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The only team that could be a draw in Vegas are the Savannah Bananas
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They offer the right mix of baseball, entertainment and fun that could compete with other Vegas offerings. As an Oakland A’s fan, I don’t see how the uprooted team could ever have the nightly sellouts that ownership is projecting.
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I want to see an MLB all star team vs the Bananas
What if we just play the all star game by bananas rules?
Yes. No walks or bunts.
And every inning counts.
And if a fan catches a foul ball, it's an out.
NO BUNTING!! NO BUNTS!!!!
I quote this line ALL the time and most people look at me like I’m crazy!
No bunts is lame
One of the most exciting plays in baseball
Wait until they play the Arlen Zephyrs.
I think this is great but the collective melt down from traditionalist fans may be as entertaining if not more. I think it would give the All Star game a uniqueness that should/would be a special treat once a year.
Something I would like to see done at the ASG is a home run distance contest with BB Core bats. The bats would give the Homer's a little more pop. I would keep the rules simple 10 players. 5 pitches, longest Homer wins and have the tie breaker be the distance of every Homer a player hits added together.
Yes I would still keep the Traditional HR derby. The way I would market it would be the baseball version of street skate boarding and half pipe skateboarding. I would even try to get different players involved so more players get the spotlight.
I would watch baseball X Games.
I love this idea
This might make the all star game watchable. Having the World Series home field advantage decided by the ASG winner should be changed to best regular season record would work perfectly for a Banana Ball ASG.
2016 was the last year the ASG determined home field advantage. Beginning in 2017 home field advantage was awarded to the team with the better regular season record.
Did you include extra words? Best record has determined home field for a few years now.
Bananas would be murdered even with Banana rules. Baseball is about their 15th priority when they’re on the field.
So one priority level higher than the White Sox.
Would be watching for entertainment not to see a good game lol
If a bloodbath is entertaining to you… If they had two MLB teams play by banana rules for a game, and cut the tiktokification out of the equation, that could be the best of both worlds.
It depends how serious they take it. Some will probably be offended and play like this game 7 of the world series, but a lot may just have fun with it, especially if they have kids.
I’m not sure you know how BananaBall works.
Just need Jake Peavy to take things seriously for 9 innings.
Would love for the Bananas have an Asia tour, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.
And isn't there plans to franchise? Vega would be a good location, as long as they play inside.
It looks like a local summer league team near me is having a game against the "Nut Smugglers" in a similar style game.
a name like that they better allow fans to smuggle in nuts to the game.
https://www.nutsmugglersbaseball.com/?fbclid=IwAR0efwCBl1pm4Ax6tpi3sdXOvj1LTlz0unx0-y9_nwTJ9kf1vvKyf3QgTwg
Tbf they did beat the shit outta the old men of MLB. Aka the Alumni association.
Most overrated thing ever. It’s for children
Every other sports league does great why would baseball be any different
It won't be, and in fact it will probably do better than most other teams in the league. Who wouldn't get a cheap ticket to Vegas to go gamble, see a show, watch your team play in Vegas? They also have a super cool stadium design
My general motto on seeing my team on the road: If the isn't within 10 hours driving distance, I ain't going there. Detroit down to Cincinatti and across to Philly is probably my line of "I don't care to spend the time or money to see anything outside these stadiums"
but I 100% will take a Vegas trip to watch them. Probably opening season and spend way too much fucking money.
because i sure as hell don't want to go to Vegas between May and Sept. 100 degrees? no thanks.
Millions of people don’t share the same view as you
Plenty of people do and will though, even if you personally don't want to. The stadium will be domed as well.
One man essentially John Fisher.
Every Vegas trip I make will now be centered around the game I can see while in town
This is what I am thinking about now as well. I get out there about 4x a year for work, I can see spending an extra day or 2 if there is a team I was to watch. Same thing for Spring Break, do we go to Vegas now instead of Florida or whatever.
They project whatever John Fisher wants them to project. Nightly sellouts is a joke. The Sox and Yankees don't even sell out every night.
Vegas, of all places will likely be at least top 3 in sell outs. Unless prices are high but the Vegas golden knights average attendance is actually over 100% per night
That’s a predominantly northern/canadian sport
Sure the argument is rinks are smaller than ball stadiums. But you’re gonna have a lot more baseball fans then hockey fans around
I've said this forever. Nobody is going to Vegas to watch sports. They will be novel for a while and sure, they'll draw some fans. But filling a 80k seat stadium 8 games a year is way easier than filling a 40k stadium 80 times. They will get decent weekend draws but who is going to a Tuesday afternoon game between the A's and the Rays?
