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here is little need to provide further evidence here of the ubiquity of the openended research interview across the range
of contemporary social sciences. Chapters in this
volume and its predecessor (Gubrium & Holstein,
2001) make this point very effectively, as does a
survey of the content of contemporary qualitative
methods handbooks such as Denzin and Lincoln
(2005) and Willig and Stainton-Rogers (2008). In
some cases, the term interview is not even mentioned, as this method of eliciting material from
participants has become well wired into the commonplaces of social science. A diligent reader need
only read through the content of the past full year
of mainstream journals in sociology, social psychology, geography, and anthropology to see that
where qualitative research is conducted, it is overwhelmingly done using some forms of interviews.
Cutting things up another way, the open-ended
interview is the preeminent data generation technique in methodological traditions as disparate as
ethnography, phenomenology (in its different
forms), psychoanalysis, narrative psychology,
grounded theory, and (much) discourse analysis.
Our aim in this chapter is to make the case that
interviewing has been too easy, too obvious, too
little studied, and too open to providing a convenient launch pad for poor research. We will argue
that interview research will be made better if it
faces up to a series of eight challenges that arise in
the design, conduct, analysis, and reporting of
qualitative interviews. Some research studies
already face up to some of these challenges; few
studies face up to all of them. We will make our
case strongly and bluntly with the aim of provoking debate where not enough has taken place.
These challenges are overlapping, but we have
separated them in the way we have for clarity. It is
important to emphasize that our aim is not to
criticize interviews but to make them better.
There are two contexts for this chapter for us.
First, the past 20 years have seen an extraordinary
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development of our understanding of what might be
called the central motor of interviews, the questionand-answer pair. Profound work in the tradition of
conversation analysis (Schegloff, 2007) has been
done on the organization of questions and answers
in institutional settings such as television news interviews (e.g., Clayman & Heritage, 2002), court
rooms (e.g., Atkinson & Drew, 1979), police interrogations (e.g., Stokoe & Edwards, 2008), helplines
(e.g., Hepburn & Potter, 2010), and medical examinations (e.g., Boyd & Heritage, 2006), as well as in
mundane settings such as everyday phone calls and
family mealtimes (Heritage & Raymond, in press;
Stivers & Hayashi, 2010). Such work has started to
unpack some of the basic design features of questions, how they embody preferences, manage neutralism, build presuppositions, and work to constrain
the actions of the recipient in different ways
(Clayman & Heritage, 2002; Raymond, 2003).
Researchers are starting to turn the analytic searchlight from this tradition onto the operation of social
science methods (Antaki & Rapley, 1996; HoutkoopSteenstra, 2000; Maynard, Houtkoop-Steenstra,
Schaeffer, & van der Zouwen, 2002; Puchta &
Potter, 1999). In this chapter, we will draw on this
tradition and shine a bit of its light on the qualitative
research interview.
The second context is a more biographical one.
Both of us started our research careers doing
research with open-ended interviews. Both of us
have published widely using interview research (e.g.,
Hepburn, 2000; Wetherell & Potter, 1992) and on
the nature and role of interviews (Potter & Hepburn,
2005b; Potter & Mulkay, 1985; Potter & Wetherell,
1995); yet both of us became increasingly dissatisfied with what was possible, particularly as we have
become more sophisticated in the analysis of interaction. In a way, this chapter is an attempt to make
sense of that dissatisfaction and provide a more
positive set of suggestions for interview research.
The current chapter develops two earlier discussions
of the status of research on open-ended interviews
and highlights the general implications beyond the
field of psychology (Potter & Hepburn, 2005a,
2005b, 2007).
We have arranged the eight challenges into two
groups. Four of them can be addressed by attending
to the reporting of the interview in the research
study. These challenges can be met by
1. improving the transparency of the interview
setup,
2. more fully displaying the active role of the
interviewer,
3. using representational forms that show the
interactional production of interviews, and
4. tying analytic observations to specific interview elements.
The aim will be to provide a set of suggestions for
how any interview study can be reported, so as to
support more comprehensive evaluation by readers.
Currently, interview studies often provide only the
most limited possibilities for auditing by other
researchers. These four suggestions will extend those
possibilities.
The second set of challenges arises in the analysis
of the interview. They require interview researchers
to pay more attention to
5. how interviews are flooded with social science
categories, assumptions, and research agendas;
6. the varying footing of interviewer and interviewee;
7. the orientations to stake and interest on the
part of the interviewer and interviewee; and
8. the way cognitive, individualist assumptions
about human actors are presupposed.
These analytic issues are potentially highly consequential for how the talk of the interviewee is understood in relation to the claims of any research study.
These are by no means the only analytic challenges,
but all are potentially relevant for any researcher
who wishes to make adequately grounded claims on
the basis of an interview study.
After describing these challenges, we will make
two broader sets of suggestions. First, work on questions and interaction should feed back into the
design, conduct, and analysis of interviews as well as
into the training of interviewers and the strategic
exploitation of interviewer conduct. In particular,
open-ended interviews should be viewed as a range
of rather different conversational occasions, and the
research should be designed to build a particular
kind of occasion as suitable for the specifics of the
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research. Second, we believe that there needs to be
more consideration of whether research aims could
be furthered more effectively by using other forms of
data generation, including working with records of
natural interaction.
