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Posted by: ezralimm Jan 30 2008, 11:45 PM
I will add stories as they pop up in Cupid's Corner. Feedback is welcome and sensible comments will
be appended to the first post
Im just a simple guy who's fed up of hearing:

1) Guys whining about how they are ignored by the girls they are after... even though they were
"nice". (read: effiminate, but they didnt know)
2) Guys who claim that girls are all after money.
3) Girls who keep on telling guys that they are looking for some one "nice", "sweet" or "caring". It is
not wrong, but tt's not even half the truth.
I have had some experience in relationships and would like to share what i have come to discover
over the years. A somewhat abstract summary of the points here can be found
http://ezralimm.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008-building-mystery.html
http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html is a must read as well.
Read the stories in the spoilers then read the principles I deduced from them.
The Guide (scroll down, below the basic principles) does not apply to men who do not
fulfill the criteria outlined in the basic 8 principles.
BASIC 8 PRINCIPLES <--README FIRST!!!

True Story
Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide...

QUOTE
Let me see how should i start?

I'm a succesfull computer engineer in a growing company which is expanding... I have a
very intresting personality, i do not feel akward when i meet anyone new... people in my
company loves me because i cheer up the office everytime i come back to the office after
my business trips... I feel very happy when people appreciates me...
Talking to girls is not a problem and going for outings with them such as lunch or shopping
after work is basically fine with me... I spend a lot of time with girls then boys ! Anyway if i
like a girl i will spend more time with them and sometimes i feel that the girl is waiting my
move to hold their hand or say something sweet... but this is my problem... i cannot pull the
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"Trigger" to say I LOVE YOU or even hold that girls hand... This problem has made me lost
out in a lot of girls and seeing them going out with other boys...
Whats wrong with me...???
True Story
QUOTE
i have posted abt me being rejected last year, it all went okay after that with her. suddenly
right up to this moment, shes avoiding me? why now? im totally confused, why didnt she
avoided me earlier but now? wtf? I've asked her, and she said yes im avoiding you, im
going to keep a distant between us. But seriously, the things that had been through is
simply too much, i couldnt accept this, it just came so sudden.
So basically, the conversation between the two of us has somewhat been very awkward and
she gets very sensitive over small matters that i do to her. Lets say, i play around with her,
she will get mad at me. Im joking with her, she will get sensitive about it. I try to talk to her
nicely, her responses were rather vague.
We hang out with the same bunch of people, so there is one guy, lets just call him J. She
will be by his side all the time, during meals, movies, outings etc. Before, they werent even
close at all, barely known each other. And whenever i tried to talk to her when J is around,
she will quickly go over to this J and start talking to him and ignore me like i dont even
exist. OK fine, i know people will tell me stay cool and stuff but i just couldnt bare to see. I
dunno if this is her tactic to make me leave her even faster? Thats my view so far on her.
Yes, i know some of you guys will say " TS, just forget bout her and move on with your life".
The answer is i cant as of now. At this stage, it can be said completely impossible to make
her my gf, but thats not the point im creating this thread for. Im only hoping that she can be
what she used to be, a caring, kind, adorable, helpful girl that i have known.
What am i suppose to do?
Im completely down and i just need a sensible replies from the forummers here.
And for those who wants to flame me, please go ahead.
Thanks.
True Story
QUOTE
generally, there's this girl i liked alot, and seriosly i mean alot, we knew each other for
almost a year now, but we were only quite close for about 2month
in this 2month, really is the moment of my life, we've been true sweat, sad , funny
moments.( she already know i like her alot, but we still kinda hang out as mutual friends)
but the sad truth is she alway said that i treats her very good but we would be better of
being friends and she doesnt have feeling for me
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i know that you people will properly advice me to move on and all, but i really dont want to,
i really like her so much, i dont want to let her go..NO is not a answer for me
the problem is, recently, it seems that she feels that i am too good to her, and there's thing
i should not be involve in, as in i care too much of her, she says that she will get pressured
whenever i am around, she doesnt even want to go out with me ( just 2 of us) anymore .
and she's getting "fan gan" of the things i did.
sometimes, when i am at her house or anyplace, she doesnt seem to want to talk to me
anymore, like being rejective and not as caring and friendly toward me anymore
i felted that our friendship is slowy drifting away, but i really dont know what to do, cause i
dont want to see her everyday and in the end she's just my normal friend, i really want to
be in a relationship with her.
i really dont know what i can do , to fixs this mess now..
i really want our friendship to be back as lasttime.
Basic Principle 1
Girls want MEN for sex. They want people with low self
esteem and ego as "friends" to talk about emotions and
stuff. Explanation: Girls are not sexually attracted to guys
who are so nice to a point where they are effectively friends.
Think the guys from Queer Eye For The Straight Guy.
Effiminate, soft spoken friendly guys. Some end up being
"friends" with the girls they are interested in. The unlucky
ones end up becoming cuddle b!tches (see definition below)
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True Story
QUOTE
Stated serious talk. Please. I'm not in a good mood d. This is the place i can ask for opinion.
So pls...no bullshit.
okay, sorry for being rude. i cant stand it..
I try to force myself to writing something coz actually i oso dno whats wrong with her.all
happen in a sudden.
Last friday i still went out with her, a normal date that every couple would do it.i sent her
home. she gave me a goodbye kiss and said i love u to me. everthing seems fine till the
next day.she start ignoring me ( din reply my msg,din pick up my call) till today.
i called more then 10 times and sent her more than 10 sms.
not even one replied.
what happen actually?
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Basic Principle 2
Girls want a guy who is not desperate. Explanation:

Desperation is a sign that a guy is not dominant: the
OPPOSITE of an Alpha Male. A desperate guy is not worth
chasing.
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True Story
QUOTE
Thing happen like for almost 2 month. We be in this relationship for 8 month almost 1 year.
Last year was my time for my spm i study hard and overcome my test. Well my gal she the
one who going to take this year. From last 2 month back December 1st 2007 she been
acting weird. just before last month she call me up and told me. She decided to break off
with me and cry for 2 ~ 3 days thinking about it and etc etc. But in the end she say she
think over and over she give me 1 more chance to prove that i respect her trust her and
many other thing. From that day on ward nothing good happen. She been avoiding me, Nvr
call me up, Done nothing as a gf
Status of our relationship
Boy <TS>
Parent : Met before parent satisfy with it
Friend : All know and always support me.
Brother Sister ? : Happy with it. Support me
Love : Love her with all my heart
Sacrifice : When she call up from her house i will drive to buy a single lunch and go over
her place and give her and went back home like a stupid guy (Pizza Delivery)
1 Leg on 2 boat : Nvr
Betray her? : NVR
Girl <TS gal>
Parent : Nvr met before, can't even talk to them.
Friend : Only a few know. She say she doesn't want let too many people know.
Brother sister : Brother doesn't know / Sister, YEs in fact her sis Maple charather lvl 100++
kena hack suspect that i'm the one who hack her.
Love : Previous yes. After tat nvr have.
Sacrifice : Yes she does in the first 3 ~4 month after that ... u guy know right ?
1 Leg on 2 boat : Unsure
But i believe she won't
Betray Him<ts> : Unsure ;( Not very sure. Sometime i try to trust her but my heart doesn't
.. its like a kind of feel i fear
When She sick i wake up middle of midnight cook soup / boil some herbal tea and take over
to let her drink the nxt day. Even i doesn't have enough sleep or even i doesn't have vehicle
i will Walk about 4~5 km or more to her house ( YES really try before ) or cycle over to her
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house. Just to let her drink. Everytime i visit her i buy her breakfast. Birthday Purposely
went to order a cake from secret recipe and wanna put a maple yeti pic on the cake but not
enough time i cancel the order even i had to pay the money without having the yeti
(wasted). Gave her my gold necklace which was given from my grand grand mother. Went
to langkawi with friend the whole time just paying attention to my phone. Pay for her phone
bill, Bought her a phone.
But in the end all i done. I get this result
She avoiding me .. didn't call me up nvr did anything for me right now. When kena accident
she nvr call up. Even after 2nd day i accidently just call up and ask me what happen. i get
so frustrated and say nothing.
True Story
QUOTE
generally, there's this girl i liked alot, and seriosly i mean alot, we knew each other for
almost a year now, but we were only quite close for about 2month
in this 2month, really is the moment of my life, we've been true sweat, sad , funny
moments.( she already know i like her alot, but we still kinda hang out as mutual friends)
but the sad truth is she alway said that i treats her very good but we would be better of
being friends and she doesnt have feeling for me
i know that you people will properly advice me to move on and all, but i really dont want to,
i really like her so much, i dont want to let her go..NO is not a answer for me
the problem is, recently, it seems that she feels that i am too good to her, and there's thing
i should not be involve in, as in i care too much of her, she says that she will get pressured
whenever i am around, she doesnt even want to go out with me ( just 2 of us) anymore .
and she's getting "fan gan" of the things i did.
sometimes, when i am at her house or anyplace, she doesnt seem to want to talk to me
anymore, like being rejective and not as caring and friendly toward me anymore
i felted that our friendship is slowy drifting away, but i really dont know what to do, cause i
dont want to see her everyday and in the end she's just my normal friend, i really want to
be in a relationship with her.
i really dont know what i can do , to fixs this mess now..
i really want our friendship to be back as lasttime
Basic Principle 3
Girls hate to be smothered/suffocated with too much

attention. Explanation: Such attention is a pretty sure sign of
insecurity / desperation / weakness / non-dominance. Of
course, the guy would say that it is because he loves her bla
bla bla... but in reality, she's the only thing he's got going for
him. A socially dominant guy does not revolve around his girl.
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He HAS A LIFE... he pwns others in sports, or makes alot of

money.. whatever your definition of social dominance is. Girls
are not sexually attracted to guys who dont have a life.
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True Story
QUOTE
Good guy here.

