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    I'd Like You More If You Were More like Me: Getting Real about Getting Close
    I'd Like You More If You Were More like Me: Getting Real about Getting Close
    I'd Like You More If You Were More like Me: Getting Real about Getting Close
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    I'd Like You More If You Were More like Me: Getting Real about Getting Close

    By John Ortberg

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    I’d Like You More If You Were More like Me takes on one of life’s most important questions: How can I get closer to God and other people?

    We were created for deep connections. When people have deep connections, says John Ortberg, they win in life. When they don’t have deep connections, they cannot win in life. I’d Like You More if You Were More like Me offers help in overcoming one of the biggest obstacles to making deep connections: the fact that we’re so different. Different from God and different from each other.

    The good news is that connectedness is not based on similarity, but on shared experiences. When one person invites another to share an experience, they’re connected. It can be sharing a beautiful sunset or a meal, having a great conversation over cup of coffee, going for walk, or even teasing somebody. And when we share those same experiences with God, we get closer to him, too. God wants to connect with us—so much that he sent his son to live as a human being. God took on flesh and shared every human experience. So we don’t have to wonder what a close relationship with God looks like anymore.

    An intimate relationship with God and other people doesn’t have to be a cliché, it can be a daily way of life.
    LanguageEnglish
    PublisherTyndale House Publishers
    Release dateOct 3, 2017
    ISBN9781496427595
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    John Ortberg

    John Ortberg is the senior pastor of Menlo Park Presbyterian Church (MPPC) in the San Francisco Bay Area. His bestselling books include Soul Keeping, Who Is This Man?, and If You Want to Walk on Water, You’ve Got to Get Out of the Boat. John teaches around the world at conferences and churches, writes articles for Christianity Today and Leadership Journal, and is on the board of the Dallas Willard Center and Fuller Seminary. He has preached sermons on Abraham Lincoln, The LEGO Movie, and The Gospel According to Les Miserables. John and his wife Nancy enjoy spending time with their three adult children, dog Baxter, and surfing the Pacific. You can follow John on twitter @johnortberg or check out the latest news/blogs on his website at www.johnortberg.com.

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      Relatable and honest, John Ortberg speaks to both the disillusioned and the romantic about the hope and pain we can face in relationships
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      This is an excellent, clearly written book looking at different aspects of connection, communication and (in the broadest sense of the word) intimacy.

      Ortberg writes in an engaging manner, peppering his teaching with anecdotes, many of them against himself. Whereas I struggle to read more than a couple of pages at a time with some authors, I read a chapter of this every day for a fortnight. Pausing was in order to process and think about the contents, not because of my mind wandering.

      While there isn't anything new as such, there are many points made in ways that struck me afresh. I particularly appreciated comments about love languages, and the way that in each interaction with anyone else, we can choose to respond positively or negatively, moving towards or away from that person in ways that can mount up over time.

      The intended audience is Christian; there are many Biblical references, and Ortberg gives examples from Jesus' life of his ideal way of relating to those around him. But much of the content could be of relevance to anyone wanting better communication, and closer relationships.

      Highly recommended.
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      An easy read, and Ortberg feels like a companion that is alongside to give you insight into yourself and others. A good devotional type read. However,
      I was preparing sermons on appreciating the diversity of gifting and cultures that we have in the church and I think I hoped for more depth and meat than this book ever offered.

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    I'd Like You More If You Were More like Me - John Ortberg

    Introduction: Table for One?

    W

    HEN

    I

    THINK ABOUT LOVE

    , I think about a table.

    I grew up in a Swedish family in Rockford, Illinois, surrounded by other Swedes. We’re not the most expressive, demonstrative, or verbal people. Sometimes when I come home at night and my wife, Nancy, asks me, How was your day? I tell her, Sorry, I’ve used up all my words. I don’t have any words left. Nancy cannot understand that because she never uses up her words. She is an inexhaustible source of words. She’s like the Niagara Falls of words.

    One thing Swedes always have, however, is a table. For the people I grew up with, gathering around a table was the primary love language. If someone got hurt, got sick, got married, bought a car, bought a house, had a crisis, had a baby, or died, that’s what we’d do. There would always be the rich smell of coffee in the house (not Orange Mocha Frappuccino—just coffee), and we’d gather around the table to talk, laugh, and cry—together.

