A city on a hill. The light of the world. The hope of nations. Are these about Jesus or America? These ideas might come from the Bible, but politicians love to apply them to our country. Why? And is there a problem with doing that?

Today, Patrick speaks with Kaitlyn Scheiss, author of The Bible and the Ballot: How Scripture Has Been Used And Abused In American Politics and How We Go From Here. Both Republicans and Democrats toss Bible verses around like a basket of rolls at a church potluck but neither wants to stick around to help clean up after.

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