Reporting
1. MAKE THE INTERVIEW SETUP EXPLICIT
One thing that is striking about much contemporary interview research is how little is said about how
participants were recruited. The concern here is not
with sampling; it is with the sort of potentially highly
consequential interaction that goes on when interviewees are introduced to the study. In particular,
there are two elements of the interview setup that
are likely to be important.
The first is the issue of the category that participants have been explicitly recruited under. For
example, were they recruited as “adolescent recreational drug users,” “young adult unemployed,” or
“active waste recyclers”? Researchers typically recruit
participants grouped into such categories, which are
themselves key parts of the research arguments that
are being pursued. Such recruitment is itself an active
part of the research process, not unlike the social
identity salience manipulations in social identity theory research studies (Turner, Hogg, Oakes, Reicher,
& Wetherell, 1987), and it may figure in the introduction to the research that the participant is given,
the ethics procedures, the administrative arrangements, and so on.
Note that this issue is separate from the issue of
sampling. It is not a matter of the category embedded in the abstract research design; it is a matter of
the processes through which particular individuals
are actually recruited and told about their recruitment and role in the research. It is during these
processes that particular category memberships can
in various ways be made central to the research.
Thus, a study might be concerned with the beliefs of
“depressed students” about the causes of their problems. When such students are recruited, the category
“depressed student,” and potentially a range of
related categories, is likely to be made central, formulated, and reworked. Indeed, recruitment itself
often has some of the characteristics of an interview.
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During recruitment, a particular understanding of
how each participant is relevant to the research may
be delivered to them; and such an understanding is,
at least potentially, highly consequential for their
conduct during the interview.
The second issue that becomes live in the interview setup is the understanding of the task that participants are given. This involves issues such as what
the interview will be about (healthy and unhealthy
eating, say), what the research will be used for (influencing government health policy), and what tasks
the interviewees will be performing in the interview
(e.g., explaining how their eating preferences have
changed as they grew up).
In many ways, it is not surprising that these matters
are rarely included in research studies. Full records are
often not kept, and when asked for full transcripts and
sound files, researchers typically cite tensions between
generating ethical consent and collecting full records.
Adequate consent procedures may depend on prior
description of the interview topics and the rationale
for recruitment. Nevertheless, given how potentially
consequential for the research outcomes such category
membership ascriptions and topic and task formulations are, it is important to attempt to capture these
features of recruitment. One possibility is including
textual materials relating to recruitment and attempting a descriptive overview of the early interaction
between participant and researcher. Crucially, when
the actual interview takes place, the recording should
be started as early as possible, so that the researcher’s
formulation of the nature of the interview and its goals
is captured and made available for scrutiny.
This issue has received almost no attention in
previous discussions of methodology. Our aim is to
signal both its neglect and its importance and to start
to indicate some ways in which the situation can be
improved.
2. DISPLAY THE ACTIVE
ROLE OF THE INTERVIEWER
Contemporary interview studies regularly emphasize that what goes on in interviews is interactional. Yet
this is rarely followed through in the research practice.
We will try and illustrate this point without picking on
individual studies; it would be invidious to pick any
one paper out of the thousands published every year.
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But we have no doubt that readers will find what we
are illustrating here instantly recognizable. Anyone still
not sure should sit down with the past few years of any
mainstream social science journal from sociology,
human geography, nursing, or qualitative psychology
and count the number of extracts that include both
interviewers and interviewees in relation to the number that simply include the latter. Expect a ratio of 1
to 10 or more! We will use an example from our own
materials so that readers can refer to the audio record
if they wish to and to spare the blushes of others.
The following quotation comes from a corpus of
interviews conducted by Alexa Hepburn as part of a
project looking at the different ways bullying appears
in school settings (published papers using this corpus
include Hepburn, 1997a, 1997b; Hepburn & Brown,
2001). The extract has been rendered in the style
typical of contemporary qualitative research.
Extract 38.1
I think all teachers are stressed. Because they’re
stressed they may react inappropriately in certain
situations, because they are near the edge themselves.
If you’re tired and stressed you’re not always in the
best situation to make good judgements. The children
I think at least are slightly more aware of this than
they used to be in the past.
Let us make some observations about the form as
presented here.
First, note what is absent. The interviewer’s question has not been reproduced. The extract comes
only from the talk of the interviewee, the teacher.
And we are not told if this is an entire turn of talk
that is responsive to a question or if it is a fragment
from a longer turn. This has the effect of framing the
talk as an abstract pronouncement on the nature of
teachers and the effects of stress; it is not framed as
a specific answer to a specific question put by a specific interviewer.
Second, note that the extract uses a conventional
orthographic representation of talk. It is rendered as
a form of play script; it has been turned into mostly
grammatical sentences and uses conventional punctuation marks. Some of what is missing can be clarified by simply extending the extract using the same
orthographic form of representation. Material absent
from Extract 38.1 is rendered in bold to show the
kind of contextual and interviewer talk that is commonly omitted.
Extract 38.2
Interviewer: So do you feel then that the constraints
on teachers’ time and the resources
that are available to you actually err
constrain your ability to do your job
well to deal effectively with kids
Teacher:
yes I think all teachers are stressed err
because they’re stressed they may react
um inappropriately in certain situations
because they are near the edge
themselves (Int: yes yes) erm if you’re
tired and stressed you’re not always in
the best situation to make good
judgements (Int: oh yeah yeah) the
children I think at least are slightly
more aware of this than they used to be
in the past (Int: mm mm) but yes I
would say it can affect it
With the introduction of the interviewer’s question and various contributions during the teacher’s
turn of talk, we get more of a sense of what is going
on here as an interaction. Crucially, we can start to
see how the form of the answer may be occasioned by
the form of the question. Nevertheless, the talk is still
rendered as a play script. This makes it hard to identify the precise actions going on here—it is left to the
reader to animate the talk as it must have sounded.
