Updates on storage standards
As he has in some previous editions of the Linux Storage, Filesystem, Memory-Management, and BPF Summit (LSFMM+BPF), Fred Knight gave an update on the status of various storage standards this year. In it, he looked at changes to the NVM Express (NVMe) standards in some detail. He also updated attendees on the fairly small changes that have come to the SCSI (T10) and ATA (T13) standards over the last few years.
He began with a bit of NVMe history. In May 2021, the 2.0 base
specification was released, which split out several pieces of the standard
into their own specifications. In addition to the base specification, there were three command-set
specifications, three transport specifications, and the management-interface specification all released at the same time. Over the next three
years, several revisions were released (2.0a-2.0e) that contained
"corrections and clarifications
" without any new features.
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In August 2024, NVMe 2.1 was released, which incorporated those revisions and added new features. Several of the command-set specifications were revised in the process and two more were added: the computational programs command set and, going along with it, the subsystem local memory command set. The transport and management-interface specifications were revised, as well. A new boot specification was added to describe how NVMe would interface with EFI and the operating systems in order to boot over the network.
The 2.2 base specification had just been ratified earlier in March, Knight said. It had updates for several command-set specifications, the PCIe transport specification, and the boot specification.
Since the time period from August to March was not all that long, he said,
there are not a lot of changes in 2.2; there are just a few technical
proposals (TPs) and clarifications that were approved. TP 4194 for the
base specification was aimed at better describing the scatter-gather list
(SGL) feature; "the goal of this TP was not to change anything
" but
to make some of the assumptions about the interpretation of the existing
specification more concrete. In particular, the validation of entries in
an SGL only needs to be done for those entries that are actually used in
the transfer, not all that are on the list. In addition, the errors that
should be returned for various conditions are now fully described;
"there could have been some confusion on how people interpreted which
error is returned
".
Engineering change notes (ECNs) tend to be clarifications to the specifications, while the TPs are functional changes, he said. The SGL changes added "should" and "shall" language, so those were considered functional changes. Several clarifications to the base specification came with the adoption of ECN 123. The clarification on the interaction between reservations and security send/receive is one that he thought might be of particular interest. The process for reading the boot partition has also changed to eliminate some timing-related problems with some devices.
In the zoned-namespace (ZNS) specification and several others, there is a change to specify all of the opcodes in a command set. Earlier, two commands ended up with the same opcode in the subsystem-local-memory (SLM) specification, which required breaking compatibility by changing the SLM opcode. In order to avoid that kind of problem in the future, ECN 125 changes all of the command sets to list all of the opcodes so there can be no mistaken duplication. In the PCIe transport specification, the eye-opening-measurement feature, which evaluates the signal quality on the bus, that had been added in 2.1 specification was changed for 2.2 to expand the eye data length (EDLEN) field from 16 to 32 bits. The boot specification was clarified to ensure that all of the universally unique IDs (UUIDs) used are specified in all lower case as part of ECN 123.
The T10 committee has been making a few changes to the SCSI specifications,
Knight said. There has been work on the command duration limit (CDL)
feature and on depopulation. The addition of DMTF security protocols and data
models (SPDM) support is perhaps the most interesting part, he said.
It will allow authentication between the host and the device, "so you
can establish a secure channel and know that you're talking to the right
device, not an impostor
". The same set of features is being worked
on for the ATA command-set (ACS) standards, he said, though there is also some work
being done on resetting all of the write pointers at once for zoned-storage
devices.
Knight closed by noting that the increased frequency of NVMe releases is
intentional. More than three years elapsed between 2.0 and 2.1, so there
were a lot of changes that required a great deal of work for the community
to put it together. So, it has been decided that the committee will be
releasing smaller, more frequent versions, "so that they're easier to
digest, easier to understand, and easier to follow
". The 2.2 release
is the first and the hope is that more will be coming soon.
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Posted Apr 1, 2025 21:33 UTC (Tue)
by dankamongmen (subscriber, #35141)
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this is pretty cool! i'd worked with some computational memory experimental hardware, but hadn't seen any kind of standard for offloading computation to the memory hierarchy. anyone know devices supporting this?
Posted Apr 1, 2025 22:06 UTC (Tue)
by willy (subscriber, #9762)
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The reply from our SSD group was always the same: We have designed our SSD to fit in a certain power/performance/cost envelope. We don't have "spare cycles" on the drive's CPU to process the data. Indeed, we go out of our way to avoid touching the user data with the drive's CPU.
I don't expect this effort to go anywhere unless something has fundamentally changed. Certainly not on consumer devices. Maybe you'll find a research device, or cloud vendors will offer it as part of their virtualized storage devices.
Posted Apr 1, 2025 22:36 UTC (Tue)
by andresfreund (subscriber, #69562)
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Posted Apr 3, 2025 7:25 UTC (Thu)
by DemiMarie (subscriber, #164188)
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Posted Apr 3, 2025 13:31 UTC (Thu)
by willy (subscriber, #9762)
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Funnily, it's a completely different operation from the device's point of view. The GC operation copies the data block intact and updates the FTL so that lookups of LBA 45678 now point to the new location on flash. An offloaded copy needs to read in the data block, decrypt, update the tags, encrypt, write it out and update the LBA. That's because both the encryption and tag verification use the LBA as the seed, not the location on the flash.
This is why I was never able to get the REMAP command into NVMe. It looks cheap from the host point of view, but it's very expensive for the drive. It saves PCIe bandwidth, but that's not generally the limiting factor.
Posted Apr 3, 2025 20:14 UTC (Thu)
by kbusch (subscriber, #171715)
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Posted Apr 2, 2025 10:35 UTC (Wed)
by kurogane (subscriber, #83248)
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But when I tried to get my hands on one of them, no luck. I had some great phone calls, promised access to a datacenter with some units of SSDs that had come out of the factory line which were implemented some of the earlier specs being discussed in the article. At the time I represented a company with hundreds of customers of our own, too. But they never came through.
A comment from the SSD sales guy later was they were mainly aiming for hyperscaler orders. But that strategy depends on hyperscalers buying into something that will _reduce_ revenue in their DBaaS services and oblige them to provision more network IO around user's database servers.
Posted Apr 6, 2025 19:37 UTC (Sun)
by DemiMarie (subscriber, #164188)
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Posted Apr 3, 2025 19:56 UTC (Thu)
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Posted Apr 7, 2025 4:30 UTC (Mon)
by cladisch (✭ supporter ✭, #50193)
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Posted Apr 8, 2025 9:35 UTC (Tue)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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ATAPI over SATA is, however, just a transport for SCSI commands.
offload to ssd? neat
offload to ssd? neat
offload to ssd? neat
offload to ssd? neat
Device ā device copy offload?
Device ā device copy offload?
offload to ssd? neat
offload to ssd? neat
Why offload to SSD?
Is SCSI dead?
Is SCSI dead?
Is SCSI dead?
Is SCSI dead?
Is SCSI dead?
Is SCSI dead?
SATA's not just a transport for SCSI commands; for SATA HDDs and SSDs, there's a specific SATA command set, separate to SCSI.
Is SCSI dead?