You see, everytime I want to become a bad guy, a girl always know that I'm faking it.
The only natural moments I have is when I'm a good guy.
Girls don't need good guys don't they? Is either they choose bad guys, or good guys who
pretends to be bad guys.
But how do you pretend to be someone you're not? And since being a bad guy is the best
solution for girls to like you, then how come they always know that you're not being
yourself?
For the girls to be happy, I think all good guys should kill themselves. Life will be much
easier.
Basic Principle 4
Girls like guys who are dominant. You can be as nice as

you want, but as long as you are a "nice" footstool, girls will
not be attracted to you. In other words, put your balls on the
table and talk and girls would start to respect you and view
you as a prospective partner (ie. someone they would like to
sleep with. Note: being dominant doesnt mean being a
jerk/bad guy.
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True Story
QUOTE
Greetings
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Okay, long story short, I am single, and I fall in love with my best friend. But sadly she
already got boyfriend sad.gif
Well actually its okay. I'm actually really glad if she is happy.
But nowadays, I can sense something wrong with her. She sometimes get jealous when I
hang out with someone, like she has feeling on me.
Some additional story to explain why do I think she has feeling on me smile.gif
last time, i like this one girl..since she is my bestfriend, i discussed with her about that, and
she did encouraged me to confess it to her..it was her friend btw..
so after i confessed, i got rejected..no problem, life goes on..we (me and that gurl i
confessed to) still friends, like usual..
one time, when we were YMing, i only YMed this gurl, but not my best friend..
as a result, she avoided my cl and didnt reply my sms..so after convinced her, she said that
she "touching" with me becoz of not YMing her that time.
and 1 more worst situation, just happened recently..i called both of them to hang out last
weekend..but sadly my bestfriend didnt pickup the call, maybe she was asleep, so i just
hanged out with that girl..and then, after knew we were hanging out, she totally avoided my
sms and call, she even switched off her hp..
and suddenly i found her at Plaza Alam Sentral, so we met..from her face and body
expression, i can totally felt that she is kinda uncomfortable seeing me..
so i was actually kinda mad with her attitude, the i went home..
she smsed, i didnt reply..then she called, we discussed..she told me that she is totally angry
with me becoz hanging out with her..
i kinda knew the answer, but i still asked, but she didnt want to answer..
the call ended with not-too happy ending..we forgave each other, and we are still friends,
but she still dont want to explain why she was angry..
so basically from all that happened, im not sure, but i can feel that she likes me, even she
already got bf
=====================================================================
So what should I do guys? Should we meet up and discuss about this matter seriously?
I don't mind what her answer might be. Its ok if she does like me, and it also ok if she
doesnt. All I want is to be her frined smile.gif
Hope to get some help here. I'm really appreciate it.
Thanks
Basic Principle 5
Girls want guys who are the object of desire of other

girls. Explanation: I know it sounds counter-intuitive. If you
are a guy who is sought after by other girls, or have the
potential to ask out a number of reasonably attractive girls,
then the girl that you are interested in would be much more
likely to want to go out with you, even if she's already seeing
someone else! Assuming that the "someone else" is less
socially dominant and less sought after than you.
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True Story
QUOTE
Two yrs ago I got chase this girl , "GND" (Gal-next-door type), this gal from C at C ity, werks
in KL, is nice fair gal with long hair, girl-next-door type, wub.gif wub.gif
and she is friends wif me, we got hang out in group, so I got buy gifts for her, ask her out,
she got go wif me , but i was totaly nuts over her, dunno why, more so than others gal i met
b4 ...
Then I got confess to her, she sked, avoid me ...
bit and move on lar ...
so I tutup kes, emo a
Lately, she got call me, say meet up, I meet up yumcha (no MLM, whew...)
So she said, hows things lar.. she single now (i asked, of course), she say just relaxing
being single,
but her attittude to me is change from before, for long time she avoid me, nvr answer my
call, go out in group she try not to talk to me, i also biarla, cos group of frens, i also avoid
going if i knoes she go...
She'll MSN me now every once in a while, ask me makan edi, what i do weekend...
So I feels, hey, relationship is a funny thing, even if there is attraction, but come different
time, is it fated not be together? while now i am single, i edi moved on, with diff focus and
expectations...
I not to say lansi, just that its about timing ...

right feel, right time for both party is important, u guys opinion? any of u same case, where
the timing was wrong altogether?
Basic Principle 6
If a girl rejects you. Turn around and dont look back.

She may come back if circumstances change. Even if you
are rejected initially, take it like a man, ignore her, and
eventually she will respect you for ignoring her and may come
back when circumstances change. Explanation: Single girls
get more insecure as they get older. They know that their
beauty is fading. By their late 20s, seeing how the elligable
bachelors are all being snapped up, a slightly above average
girl who was a hot catch in her teens, but is still single, will
look back at potential partners.
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True Story - A Lady's Opinion
QUOTE
I MUST find someone that has the same intelligence if not

higher/better than mine. i don't know why but i need my boyfriend to be
smarter than me(but i think that it's quite easy to find one coz i don't think i'm that smart
either
). i feel proud to have a smart boyfriend
being the not-so-pretty me, i do set standards for both character and looks. it would be effin
fake for me to say looks would not be important because it is important. of course i do not
need to have tht brad pitt look or george clooney charm kinda boyfriend. but i do need my
boyfriend to be presentable and be able to look good at times when needed(when? up to my
very own preference). i wouldn't wanna be walking around with an empty vessel with only
looks but nothing in the inside.
and yes, boyf is quite smart(i think). being the straight A's student but he's with me, the not
so intelligent one. but we're doing quite well in sustaining(till now
Basic Principle 7
Finally, yes. Brains does matter. No girl likes to be the

intelectually dominant partner. They want someone they could
talk to and get an intelligent response. Note that the lady
mentioned that she does set standards for both character and
looks - there is a reason why this is principle no 7 and not
principle no 1. Also note that she put "I MUST" in caps. Yes,
it's quite an important point. Coming to think of it, I dont
know of any guy who's dating a girl significantly more
intellectual than he is. Do you? However, keep in mind that
intellectual dominance must not be confused with "nice guy"
effeminate chitter chatter. Speak wise. She will respect you
for it.
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True Story - Another lady. On communication.
QUOTE
And so I've learned that there is such a thing as PM limits in LYN. Sorry I can't reply to
those who have PM-ed so far.
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Um... it's nice to see my thread getting quite heart-to-heart. I'm pretty sure I'm not out
looking for my one true love via LYN. But I'm open to anything. I guess I won't have high
expectations... what am I expecting from ppl who hang out on LYN all the time?
I have to say for the most part, you're all pretty genuine...
I'll be online for the next 40 mins or so. What we can do of course is have an audio chat ...I
can hear how you speak. Some of you don't type very good English... sooooo...
that's a bit of a letdown.
Basic Principle 8
Yes, basic language/communication skills apply.

Explanation: This story comes from a lady who had numerous
guys contact her on MSN over just a few days. She is now
considering using audio chat. Why? Simple, you can tell alot
about a person from the way they speak. Language is
subjective, but approaching a girl in her mother tongue is a
good idea. She is disappointed that some guys couldnt even
chat properly - they are unlikely to be much better with audio
chat - and subsequently, in real life.
Note: It doesnt matter what language you are using. If the lady's mother tongue is malay, and
you are fluent in malay, then use it to the best of your ability. Avoid using broken language.
Sometimes, trying to sound cool just ends up being childish or lame. It is advisable to use the
lady's mother tongue if you are good at it. Otherwise, stick to the language you are familiar
and confident with. Avoid broken language.
Let The Hunt Begin!
Under construction... Check back frequently!

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True Story
QUOTE
A guy, past his mid 20s, is looking for a serious relationship. He 5ft 6" and under 60kg.
Quite skinny for a guy his age and he does not have a very attractive body. He is simply an
average joe working in the IT sector. He's looking for love online, and wants a girl who is
quite slim and attractive (~55kg, ~5ft 5"). However, it is unlikely that his online attempt
would be successful as many girls who fit the criteria he specifies would already be
taken/unavailable.
Keeping It Real
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Many people are quite arrogant when it comes to relationships. They

expect their ideal partner to show up one day and fall for them. They
dont realize that in the real world, their own attractiveness also makes a
difference in the choices they would have. If you are a really pretty lady
with a decent personality, you can afford to be choosy as guys would be
falling for you all the time. Hence, if you are a guy going after the pretty
lady, you must be more attractive than all the other guys also going
after her. Looks does matter asides from the basic principles mentioned
above. Nobody can tell you what your standard should be, but as a
rough guide, if you are finding it impossible to get a date with the girls
you are interested in, you should consider lowering your standard to a
point where you are comfortable.
True Story
QUOTE
well...i have a crush toward my colluegue who is 10 year elder then me...okok i seek a lot
advice frm frenz and most told me age is not a issue nowadays as long both thinking can
cope with each other...but i just worry duno wat he think and mayb he might just treat me
as his sister..
he is very seriuos in his work and didnt talk to other people much...oway
the cool and serious face in office seldom smile...in other word he is 1 level up then
us(boss)....his daily life is go office work at 8am and finish work 5pm then mostly stay at
office till 8pm oni go home...after home he rest and go eat wif his housemate then watch tv
and dat da call off the day...
dis few week i started to know more bout him and start chat wif him and sms wif him
eventually he did reply me and we have gone out to have dinner few times togather :)after
da dinner we know each other better...but the part i confuse is sometime i sms him he din
reply me...and oway is i sms him 1st and oso to invite or ask him for dinner...he never ask
me have dinner b4 or sms me ...oni work related sms he oway sent to me ...
yesterday he is sick and have flu and i m happy i brave enough to make him a bottle of
herbal tea and gave him to drink to cure his flu...
...he accept and he say tq 2 me...i m
so happy when he say dat 2 me...duno why but i juz feel so nice....when we talk and eat
dinner togather he is very casual wif me and joke wif me oso...but in office of coz we dun
talk much coz i dunwan ppl say he bias to me...and my colluegue told me dat is some
rumours spread around us coz when we have gathering dinner he fetch me gather in his car
oni me n him...dat nite 1 of my colluegue ask him this question :what relationship both of
you? but he juz kept quiet and ignore her question...
in other colluegue eyes,he is known as very stright and serious in his work and coz he
staying wif his housemate and oway go work 2gather so they once say he is gay...although
all dat i have heard but he juz simply captured my eye and heart...after few time dinner and
casual chatting wif him i can say he is not a romantic guy but he is caring and can give me
secure feeling and i feel comfortable wif him...as i get to know frm his close housemate...so
far he never date any gul or go out wif any gul yet...and frm his hp inbox msg(accidently
open
coz take his phone play game and he ask me keep his phone for him)...he oni
sms wif me....

but i m so confuse when i sms him sometime he dun reply me...my friend say he might
busy but anyhow oso at least can reply a sms rite?hrm....confuse and i duno wheather he
know i have feeling toward him onot...my frenz say he does know coz if he duno he wont
ignore the rumours and will be avoilding me and wont have dinner wif me alone...
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a noob question to guys...if a gul ask u out for dinner few time and make u a bottle of
herbal tea when u sick then sent sms to concern about u..will u guy know or sense that the
gul like u or have crush on u?
aarrghh....i m so confuse here...i duno wat to do now...he is flying back to kuching tonight
and away for 2 weeks oni back to work...wat should i do
to let him know i have a crush on him?i m fear to tell him straight face to face...oso i duno
wat he will think of our age gap...or he proberly juz treat me as his sister
..wat should i
do?haiz
Keeping Cool
Predators hunt in the wild. Making too much noise while approaching
your prey scares them away (they would think you are desperate/nondominant). So, keep cool. Like the wolf stalking it's prey, the predator
knows to keep his distance. Dont fall head over heels just because a girl
shows interest in you. The more you elude the girl the more she would
try to unravel your http://ezralimm.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008building-mystery.html. Hence, play it cool. Ask her out. Dont ever give
her the impression that you're desperate for her - that is a sign of
weakness. Take your time replying SMSes/MSN/YM/emails. When you
bump into her, just say hi. That is your bait. Wait for her to call. What if
she doesnt contact you? Well, keep working on the basic 8 principles
- you arent attractive enough yet to get a response from the girl. The
girl knows she can do better and wont go after you.
True Story
It's a cool autumn night, Jenny is in the car beside you. You are driving around looking for a
place to eat at 12am. It's a public holiday and the usual midnight hangouts are closed. On the
way back, she asks you about a girl whom you were once courting... You start to panic: What
does she know? What could she know? She then tells you that she knows many of the people
whom you know are within social groups of people who know your history...
It's A Small World After All: Discretion...

Girls talk. Guys think that by confessing their love etc etc they are
making a good move by letting the girl aware of their interest in them.
What they dont realize is that it WILL haunt them in the years to come
for the simple reason that Girls Talk!! Yup, they invented the internet
before the guys at DARPA. It's called Girl-net, and it operates at a speed
we internet users cant even begin to comprehend!
True Story
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QUOTE(vey99 @ Mar 21 2008, 10:37 A M)
On behalf of my fren, Fire.