    If you think about it, many of the moments that shape our lives are spent around a table. In fact, some of my most vivid childhood memories took place around a glass-topped rectangular table in a small dining room at 227 Brendenwood Terrace in Rockford, Illinois.

    If I close my eyes, I can still see it. That’s my dad sitting way down at the end. To his right is my little brother, Barton. I’m the guy in the glasses and braces, and my mom is sitting kitty-corner from me on my right.

    I remember one time when we were eating breakfast and my mom was holding a piece of peanut butter toast. It was that critical peanut buttering time when the toast is still warm enough to melt the peanut butter a little, and just as Mom was lifting the toast to her mouth, I reached over and smashed it right in her face. Before you knew it, we were all creaming each other in the face with peanut butter and laughing until we cried.

    Good times.

    And sometimes not so good times.

    A couple of years ago, a friend of mine (who also happens to be Swedish) lost his mom. As soon as I heard—just a few hours after his mom had died—I called him on his cell phone. Turned out his whole family was at a local pancake house sitting around a table drinking coffee. I immediately felt a resonance in my spirit.

    I know that family.

    Throughout the years, there have been other tables, as well.

    I remember the first time I sat around a table with Nancy’s family. She happened to mention that she had bought a tire from a car dealer, and immediately someone at the table responded, "I would never buy tires from a dealership. They charge an arm and a leg. I get ’em at Shell."

    Shell? someone else said. "You would get a tire at a Shell station? I would never do that. They have terrible tires. You couldn’t give me one of their tires. I get mine at Goodyear."

    Goodyear? a third family member chimed in. Their service stinks! If you get tires at Discount Tire, you get a free rotation every six thousand miles. Just saying.

    And it went on like that.

    Later, I said to Nancy, What was up with that fight?

    What fight?

    That tire fight at the table.

    That wasn’t a fight, she said. That was us helping each other.

    Really? At my family’s table, in the unlikely event that I ever bought a tire, my mom would say something like, Oh, Son, you bought a tire. We’re so proud. You know, you raise kids; you try to teach them right from wrong. You never know how things will turn out. And now a moment like this makes it all worthwhile. Let’s take a selfie.

    Different tables have different styles, different rules. For Nancy, table talk involves a gritty commitment to reality—being deeply honest about the difficulties of life. No pedestals, no idealizing. Flowery language sets her on edge.

    Once we were in a restaurant in Menlo Park, where we live. As we were laughing about something, a woman came up to our table and said, I go to your church, and it’s so great to see you two enjoying each other. I’ve been watching the way you interact—the way you look at each other when you talk. You must have a wonderful marriage.

    Sometimes, Nancy immediately shot back. She wants truth to have a place at the table. And I’ve come to enjoy that. For the most part.

    When we were dating, we used to have Sunday dinner at the home of Nancy’s grandmother, Gladys. The whole family would sit around an old mahogany table they had brought out to California from Texas. Sitting around that table made me feel like I was part of the family. Nancy loved that table.

    When Nancy and I got engaged, I gave Gladys a dollar so we could get the mahogany table after she died. I even wrote a little deed, claiming the table, and taped it on the underside, so Nancy’s greedy cousin wouldn’t get it after Gladys was gone. When Gladys died, her table found a new home in our dining room.

    When it’s only two adults at the table, everything may look quite elegant and stylish; but when you have a baby, the table is a mess. Of course, the easiest way to keep your table tidy is not to let anyone sit there. But sometimes a messy table creates a memory that a tidy table never could. Once, when one of our kids had spilled one too many times and punishment was about to ensue, this particular child pulled out a dollar, set it on the table, and said, Maybe Mr. Washington can change your mind. Turns out he could.

    We had all three of our children in pretty short succession, and I remember what a triumph it was when we had our first meal together where nobody spilled, nobody cried, and nobody spit up. Our youngest was twenty-one by then, but that was still a great day in our family.

    One thing about tables, at least in my family, is that we always sit in the same places. My spot is across from Nancy and kitty-corner from our daughter Laura. Even after the kids moved out, whenever they came home they reclaimed their old chairs: Laura on one side, Johnny and Mallory on the other; and now Laura’s husband, Zack, next to her. We never voted on this. There’s no seating chart. Nobody made assignments. There’s just something deep in the human soul that says, I need to have my place at the table. I know it’s true for me: I want to have my chair, and I want everybody in my family to have their chairs. And I kind of like it when their chairs are filled.