One crucial thing we are missing here is information
about the delivery of the talk—the prosody, the delay
and overlap, the emphasis and volume, the tempo
and various features of voice quality—everything that
turns it back into normal human interaction.
It might be observed at this point that interview
data analysis and representation are always partial
and incomplete (Andrews, 2008). The key question
is what kinds of information may be consequential
for understanding what is going on in the interview.
Information about what color of socks each party is
wearing is unlikely to be relevant to how the interview unfolds. However, information about whether
the interviewer receipted an interviewee turn with
“oh,” whether interviewee intonation is closing or
questioning at some point, or where the parties are
speaking in overlap is much more likely to be consequential. If we are going to take seriously the idea
that the interview is an interactional occasion, surely
this kind of information should be available in some
form. It is ironic that as we claim to be social scientists, rather than students of literature, we have been
wiping out the embodied and voiced nature of talk.
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3. REPRESENT TALK IN A WAY THAT
CAPTURES ACTION
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by a transcription service (usually untrained speed
typists); and then the recordings are boxed away,
and the researcher works with these impoverished
transcripts.
It is important to consider what is missed by doing
this. The transcription conventions for representing
talk as delivered were developed by the late Gail
Jefferson (2004; for a broader discussion, see Hepburn
& Bolden, in press; a brief summary is given in the
appendix to this chapter, Table 38.1). Extract 38.3
shows the same research interview exchange now
represented using Jeffersonian transcription.
For nearly half a century, interaction analysts,
and particularly conversation analysts, have found
that if they are to understand the actions that are
being done in talk, they need to pay close attention
to actual talk. This means listening closely to
recordings, watching the video, if one exists, and
combining this with a representation of talk that
captures what is interactionally relevant. It is common in interview studies to get the recordings done
Extract 38.3a
01
Int:
So d’you feel then that the constrai:nts on teachers’
02
ti::me and the resources that are available to you
03
actually .hh (0.2) c- er constrain your ability to
04
do your job ↑well to deal effectively with- (0.2)
05
°with kids: an° (0.2) [((inaudible))]
06
Tch:
[U::m:
] (0.9)
07
((swallows)) Ye:s, (0.7) I think all teachers are
08
stressed
09
(0.2)
10
Int:
Mm:.
11
Tch:
Er because they’re stressed (.) they may react (0.5)
12
13
u::m inappropriately,
Int:
14
Mhm,
(0.2)
15
Tch:
16
Int:
17
in certain situatio[ns,]
[ M ]hm.
(0.4)
18
Tch:
19
Int:
20
Because they (.) are near (.) the edge themse:[lves, ]
[Yeah.]
(0.4)
21
Int:
°Yeah.
22
Tch:
Er::m (0.9) if you’re ti:red, (.) an stressed, (.) erm
23
you’re not always in the best: situation to make
24
good judge[ments. ]
25
Int:
26
Tch:
[↑Oh ye]ah. °yeah. [°Mm.]
[Er:
]m (0.4) the CHILdren
27
I think at least are slightly more aware of this
28
[than they used to] be in [the pa: ]st.
29
Int:
[ Mm:::.
]
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Extract 38.3a (Continued)
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Int:
31
(0.2)
32
Tch:
33
Int:
34
35
Er::m:=
=Mm.
(0.9)
Int:
36
37
Mm:.
°Mm.
(1.5)
Tch:
BUT (huh)YEs I would sayhh (0.2) er it can affect it. (The audio record of this extract
is available online—search for Loughborough Discourse and Rhetoric Group)
This is a brief extract. Yet it shows up a wide
range of hearable, and therefore potentially interactionally consequential, features of the talk compared
with the play script version. Note the overlaps, closing intonation, latching of turns to one another, rising and falling intonation, raised volume, stretched
vowel sounds, and different kinds of breaths and
laugh particles. In contemporary social science articles, there is a pervasive failure to capture features of
delivery such as these.
The fuller transcript allows the identification of a
number of potentially consequential interviewer
actions. For example, note the “acknowledgement
tokens” (Clayman & Heritage, 2002; Jefferson,
1985) on Lines 10, 13, and 16. Such tokens have a
range of jobs, including displaying attentiveness and
passing the opportunity to take a turn. Note also the
news receipt and agreeing second assessment
(Heritage, 2002; Pomerantz, 1984) on Line 25. As
we will see, such objects are particularly interesting
in research interviews. Our general argument is that
such elements are universally treated as relevant by
the parties to the interaction (Hepburn & Bolden, in
press) and so will be consequential for the conduct
of the interview and how it is understood. They,
therefore, ought to be represented in a way that
makes them available to readers.
4. TIE ANALYTIC OBSERVATIONS TO
SPECIFIC FEATURES OF INTERVIEWS
In a recent critical piece about the qualitative analysis of interviews, and particularly the uses of discourse
analysis, Antaki, Billig, Edwards, and Potter (2007)
argue that researchers pervasively underanalyze their
materials. They highlight six different forms of underanalysis. These include underanalysis through summary, underanalysis by taking sides, underanalysis
through overquotation or through isolated quotation,
the identification of discourses from mental constructs
(and vice versa), overgeneralizing claims, and ad hoc
feature spotting. Our aim here is not to repeat this
argument, which is fully documented with examples of
interview analysis in the original piece. Instead, our
focus will be on the issue of how links between specific
analytic claims and specific sections or elements of
interviews are made plain to the reader.