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I currently chase these two gal, April and June. April is eng ed gal, June is chinese ed gal,
both also I love, we very ngam, steady chat, go out dating a bit ...
Last nite, I MSN wif both of them at same time, and wif a few other ppl also. I salah send
this message to June, that was meant for April:
Fire: "Ei, so tmrw nite, gimme a sneak preview, tell me waht u gonna wear la, i very excite
la... (L) (L)"
June: ??? ??? (dint u say tmrw u not free see me?)
Fire: (PANIC )
June: ... ??? (r u talking with another gal???)
Fire: ... ... (i joking lar, dun have)
June: !! ??? (bstard! u think i idiot??)
Then she offline dy ... chia lat
I try sms, call, she dun answer, .... how to recover??? I really liek her
Mebbe a little more than April oso ... anyone can help me find recovery method ...
So you think you're a player...

You see it in the movies, you see it in F.R.I.E.N.D.S. No, it does not
usually happen in real llife. Im sure some highly
attractive/rich/socially_dominant/powerful/elligable bachelors can hit on
more than one girl and get away with it. But face it, a huge majority of
guys cant even get the courage to hit on one girl. So let's get realistic
and not bee to egoistial. Hitting on more than one lady at a time is
suicide. As per point above, girls talk, and if you think you can get away
with it, you are gravely mistaken. The guys who do get away with it are
so dominant/powerful/rich that their partners actually dont mind (eg. our
ex health minister's wife actually stood by him
). Are you a
minister? I think not... so better stick to one at a time.
Dont get me wrong though, if you are still single and playing the field, it's
ok to give the more than one lady subliminal clues that you are
interested in her - so long as it's SUBLIMINAL. A bouquet of roses is NOT
subliminal. You will be surprised how fast news of the roses would
spread to every available girl in your social circle in a few days. An extra
second of eye contact and a slight smile is subliminal. The girl would
"think" that you are interested in her, but can never say for sure.
Ladies tend to keep their intuitions to themselves - it's a good thing.
True Story
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QUOTE(aaronoid @ Jan 22 2008, 08:38 PM)
Recently I had a crush on this girl, who is a very independent girl. She is one of the top
scores in my degree classes, she has been president for many situations.... and I cant seem
to get to her
Shes on the plump side but her smile just melts me down.
She tells me that she currently has nobody on her mind. I dare not tell her how I feel about
her as she has shown not much interest in me, she only treats me like a friend. Whats more
is that we've agreed to be group members for a number of our assignments, I'm afraid if it
turns sour things might really get screwed up.
A few months later...

QUOTE(aaronoid @ Mar 26 2008, 07:37 PM)
Some of you may have seen my last thread few months back~ you can read it up here.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=617423&hl
I took some advise... and wait... and get closer to her. We did get closer.. but...
I'm starting to feel stupid going after her. Day in day out I do my best to keep her happy. I
find ways to help her. I listen to her troubles. I listen to her anger when shes angry at
others. Practically.. I'm there for her almost everytime she needs me.
She calls me up when she has a problem, but pushes me away when I'm not needed....
Most of the time when I'm with her friends or just with the company of someone else.... she
tends to just... leave me out.
But when I'm alone with her... she gives me attention.
fark.. I feel like I'm just a toy, use to hug when its a rainy day, pushed into the closet
during the other days.... I just want to be appreciated by her once in a while... *sigh*
The CuddleB!tch Dilemma: NEVER be a "friend".

Things go bad, very bad, when a lady starts to dominate a relationship.

You see, ladies arent sexually attracted to footstools, although
footstools are handy to rest their tired legs after chasing other guys.
Notice in the example above, this poor soul broke every principle I've
mentioned so far? He became an emotional footstool. Im sure she
considers him a "nice guy" to talk to, but as a partner in bed? Hell no.
She enjoys socializing with other people more than with him! This means
that she is still playing the field.
So he is left clueless why she doesnt seem interested in him even
though he has "been there for her" and showered her with lots of
attention. Girls dont want attention. They subconsciously want to be
dominated. NO, not BDSM kinky type domination. I mean, they want to
feel secure around a guy. A rock solid shoulder (figuratively) to cry on
rather than an empathetic wuss to cry with - that's usually the role of
girlfriends and gayfriends.
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Leave her to fend for herself. Dont speak too much to her. But dont
ignore her either. Let her speak - yet do not let her dominate the
conversation. She is taking your time! NEVER let her get the
impression that your time is infinite. This guy probably chatted for
hours on the phone trying to empathize with the girl. Bad idea. Keep
things short and simple. Listen to her problem. Say a few words
confidently. NEVER let the conversation drag or hang or lull... I'd hang up
after 5 minutes.
This guy's social life also probably revolves around the girl. (see basic
principle #3)
The girl couldnt stand it and tries to have her own social life.
I'll say it again, if you focus on the girl to a point where you neglect your
friends, she may start to have a low opinion of you as she will start to
feel suffocated by all the attention given to her. So have an active social
life so she knows she is with someone who is connected and
(preferably) dominant within a social circle (eg. football captain)
^above is quite a common problem with "first love" couples. The guy
forgets his friends to a point where his social standing drops, and along
with it, the girl's respect for the guy.
QUOTE
You've been seeing this girl for awhile. One day, when you are with her alone, you make a
move. She doesnt reject you so you keep on going. But she does not reciprocate (return
the affection) either. Days later she confesses by internet chat that she has someone else in
mind... You've spent quite alot of time/money/effort on this girl and you are pretty upset.
Not to mention very very hurt as you had high hopes on her.
The Worst Kind Of Girls To Date

Sometimes you would not know what to make of a girl's responses. I mean, she did let you
take her out and put your arm around her in the cinema. However, ALARM BELLS should ring
if you notice the following:
1) She does not reciprocate/return your moves. eg. you put your arm around her. she does
not put her arm around you.
2) She avoids talking about the future / making plans.
3) She does not initiate contact often enough. (subjective, but you get the idea)
4) It takes alot of time before you could even make an initial move.
Girls are awfully indecisive when it comes to relationships. Every girl wants their prince
charming. If you are going out with a girl in her late teens to late twenties, expect her to be
choosy (if she is reasonably attractive). Sometimes, she's mulling over weather to accept you
or not. This is because:
1) She thinks she can get with a more attractive guy. You are not attractive enough for her.
2) She does not find herself attracted to you.
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Of course, most girls will be very nice and try to sugar coat it and they will tell you that: I dont
think we should see each other / We should focus on our studies / I am not ready for a
relatoinship etc etc.
The plain simple reality is that YOU ARE NOT ATTRAC TIVE ENOUGH FOR HER. So move on.
She is a waste of time, money and heart.
Girls that abuse their beauty/attractiveness to get free dates

/ dinners /movies / trips with guys they are not really
interested in are the scum of society. It's seriously low...
If you notice the signs mentioned above,... move on quickly. Perhaps she will come back to
you in the future when she realizes that she is old and losing attractiveness and has no hope
of dating the "prince charming" of her dreams. Will you still accept her? Well... if you are
desperate as well you probably would. But follow this guide and hopefully you would have
engaged someone else by then - so you could send your ex your wedding invitation!
___________________________________________________________________
Frequently Asked Questions
1. Why go after a pretty girl since beauty fades with time?

Put it this way: A pretty girl will get less pretty as she gets older - true. However, a not-sopretty girl will get less pretty as she get's older as well. Hence, the question is actually moot.
Im not saying that guys would judge girls based on looks alone, but with all other factors
(attitude etc) the same, every guy will go out with the most beautiful girl who is willing to go
out with him. It's their nature. Guys who cant woo the pretty girls would have to set their
standards lower.
2. Isnt an Alpha Male just an egotistical guy who is arrogant and cocky?
No, alpha males are males who command respect. Not all alpha males are arrogant jerks. In
the same way not all pretty girls are snobbish since they are pretty and ignore less-thanworthy guys. Good alpha males are good leaders. They are charismatic, have high self
esteem and self confidence, and know how/when to take charge of any situation. There are
bad alpha males too, yes - the ones who go around with arrogance on top of their self
confidence. Ladies always go after good alpha males so long as he is not too deficient in other
aspects (eg. looks, money)
3. Why do so many guys complain that girls are just after money?
Im sure some girls really are after money, but that simply isnt often the case. Guys who have
been ditched for lack of social dominance often come spewing their life stories on forums like
this one. Of course, no girl would tell the guy the real reason why they wanted to break up.
Heck, many ladies probably havent even heard the term "social dominance" prior to reading
this article. They would just ignore the guy leaving him clueless. Being non-socially dominant,
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he then goes about trying to win her back - making another mistake (see principles 3 and 6).
Feeling lost, the guy then lashes out at all women, accusing them of being shallow creatures
going after money. C onclusion: They are just bitter. Perhaps they are ex-cuddleB!tches.
4. The girls I'm interested in dont seem to want me. Im not interested in the girls who are interested in
me. How can your theory explain that?
Let me rephrase the question: Why attractive girls dont want me but unattractive girls do?
This is the average joe dilemma. Guys who ask this question are likely to be average
joe's looking to date an attractive lady. Put yourself in her shoes. If you were a hot stud, and
had lots of attention from beautiful ladies, would you want to date an average jane?
Alternatively, an unattractive girl has no real chance of winning over a hot stud (because the
hot stud has lots of more attractive admirers). Thus, the unattractive girl that shows interest in
you has simply faced reality and lowered her standards by going after you. Set your
standards lower and you would start to notice that the girls you are interested in would start
showing interest in you. You could also work on the basic 8 principles to increase your
attractiveness.
5. Your basic principles cant be true. I know a really outgoing guy who has lots of friends and is very
nice but is still single and I also know a quiet loner who is dating a hot chick!
I think you have confused social dominance with popularity. Just because a person is popular
doesnt mean that he is socially dominant. There is a reason why I used Sarah McLachlan's
song, building a mystery in my summary of the principles. An independent loner is socially
dominant in his own way. He does not rely on others for encouragement and support and is
more independant than the attention grabbing sociopath. Phileas Fogg (Jules Verne's book)
epitomises the socially dominant loner. He is rich, successful, extremely independent, very
dignified, and keeps to himself - building a mysterious aura around himself.
6. About The Term "Nice Guy"

This term is often used by girls to describe guys who are likeable and sociable. However, girls
who do not wish to pursue a relationship with an UNATTRAC TIVE guy would also use the term
to soften the blow of telling him it's over. Hence the negative stigma over the term.
Imagine you are a guy going out with a girl with a charming personality. It's just that you dont
find her SEXUALLY attractive and you think you can do better. Of course, you're NOT going to
say "YOU ARE UGLY" to her face. Most likely, you would want to remain friends but you have
to let her know that you are not SEXUALLY INTERESTED in her. Thus, you tell her that you
really like her as a friend and that she has a cheerful personality and whatnot.
Imagine you are a girl going out with a guy with a charming personality. It's just that you dont
find him SEXUALLY attractive and you think you can do better. Of course, you're NOT going to
say "YOU ARE AN EFFEMINATE PUSSIFIED NERDY WUSS" to his face. Most likely, you would
want to remain friends but you have to let him know that you are not SEXUALLY INTERESTED
in him. Thus, you tell him that you really like him as a friend and that he is a "nice guy".
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Ok, im exaggerating a bit to make the point clear. But you get the idea.
___________________________________________________________________
DEFINITIONS
C uddle B!tch
cuddle b!tch(n) - a guy who never gets to sleep with a girl but gets to have intimate
moments with her like cuddling, spooning, or otherwise being affectionate. Usually this will
occur in private. She probably considers him a really sweet guy, which is the kiss of death.
First off, cuddle b****es are bad, bad things to be. Maybe the worst thing to be. I mean, being
an Intellectual Whore is bad, but being an Intellectual
Posted by: t3chn0m4nc3r Jan 30 2008, 11:53 PM

err... wat do u expect out of this thread...?
Posted by: King83 Jan 30 2008, 11:53 PM

Money
Posted by: Zard Jan 30 2008, 11:54 PM
Nowadays girls go after social dominance. No money no talk
Posted by: WaCKy-Angel Jan 30 2008, 11:56 PM
QUOTE(King83 @ Jan 30 2008, 11:53 PM)
Money
Eh u finally login this account?

got bored playing with alt account?
Posted by: leaF Jan 30 2008, 11:58 PM

thanks for the information
Posted by: ukiya Jan 30 2008, 11:59 PM
Heart = Sincere, Love and of coz $$ future...
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Answer to ya topic !!! not content of d topic but d title !