    To have our own place at the table means we belong. We have an identity. We’re somebody’s sibling, somebody’s parent, somebody’s spouse. We’re in.

    For me, a table is a reminder that what really matters in life is relationships. We are hardwired for emotional connection to other people. We want to be known. We crave being loved. We want to be accepted by someone who is completely aware of our gifts and our flaws and yet wants to be with us anyway. In short, we crave intimacy.

    On a little study table in my office, there’s a card with a quote from Victor Hugo’s epic novel Les Misérables:

    My coat and I live comfortably together. It has assumed all my wrinkles, does not hurt me anywhere, has molded itself on my deformities, and is complacent to all my movements, and I only feel its presence because it keeps me warm. Old coats are old friends.[1]

    On the back of the card, written in pen, are four words: You are my coat. It is signed by my wife. That’s intimacy.

    You may be thinking, Nancy must be a wonderful person to be married to.

    She is.

    Sometimes.

    OUR FEAR OF INTIMACY

    Although we crave it, intimacy is a scary concept for a lot of people. When I mentioned I was writing a book about intimacy, some people visibly tensed up. Others blushed. Nancy laughed.

    I sometimes wonder why people have such strong reactions. Why do we fear intimacy so much?

    For one thing, I think we’re afraid of being hurt. Intimacy means being known by someone—like Nancy knows me, for example. She knows my strengths and weaknesses, my hopes and fears. She can use that knowledge to bond with me and grow closer to me, or she can use it to shame, wound, or betray me.

    We also fear intimacy because it can set us up for disappointment. If you and I are not particularly close, I won’t be crushed if you let me down because odds are, I didn’t expect much from you to begin with. But if I desire closeness with you, if I come to depend on your friendship or need your love, it would wound me to the core to be rejected or abandoned by you. I would feel like a fool for trusting you—like Charlie Brown lying flat on his back after believing, yet again, that Lucy really will hold the football this time.

    Intimacy can also make us feel needy. Or worse, it can reveal our neediness. Generally speaking, we don’t like to feel needy. We like to think of ourselves as strong. (Ironically, the choice to pursue intimacy—to reveal our weakness and neediness—actually requires great strength.)

    Many of us fear intimacy because deep down, we think we don’t deserve it. We’re afraid that our deficits and flaws are bound to emerge, and it will hurt even more to lose intimacy than never to have had it at all. Anytime we let someone in, we run the risk of being hurt or rejected. So we tend to avoid it.

    The irony, of course, is that we deeply desire intimacy. We want to be loved, to be liked, to be celebrated, to have someone who accepts us no matter what. We want to have great friendships. We want to have people to turn to when a crisis hits. We want to have someone trustworthy in whom we can safely confide our secrets. We not only want intimacy, we were made for it.

    Whether you are a man or a woman; whether you’re the life of the party or a wallflower; whether you’re a thinker or a feeler or a category not yet known to social science, you were made for connection. You were made for relationships. You were made for intimacy.

    We see it whenever a freshly minted baby enters the world, looks into its mother’s eyes, and—by some miracle—latches on to its mother’s breast and begins to feed. My wife had never been a baby person, but when she held our firstborn, she said with an awestruck voice, I’d kill for this baby.

    Don’t you mean you’d die for her? I asked, concerned about her maternal instinct.

    No—that’d be stupid, she said. "Then I’d be dead and someone else would get her. I’d kill for her."

    Intimacy has a fierceness that distance will never know. Inside every one of us is a hunger to be accepted, and it goes deeper than any other hunger.

    We see it when two young lovers cannot stop gazing into each other’s eyes. We see it when a couple bent with age won’t go anywhere without holding each other’s arms. We see it when a child comes to us beaming with the knowledge of a secret and wants to whisper it to us. We see it in the Bible when God looks at Adam and declares, It is not good for the man to be alone, and proceeds to create a partner who is just right for him.[2]

    When we experience intimacy, we can take on whatever else life throws at us. Without it, even our greatest accomplishments ring hollow. After all, where’s the joy in success if we don’t have someone we love with whom to share it? That’s why I believe the pursuit of intimacy is the greatest, most worthwhile pursuit there is.

    Granted, for most of us, pursuing intimacy is not as simple as adding more fiber to our diets. It’s not something we can do without thinking about it. We have to work at it. But it’s worth it because deep down, we know that being close to another human being matters like nothing else in the world. And being close to God? That takes things to a whole new level.

