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Latest Reveting of Article Tamil Eelam
{{editprotected}} I saw one user, Pearll's sun had undone without any discussion many previous revisions, which were based on current discussions among many in the discussion page just before the edit protection enforced. Edits he has undon and and are being discussed in talk page have addressed the issues:
1. Not mentioning of unrecognized status of Tamil Eelam compared to similar other articles State of Palestine, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Somaliland,Transnistria, Abkhazia, Northern Cyprus, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, South Ossetia). Instead putting up a lay out misleading the reader to think it is an exsisting state. 2. Inclusion of main inforbox, flag and a map based on pure researches of the editor or unverifiable sources (e.g. TamilNet) against WP:VERIFY.
Please look into this and reverse this very last unexplained undoing of dozens of revisions to an early revision.
--Ranilb5 (talk) 00:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
- ✗ Not done I don't see any conclusion in the discussions regarding this matter on this talk page. Also, you'll need to provide reliable sources for this. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 07:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
article cleaning !
removed the info about the LTTE which is not required in the caption of the article . --Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 06:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
NO ancient Tamil name for Sri Lanka called Eelam!
Statement in this article "The name is derived from the ancient Tamil name for Sri Lanka, Eelam." is a distortion of history.
It is surprising why such statements were not verified and corrected. There are NO reasonable historically worth evidence to refer Sri Lanka as Elam in Tamil or any other language.
Verifiable Historical Evidence to prove, Elam referred elsewhere, and not Sri Lanka:
1. In Rig Veda, the sunken land of Ilam of the Tamils, is called Kumari Kandam (The Virgin-Land). Refer: South Indian Origins of Vedic Agni
2. Elam was an ancient civilization located in what is now southwest Iran. Refer: Elamo-Dravidian , Elamite language , List of rulers of Elam
Therefore, Tamil Eelam concept referring to Sri Lanka has no roots and an intentional distortion of history.
I wish, rest of the online literature on Tamil Eelam lies be corrected by the same [organization] diasporas, responsible for posting them.
Reply to: Lakshan Bandara —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fonsidream (talk • contribs) 21:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello Lakshan Bandara. I can show you one of the old inscription von Rajanedra Chola from Kolar, Karnataka in the 11th Centuary. To show you, that Ilam or Eelam is a tamil name for the whole Island. The Word "Tamil Eelam" is a neologism from the 70's from the day of revolution started...
“ | ..the crown of the king of Ilam(Ceylon), and the more beautiful crown of his queen; the beautiful crown and the necklace of Indra, which the king of the south (the Pandya) had previously surrendered to the kings of Ilam; the whole of Ilamandalam surrounded by the clear sea;..[1] |
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I reffer with your name Bandara, that you are a sinhala-brother... how many tamil language knowledge you have? Let us live in Peace...as Sinhala, tamil or muslims.... EELAM = TAPROBANE = LANKAPURI = ILANKAI = LANKA = CEYLON = SRI LANKA are all names for the wonderful island.... let us share this beautyfull Island!--Tamilstyle (talk) 08:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Renewing Tamil Eelam
I have reordered the structure of this article. Before it was a chaotic article.
We can expand the geography and create a demography section. In Geography, the facts about Climate and forest or something would be good.--Tamilstyle (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hi! The infobox was removed previously from the article as including it would violate WP:NPOV.
- Also, I have a problem with a lot of the material contained within. Tamil Eelam is a non-existent entity. It has been proposed in various forms over the last 40 or so years, and has remained proposal only. So saying Trinco is the capital, Tamil is the official language etc is WP:OR as something that has never existed cannot have a capital or an official language or a time zone.
- And the flag, do you have a citation for it? The only Flag of Tamil Eelam I'm familiar with is the old LTTE flag. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 10:36, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Puttalam is not part of Tamil Eelam
Vaddukodai Resolution said only Northern and Eastern Provinces. The LTTE in their final call said only Northern and Eastern Provinces (ISGA). This stamp they did in 1983 doesn't include it either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tamil_eelam_stamp.jpg The TNA today represents the Northern and Eastern Provinces. Puttalam is never included.
Regards, BLK
- 1976 - TULF's Vaddukoddai Resolution only claims the Northern and Eastern provinces for Tamil Eelam but it does mention that historically Tamils lived on land north of Chilaw (i.e. Puttalam District).
- 1977 - TULF election manifesto claims "the territory stretching in the western sea-hoard from Chilaw through Puttalam to Mannar and thence to the Northern Regions and in the East, Trincomalee and also the Batticaloa Regions that extended southwards up to Kumana or to the northern banks of the river Kumbukkan Oya" as Tamil Eelam.
- 1990s/2000s - All maps of Tamil Eelam produced by the LTTE include Puttalam District.
- 2003 - The ISGA proposals by the LTTE doesn't mention Tamil Eelam, it only deals with power sharing. The fact it only mentions the Northern and Eastern provinces is irrelevant.
- 2010 - TNA drops demand for independent state, so the fact it's only active in the Northern and Eastern provinces is irrelevant.
- 2012 - The Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam, one of the last organisations to campaign for an independent Tamil Eelam, includes Puttalam District in their logo.
- Please remember that as an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia should include historic records, not just what is happening on the ground today. In the past TULF/LTTE have claimed Puttalam District to be a part of Tamil Eelam. Today the chances of achieving an independent Tamil Eelam, with or without Puttalam District, are nil. This really isn't worth having a dispute about.--obi2canibetalk contr 21:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- I understand where you're coming from, but the concept of Tamil Eelam is a current issue and not simply a historical one. Many people especially Indians and others look to this article to understand which areas are of Tamil majority. It would be misleading then to include Puttalam because it's not an area of contention on the ground -- be it during the TULF era, the LTTE era or the current TNA era. I was motivated to correct the map after seeing a picture of a large print out of it being used at a Indian function.
- On 1976 -- the areas they claim are the only ones that are pertinent.
1977 -- this refers to the areas that the Dutch considered the Tamil areas; it is a historical reference simply put. 1990s/2000s - Most of the maps that come up on google search seem to be independent user generated ones and not ones that can be tied directly to the LTTE. The stamp seems to be the only one attributed directly to the LTTE. 2012 -- Transnational Government in their manifesto demand only the Northern and Eastern portions. Further it hasn't been directly elected by a majority of the Tamil people as their representative nor has it any power over any of the areas claimed (like the LTTE). In my opinion, the logo was designed based upon the Wikipedia image and thus is incorrect.
Regards, --BlueLotusLK (talk) 00:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)