Posted by: landak Jan 31 2008, 12:01 AM
Understanding women
In the world of romance, one single rule applies to the men: Make the
woman happy. Do something she likes, and you get points. Do something
she
dislikes and points are subtracted.
You don't get any points for doing something she expects. Sorry, that's
the way the game is played.
Here is a guide to the point system:
SIMPLE DUTIES
You make the bed (+1)
You make the bed, but forget the decorative pillow (0)
You throw the bedspread over rumpled sheets (-1)
You go out to buy her what she wants (+5) In the rain (+8) But return
with Beer (-5)
You check out a suspicious noise at night (0)
You check out a suspicious noise, and it is nothing (0)
You check out a suspicious noise and it is something (+5)
You pummel it with iron rod (+10)
It's her pet (-10)
SOC IAL ENGAGEMENTS
You stay by her side the entire party (0)
You stay by her side for a while, then leave to chat with a college
buddy
(-2) Named Judy (-4)
Judy is a dancer (-6)
Judy has silicon implants (-80)
HER BIRTHDAY
You take her out to dinner (0)
You take her out to dinner and it's not a sports bar (+1)
Okay, it's a sports bar (-2)
And it's all-you-can-eat night (-3)
It's a sports bar, it's all-you-can-eat night, and your face is painted
the
colours of your favourite team (-10)
A NIGHT OUT
You take her to a movie (+2)
You take her to a movie she likes (+4)
You take her to a movie you hate (+6)
You take her to a movie you like (-2)
It's called 'DeathC op' (-3)
You lied and said it was a foreign film about orphans (-15)
YOUR PHYSIQUE
You develop a noticeable potbelly (-15)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and exercise to get rid of it (+10)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and resort to baggy jeans and baggy
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Hawaiian shirts (-30)

You say, "It doesn't matter, you have one too." (-8000)
ENJOY THE 'BIG' QUESTION
She asks, "Do I look fat?" (-5) [Yes, you LOSE points no matter WHAT]
You hesitate in responding (-10)
You reply, "Where?" (-35)
Any other response (-20)
C OMMUNIC ATION
When she wants to talk about a problem , you listen, displaying what
looks
like a concerned _expression (0)
You listen, for over 30 minutes (+50)
You listen for more than 30 minutes without looking at the TV (+500)
She realizes this is because you have fallen asleep (-10000)
Now what chance do you have???
Posted by: Daywalker Jan 31 2008, 12:10 AM
Girls?? = Everything is talk about $$$ liao, If u no money, then nothing to talk......
That's all nowadays modern girls are really want
Posted by: WinDs Jan 31 2008, 01:01 AM

Good summary but there is no standard solution for every problem.
Posted by: bryanyeo87 Jan 31 2008, 01:08 AM
wow, i find this thread absurd and pointless, but it is so darn true!
any girls can enlighten us guys
Posted by: ZomgWtfHax Jan 31 2008, 10:07 AM

lol why bother? when you get older girls will just come flocking to u. Esp when you have achieved
some level of success, that time we will be giving them + / - points.
Posted by: vey99 Jan 31 2008, 10:14 AM
TS, kudos to a nice "compilation" of case study, I find it a very interesting read even though I am not
exactly a "theory" person.
But in my experience, they just like who they like. There is no scientific/statistical backing to their
decisions.
End of the day, you will analyse when it fails, but that analysis may not be as helpful in your future
endeavours as you would like it to be.
QUOTE(landak @ Jan 31 2008, 12:01 A M)

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It's her pet (-10)
ROFL ....
Posted by: ezralimm Jan 31 2008, 10:59 AM
QUOTE(ZomgWtfHax @ Jan 31 2008, 10:07 A M)
lol why bother? when you get older girls will just come flocking to u. Esp when you have achieved
some level of success, that time we will be giving them + / - points.
sexual politics
the balance of power shifts to the guys as girls become women (read: 30+)
Guys are in their prime when they are in their late 20s in modern society. They have a good balance of
money/power...
while girls are at their prime when they are 19-ish. Older girls get desperate.
Posted by: b3rnard7 Jan 31 2008, 11:09 AM

gals want 5C 's from a man!
Posted by: Stefanov Jan 31 2008, 01:04 PM
well..
there's a story same as mine.
just.. I'm not that free to pay attention to her ..
anyway.. those list are quite true.
straight to the point..
thanks for reminding me.
Posted by: matthewctj Jan 31 2008, 01:17 PM
QUOTE(b3rnard7 @ Jan 31 2008, 11:09 A M)
gals want 5C 's from a man!
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Outdated .... there are now 6C 's
Posted by: vey99 Jan 31 2008, 01:28 PM

charisma
care
companionship
confidence
communication
comedy?
6c's all ada edi hehehe
Posted by: Seaedge Jan 31 2008, 02:05 PM
car
career
creditcard
cash
condominium
condom?
or ogawa massage Chair?
Posted by: smacky Jan 31 2008, 02:10 PM
erm i want a guy who not only focus on you,while on other things as well.. so that i won't feel like he
cant survive when i'm gone.. and that makes me feel easier and more free..
and i want a guy who is willing to work hard one for his future,and those who know how to use his
ears and listen and use his heart to understand,good temper,good socializing skills,do not get lost
while driving (lol),loyal,funny
Posted by: dawnreaver Jan 31 2008, 02:32 PM
QUOTE(smacky @ Jan 31 2008, 02:10 PM)
erm i want a guy who not only focus on you,while on other things as well.. so that i won't feel like he
cant survive when i'm gone.. and that makes me feel easier and more free..
and i want a guy who is willing to work hard one for his future,and those who know how to use his ears
and listen and use his heart to understand,good temper,good socializing skills,do not get lost while
driving (lol),loyal,funny
I thought you wanted a gamer.
Posted by: smacky Jan 31 2008, 02:35 PM
QUOTE(dawnreaver @ Jan 31 2008, 02:32 PM)
I thought you wanted a gamer.

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yeah.. those guys who ask me how to play this how to play that i find it annoying!!! pro gamers can
teach me play ma
Posted by: nickisthemost Jan 31 2008, 02:58 PM

let me give u one good advice
girls can't be predicted easily, cheers
Posted by: pasarmalam Jan 31 2008, 03:06 PM

basically a girl wants a guy to be everything and do anything for the girl(in other words money).In
return you get free fcuk..
Why can't women give the same as men give them
Posted by: dawnreaver Jan 31 2008, 03:24 PM
QUOTE(smacky @ Jan 31 2008, 02:35 PM)
yeah.. those guys who ask me how to play this how to play that i find it annoying!!! pro gamers can
teach me play ma
But what games do you play?
QUOTE(Seaedge @ Jan 31 2008, 02:05 PM)
car
career
creditcard
cash
condominium
condom?
or ogawa massage [
Chair?[/B]
LMAO
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Posted by: doremon Jan 31 2008, 04:41 PM

To me, girls or woman etc only want confidence in man. If the guy face like hamkacan but he is
bloody confidence, sure can get. Plus a bit cash in saving and pocket kautim. And yes girls got more
advantages rather then guys. Y, because they have *****. That all. Imagine if they have a d***, will
you care for the then?
Posted by: NiKKi3010 Jan 31 2008, 04:41 PM
Aiyo you guys always go for that popular, high-maintainence, hot, sexy b****. Of course that's what
you get in return.
You want something "luxurious", you gotta pay for the price. Don't go for something you can't afford
to. Of course I'd want a hot looking bf. Who wouldn't? Anyone would want that. But am I good
enough for that? I know I'm not, so I chose to settle with what's appropriate to my own "rank".
QUOTE(NiKKi3010 @ Jan 31 2008, 04:41 PM)
Aiyo you guys always go for that popular, high-maintainence, hot, sexy b****. Of course
that's what you get in return.
You want something "luxurious", you gotta pay for the price. Don't go for something you can't afford
to. Of course I'd want a hot looking bf. Who wouldn't? Anyone would want that. But am I good enough
for that? I know I'm not, so I chose to settle with what's appropriate to my own "rank".
No, guys go for girls that are reasonably attractive. Physically proportionate. Ok complexion. Good
behaviour.
Although there are some pretty and attractive girls who are outright b!tches, there are also many pretty,
attractive and nice ladies out there.
Those ladies have a wide choice of prospective partners. So you cant blame them for being choosy.
They will go for the most socially dominant man who is willing to date them.
It's the politics of attraction - plain and simple.
Of course, not all guys are socially dominant, and not all girls are pretty/attractive.
Posted by: finecut Jan 31 2008, 04:51 PM

good guys finished last, good girls finished fast!
Posted by: unknown warrior Jan 31 2008, 04:52 PM
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Isn't this a tad generalizing? I mean common, it doesn't apply to everyone.
Posted by: b3rnard7 Jan 31 2008, 04:58 PM
QUOTE(Seaedge @ Jan 31 2008, 02:05 PM)
car
career
creditcard
cash
condominium
condom?
or ogawa massage Chair?
now they want 5 B's...no longer 5C 's

C ar = I dun1 u to own a car but only a BMW
C areer = I dun1 u to haev career but I want u to be ur own Boss
C redit card = I dun mind that u have credit card but I want u to own a BANK
C ash = I dun mind that u have cash but I want u to be a BILLIONAIRE
C ondominium = I dun1 u to own a C ondo but I want u to buy a BUNGALOW
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 31 2008, 04:52 PM)
Isn't this a tad generalizing? I mean common, it doesn't apply to everyone.
You are a guy.

If two girls are interested in you.
You will always go for the prettier one - assuming all other attributes are the same.
You are a girl.

If two guys are interested in you.
You will always go for the more socially dominant one - assuming all other attributes are the same.
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Now what happens to the not so socially dominant guys? Simple, they end up with the less pretty girls IN
GENERAL - because the pretty girls are all out of their reach and have other more socially dominant guys
chasing them.
What happens to the not so pretty girls? Simple, they end up with the less socially dominant guys IN
GENERAL - because the socially dominant guys all get taken by prettier girls.
QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jan 31 2008, 04:48 PM)
No, guys go for girls that are reasonably attractive. Physically proportionate. Ok complexion. Good
behaviour.
Although there are some pretty and attractive girls who are outright b!tches, there are also many
pretty, attractive and nice ladies out there.
Those ladies have a wide choice of prospective partners. So you cant blame them for being choosy.
They will go for the most socially dominant man who is willing to date them.
It's the politics of attraction - plain and simple.
Of course, not all guys are socially dominant, and not all girls are pretty/attractive.
Yup, I will not deny what you've just state.