One of the consequences of conventional orthographic representation is that it often makes it
unclear what specific elements of the interviewee’s
talk are being referred to. In part, this is because this
form of transcript collapses together groups of different conversational elements. More technically
speaking, the interviewee’s answer (and the interviewer’s question) can be built from a number of
different practices that are not easy to separate
because of the representational form used. For
example, Extract 38.1 allows for a highly restricted
consideration of the way different aspects of the
interviewee’s answer are built and what elements of
the interviewer’s talk they are responsive to. Even
the simple procedure of putting the interviewer’s
and the interviewee’s talk on separate lines allows
for a much clearer understanding of what is going
on. The additional, and equally simple, procedure of
adding line numbers allows for much more precision
in referring to segments of talk. It is common in
contemporary interview studies to find large blocks
of text combined with analytic observations that are
hard to clearly link to specific elements in the talk of
the interviewee.
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Challenges in Reporting Interviews
In proposing these ways of improving the quality
of representational practice with interview research,
we are mindful that there are difficult tensions
between practices that support the thorough academic auditing of research claims and practices that
simplify the process of interview research. We are
asking the question rather than offering a template.
Transcription, in particular, both is time-consuming
to conduct and requires training and effort (Hepburn
& Bolden, in press). Where transcription has been
addressed by interview researchers, it has often been
with an argument for “Jefferson Lite”—transcription
that captures words and some of the grosser elements of stress and intonation but leaves pauses
untimed and does not attempt to capture more subtle elements such as closing and continuing intonation, latching, and so on. Poland (2001) offers a
relatively sophisticated version of this position.
There is an argument that attention to what seem to
be merely micro aspects of talk will detract from
broader themes or ideological organization. However,
an alternative argument is that broader themes and
organizations are in practice understood through
working with the concrete specifics across a number of
examples of talk; therefore, analysis will benefit from
an engagement with a form of transcript that goes
beyond the reconstructed, simplified, and distorted
version of interaction that comes from many transcription services. A further argument for attending to the
specifics is that this is what participants do, pervasively
and thoroughly, in the course of their own interaction.
The full Jeffersonian transcript drags into the open the
jointly constructed, socially engaged nature of what is
going on in interviews, including the close dependence
of what the interviewee says on the interviewer’s question design and delivery in all its specifics.
Even if the interview researcher is happy to work
with a reduced form of representation, there is still the
issue of how the research is to be adequately evaluated
by others. Insofar as the evaluation of the research is a
communal endeavor for journal referees and readers,
there is a strong argument that the researchers should
provide a form of transcription that will offer readers
a much fuller understanding of what is going on and,
moreover, an understanding less likely to have already
embedded their own theoretical assumptions within it.
Over the years, we have refereed many articles using
interviews in different social science areas. There are
often important cases where the interviewee’s talk is
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constrained by the actions of the interviewer, and yes,
this is obscured by the form of representation. Our
feeling is that some moves in this direction are overdue
and need to be encouraged by journal editors.
Jeffersonian transcription is a slow process—done
well it involves a recording to transcription time ratio
of at least 1 to 20 hours. However, the aim would not
necessarily be to do a full transcript of the complete
interview corpus; rather, the full transcript would be
reserved for the instances of some analytically identified theme. For example, in conversation-analytic
studies working with large corpuses of institutional
talk, it is common to work with collections of fully
transcribed extracts that relate to particular questions.
It may be that some of what we are suggesting can
be provided by making audio or video records available via the web. These could be comprehensive,
illustrative, or just provide the recording of the
extracts that are reproduced in the papers. Ethics
procedures would need to be adjusted accordingly.
The provision of audio and video materials would
help address a further problem with the representation of interview material, which is that transcript
may be faulty. Sometimes, the transcribed form is
such that it “sounds” impossible to a trained ear, or
the formulations offered seem pragmatically odd.
On those occasions when such doubts have led us to
ask if we can check the recording ourselves, we have
been told that ethics preclude this or the recordings
are unavailable. While this may be true, it does not
promote a social research practice that is publically
accountable and transparent.
We do not underestimate the extra effort involved
in moving in this direction. However, we have made
strong arguments for the value of that effort. It is up
to others to show that it is unnecessary and these arguments are wrong. A defense of the current practice will
need to do more than say that the researcher is not
interested in interaction, as Morgan (2010) has argued;
researchers defending the status quo will need to show
that the close dependence of both the form and the
content of the “answer” on the design and delivery of
the “question” is not of general consequence.
Analysis
The first part of this chapter has focused on the
issues that arise in the representation of interviews
in research publications. In the second part, we will
focus on some challenges that face researchers
when they are analyzing interviews. Again, these are
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challenges that are brought into focus by a familiarity with interaction research. These highlight features of research interviews that are pervasive and
yet hard to successfully manage analytically. Although
we are describing them as challenges, we do not
mean that they are typically seen in this way by interview analysts; indeed, for the most part they are
overlooked. The point is that they are consequential
for understanding how the interview should be interpreted. We will work through them in turn.
5. FLOODING
Research interviews are flooded with social science agendas of different kinds. The notion of a
“social science agenda” is meant to capture the loose
set of concerns and orientations that are central to
the researcher who is conducting social research.
