[Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

[Dan Rosenthal]

Why should they? The IRC channels are unofficial. Just because the  
foundation chooses to utilize them, does not make them official.

-Dan Rosenthal
On Nov 12, 2007, at 2:25 PM, White Cat wrote:

> So you are saying freenode staffers lie? They told me to contact the
> foundation should I have problems resolving the issue with the
> wikimedia contacts. There needs to be a backup system and I am seeking
> the establishment of it.
>
> Do you remember the chaos stemming from the Essjay controversy? He was
> (to my knowledge) the IRC contact at the time. I seriously doubt
> similar problems will surface with JamesF or seanw but should
> something happen where would people go?
>
> The foundation should be prepared for such situations.
>
>         - White Cat
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 8:29 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 2007 7:15 PM, White Cat  
>> <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> OTRS? Under whose directive do the have greater authority than
>>> wikimedia contacts? They certainly are not the right address for  
>>> such
>>> issues.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>>
>>> I already explained this issue cannot be resolved on IRC JamesF is
>>> busy. Seanw may help but this issue probably exceeded his deputy  
>>> role
>>> as a deputy contact.
>>>
>>
>> How so?
>>
>>> My complaint isn't over the specific issue involving me. We have a
>>> large gap between the foundation and the wikimedia contacts. If  
>>> users
>>> have problems with wikimedia contacts or if the wikimedia  
>>> contacts are
>>> not available for whatever the reason I should be able to resolve  
>>> the
>>> issue somehow. Right now thats the gap and the point of this  
>>> inquiry.
>>>
>> The issue is that the foundation has declined and (to my knowledge)
>> further declines to become involved with IRC by officialising the
>> current inofficial 'Wikimedia' group on Freenode. You can like  
>> this or
>> not, but as long as the foundation is not involved with this,
>> foundation-l is the wrong place to discuss it. Full stop.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>>        - White Cat
>>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2007 7:59 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 12, 2007 6:53 PM, Comet styles <cometstyles at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing  
>>>>> lists but
>>>>> it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in
>>>>> which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it,  
>>>>> take
>>>>> it to OTRS.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with everything up to the last point. How and why on earth
>>>> should OTRS people be asked to deal with such things? At least  
>>>> some of
>>>> the OTRS people don't even use IRC and I don't why they, as  
>>>> Wikimedia
>>>> Support Team, should become involved with intra-community issues...
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat  
>>>>> <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Where am I supposed to post it then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - White Cat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com>  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that  
>>>>>>>> particular IRC
>>>>>>>> channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically,  
>>>>>>>> and this
>>>>>>>> incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic  
>>>>>>>> category, I
>>>>>>>> suppose ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my  
>>>>>>>> opinion about
>>>>>>>> that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> KIZU Naoko
>>>>>>>> Wikiquote <http://wikiquote.org> is a free online project  
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>>>>>>>> WQ:QOTD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes this is SO offtopic:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/ 
>>>>>>> 030884.html
>>>>>>>
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