But what I was referring to is the many guys who come crying and whining in C C . They tell stories of
girls who ripped their hearts out, trampled on them and then hand it back to them wrapped in
newspapers. It starts with "I saw this pretty girl in college/work/public places... And then I asked for her
phone number... We sms-ed and talked on the phone like there was no tomorrow... Suddenly, 2 weeks
later she completely ignored me...."
What I'm saying is these guys chose girls based on how they look without even bothering to find out
more. Then he discovered she was a total biatch. And then he comes into C C to pour out his sad heartbreaking story and concludes that all girls only want rich guys, handsome guys and yada yada yada
Geez.
Posted by: halglory Jan 31 2008, 05:40 PM

newspapers. It starts with "I saw this pretty girl in college/work/public places... And then I asked for
her phone number... We sms-ed and talked on the phone like there was no tomorrow... Suddenly, 2
weeks later she completely ignored me...."
more. Then he discovered she was a total biatch. And then he comes into C C to pour out his sad
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heart-breaking story and concludes that all girls only want rich guys, handsome guys and yada yada
yada
Geez.
please do not condemn my one source of entertainment...

newspapers. It starts with "I saw this pretty girl in college/work/public places... And then I asked for
her phone number... We sms-ed and talked on the phone like there was no tomorrow... Suddenly, 2
weeks later she completely ignored me...."
more. Then he discovered she was a total biatch. And then he comes into C C to pour out his sad
heart-breaking story and concludes that all girls only want rich guys, handsome guys and yada yada
yada
Geez.
Every young heart need to be polished with cold hard experience that should turned them into the man
girls drool over at later age.
Everybody whines Nikki.
But like..oh wow, you have a nice blog.
Guys, Principle no. 5 has been added based on a story that

recently popped up in Cupid's Corner.

But what I was referring to is the many guys who come crying and whining in CC....
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True. I found so many stories just browsing through 3 pages of threads in C upids C orner.
there are also lots of guys who are pissed as they got all soft and wussed out with the girl they were
interested in to a point where the girl felt smothered and left for a more dominant guy. They then go
around calling the girl a b!tch and saying that he was nice etc etc when in reality it was that very
"niceness and softness" that made him so sexually unattractive to a point the girl just intuitively knew
that she had to ditch him.
Real men dont whine. Nice/soft/effiminate men whine.

They blame the girl rather than their own unattractive/non-dominant/footstool personality.

Sure I know they do whine. But don't go concluding that girls want rich guys only. You see alot of
threads popping out saying "Why all girls want rich guys ar?"
Guys, Principle no. 5 has been added based on a story that recently
popped up in Cupid's Corner.
True. I found so many stories just browsing through 3 pages of threads in C upids C orner.
there are also lots of guys who are pissed as they got all soft and wussed out with the girl they were
interested in to a point where the girl felt smothered and left for a more dominant guy. They then go
around calling the girl a b!tch and saying that he was nice etc etc when in reality it was that very
"niceness and softness" that made him so sexually unattractive to a point the girl just intuitively knew
that she had to ditch him.
Real men dont whine. Nice/soft/effiminate men whine.
They blame the girl rather than their own unattractive/non-dominant/footstool personality.
Wrong, it takes a real man to admit his defeat and cry.
A dded on J anuary 3 1 , 2 0 0 8 , 5 :4 6 pm
OH common they're just generalizing, it's kopitiam-cc for goodness sake.
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Wrong, it takes a real man to admit his defeat and cry.
Lol but these guys aren't admitting defeat the way a men should.
QUOTE
OH common they're just generalizing, it's kopitiam-cc for goodness sake.
Well it might just seem like that, but I'm thinking that with all these one day men would have it etched
and drilled into their heads that all girls want rich guys.
No I can prove you wrong. There are still real man in this part of the country.
No I can prove you wrong. There are still real man in this part of the country.
Oh you can? We'll see.

And thanks for the comment about my blog.
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Posted by: kobe8byrant Jan 31 2008, 05:55 PM
Well because it's a fact. I don't believe ANYONE who tells me that they'd stay with their current partners
if they can be guaranteed love and affection and lots of money by a new sugar-daddy just as how I
won't believe any guy who tells me that they won't go for a beautiful girl if they had a chance.
Posted by: choyster Jan 31 2008, 06:02 PM
QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jan 31 2008, 05:55 PM)
Well because it's a fact. I don't believe ANYONE who tells me that they'd stay with their current
partners if they can be guaranteed love and affection and lots of money by a new sugar-daddy just as
how I won't believe any guy who tells me that they won't go for a beautiful girl if they had
a chance.
C ant say like that depends on feeling too
Posted by: -br0k3n- Jan 31 2008, 06:03 PM

I blif money is the issue. No $$$, how the gal gonna shopping, and hav a wonderful date. I blif some
gal may say "shui bian la" but in their heart, sure wan some wonderful date. Tat include throwing
$$$$ on her. T.T
Posted by: kobe8byrant Jan 31 2008, 06:06 PM
QUOTE(choyster @ Jan 31 2008, 06:02 PM)
C ant say like that depends on feeling too
And why would you NOT pursue a beautiful girl? Fear or a sense of inferiority? Otherwise, why not? Of
course, beauty is subjective. Some like skinny, some like fatty [or should I say plus-size?]. But
personally, I believe that the only reason why people stick with their current partners and not opt for
"better" options is because they are unsure of the outcome and it is not uncommon for youngsters to
jump ships every now and then. People say that youngsters jump ships because they don't know what
love is but I think/believe it's because the older you are, the more desperate/fearful you are that you'd
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not be able to find a better partner than the one you are seeing. C ome on lah, you don't magically know
what love is the moment you hit 21 or 22. The older you are, you'd think longer and harder about long
term relationships because you'd start thinking "At this age, what are my chances of getting someone
better while marrying before my target age of XX?"
Posted by: tech_frix Jan 31 2008, 06:21 PM

women...i kinda loose hope on them...
Posted by: halglory Jan 31 2008, 06:30 PM

pursue a beautiful one cos u know something that they don't
Note: Beauty is a depreciating asset...
make them realize they ain't young anymore and you can land the female
Posted by: vo0de3_x | oum@n Jan 31 2008, 06:58 PM
wow....kinda alot of things to read
blur @.@"
Posted by: ChAOoz Jan 31 2008, 07:11 PM
Yeah i so agree with TS
, but the main point is not all women are like that , so we should not
generalized , but those principle are so darn true for most cases that i could not disagree.
unknown_warrior, take it from a lady.

Real men admit defeat, yes. But they dont cry and whine about it.
Real men that women feel sexually attracted to wont cry/whine alot for the simple reason that they are
Alpha Males, and, being Alpha Males,... dominant males at the top of their game (high priced lawyer,
biker gang leader), they can EASILY FIND OTHER GIRLS.
A real man knows that if a girl leaves him, it's HER loss... A real man can always find someone else..
unlike the footstools who are desperate to hold on to the girl because he knows how hard it is for him to
find a girl.
It is that snobbishness when it comes to relationships. That confidence in themselves, that women
subconsciously admire.
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So even if she does leave an real man, she would soon realize that the real man couldnt care less... and
she would realize that it's her loss... and she would come back to him.
Wussed out crying and whining is a sign that you are desperate to hold on to someone meaning that you are not socially dominant.
note: Above does not apply to queers and guys who are erm.. confused about their sexuality, or have an
alternate lifestyle choice
unknown_warrior, take it from a lady.
Oh Yes, I'm talking to her in my MSN already. We both agree with each other.
QUOTE(ChA Ooz @ Jan 31 2008, 07:11 PM)
Yeah i so agree with TS
, but the main point is not all women are like that , so we should not
generalized , but those principle are so darn true for most cases that i could not disagree.
... i just realized I had forgotten to include a very important point in my main (first) post.
The principles mentioned only refer to cases whereby a guy is going

after a pretty/attractive girl.
True, not all women are like that... for the simple reason that some women are ugly/non-attractive, and
would have to lower their standards... hence the principles dont apply.
QUOTE(halglory @ Jan 31 2008, 06:30 PM)
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pursue a beautiful one cos u know something that they don't

Note: Beauty is a depreciating asset...
make them realize they ain't young anymore and you can land the female
Beauty and sexual attractiveness fades with time.... True.
Now let me ask you:
Would you rather be with a beautiful lady who is getting less beautiful over time
OR a not-so-beautiful lady who is getting less beautiful over time?
The Principles are based on the simple idea that every guy would go out with the most sexually
attractive lady that is wiling to go out with him. Of course, there are exceptions (due to
cultural/religious/social barriers) but in general it does hold true.
Posted by: [peanut] Jan 31 2008, 10:20 PM

if da scientists have already solved all the questions tht ppl ask, i bet they still cannot figure out wht
women want
Principle 6 added. See first post.
A dded on J anuary 3 1 , 2 0 0 8 , 1 1 :1 4 pm
Oh Yes, I'm talking to her in my MSN already. We both agree with each other.
almost missed that post.

aite. care to share what you agreed upon?
Posted by: vey99 Jan 31 2008, 11:17 PM
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Principle 6 added. See first post.

Aiks mine also get picked .. .hehe
I agree bro , thats my feelin rite now ... but i am unsure if its a tarp or what not ...
I think if kena reject, is ok to emo a bit, most important is get on with ur life, cos she already has ...
you only live once, dun waste it wallowing in sadness ...
And why would you NOT pursue a beautiful girl? Fear or a sense of inferiority? Otherwise, why not? Of
course, beauty is subjective. Some like skinny, some like fatty [or should I say plus-size?]. But
personally, I believe that the only reason why people stick with their current partners and not opt for
"better" options is because they are unsure of the outcome and it is not uncommon for youngsters to
jump ships every now and then. People say that youngsters jump ships because they don't know what
love is but I think/believe it's because the older you are, the more desperate/fearful you are that
you'd not be able to find a better partner than the one you are seeing. C ome on lah, you don't
magically know what love is the moment you hit 21 or 22. The older you are, you'd think longer and
harder about long term relationships because you'd start thinking "At this age, what are my chances of
getting someone better while marrying before my target age of XX?"
principle 6 is about that.
Posted by: TwistedInsanity Jan 31 2008, 11:28 PM

Yes.
Most of the principles you posted are in fact truth.
I can't deny any of them.
But don't generalize all females.
There are still a minority of females who aren't like that at all [Of course not me].
Posted by: KVReninem Feb 1 2008, 12:01 AM
QUOTE(TwistedInsanity @ Feb 1 2008, 12:28 A M)
Yes.
Most of the principles you posted are in fact truth.
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I can't deny any of them.