I'm pretty curious about the costs for tickets too, because last I checked, the Raiders' ticket prices are absolutely insane. they're somehow the most expensive tickets in the NFL on average
I'm guessing Fisher thinks he's going to be able to do the same somehow (and fail spectacularly)
Right? Sports should institute a tiered pricing system where if you lost 100 games last year, tickets max out at $20 or something. Why would I wanna pay 40 bucks to sit in the nosebleeds of an empty stadium and watch a high school team get smoked by the dodgers?
I've said for years, if those teams just opened the gates, they'd probably make more $ in concessions than ticket sales to see awful baseball teams.
This is the main thing. A LOT of people in Vegas would go to games, probably even on a Tuesday. But a lot of those people are not gonna pay $50-100 for nosebleed seats when they can watch the same game from one of 20 sports books or while playing blackjack.
They’re also not going to brave the strip- almost every local I’ve heard speak of that location says it’s an absolute nightmare- unless you’re already staying in the strip
As a Rays fan, I can tell you that transplants wanting to see their home team a couple times a year doesn't fill the stadium
There’s a big difference between visiting the Trop in St. Pete and being on the Vegas strip.
This applies to every MLB team. Which team do you know of that’s selling out random, weekday afternoon games?
That's true but the point is, within 5 years, once the novelty of something new passes, they'll be back to bottom 5 attendance in the league unless they get a new owner. People complained about the world series last year being "small market" and both teams came from markets that dwarf vegas in population.
Why wouldn’t people who go to Vegas and sports bet spend a little bit extra to go watch a game ? It might not be sell outs but thinking it’s going to fail is just short sighted.
Someone should warn the aces and golden knights their attendance is going to plummet after steady increases the past 5 years
The golden knights are actually a decent team and they have to fill up half as big a stadium half as many times
The Cubs have been known to do it. Especially when they were in their contention window from 2015-2019.
Good baseball teams. Red Sox sold out 820 straight games from 2003-2013; that’s over 10 seasons.
How can you say that after it’s worked out great for two leagues….? Fool.
people really want to hate on the athletics because it is the cool thing to do. as a vegas native born and raised am absolutely thrilled to get a baseball team
Yeah they’ve consistently proven there’s a market for it, the live gambling aspect is huge for tourism too, and a lot of people don’t seem to realize just how big that urban area is.
A hockey team plays half as many games for half as many fans as baseball. It's hard to sell out a baseball stadium consistently when you're not in a tourist town and you don't win (see the Marlins) or even if you do win (see the Rays)
The Raiders and to an extent VGK get a lot of tourism fans since with football you have one game a week. Hockey in NHL very rarely do you have back to back games and when you do it’s usually against two different teams. Say the Knights have a Tuesday night home game and you’re a fan of the Bruins. You can fly out to Vegas on a Sunday, Monday heck even a Tuesday morning go to the game spend a day or two in Vegas and fly back. Baseball plays a 3 or 4 game series against the same team. How many fans of another team are going to fly out to attend a full series? How many fans of other teams are going to fly out for 1 game only?
It’s honestly unreal how so many of you question this shit and don’t think there are any professionals that make these considerations before making billion dollar decisions. I don’t know how to say it other than you guys are idiots.
Also, there are more than 2.2 million people in the Vegas area, the argument that it’s solely tourism is frankly false.
One of the biggest cities in the US and sees tourists from all over the world. There will be people flying in to see their team or favorite players from their home country solely because Vegas is a destination to go to. It will be in the top half of average attendance easily
Never said it’s solely tourism. However I’ve been to a decent amount of VGK games and I’d be willing to bet the fan mix is close to 50/50 Vegas fans and visiting team fans. In fact the Raiders had a game against the Steelers in which 64% of the attendance were from out of town. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/01/19/allegiant-stadium-attendance#:~:text=Allegiant%2520Stadium%2520sees%2520attendance%2520boost%2520from%2520Raiders%2520games%252C%2520other%2520events&text=game%2520that%2520saw%252058%252C964%2520fans,of%2520town.%E2%80%9D%2520An%2520Aug.
