboard version of himself into Princess Carolyn's office. That was like our subliminal way to make BoJack feel more present in the episode. Even when he wasn't there, there'd be this cardboard cutout of him. It's like a tongue-in-cheek way to attack a note, but it actually does help. I think it does feel like a BoJack episode because BoJack is there in the background saying a Jerry Maguire quote whenever anyone walks by." This is further expanded on the creator commentary of the episode: [2] 8:20 - 9:10>
- ALT1: ... that for an episode of BoJack Horseman after Netflix noted to production that it did not feature BoJack Horseman enough, they added a cardboard cutout version of him? Source: From Entertainment Tonight [3] Quote from creator and showrunner of BoJack Horseman: "Netflix was originally hesitant about that. There was some debate about how dark this show is. You know, what can this show be? Is it just a comedy? Is it just about BoJack? Originally, there was less of BoJack in it, and one way to sway Netflix is we went back in and we made it much more about BoJack. And we made sure every act ends on a BoJack beat.
  Then, we also had this idea that BoJack brings in this cardboard version of himself into Princess Carolyn's office. That was like our subliminal way to make BoJack feel more present in the episode. Even when he wasn't there, there'd be this cardboard cutout of him. It's like a tongue-in-cheek way to attack a note, but it actually does help. I think it does feel like a BoJack episode because BoJack is there in the background saying a Jerry Maguire quote whenever anyone walks by." This is further expanded on the creator commentary of the episode: [4] 8:20 - 9:10
- Comment: QPQ exempt fewer than five articles nominated

Converted from a redirect by Spy-cicle (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Full review to follow, but I think the hooks are a bit hard to read. The hook fact is about the staff of BoJack Horseman adding a cardboard cutout of BoJack, but it isn't really articulated well in the hook. Maybe move the mention of the cardboard cutout to the start? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:59, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Is this wording any clearer? Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 09:57, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT2... that for an episode of BoJack Horseman, production added a cardboard cutout of BoJack Horseman after Netflix said it did not feature him enough?

I've added a comma to ALT2 but other than that I think ALT2 reads a lot better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: So is ALT2 wording fine for now? Does that mean we can move onto a full review? Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 19:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article was new enough at the time of the nomination and is adequately source. No close paraphrasing was found. No QPQ needed. The only issue is that the reference for the hook fact comes not after the actual sentence discussing the cardboard cut-out but rather the following sentence; the reference needs to be duplicated for DYK purposes. ALT2 is the best phrasing of the hook so that's the one we'll go with (although I do wonder if the second mention of "BoJack Horseman" could be changed to either "Bojack", "the title character", or simply "him"). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3... that for an episode of BoJack Horseman, production added a cardboard cutout of the title character after Netflix said it did not feature him enough?
- @Narutolovehinata5: I have added the extra cites needed in Production. I have a linked to the character article in ALT2 and have replaced "BoJack Horseman" with "the title character" in ALT3 (though does make it slightly longer). Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 11:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I think we're good to go with ALT3. I do have some minor MOS:BLUE concerns with the hook, but if anyone else has an issue with them they can be worked out during promotion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Say Anything (BoJack Horseman)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: AryKun (talk · contribs) 11:02, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Link bender.
Done
"and the title character with" → "and for the title character, with" also
Done
Link bourbon.
Done
Link Cate Blanchett.
Done
"series. Lawson has written" → "series; Lawson has subsequently also written"
Changed to "series; Lawson has subsequently written other Bojack Horseman episodes, such as" (felt the also was redundant)
"theme, instead it is replaced with 'Impossible'" → "theme, instead playing 'Impossible'"
Done
"perspective which Netflix" → "perspective, which Netflix"
Done
"Bojack to in" → "Bojack to be in"
Done
"of The A.V. Club in a" → "of The A.V. Club, in a"
Done
'and "Say Anything" gets' → Say Anything should be in single quotes as it's already part of a quote.
Done
The last three paragraphs of Reception should all be merged into one para.
Done
References are all reliable and consistently formatted.

@AryKun: Thank you very much for the review. I have responded above and made the respective changes. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 20:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I can't see any other issues and will be passing the article. AryKun (talk) 05:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]