But don't generalize all females.
There are still a minority of females who aren't like that at all [Of course not me].
well like it is said..

just principles..
common fundamental principles...
u can judge all the same; but this principles do make sense
Posted by: andrienne Feb 1 2008, 12:12 AM
The principles mentioned only refer to cases whereby a guy is

going after a pretty/attractive girl.
True, not all women are like that... for the simple reason that some women are ugly/non-attractive,
and would have to lower their standards... hence the principles dont apply.
nowadays, even the non-attractive one(esp the ones that don't even know tht they are nonattractive)will set high standards which disgusts me. i would understand if an attractive girl/guy sets high
standards (demand and supply
) but the not so good looking ones that set and act like one are
really making me
Posted by: vey99 Feb 1 2008, 12:18 AM
QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 1 2008, 12:01 A M)
u can judge all the same; but this principles do make sense
oh yeah u are same time wif us now heheh i was wondering why u up so late ...
QUOTE(andrienne @ Feb 1 2008, 12:12 A M)
nowadays, even the non-attractive one(esp the ones that don't even know tht they are nonattractive)will set high standards which disgusts me.
they are also ppl...with same feelings as the attractive ones...

just that they dunno how to manage expectations and whine about it when things do not go right ....
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but many of them wake up from their fantasy, eventually
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 1 2008, 12:18 A M)
oh yeah u are same time wif us now heheh i was wondering why u up so late ...
they are also ppl...with same feelings as the attractive ones...
just that they dunno how to manage expectations and whine about it when things do not go right ....
but many of them wake up from their fantasy, eventually
i hope tht they do coz they do miss out alot by setting up the barriers too high. it's so unrealistic to do so
Posted by: ezralimm Feb 1 2008, 12:24 AM
QUOTE(vey99 @ Jan 31 2008, 11:17 PM)
Aiks mine also get picked .. .hehe
Dont mind ya? Hey, it's for the good of MAN-kind. Yea.
i hope tht they do coz they do miss out alot by setting up the barriers too high. it's so unrealistic to do
so
for many cases, they will come back to u when they realized "back then, I couldnt tell a good thing if I
saw one"
"Now I think (s)he was the only person who cared for me , and understood me, liked me for who i was
and not for what i could offer them"
Well, as much as I would like to say a big NO to the return trip ppls, I can't. Becos somehow I also have
a bit feeling leftover from last time...
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nowadays, even the non-attractive one(esp the ones that don't even know tht they are
non-attractive)will set high standards which disgusts me. i would understand if an attractive
girl/guy sets high standards (demand and supply
) but the not so good looking ones that set
and act like one are really making me
I wasnt expecting this coming from a lady.

Thanks for your feedback.
I'll bet some of those girls you mention would go around saying how guys are jerks laa etc etc.. in the
same way some guys go around saying how girls only look at money laa etc etc.
Posted by: JS5016 Feb 1 2008, 12:44 AM

whoa....u really free.....compiling all these took how long....2 days?
anyways...i guess it's useful for all ppl.... thanks yea
Posted by: Seaedge Feb 1 2008, 01:51 AM
nowadays, even the non-attractive one(esp the ones that don't even know tht they are nonattractive)will set high standards which disgusts me. i would understand if an attractive girl/guy sets
high standards (demand and supply
) but the not so good looking ones that set and act like one
are really making me
hahahhahaha.. u made me thought of one friend same damn thing like you said~~~
QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 1 2008, 12:44 A M)
whoa....u really free.....compiling all these took how long....2 days?

anyways...i guess it's useful for all ppl.... thanks yea
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took about an hour. Using two firefox windows and notepad. C opy pasting templates for the spoilers and
principles.
glad you found it helpful.
i hope tht they do coz they do miss out alot by setting up the barriers too high. it's so unrealistic to do
so
ya indeed...some people just cant accept the real world.

real world aint perfect; all those in chinese drama; series..really seem to be too fake to me.
Posted by: stacial Feb 1 2008, 08:31 AM

I wanna be the girl that you want to meet your parents...the one girl that you are not ashamed to say
is your girlfriend...the one that you say you love and mean it...the one that you will never forget no
matter how hard you try .
QUOTE(stacial @ Feb 1 2008, 09:31 A M)
i dont forget anyone pun
Posted by: stacial Feb 1 2008, 08:48 AM
QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 1 2008, 08:34 A M)
i dont forget anyone pun
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hahaha..Good luck,KVReninem!May u meet your Mrs.KVReninem soon..
Posted by: QiQio Feb 1 2008, 08:50 AM

When TS got gf d, he may close dis thread
Posted by: blackamikaze Feb 1 2008, 09:31 AM
everything TS said is true.. Pick Up artist will tell u the same thing. Girls will more likely to choose an
alpha male instead of non-alpha male if they got the option.
But the criteria of Alpha Male is diffrent on diffrent girl. Thats why we always read a case where the
gf still hanging onto her bf even her bf is a jackass, instead going of with mr nice guy who always
comfort her. This simply becoz in her eyes, her bf is an alpha male n the fact she cant control her
own bf make her want his bf more than ever.
Like ts said, put ur balls on table n then talk. This is the reason why we always ask, "why girls like a
bad boy?" ...
no, They dont like bad boy, they like an alpha male... n most of the time bad boy always have the
criteria of alpha male. So thats why...
Posted by: evilhomura89 Feb 1 2008, 12:12 PM
should get this thread pinned up^^
Posted by: kobe8byrant Feb 1 2008, 12:29 PM
QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Feb 1 2008, 09:31 A M)
But the criteria of Alpha Male is diffrent on diffrent girl. Thats why we always read a case where the gf
still hanging onto her bf even her bf is a jackass, instead going of with mr nice guy who always
comfort her. This simply becoz in her eyes, her bf is an alpha male n the fact she cant control her own
bf make her want his bf more than ever.
bad boy?" ...
no, They dont like bad boy, they like an alpha male... n most of the time bad boy always have
the criteria of alpha male. So thats why...
Let's say I am a 21 year old lady who has Ugly Betty looks and Ugly Betty glasses and I am a member
of a book club. The president looks like Mr Bean but he has read so many books that it'll make your
eyes go blind, wouldn't Mr Bean be my 'alpha male'?
And personally, I think that guys and girls really need to differentiate between 'alpha male' and
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'*******'. Smokers aren't alpha males, they are assholes. I'd admire a guy who oozes confidence and
walks in as if he owns the room but not at the expense of others.
Posted by: monsoon-id Feb 1 2008, 12:29 PM

everything TS said is true.. Pick Up artist will tell u the same thing. Girls will more likely to
choose an alpha male instead of non-alpha male if they got the option.
But the criteria of Alpha Male is diffrent on diffrent girl. Thats why we always read a case
where the gf still hanging onto her bf even her bf is a jackass, instead going of with mr nice
guy who always comfort her. This simply becoz in her eyes, her bf is an alpha male n the
fact she cant control her own bf make her want his bf more than ever.
Like ts said, put ur balls on table n then talk. This is the reason why we always ask, "why
girls like a bad boy?" ...
no, They dont like bad boy, they like an alpha male... n most of the time bad boy always
have the criteria of alpha male. So thats why...
All the handsome men are mean

All the nice men are ugly
All the handsome and nice men are Gay.
do you get what i mean?
Eventhough sometimes men claim how nice they are,but if the girl don't like you..it is impossibe for her
to see the nice things in you.they will rather go for someone (eventhough is bad/jerk/or so so) they
crushed on.
Posted by: dazzywazzy Feb 1 2008, 12:42 PM

aiya.. girls just want the opposite man of wat they have lulz
when got nice guy.. say boring
when got bad guy.. say where are all the nice guys
when got rich guy.. say he player, i wish i have a not so rich guy
when got not so rich guy.. say he cannot satisfy my financial and security needs
when got poor guy.. say he cant even support himself, how to support me?
when got handsome bf.. say too many girls flirt with him, you cannot tahan, u want a not so
handsome bf
when got not so handsome bf.. say he's not that attractive, keep my options open
when got ugly guy.. say embarassed to be around him, i want someone that looks good together with
me
guys mix those together.. see which one u are.. lol
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Just read Intellectual Whores and some of the points are quite controversial.
Wouldn't a lady look into a guy for intelligence? What is the point of all the money when you can't
even have a decent conversation with him/her?
Emotional stability? So you wouldn't mind someone abusing the heck out of you?
And as for money, okay there's Zhang Ziyi with the millionaire boyfriend and there's the case of the
Donald but what about Julia Roberts and her photographer husband? C an't imagine him richer than
her!
Posted by: Tak3shi Feb 1 2008, 02:12 PM
Well because it's a fact. I don't believe ANYONE who tells me that they'd stay with their current
partners if they can be guaranteed love and affection and lots of money by a new sugar-daddy just as
how I won't believe any guy who tells me that they won't go for a beautiful girl if they had a chance.
I go for character not looks. I've seen alot of pretty girls who had crappy characters, i've seen some that
had pretty sweet characters too. Not that i haven't dated my share of pretty girls but if you girls think
that your looks are something to be proud of, wait till you hit 30's-40's and you find your looks fading...
Posted by: t3chn0m4nc3r Feb 1 2008, 02:16 PM
QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 1 2008, 01:43 PM)
Wouldn't a lady look into a guy for intelligence? What is the point of all the money when you can't even
have a decent conversation with him/her?
her!
intelligence...? it's not a trend in Asia...

emotional stability... not many are good enough to judge tat...
money... if u r rich enough... wat's the point of looking for some1 richer...?
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 1 2008, 03:12 PM)
I go for character not looks. I've seen alot of pretty girls who had crappy characters, i've seen some
that had pretty sweet characters too. Not that i haven't dated my share of pretty girls but if you girls
think that your looks are something to be proud of, wait till you hit 30's-40's and you find your looks
fading...
this is y many young gals are getting despo...
Posted by: blackamikaze Feb 1 2008, 03:35 PM
Let's say I am a 21 year old lady who has Ugly Betty looks and Ugly Betty glasses and I am a member
of a book club. The president looks like Mr Bean but he has read so many books that it'll make your
eyes go blind, wouldn't Mr Bean be my 'alpha male'?
And personally, I think that guys and girls really need to differentiate between 'alpha male' and
'*******'. Smokers aren't alpha males, they are assholes. I'd admire a guy who oozes confidence and
walks in as if he owns the room but not at the expense of others.
like i said, diffrent women have diffrent criteria for their own alpha male. N who said smokers is an alpha
male?... N who said ugly betty only like geeks who read a books? and if she like Mr bean, whats is the
problem?.. it seems u miss the point here. Alpha male is not a jackass. Alpha male is sumone who
appeal the most in the eyes of that girl, not u or other people. As an example, some man really hate
paris hilton to the death, but some man really like her. So its simple, world doesnt resolve around u so
people have their own opinion about their own partner either u like it or not.
Maybe to you smokers is an arseholes, but maybe for a girl you an arseholes. Very simple principle.
QUOTE(monsoon-id @ Feb 1 2008, 12:29 PM)
All the handsome men are mean

All the nice men are ugly
All the handsome and nice men are Gay.
do you get what i mean?
Eventhough sometimes men claim how nice they are,but if the girl don't like you..it is impossibe for
her to see the nice things in you.they will rather go for someone (eventhough is bad/jerk/or so so)
they crushed on.
thats why we said girl only interest on alpha male. To them it doesnt matter u nice or not if ur not
dominant n applealing enough to them.
Posted by: merzzie Feb 1 2008, 03:41 PM
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Godddd...stop talking about me.... hehe....

that had pretty sweet characters too. Not that i haven't dated my share of pretty girls but if you girls
think that your looks are something to be proud of, wait till you hit 30's-40's and you find your looks
fading...
Only ugly people will set the standards for character. The really hot ones will set the standards for BOTH
character and looks and it's not impossible. If you think you are worth a million dollars, why settle for a
thousand dollars. Having said that, some people need a reality check
QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Feb 1 2008, 02:16 PM)