Researchers have spent years developing particular
views of social organizations and structures, the
nature and competence of human subjects, and so on.
They often work with a “factors and variables” picture of how different elements of sociality affect one
another. Such pictures are often taken for granted to
the point of invisibility. Agendas of this kind are
expressed in various ways, including the research
recruitment briefings, the kinds of questions asked
and how they position recipients, the categories they
use, and the way questions are organized into narratives that build particular researcher concerns.
It is the apparent invisibility of such agendas that
makes their influence on the actions of research
participants hard to identify. Sometimes, clearly
technical or quasi-technical terms such as internalized homophobia (Giorgi & Giorgi, 2003) mark the
way the participant is being recruited into a particular social science tradition. However, the relevant
social science agenda is often developed much less
explicitly.
Let us look more closely at the initial question
from Extract 38.3 above.
Extract 38.3b
01
Int:
So d’you feel then that the constrai:nts on teachers’
02
ti::me and the resources that are available to you
03
actually .hh (0.2) c- er constrain your ability to
04
do your job ↑well to deal effectively with- (0.2)
05
°with kids: an° (0.2) [((inaudible))]
This question has the feel of something put
together on the spot. The delay, hitches, and an
“er” on Lines 3 to 5 give a sense of the interviewer
building the question locally rather than rehearsing
something preformed. The trailing off to quiet on
5 and then the overlapped inaudible element contribute to this sense. Nevertheless, this is a highly
recognizable and recurrent form of social research
question. Indeed, Puchta and Potter (2004) suggest
that the display of informality here is part of what
constitutes it as a standard question from an openended interview (as opposed to a systematic survey
question). These features help in the production of
informality and manage potentially problematic
epistemic asymmetries between interviewer and
interviewee.
When we drill down further into what is going on
here, however, things are a bit more complex. This
informality is combined with a question form that is
highly constraining. A polar question, or yes/no interrogative, advances a candidate proposition and sets the
terms from within which participants’ responses are to
be interpreted (Heritage & Raymond, in press).
Let us consider this candidate proposition a bit
more closely. It does not draw on terms from one of
the obvious social science dictionaries (“internalized
homophobia”). Nevertheless, it is built with references
to abstract objects (“teachers’ time”—Line 2) and processes (“constraints”—Lines 1 and 3). Moreover, the
category is the generic “teachers” rather than a reference to specific teachers at a particular school.
The point here is not that such questions are
poorly designed or use illegitimate constructions but
rather that such types of question can subtly coach
the participant in a relevant social science agenda.
This is not in itself a bad thing; the challenge is how
to work with it in a way that avoids circularity.
Although interview questions are an obvious place
to look for the development of a social science
agenda, it can also be seen in other kinds of interviewer contribution to the interaction. The following
comes a little later in Extract 38.3:
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Extract 38.3c
18
Tch:
19
Int:
20
Because they (.) are near (.) the edge themse:[lves, ]
[Yeah.]
(0.4)
21
Int:
°Yeah.
22
Tch:
Er::m (0.9) if you’re ti:red, (.) an stressed, (.) erm
23
you’re not always in the best: situation to make
24
good judge[ments. ]
25
[↑Oh ye]ah. °yeah. [°Mm.]
Int:
The point we want to highlight here is the difference
between the interviewer’s contributions on Lines 19,
21, and 25. While the interviewee’s turn on Line 18
receives only an acknowledgment token (Jefferson,
1985)—a conversational object that specifically holds
off doing a number of potential actions—her contribution on Lines 22–24 is responded to with an “oh-prefaced” agreement (Heritage, 2002). These interviewer
responses are markedly different in what they display
about the status of the propositions advanced. We will
say more about that later in relation to footing. For the
moment, just note the way such interviewer turns are a
vehicle for the broader social science agenda. They
potentially lead the interviewee down a desired path.
Crucially, the challenge is to avoid the interview
taking the form of a circular rediscovery of preexisting social science ideas and assumptions. How can the
analysis cut down the possibility that it is chasing its
own tail, offering back a refined or filtered form of
the ideas and intuitions that went into the building of
the original schedule and briefing of participants?
another, they do so from a range of different positions or “footings.” Interaction has a “participation
framework,” where a speaker may be the origin of
ideas, for example, or may represent the ideas of
another speaker (compare a national president and
his or her speechwriters) and recipients may be
directly addressed, say, or be in a position to overhear the conversation.
Interview talk can be considered in this way,
focusing in particular on the different bases on
which participants are speaking. Interviewees are
typically recruited as members of particular categories (lesbian parents, teachers, multiple sclerosis
sufferers, etc.). But when they are speaking, they
can be speaking as an individual with her or his
own unique beliefs and preferences; as a category
member, where the answers are intended to reflect
the category as a whole; or, more likely, as some
complicated mix of the two. There are subtle but
important differences between the two. Moreover,
if they are speaking as a category member, what
precisely is the relevant category?
We will illustrate the analytic significance
of footing with examples from Extract 38.3.
Consider first the question design and its use of
categories:
6. FOOTING
One of the key observations made by Erving
Goffman (1981) was that when people speak to one
Extract 38.3d
01
Int:
So d’you feel then that the constrai:nts on teachers’
02
ti::me and the resources that are available to you
03
actually .hh (0.2) c- er constrain your ability to
04
do your job ↑well to deal effectively with- (0.2)
05
°with kids: an° (0.2) [((inaudible))]
06
Tch:
07
[U::m:
08
stressed_
09
(0.2)
10
] (0.9)
((swallows)) Ye:s, (0.7) I think all teachers are
Int:
Mm:.