    But maybe when you think about having an intimate relationship with God, it feels like one more obligation in an already overwhelmed life. After all, intimacy is tricky enough to pull off with a real, live, flesh-and-blood person. How can we hope to have an intimate relationship with someone we can’t even see? A spiritual being, no less.

    Well, what if I were to tell you that not only did God create you for intimacy, but he also has been pursuing an intimate relationship with you from the very beginning?

    Not long after God decided it was not good for the man to be alone, we find him walking in the Garden searching for Adam and Eve. They were his creation; he enjoyed their company, and he wanted to spend time with them. But they were hiding. Finally, he calls out, Where are you?[3]

    Unfortunately, the serpent had convinced Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and she had cut Adam in on some of the fruit. Now their relationship with God had changed—the bonds of intimacy were broken. For the first time, they realized they were naked, and they were embarrassed and ashamed. For the first time, they feared being seen and known by God. So they hid.

    Now, here’s the interesting part: God allows them to hide—because intimacy can’t be coerced. God doesn’t want compliance; he wants connection. Intimacy respects distance but isn’t content with it. Like God in the Garden, intimacy calls out, Where are you? And God, in his desire for intimacy with us, has been asking that same question ever since.

    God wants you and me at his table. Jesus says, Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends.[4]

    John, the dear friend of Jesus, was an old, old man when he recorded those words. He must have remembered a thousand meals he had shared with Jesus. And he used this image of sitting at the table with Jesus to describe an experience that is possible for you and me. When I think of love, when I think of intimacy, I think of a table—just like Jesus did.

    It’s a mystery, no question about it, that we’re invited into an intimate relationship with God. But how does that happen? Is it possible that God has been speaking to us all along, and we’ve been hearing without realizing that the whisper comes from him? Is it possible for us to draw closer to God without realizing that it’s happening? I think it is. In fact, I believe God uses our relationships with other people to teach us how to love him. The more we pursue intimacy in our other relationships, the more we see and understand God’s incredible, audacious love for us.

    But that’s getting ahead of things a little. For now, let’s talk about what I learned about intimacy on my honeymoon.

    [1] Victor Hugo, Les Misérables, vol. IV (London: George Routledge and Sons, 1887), 307.

    [2] Genesis 2:18,

    NLT

    [3] Genesis 3:8-9

    [4] Revelation 3:20,

    NLT

    CHAPTER 1

    ARE YOU WITH ME?

    WHAT INTIMACY IS

    To know and engage with someone intimately is always a crossing of a border, always fraught, even if you’ve been married fifty years.

    AMY BLOOM

    O

    NCE UPON A TIME

    , in a suburb far, far away, I thought I was going to be the greatest husband anyone had ever seen.

    And then I got married.

    Back then, I thought I knew everything there was to know about intimacy, but I had no idea how emotionally immature I was. I believed that intimacy was a feeling of closeness into which I would effortlessly fall as soon as the pastor said, You may now kiss the bride, and that everything would then be a fantastic, blissful Hollywood musical. The idea that intimacy was something I would actually have to work at never occurred to me. As you might expect, that led to a few problems.

    When Nancy and I were first dating, she would occasionally say or do something I didn’t like. Maybe she would disagree with me too vehemently in front of other people or say something that struck me as bossy or too opinionated. Ironically, part of what attracted me to her in the first place was the fact that she was a person who loved to talk and had strong opinions. And she’s always been that way. At her very first evaluation in kindergarten, her teacher said, Nancy is adjusting well, but she does have a tendency to chat during nap time. So even though I was drawn to her outgoing and expressive personality, for some reason it also bothered me.

    And I didn’t handle it very well.

    Whenever we had a disagreement, instead of being able to talk to Nancy about it, something inside me froze up, and I pouted. A lot. It was my spiritual gift. In fact, if I were a superhero, pouting would be my superpower. I would just pout the bad guys into a deep sense of guilt and remorse that would make them want to turn themselves in.

    Pouting may be a great (though admittedly unconventional) superpower, but it’s also an intimacy killer.

    On the night of our rehearsal dinner, I was upset with Nancy about something—I don’t remember what. But instead of telling her what was bothering me so we could work through it (you know, like two adults), I became politely withdrawn and distant. Of course she noticed, and as a result, what should have been a time of great joy was actually quite painful.