Intelligence not a trend? Well I have yet to see someone who has scored a 4.00 GPA going out with a
person who has failed every test possible under the sun. Or ever seen a nerd and a lala mui together?
[I know I am generalizing, forgive me but just trying to make a point.] Not that we should judge a
person by his/her grades but I am saying, you have got to be with someone who is of the same
intelligence level, otherwise how is it even capable to sustain the relationship?
QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Feb 1 2008, 03:35 PM)
like i said, diffrent women have diffrent criteria for their own alpha male. N who said smokers is an
alpha male?... N who said ugly betty only like geeks who read a books? and if she like Mr bean, whats
is the problem?.. it seems u miss the point here. Alpha male is not a jackass. Alpha male is sumone
who appeal the most in the eyes of that girl, not u or other people. As an example, some man really
hate paris hilton to the death, but some man really like her. So its simple, world doesnt resolve around
u so people have their own opinion about their own partner either u like it or not.
Maybe to you smokers is an arseholes, but maybe for a girl you an arseholes. Very simple principle.
thats why we said girl only interest on alpha male. To them it doesnt matter u nice or not if ur not
dominant n applealing enough to them.
You completely missed the point of my post. I wasn't talking that arses are alpha males.
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Posted by: JS5016 Feb 1 2008, 04:08 PM

Find a guy who calls you beautiful instead of hot,
who calls you back when you hang up on him,
who will lie under the stars and listen to your heartbeat,
or will stay awake just to watch you sleep...
wait for the boy who kisses your forehead,
who wants to show you off
to the world when you are in sweats,
who holds your hand in front of his friends,
who thinks you're just as pretty without makeup on.
One who is constantly reminding you of how much
he cares and how lucky his is to have you....
The one who turns to his friends and says, 'that's her.'
is tat too much to ask?
Posted by: vey99 Feb 1 2008, 04:09 PM
you have got to be with someone who is of the same intelligence level, otherwise how is it even
capable to sustain the relationship?
that is one of the important ingredient for success relation

as for jackass guy with suffering gal case, eventually one side will quit ...
Posted by: KVReninem Feb 1 2008, 04:18 PM
hahaha..Good luck,KVReninem!May u meet your Mrs.KVReninem soon..
stacial ..maybe u
lol !...
Posted by: dawnreaver Feb 1 2008, 04:27 PM

In before somebody posts all girls are biatches/materialistic/emo!
Posted by: matthewctj Feb 1 2008, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 1 2008, 04:08 PM)
Find a guy who calls you beautiful instead of hot, - just so he gets lucky tonite
who calls you back when you hang up on him, - so that he can enjoy the benefits of making up
who will lie under the stars and listen to your heartbeat, - when actually he's just resting his head on
your boobs
or will stay awake just to watch you sleep... - and screen thru every inch of your body
wait for the boy who kisses your forehead, - and expects you to do the same but on a different head
who wants to show you off - but actually wants you to blow him off
to the world when you are in sweats, - and sweat is all he wants
who holds your hand in front of his friends, - with the other hand in his pocket doing something else
who thinks you're just as pretty without makeup on - so that he doesn't have to waste time waiting for
you to put make up on
he cares and how lucky his is to have you.... - coz no one else would have him and do what you are
doing to him
The one who turns to his friends and says, 'that's her.' - the one you said I couldn't get
- never
everything in blue is said in jest ....
Posted by: KVReninem Feb 1 2008, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(dawnreaver @ Feb 1 2008, 05:27 PM)
In before somebody posts all girls are biatches/materialistic/emo!
smartnesss
Posted by: evilhomura89 Feb 1 2008, 04:39 PM
QUOTE
Find a guy who calls you beautiful instead of hot, - just so he gets lucky tonite
who calls you back when you hang up on him, - so that he can enjoy the benefits of making up
who will lie under the stars and listen to your heartbeat, - when actually he's just resting his head on
your boobs
or will stay awake just to watch you sleep... - and screen thru every inch of your body
wait for the boy who kisses your forehead, - and expects you to do the same but on a different head
who wants to show you off - but actually wants you to blow him off
to the world when you are in sweats, - and sweat is all he wants
who holds your hand in front of his friends, - with the other hand in his pocket doing something else
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who thinks you're just as pretty without makeup on - so that he doesn't have to waste time waiting for
you to put make up on
he cares and how lucky his is to have you.... - coz no one else would have him and do what you are
doing to him
The one who turns to his friends and says, 'that's her.' - the one you said I couldn't get
is tat too much to ask? smile.gif - never
matthewctj, so bad larr u...

JS5016, it's not dat hard...jz dat even v ourself can't find a gal willing to let us do so
Posted by: dawnreaver Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(KVReninem @ Feb 1 2008, 04:36 PM)
smartnesss
That's what happens in the majority of C upid's C orner threads no?

C heese does go well with whine!
QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Feb 1 2008, 04:39 PM)
matthewctj, so bad larr u...

JS5016, it's not dat hard...jz dat even v ourself can't find a gal willing to let us do so
really tat hard to find a gal lik tat...

guess...nowdays r too demandin
Posted by: matthewctj Feb 1 2008, 04:54 PM

Well, if we expect the best, we'll always be waiting and looking. C oz when you find one, there will
always be someone better if you keep looking. That's why people stop looking and remain loyal if
one is to be happy with whom one has found.
Even if you are happily married with 2 beautiful kids, the moment you start looking for one, you will
somehow find a better one no matter how happy you are in the current relationship/marriage.
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u completely misunderstood my meaning... i don mean genius will choose idiots lar... i mean if u see
gals still go out wif some stupid guys(at least for a couple of months...
Posted by: ezralimm Feb 1 2008, 05:17 PM
QUOTE(matthewctj @ Feb 1 2008, 04:36 PM)
everything in blue is said in jest ....
pwnage. cuz in our hearts we all know it's true
A dded on February 1 , 2 0 0 8 , 5 :2 2 pm
Wouldn't a lady look into a guy for intelligence? What is the point of all the money when
you can't even have a decent conversation with him/her?
her!
If you're looking at a few men who are equally dominant, of course you'll go for the more intellegent one
So yeah, itellegence counts.

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But what about the 4.5 GPA (!) student who is your stereotypical nerd?
0 points for dominance
100 points for intellegence
say, 50 points for money (not that rich lar, average guy)
that had pretty sweet characters too. Not that i haven't dated my share of pretty girls but if you
girls think that your looks are something to be proud of, wait till you hit 30's-40's and you
find your looks fading...
The issue of fading beauty has popped up a few times. Will address in first post soon.
u completely misunderstood my meaning... i don mean genius will choose idiots lar... i mean if u see
gals still go out wif some stupid guys(at least for a couple of months...
hahaha, they must hv realized that the stupid guys had an "illusion of dominance" and that wouldnt go
anywhere in the real world where you need money/influence for real social dominance.
QUOTE(matthewctj @ Feb 1 2008, 04:54 PM)
Well, if we expect the best, we'll always be waiting and looking. C oz when you find one, there will
always be someone better if you keep looking. That's why people stop looking and remain loyal if one
is to be happy with whom one has found.
Even if you are happily married with 2 beautiful kids, the moment you start looking for one, you will
somehow find a better one no matter how happy you are in the current relationship/marriage.
Good point.
Middle aged men like to boast that thye could go looking for a young girl lah bla bla bla..
but I contend that it would not happen in practice for a majority of people.
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If you are in your 40s, married and male:

1) The young ladies in their 20s who show interest in you are actually after your pocket, and can
blackmail you.
2) The BEAUTIFUL young ladies in their 20s are all taken by the DOMINANT young males in their mid
20s. You are no where as physically attractive as those young studs so you cant compete with them.
3) The knowledge that your wife can leave you for a big settlement if you are discovered with your
"personal friend" in a hotel room is always looming on your mind.
4) Social stigma would prevent you from enjoying time, at least in public, with your young "personal
friend". Imagine a 45 year old fart with his arms around a 25 yr old girl. One cant help but think to
themselves: "Wh0re!!! Wh0re!!! Gold digger!!!"
5) Most middle aged men dont have the social dominance, money and power needed to support a
mistress.... Even a 35 yr old one. If you are a minister it's a different story, but if you are your average
joe. Hah, tough luck. Most 35 yr old women wont even look at you unless you are george cloony (read:
have rly good looks) or are very rich.
Posted by: Tak3shi Feb 1 2008, 06:22 PM

What i meant was that even if they were to get hitched before their looks fadeaway, whose to say that
the guy won't divorce them and find another hotchick or find a mistress. It happens all the time. But if
that's their "perfect and happy ending" than so be it. Good luck to them.
Only ugly people will set the standards for character. The really hot ones will set the standards for
BOTH character and looks and it's not impossible. If you think you are worth a million dollars, why
settle for a thousand dollars. Having said that, some people need a reality check
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Geez, i think we have different standards on the definition of character. If by definition you rate
hollywood stars with their messed up lives, eg: David Beckham, Tom C ruise, Britney Spears, etc as
having good characters.... Than i agree to disagree on our conflicting judgments of character.
I'm not implying that you do but i do believe that i have different standards when it comes to character.
Have you watched "Beautiful Mind"? Jennifer C onnelly's character was the epitome of "hot".
You can't be beautiful forever but character stays beautiful forever.
Btw, if i'm ugly than there goes 95% of the population of this world.
Posted by: Cheesenium Feb 1 2008, 06:26 PM
QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 1 2008, 04:08 PM)

Hmmm,that pretty much explains what i think of her.
What i meant was that even if they were to get hitched before their looks fadeaway, whose to say that
the guy won't divorce them and find another hotchick or find a mistress. It happens all the time. But if
that's their "perfect and happy ending" than so be it. Good luck to them.
Geez, i think we have different standards on the definition of character. If by definition you rate
hollywood stars with their messed up lives, eg: David Beckham, Tom C ruise, Britney Spears, etc as
having good characters.... Than i agree to disagree on our conflicting judgments of character.
I'm not implying that you do but i do believe that i have different standards when it comes to
character. Have you watched "Beautiful Mind"? Jennifer C onnelly's character was the epitome of "hot".
You can't be beautiful forever but character stays beautiful forever.
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Btw, if i'm ugly than there goes 95% of the population of this world.
C onnelly's character is the epitome of hot as well. Beauty + Brains + Personality
QUOTE(ezralimm @ Feb 1 2008, 06:17 PM)
hahaha, they must hv realized that the stupid guys had an "illusion of dominance" and that wouldnt go
anywhere in the real world where you need money/influence for real social dominance.
exactly... but sh1t happens... and i dunno y and how but some can choose really blindly...
Posted by: coolie Feb 1 2008, 09:42 PM

I see that is important for me. If a girl just like me for the sake of me and nothing else, that
won't work. No topic, can't click, wrong channel, you go left i go right ... i have no feeling like this.
I don't know if girls are like this too but ... oh well :S
Posted by: Jaroque Feb 1 2008, 11:01 PM
Also no girls reply de, All are Phailed man teaching more Phailed man. And I'm one of the Phailures.
QUOTE(coolie @ Feb 1 2008, 09:42 PM)
I don't know if girls are like this too but ... oh well :S
erm, for all teh banana's out there.
Translation pls..
Posted by: tech_frix Feb 1 2008, 11:56 PM

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maybe they want nothing...just pretend oni...

fake!!!
QUOTE(ezralimm @ Feb 1 2008, 12:26 A M)
I wasnt expecting this coming from a lady.