Vegas is one of the biggest cities in the US, it has a bigger population than quite a few other US cities with teams that do just fine, including Oakland. Pair that with it being the entertainment capital of the US, where millions of people from all over the world fly in every day, then yes, it's easy to see how it can be extremely successful. Fans of foreign players will absolutely fly to Vegas to see their favorite stars from their home country play and enjoy a trip in the downtime/before/after. I won't be surprised if Vegas is in the top half for average attendance
Millions everyday huh?
I could see baseball struggling since you play a lot of teams multiple times; but it works great for football where you can make it a destination road game since teams only visit once every 1 (division) to 8 years (out of conference)
Hopefully the locals
Man, clueless on Vegas culture
Is the stadium going to be a dome or have a retractable roof? No one is going to want to go to watch a game in an oven. In Houston, we have Minute Made and they hardly open the roof in summer. Right across the freeway is Shell Energy Stadium for the Dynamo. Mid summer, the place is an oven and is not an enjoyable experience.
No dome… and they also announced all home games start at 1pm 😂
The plans are to have a roof, it looks like sydnie operah house lol
Not true, I've known several people hop on a quick like $100 flight from CO to go see the Avs or Broncos. Not saying Rockies fans would do it cause they are trash atm, but if I was doing a quick Vegas trip I'd totally go watch a game. Especially if it were my Yankees, hell I might even plan a trip around that cause they only come to CO like every 5 years.
I've said it before, ANY Vegas team for any sport will never have a home field advantage, any team that travels well, it'll be mostly visiting team fans.
People go to Vegas for entertainment in general, and then there is a local population as well hungry for things to do that don't involve going to a casino. I don't see how you can sit there and say this when it's been pretty successful for two other major American leagues.
The hockey stadium seats 20k for 40 games a season, that's way different than 40k at 80 games a season. It's also been less than 10 years and they have actually been good the whole time. The A's will still be the A's when they get there
Tell that to the Golden Knights. Locals love their Hockey team. The Raiders are mostly a second home game. The fact they only do 8-9 games a year it makes the game a reason to go to vegas for 60k people.
The As COULD do well but definitly not a sell out every night.
that is just totally false man. i actually live in vegas and i will tell you our teams sell out whether they are good or not. not only is vegas a huge sports town, we have large influx of road fans that come to the games.
as a baseball fan myself you can count on me and all my baseball friends to be at as many games as possible win or lose
Even the aces are drawing well right
Interesting, the Raiders were 31st in home attendance last year. You and your buds must not be football fans.
Stupid comment, the Raiders play in the 3rd smallest stadium in the NFL
They also weren’t 31st, they were 22nd. 32 was the Chicago Bears. Is this because BEARS FANS aren’t loyal enough or because Soldier Field is the smallest stadium in the league?
The Raiders are sold out for every game and have a 96% capacity average for physical attendance, the team has TRIPLED in franchise value since moving ($2.4 billion in 2018, $6.2 billion today)
yup every game i have been to has been to has been packed. folks love their narrartives
I have season tickets to the raiders and I have never been to a game that was not absolutely packed lmfao
Please go to Chicago and shit on Bears fans for not being loyal because their stadium doesn’t seat 90,000 people.
I don’t like the “road team fans” part of this. No matter the sport, we’re all bound to see some opposing jerseys in the stands, but having that as a part of the business model/ticket sales hypothetical, doesn’t feel great as a fan
It wouldn't feel great for the players having no homefield advantage.
people love to come visit here thats just how it is
There's reasons to care about the Golden Knights or the Aces. The Raiders or Athletics though? Why would the city turn out for teams that have shown they have no intention of putting a good team together or adding value to the city they play out of?
Ever been to a LV Raiders game? It is a SHOW within the game! It’s LV, no other city like it. Baseball will sell out as well.
these people just talking out of their ass lmfao
lol … it’s Vegas.
They’ll get 20k walk up on accident and another 10k from road fans taking vacations.
What fanbase (except for Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox) would draw 10k visiting fans for a weekday series?
Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, and Giants will draw more like 20-30k “visiting” fans who actually live in Las Vegas, and that might be underselling it. There’s easily 5-10k fans of a lot of teams in Vegas, the population is super transient. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Indians, Astros, etc. all do well.
People here are just ignoring the fact that Vegas has the most successful AAA team in baseball right now, highest attended team in MiLB last year. It literally disproves the idea that Vegas isn’t going to support baseball.