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The interviewee has been recruited as a category
member (a teacher), and she is addressed in a way
that invokes her category membership (“teachers’
time,” “your job”). Yet she is addressed in direct
personal terms (“you”—Line 1) in a way that separates out her stance on the category that she is, here,
relevantly, a member of. As we noted above, in virtue of its yes/no interrogative form, the question
restricts the response options. Anything other than
a yes/no response will be type-nonconforming (Raymond, 2003) and therefore liable to inspection by
the questioner for what it is doing in departing from
the terms of the question. Thus, the respondent
could build an answer that separates her from the
category—most teachers say X, but I find Y—but
this would involve unpicking the terms of the
question. Instead, she offers (after an extended um
and delay, which may be occasioned by the trail-off
in the question but more likely relates to the potentially challenging nature of the question) a standard response with the type-conforming “yes” and
the expansion “I think all teachers are stressed.”
The general point is that participants can answer
questions in a “personal” or “institutional” capacity,
and without careful analytic attention to this,
researchers risk making misleading inferences from
their material. Here, the challenging nature of the
question makes answering in a more generalized
way a more useful resource.
The footing of interviewers is also complicated.
For example, are they treated by the interviewee as
the addressed recipient? Or is their participant status
as a conduit or reporter? Take television news interviews. Here, both interviewer and interviewee treat
the overhearing audience as the relevant recipient of
the talk. One interactional feature that displays this
is the absence of “oh” receipts. There is no interactional need for news anchors to mark a “change of
state.” Indeed, they may be asking questions to
which they already know the answer or in which
they have no personal interest. The issue, then, is not
the news interviewer’s change of knowledge state
but how informed the audience is (Clayman &
Heritage, 2002; Heritage & Greatbatch, 1991).
Again, we can consider the issue of footing as it is
played out practically in the conduct of the interviewer
and the interviewee. Interviewer turns can display different footing positions. Compare the simple acknowledgment token “mm.” in Line 10 of Extract 38.3d
with the turns on Lines 25 and 29 below:
Extract 38.3e
22
Tch:
Er::m (0.9) if you’re ti:red, (.) an stressed, (.) erm
23
you’re not always in the best: situation to make
24
good judge[ments. ]
25
Int:
26
Tch:
[↑Oh ye]ah. °yeah. [°Mm.]
[Er:
]m (0.4) the CHILdren
27
I think at least are slightly more aware of this
28
[than they used to] be in [the pa: ]st.
29
Int:
[ Mm:::.
30
Int:
Mm:.
]
[M m: :.]
In these turns. the interviewer is displaying full
recipiency, with oh-prefaced agreement on Line 10
and stretched acknowledgment tokens on Line 29.
By indexing existing relevant knowledge and views
in this way, the interviewer builds herself or himself
as a fully active participant (Heritage, 2002) rather
than a neutral, disinterested recorder of what is said
by the interviewee.
This form of engagement can be part of a process
where the interview productively becomes “an interventionist and confrontative arena” (Potter &
Wetherell, 1987, p. 164). However, note that what
we have here is not something consistent through the
whole extract, let alone the whole interview. The
different interviewer footing appears selectively in
different positions in relation to different interviewee
turns. Footing itself is a somewhat limited notion (see
the debate in Leudar & Antaki, 1996; Potter, 1996),
and there is a range of further possibilities for how
footing can be displayed in interviewee talk (Ensink,
2003; Lee & Roth, 2004). Our point is that these are
subtle, complex, and yet potentially consequential
matters that up to now have been barely considered
by analysts of interviews.
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7. STAKE AND INTEREST
A central feature of interaction is that people orient to issues of potential stake and interest (Edwards
& Potter, 1992). They may respond to what other
people say as a product of interests and manage the
potential interestedness of their own talk. This can
play out in complex ways in open-ended interviews.
Consider the interviewee. She or he will typically
have been recruited as a member of a social category;
and she or he is likely to be treated as having a stake
in that category. At the same time, interviewees are
typically treated as being broadly neutral informants
of their own practices. This combination of being
more or less neutral and having a stake in a category
is an analytic commonplace of more discoursefocused work on interviews (e.g., Edley, 2001),
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although that does not make the analysis easy to do.
And such issues are more or less ignored in most
qualitative interview analyses.
Now take the interviewer. Much qualitative
research is conducted on doctoral programs, and
here it is overwhelmingly the case that the interviewer and the researcher are the same person.
Moreover, it is not just common but expected for
those researchers to care deeply about the topic
they are studying. So there is a profound issue of
how this potentially live stake is managed. It is
interesting to compare this with market research
settings, where there is often an explicit focus on
the potential interestedness of the interviewer or
moderator. The following is the kind of construction that is recurrent at the start of market research
focus groups:
Extract 38.3f
01
Mod: As I say I <↑don’t make> the adver↓tising,
02
(0.5) I don’t sell cars.=I don’t work for
03
ei:ther company that doe:s:. .hhh s:o: er::
04
↑whilst (0.3) >this research has clearly
05
been commissioned< by: (.) er a >company
06
that does< both. An >you’ll see (as we go
07
through) who ‘tis.<
08
(.)
09
10
11
Mod: ↑I don’t have a vested interest.