    The next day, without ever resolving our differences from the night before, we arrived at the church, got married, and left for our honeymoon.

    You always hear about how your honeymoon is going to be perfect, and I—being the perfect husband—had the perfect plan. Nancy was a California girl born and bred. She has always loved the ocean and the warm coastal climate. So naturally, for our honeymoon, I took her to . . . wait for it . . . Wisconsin.

    I thought, This is going to thrill her!

    Yeah. Not so much. Go figure.

    Not surprisingly, our honeymoon was an emotional roller coaster. If Nancy said or did something I didn’t approve of, instead of talking about it, I brooded and withdrew. One afternoon we were sitting by the pool (it was a beautiful day for pouting), and I was reading a book as a way of distancing myself from my bride. (That’s right, I not only brought a book on my honeymoon, but I was reading it out by the pool.) I had waited my entire life for a honeymoon. Ever since puberty, I had lived for my honeymoon. And now here I was, at a beautiful Wisconsin resort, and instead of building intimacy with my wife, I was reading a book. And not just any book, but a biography of Sigmund Freud. (No, I’m not making this up.) As you may know, Freud mostly wrote about sex. So I could have been having sex, but instead I was reading about it.

    What would Freud have said?

    What would Jesus have said?

    Here’s what Nancy said: Put down that book!

    Actually, that’s the sanitized version. In reality, she used an adjective to describe the book that was the kind of word you would use if you hit your finger with a hammer. It was a very non-Baptist word.

    Oh, man, I thought. We’re still on our honeymoon and she’s already using bad words.

    See what I did there? Instead of engaging with Nancy’s frustration, I simply criticized her means of expression. In other words, I totally missed the point.

    By telling me to put down my book and pay attention to her, Nancy was inviting me to intimacy (in her own non-Baptist way). And I was missing it. I thought of myself as someone who—by virtue of my background and training in clinical psychology and ministry—was an expert in intimacy. But I was, in fact, severely intimacy-challenged.

    UNDERSTANDING INTIMACY

    Somewhere along the way, in the minds of a lot of people in our culture, the word intimacy got all tangled up with sex. But even though there is a connection between the two words, they are not interchangeable, and one is not necessarily dependent on the other. We don’t need to have sex to be intimate with someone. And we don’t need to be intimate with someone in order to have sex. In fact, the vast majority of our intimate relationships have absolutely nothing to do with sex. Intimacy also applies to our relationships with our kids, our parents, our friends, our coworkers—and even with God.

    Intimacy is not simply a feeling. It’s not a mysterious experience that some people are born for and others are condemned to miss out on. It’s not restricted to certain temperaments, or to married couples, or to feelers on the Myers-Briggs continuum. And it’s not something that mystically occurs the moment we say, I do.

    The best definition of intimacy I know of—and the core of our journey together in this book—comes from my friend Dallas Willard.

    Dallas was the head of the philosophy department at the University of Southern California. There’s an old saying that if you’re the smartest person in the room, you’re in the wrong room. Dallas was always in the wrong room. He also knew the Bible better than anyone I’d ever met. People wanted to be around him because he constantly said unforgettable things that could not have come out of any other mouth. Things like these:

    The Kingdom of God is never in trouble. Neither are the people in it.

    Reality is what you bump into when you’re wrong.

    Christians are people who are better off dead.

    But even greater than his capacity for wisdom was his capacity to experience life as an unhurried gift—and to share this experience with others.

    One time, a friend of mine was serving as a teaching assistant for Dallas during a two-week intensive class for ministers. They stayed together in the same home, and in the evening Dallas would change from his more formal teaching clothes into Bermuda shorts and a white T-shirt, but he would leave on his brown wing-tip shoes and brown socks.

    One night, they were channel surfing and they landed on a Spanish-language program where people were doing a salsa dance, and Dallas said, That looks like fun. I should try those moves.

    The thought of Dallas Willard—a middle-aged, rural-Missouri-born, Fundamentalist-Baptist-raised expert on Husserlian phenomenology—doing salsa moves wearing Bermuda shorts and brown wing-tips is just priceless, and almost as unforgettable as his teachings.

    Anyway, he once told me, You are an unceasing flow of experiences. To be alive is to have the capacity to experience reality.

    This sounds deceptively simple, but it helped me give a

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