No one cares about the banana bs the As will do great just like the raiders and knights
The number of entries for their ticket lottery for their Fenway game could have sold out Fenway for a few weeks straight. It’s fine if they’re not your thing but you’re delusional if you think there isn’t demand for their product.
The bananas sold out Minute Maid in Houston back in March so people clearly do care about them. They put on a show. Thats something that will draw a Vegas crowd more than a random daytime mid-off between the A’s and the White Sox. NFL and NHL don’t have nearly as many home games in the season to try to sell tickets for as MLB either. Easier to fill an NFL stadium 8 times a season than an MLB stadium 80 times a season.
I think they'll do well in Vegas. There are endless people cycling into LV looking for activities and with cash to burn.
The locals really embraced the knights hockey team, I'm not totally sure what local support is for the raiders but attendance appears to be good.
I think they'd really have to be awful for it to not work,
Well, you don’t sound biased at all.
Who said they need nightly sellouts?
I have to wonder what makes anyone thinks people in LV will give a hoot about the A's when ownership/management has shown they don't care in the least about fans and winning... feels like they're just hoping for tourist dollars from out of town fans.
Vegas has a metro area of over 2 million and has over 200k visitors on any given day. Pro sports have already proven to be a success there. It’s only a matter of time until an NBA team follows suit
The same way a hockey team in Vegas averaged 103% capacity attendance. Leave the projections to the experts
There's so much to do in Vegas, no one's gonna waste money on a baseball game unless they're full of stars and winning.
People forget about the continuing population growth of Las Vegas. It's population is over 650,000 which is 200,000 larger than Oakland. The reason Vegas is getting sports team is it's population growth over the last few decades, getting travelling fans is a bonus.
I mean the East Bay has 2.8 million people. If you take away the parts furthest from Oakland and just included cities that are a 30 minute drive or Bart ride away that’s atleast 1 million people that live close to the stadium. So the population argument doesn’t hold. Vegas will get away fans and gamblers at those games.
Yep. The county I live in was consistently 2nd in growth behind Vegas for years in the early 2000’s.
NHL Golden Knights seem to be doing fine - I won’t mention the Raiders since football would sell out regardless but if the NHL can sell out so can baseball.
The Athletics in Vegas are just another residency like the Raiders. Fans of other teams booking hotels to go see their favorite team play away from home. And I’m sure the casinos will comp tickets to the whales.
Why? All other professional teams that moved to Vegas have been sucessfull. What are you basing that on?
I think your post is a bit more wishful thinking than reality based OP.
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It's not. This is just another Fischer hate post (which he deserves). Vegas is full of fans that have to drive 5 hours to Anaheim or Phoenix to see a game. plus visitors they will sell tickets fine. I grew up on the east coast and have been out in Vegas for like 7-8 years.
Aces are Reno. Vegas has the 51s.
Aces are WNBA. Vegas' triple A team is the Aviators.
And most importantly, a 2 hour limit. You can plan around banana ball.
I could see the A’s not doing well but I think a well run team would do just fine. It is the sport of summer which fells like that would help Vegas. Get the vacationers that like baseball.
The Vegas draw will be with the visiting teams. So many people in Vegas are from other areas or fans of other teams. Each visiting team will have plenty of fans coming to see them.
What did Savannah do to you?
I wonder if the plan is reliant on the airport at all, if they make tickets available easily I could see them filling a stadium between fly in traffic and tourist but half the people will be especially drunk and wearing what every they flew in wearing it would deff be odd
Yeah, especially if the A's only want to play 72 home games.
The draw to Vegas is for any team because people will travel to Vegas to watch baseball because it gives them an excuse to go to Vegas. That is where the high attendance comes from.
The casinos will collectively buy more in season tickets by themselves than the A's currently sell any night of the year in Oakland...
Even if they come up short on the projections, it would be hard to double or even triple their current attendance figures.
The Party Animals already claim Vegas as their home, even though their home is Savannah.
It will bring opponents fans
I mean hockey worked baseball is twice as popular in the US, they’ll probably be way better in Vegas than in Oakland.
They’ll be fine probably
We spend a week every year out there, and now I get to see a ballgame while there? Someone with kids, any opportunity to see a game is a win
Went to Vegas last year and people were RABID about the Golden Knights. Granted, they just won the Stanley Cup, but I see no reason why the Athletics wouldn’t at the very least pull better attendance than a handful of existing teams in the league
A’s fans trying to cope is the hardest part of this baseball season.