(0.2)
Mod: °Right, >so I don’t really mind what you< say:. (Puchta & Potter, 2004)
When the moderator introduces herself to the
group like this, she emphasizes her independence
from the firm that has commissioned the focus group
and how she was not involved in producing the
advertising for its products (something that participants might expect). Note the very explicit denial of
having an interest (Line 9) and the assertion of the
implication of this for the conduct of the participants
(Line 11). Note that the converse implication here is
that the moderator otherwise might have had an
interest in what is being discussed and might mind it
being criticized!
In academic qualitative social science work with
interviews, this kind of asserted separation between
the interests of the researcher and the topic is much
less common. The researcher is unlikely to be able
to plausibly and honestly assert his or her disinterest. Researchers do on occasion introduce the issue
of their own stake in the topic at hand—although
this is probably more common offstage during the
interview setup. An important area of future
metastudy will be the way such avowals of concern
(or relevant membership) play out in the trajectory
of the interview.
As with footing, issues of stake and interest vary
through the trajectory of the interview. They appear
in different places and in different ways. We have
already noted an example. Consider the following
extract again.
Note again here the interviewer’s displays of
investment in the topic in Lines 25 and 29. The
teacher is being interviewed about the potentially
delicate topic of punishment of children (and how
some of the schoolchildren interviewed have suggested the phenomenon of teacher bullying). The
teacher is building an account for “inappropriate”
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Extract 38.3e
22
Tch:
Er::m (0.9) if you’re ti:red, (.) an stressed, (.) erm
23
you’re not always in the best: situation to make
24
good judge[ments. ]
25
Int:
26
Tch:
[↑Oh ye]ah. °yeah. [°Mm.]
[Er:
]m (0.4) the CHILdren
27
I think at least are slightly more aware of this
28
[than they used to] be in [the pa: ]st.
29
Int:
[ Mm:::.
30
Int:
Mm:.
]
[M m: :.]
actions, prompted by a question that indexes certain
constraints on “dealing effectively with kids.” By
employing an “oh-prefaced” agreement, the interviewer treats its contents as “already known,”
thereby more strongly aligning with this account and
encouraging the teacher to be less guarded.
Agreements (and disagreements, of course) can
display broader alignments and interest in topics
(see Koole, 2003). For the moment, we will just
note again that if we take this seriously, it makes the
process of interview analysis considerably more
complicated than is often presented. And it highlights the powerful role of interviewer activities.
Our point is not that such activities should be
driven out of interviews. Agreements show attentive listening and engagement (often glossed as
“rapport” in methods texts). However, they do
more than this, and their specific placement deserves
analytic attention.
Our general point is that the interactional organization of interviews is complex and consequential,
yet it is rarely explicitly addressed. To take it into
account during analysis is a major challenge (for a
research example that highlights the subtlety of the
challenge, see Edwards, 2003). However, to fail to
take it into account risks interview conclusions that
are based more on researchers’ prior expectations
than on analysis of actual interview conduct.
8. COGNITIVISM AND INDIVIDUALISM
One of the pervasive but almost unnoticed byproducts of interview research is the reproduction of
a kind of cognitive individualism. The point is not
that such a perspective is necessarily wrong; it is that
there is no way of testing it when it is reproduced in
this way. It is a vision of human life presupposed
rather than discovered in most interview research.
There is something particularly ironic about this
given that many researchers who draw on qualitative
interviews espouse a critical, nonindividualist perspective on social life. We will focus on two ways in
which cognitive individualism is reproduced: (1) the
privileging of conceptual meditation over action and
(2) the treatment of cognitive language as referential.
Privileging Conceptual Rumination
Qualitative interviews recruit participants to report
on events, actions, social processes, and various kinds
of cognitive objects (attitudes, beliefs, etc.). This kind
of explicit conceptual meditation is treated as providing a way into participants’ minds or social organizations. Participants orient to this in their answers,
offering up their reflexive thoughts as skilled participant theorists. Note the syllogistic pattern in the following, and the way causal relationships are adduced:
Extract 38.3g
06
Tch:
[ U : : m : ] (0.9)
07
((swallows)) Ye:s, (0.7) I think all teachers are
08
stressed_
09
10
(0.2)
Int:
Mm:.
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11
Tch:
12
13
Er because they’re stressed (.) they may react (0.5)
Int:
Mhm,
(0.2)
Tch:
in certain situatio[ns,]
The teacher here is being asked as a teacher not to
be a teacher but to reflexively formulate aspects of the
lives of teachers and to provide causal observations.
Looked at in one way, this is a restatement of the
basic rationale for doing interviews in the first place.
People are asked about what they do and what they
think, and they helpfully tell you about these things.
However, looked at another way, what is going on
here is that people are being treated as being in a
special epistemic position with respect to their own
conduct—not just actions and events but also causal
and developmental relationships, intrapsychic processes, and so on. The interview depends on a range
of ambitious cognitive judgments and feats of memory and analysis.
Cognitive Language
The contemplative picture of interview talk goes
hand in hand with the kinds of referential understanding of specifically cognitive language that were
criticized by Wittgenstein, whose critiques were
refined in different ways by discursive psychology
(Edwards, 1997) and conversation analysis (Sacks,
1992). Recent studies have started to consider the
role of cognitive language in social research settings.