The Clowns. Let’s bring back the Clowns.
I saw them when they came to town. I was expecting a show and got one. What I wasn’t expecting was for these dudes to be really good baseball players, but they were awesome.
Now if only they spent more time on their baseball as they do on their choreographed dance recitals, they could go further in baseball.
These are people who have gone are far as they’re already did in baseball. Retired MLB players, or minor leaguers that know they will never get to the show. So why not have fun?
Fair enough! As my dad would have said, "if it's not harming anyone or affecting your day, then who cares?!"
They definitely won’t do worse than they’re doing in Oakland.
Lets look at the Golden Nights as a comparison.
They sold tens of thousands of season tickets (including packages) as corporate giveaways.
They get a ton of away fans as Vegas is a cheap vacation destination (if you want it to be cheap).
Vegas has a growing population.
Vegas in summer is "off season" and they get summer conventions and trade shows. Might as well see a ball game after talking about insurance all day.
I think in 10 years Vegas will have top 10 attendence BUT you will see complaints that there are too many away fans.
This is gonna be kind of a long comment, but I think we can see why MLB and the A's probably won't work in Vegas by looking at a team that did: the Golden Knights. My family and I went to a Knights game on our trip to Vegas a few years ago, and I swear the entire game (plus the pregame processions) was as much of a spectacle as it was a hockey game. They absolutely pulled out all the stops to make sure the fans were thoroughly entertained for the from puck drop to buzzer, perfectly using the indoor setting for lights, sound effects, and so much more. The spread out, outdoor setting of baseball kind of limits their ability to put on a show and build an atmosphere in the same the Knights do. The fun thing about the Bananas is that the "game" is the show, but with serious sports teams, they would have inject entertainment value independent of the actual sport to appeal to the Vegas crowd, just like the Knights do. Plus, as much as I love this sport, we have to admit that we don't have the same uninterrupted, fast paced action that ice hockey does, and that might make it a harder sell for the Vegas crowd. There's also the fact that the Knights caught fire and won their conference right off the bat, and the A's are a god awful trash fire that will take years to rebuild. It's a lot more entertaining when the team actually wins, and Vegas fans didn't need to wait for their Knights to start winning. I think part of why so many major sports leagues are eyeballing Vegas is because the Knights have done so well in building their fanbase there, but I'm not sure that an MLB team, especially the A's, could recreate the same perfect storm that has endeared the Golden Knights to the Sin City. Idk, those are just my two cents.
Perhaps Bettman needs to be MLBs comminisior. You forgot to mention how he changed the rules so the Knights would be a success with a great team off the get-go (borderline playoff bound was the expectations). That cup win was such bs and a slap to the face on other expansions teams. Glad to see the Panthers will win it the proper way.
They'll do better in Vegas than they did in Oakland
As an A’s fan, you should know your Minor League team is the Las Vegas Aviators, who are currently the most attended and supported team in Minor League Baseball
Your own organization disproves your point
I think the As will sell really well in Vegas. I don’t think they’ll have the fan base they did in Oakland but a lot of Vegas tourist will come to a game night in night out so I imagine they’ll sell just fine.
It’s about the people who live and work in Vegas. Go watch the documentary “Valiant” about the Golden Knights. They have a great fan base of home grown Las Vegas people who have always loved sports but never had a team. Now they have hockey and football, why not baseball. Let alone there’s travellers there 24/7/365. If I’m going to Vegas in April or September, 100% I’m trying to go to an MLB game. Guaranteed fans at games in Vegas. My condolences to Oakland fans, losing two franchises to LV. The Oakland A’s will forever be in my heart from growing up and watching Moneyball and all the young talent that’s been dispersed through the league from them.
Vegas would absolutely have nightly sellouts and would probably have some of the highest attendance in the league
Sellouts? No. But anywhere is better than the hellhole that is Oakland. They’ll certainly do better there. I sympathize with your plight as a fan but here’s a tip stop electing those pieces of human garbage to run your towns and you won’t lose all your teams.
What’s the difference? Nobody goes to the Oakland games. I truly don’t understand why everyone is so surprised this is happening. Sure it’s sad for Oakland fans but in my experience they Play in a dump and literally nobody goes
I think the A’s new stadium will be the most state of the art ghost town in Nevada.