Myers (2004) and Puchta and Potter (2002, 2004;
Potter & Puchta, 2007) looked at the role of what
focus group researchers call POBA terminology (perceptions, opinions, beliefs, and attitudes). For example, Puchta and Potter (2004) note that questions
constructed in POBA terms make it harder for participants to produce “don’t know” and slow responses
(people are treated as having immediate and privileged access to their own opinions and attitudes).
And they also show how the interactional organization of social research can be used to generate POBAs
as objects within individuals (Puchta & Potter, 2002).
Consider the interviewer’s question that starts our
illustrative extract:
01 Int: So d’you ↑feel then that the constrai:nts
02
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14
15
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on teachers’ ti:me and the resources >that are
Note the interviewer’s use of the POBA term feel
at the start of this topic’s initial question. Asking for
a “feeling” softens the epistemic demands of the
question while heightening the interactional
demands. Your “feeling” may not be subject to the
same scrutiny as a factual claim; however, you are
expected to know and be able to report on your
own feelings.
Similar sorts of issues arise with the interviewee’s
use of psychological or cognitive terminology. To
take one example, the interviewee uses the term
stressed on three occasions in this sequence (Lines 8,
11, and 22). Whatever referential role this term has,
careful analysis will be needed to consider what it
is being used to do in this sequence. For example,
Hepburn and Brown (2001), in an analysis of these
interviews, highlight some of the practical uses of
stress talk in managing accountability and linking
individual actions with broader institutional roles
and relationships.
Our point is that to fully understand what is
going on in qualitative interviews researchers will
need to be attentive to the practical role of cognitive and psychological language in the talk of both
interviewer and interviewee. Conversely, we will
need to be cautious when treating such talk as a
way of referring to inner psychological objects of
some kind.
The Conduct and
Analysis of Interviews
Recent interaction work in the tradition of ethnomethodology, conversation analysis, and discursive
psychology has revolutionized our understanding of
questions as social actions. This has two kinds of
implication for the way qualitative open-ended interviews have been used in social research.
First, it throws up a series of challenges. Once we
recognize the subtlety and complexity of interaction in
social research interviews, we are faced with the importance of representing that interaction in ways that
allow fuller inspection. Not recording the potentially
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consequential work of the recruitment and setup
makes it harder to appreciate the basis on which the
interviewee is talking. The representation of the
actual interaction in the interview needs to allow the
reader to appreciate the active role of the interviewer and, most crucial, the way the interview
questions are built. The pervasive failure to reproduce the interviewer’s questions is simply not
acceptable now that we know the impact of different question designs and the way questions can
embody different social science agendas. The second
set of challenges is to do with the way the interview
is analyzed and how far that analysis is able to take
seriously the way social science agendas are hardwired into the interview, the way footing and stake
and interest are managed, and the tendency of the
very interview setup to analyze everything in terms
of individual cognitive objects.
Second, it throws up a set of opportunities. This
literature can feed into the training of interviewers
and the way interview schedules are developed.
Work on news interviewers shows the way a range
of subtle and challenging question forms can be
effectively deployed. Social researchers have the
opportunity to learn from this sophistication and
improve their own practices. There is the potential
for more control over the unfolding conduct of the
interview than has currently been claimed in how-to
methods books, with the possibility of managing
issues of argument and displays of stake and interest
to generate particular kinds of challenges and to
provide a particular context to answering. The irony
is that qualitative interviews are massively overused
but their potential has been massively restricted.
This kind of research also allows us to move on to
a subtler position on issues of bias, neutrality, and
leading questions. The way questions “prefer” particular kinds of answers is now better understood
(Clayman & Heritage, 2002). Once we have the
resources to identify such preferences analytically, we
can move beyond bias as a problem toward considering how questions with different kinds of pressures
can be used to open up issues for the interviewee.
Despite the sophistication that is now possible, more
systematic work on the social institution of the
research interview is long overdue. Very few studies
carefully describe the institution of interviewing and
the different practices that make up that institution.
This contrasts with the massive reliance of modern
social research on the qualitative interview.
We started with the observation that interviews
have often been used on the basis that they are the
obvious way of doing any qualitative social research,
with few alternatives. Part of this increased sophistication in the conduct and analysis of interviews puts us
in a position where we can make a more informed
judgment on the choice of research approach. And the
recognition of this choice starts to put the onus on
researchers who are using interviews to fully justify
that choice.
Appendix
Table 38.1 Basic Transcription Conventions
[ ]
Square brackets mark the start and end of overlapping speech.
↓↑
Vertical arrows precede marked pitch movement, over and above normal rhythms of speech.
Underlining
Underlining signals vocal emphasis.
CAPITALS
Capitals mark speech that is obviously louder than surrounding speech.
°practical°
“Degree” signs enclose obviously quieter speech.
(0.4)
Numbers in round brackets measure pauses in seconds (in this case, four tenths of a second).
she wa::nted
Colons show elongation of the prior sound: the more colons, the more elongation.
bu-u-
Hyphens mark a cutoff from the preceding sound.
solid.=
“Equals” signs mark the immediate “latching” of successive talk, whether of one or more
speakers, with no interval.
=We had
hhh
Aspiration (out-breaths): the more the longer.
.hhh
Inspiration (in-breaths): the more the longer.
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Yeh,
The comma marks continuation, the speaker has not finished; intonationally it is a fall–rise or
weak rising intonation.
y’know?
Question marks signal stronger, “questioning” intonation, irrespective of grammar.
Yeh.
Periods (full stops) mark falling, stopping intonation (“final contour”), irrespective of grammar.
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