Thanks for your feedback.
I'll bet some of those girls you mention would go around saying how guys are jerks laa etc etc.. in the
same way some guys go around saying how girls only look at money laa etc etc.
true...they do go around acting like they are oh-so-hot-but-they-are -so-not and would complain tht ever
single guy they have been out with are either jerks/poor/unromantic and etc
but i really can't stand those ppl lor....i know they do have their rights to set standards. but super
unrealistic standards make them look damn dumb.
QUOTE(Seaedge @ Feb 1 2008, 01:51 A M)
hahahhahaha.. u made me thought of one friend same damn thing like you said~~~
who doesn't???
But the criteria of Alpha Male is diffrent on diffrent girl. Thats why we always read a case where the gf
still hanging onto her bf even her bf is a jackass, instead going of with mr nice guy who always
comfort her. This simply becoz in her eyes, her bf is an alpha male n the fact she cant control her own
bf make her want his bf more than ever.
bad boy?" ...
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no, They dont like bad boy, they like an alpha male... n most of the time bad boy always have the
criteria of alpha male. So thats why...
hmm...i thought alpha male is supposed to be the type tht loves to:
show ego
be the smartest in everything
has his very last say in everything
doesn't bother bout your feelings
super headstrong/stubborn
tht's my definition of alpha male...and most girls mags like cleo/female would list out characteristics like
the above when it comes to describing alpha males.
Wouldn't a lady look into a guy for intelligence? What is the point of all the money when you can't even
have a decent conversation with him/her?
her!
I MUST find someone that has the same intelligence if not higher/better than mine. i don't know why but i
need my boyfriend to be smarter than me(but i think that it's quite easy to find one coz i don't think i'm
that smart either
). i feel proud to have a smart boyfriend
and yes...emotional stability is very important. people tend to think that if someone doesn't get involve
with another physically, he/she is not cheating. but that's not true. there's something called emotional
cheating and it's not good. it harms the relationship as much as physical cheating. i need him to make
me feel loved and cared about in which i think everyone needs that from a relationship.
the money part...i have given up on it-lah. most guys in LYN can only think of all girls being gold
diggers/materialistic/whateveryoucallit. so, no point elaborating further.
Only ugly people will set the standards for character. The really hot ones will set the standards for
BOTH character and looks and it's not impossible. If you think you are worth a million dollars, why
settle for a thousand dollars. Having said that, some people need a reality check
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being the not-so-pretty me, i do set standards for both character and looks. it would be effin fake for me
to say looks would not be important because it is important. of course i do not need to have tht brad pitt
look or george clooney charm kinda boyfriend. but i do need my boyfriend to be presentable and be able
to look good at times when needed(when? up to my very own preference). i wouldn't wanna be walking
around with an empty vessel with only looks but nothing in the inside.
and yes, boyf is quite smart(i think). being the straight A's student but he's with me, the not so intelligent
one. but we're doing quite well in sustaining(till now
and owh, you have seen my boyf...the one tht sells you the mp4 and hand-delivered it to your house
(hopefully i got it right coz your nick is really familiar).

true...they do go around acting like they are oh-so-hot-but-they-are -so-not and would
complain tht ever single guy they have been out with are either jerks/poor/unromantic and
etc
but i really can't stand those ppl lor....i know they do have their rights to set
standards. but super unrealistic standards make them look damn dumb.
who doesn't???
hmm...i thought alpha male is supposed to be the type tht loves to:
show ego
be the smartest in everything
has his very last say in everything
doesn't bother bout your feelings
super headstrong/stubborn
tht's my definition of alpha male...and most girls mags like cleo/female would list out
characteristics like the above when it comes to describing alpha males.
I MUST find someone that has the same intelligence if not higher/better than
mine. i don't know why but i need my boyfriend to be smarter than me(but i think
that it's quite easy to find one coz i don't think i'm that smart either
). i feel
proud to have a smart boyfriend

and yes...emotional stability is very important. people tend to think that if someone doesn't
get involve with another physically, he/she is not cheating. but that's not true. there's
something called emotional cheating and it's not good. it harms the relationship as much as
physical cheating. i need him to make me feel loved and cared about in which i think
everyone needs that from a relationship.
the money part...i have given up on it-lah. most guys in LYN can only think of all girls being
gold diggers/materialistic/whateveryoucallit. so, no point elaborating further.
being the not-so-pretty me, i do set standards for both character and looks. it would be effin
fake for me to say looks would not be important because it is important. of course i do not
need to have tht brad pitt look or george clooney charm kinda boyfriend. but i do need my
boyfriend to be presentable and be able to look good at times when needed(when? up to my
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very own preference). i wouldn't wanna be walking around with an empty vessel with only
looks but nothing in the inside.
and yes, boyf is quite smart(i think). being the straight A's student but he's with me, the not
so intelligent one. but we're doing quite well in sustaining(till now
and owh, you have seen my boyf...the one tht sells you the mp4 and hand-delivered it to
your house (hopefully i got it right coz your nick is really familiar).
Point taken. I better clarify the definition of Alpha Male in the first post.
Im gonna append part of your post into the first post. Look out for the next principle. Writing it now....
QUOTE(coolie @ Feb 1 2008, 09:42 PM)
erm, for all teh banana's out there.

Translation pls..
Means common interest. Not just liking the gal cos u shiok wif her maggi-mee hairstyle only, but to
knoes her char and ur char can matching.
Posted by: JS5016 Feb 2 2008, 10:26 AM
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 2 2008, 09:56 A M)
Means common interest. Not just liking the gal cos u shiok wif her maggi-mee hairstyle only, but to
knoes her char and ur char can matching.
u always mention tis...u really lik gal with tis hair style
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QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 2 2008, 10:26 A M)
u always mention tis...u really lik gal with tis hair style
yeah i do
dunno why ... i mean long and straight is good, but maggi is better!

lol, why dont you start a poll: maggi-mee VS Sunsilk
lol, why dont you start a poll: maggi-mee VS Sunsilk
lol.....
but i do believe more guys lik sunsilk....
true on not? guys?

i means, i no problem wif both, but if u give me everything being equal, i will take maggi mee gal.
just like between @suiteng and her sister
Posted by: Ahmike Feb 2 2008, 01:56 PM

For me i already give up trying to understand girls...
If i found a girl i like.... i give hints and tell her bit bit... and if kena reject... just move on lo.
I just need water and food to live on for the next day...
QUOTE(A hmike @ Feb 2 2008, 01:56 PM)
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For me i already give up trying to understand girls...

If i found a girl i like.... i give hints and tell her bit bit... and if kena reject... just move on lo.
I just need water and food to live on for the next day...
yeah bro no need too much worries, if ok means ok, if not fit means "Next!". life is like that now...
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 2 2008, 01:59 PM)
yeah bro no need too much worries, if ok means ok, if not fit means "Next!". life is like that now...
Yeah... its like following a girl to Vinnci shoe shop. They like Test... Throw...Test...Throw... Test... Buy...
Bingo!!! Found the shoe they want liow...
So we also need to follow something from there

gal no need to understand one. just do it. cos no matter how careful u are, sure will screw up
something one. so to err is human, just dun make big mistake like two-timing, eating chicken rice,
and all that stuffs...
Posted by: Canopies Feb 2 2008, 02:15 PM
Any1 interested in being a PUA?
PM me your contacts email email msn , we have a group to wing.
Posted by: choyster Feb 2 2008, 02:32 PM

this shit is quite real lol
Posted by: Stefanov Feb 2 2008, 02:42 PM
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 2 2008, 02:06 PM)
gal no need to understand one. just do it. cos no matter how careful u are, sure will screw up
something one. so to err is human, just dun make big mistake like two-timing, eating chicken rice, and
all that stuffs...
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so true wey!
no matter how careful you gonna do or say..
they tend to make something to fool you around.
Yeah... its like following a girl to Vinnci shoe shop. They like Test... Throw...Test...Throw... Test...
Buy... Bingo!!! Found the shoe they want liow...
looks lik ur gf lik to buy shoes...

hahahaha
Posted by: Cheesenium Feb 2 2008, 03:13 PM
Yeah... its like following a girl to Vinnci shoe shop. They like Test... Throw...Test...Throw... Test...
Buy... Bingo!!! Found the shoe they want liow...
Quite true ar.
QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 2 2008, 02:59 PM)
looks lik ur gf lik to buy shoes...

hahahaha
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C orrection : ex-gf...
Now... im freee....
Planning to go phuket to do bungee jump!!! YahOOO!!!
QUOTE(Canopies @ Feb 2 2008, 02:15 PM)
Any1 interested in being a PUA?

PM me your contacts email email msn , we have a group to wing.
PUA?
C orrection : ex-gf...
Now... im freee....
Planning to go phuket to do bungee jump!!! YahOOO!!!
can i go??
i like extreme sports.......
but couldn't find anyone with same interest......
Posted by: -lonelywhy- Feb 2 2008, 09:35 PM

I disagree with TS regarding 'Alpha Male' but it is only a small part that I disagree with which is 'Good
alpha males are born leaders'.I would like to state that no one is a born leader.Each and every
person's confidence comes from their surroundings from young till what they are now.What a certain
someone is exposed determines the attributes he will obtain or has when he matures.Thus,it is unfair
and absurd that the term 'born leaders' even existed but some simple concept of life is ignored.
But,I have to tell this.I have read through each and everything that you have posted and I could not
agree with you more apart from what I have stated above.
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-lonelywhyPosted by: Ahmike Feb 2 2008, 10:40 PM
QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 2 2008, 05:34 PM)
can i go??
i like extreme sports.......
but couldn't find anyone with same interest......
I'm going with frens on May... Air asia got offer that time for the flights.. =)
QUOTE(-lonelywhy- @ Feb 2 2008, 09:35 PM)
I disagree with TS regarding 'Alpha Male' but it is only a small part that I disagree with which is 'Good
alpha males are born leaders'.I would like to state that no one is a born leader.Each and every
person's confidence comes from their surroundings from young till what they are now.What a certain
someone is exposed determines the attributes he will obtain or has when he matures.Thus,it is unfair
and absurd that the term 'born leaders' even existed but some simple concept of life is ignored.
But,I have to tell this.I have read through each and everything that you have posted and I could not
agree with you more apart from what I have stated above.
-lonelywhy-
To be honest, i wasnt expecting so many positive comments like yours.
I wasnt expecting so many ppl to agree... considering girls would often say something very different
when asked about what qualities they look for in a guy.
About the Alpha Male issue, I meant "born leaders" as a figure of speach - meaning that leadership
comes easily to them as they have good self esteem and self confidence.
Posted by: cky80 Feb 3 2008, 12:41 PM

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http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004725440250692663
Updated: First Principle of the Predator.
C hanged topic title.
See first post for changes.

C ase #8:
u expect perfect england from a public forum?
do u go around correcting ppls at mamak cos their england not up to ur colonial MASTER punye
standard?
i thought we Merdeka from them 51 yrs ago edi.
the gal shud learn to manage expectations better instead.
p.s.: Pardon my england not up to standards
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 3 2008, 09:06 PM)
C ase #8:
u expect perfect england from a public forum?
do u go around correcting ppls at mamak cos their england not up to ur colonial MASTER punye
standard?
i thought we Merdeka from them 51 yrs ago edi.
the gal shud learn to manage expectations better instead.
p.s.: Pardon my england not up to standards
'=.=
sry laa.. that's not what i meant.
What i meant was: It doesnt matter if you speak chinese or english or malay or tamil. If you're going
after a lady, it's advisable not to use too much broken language - doesnt matter what language.
I'll re-edit to make it clearer.
it has nothing to do with english. In fact, if a girl's mother tongue is chinese, and you are fluent in
chinese, then by all means try to interact with her in chinese.
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its not u, but i feel some ppls shud not go around preaching language proficiency. i doubt very much
English is her mother tongue...

In the example i used for principle 8:
If I were to approach her, i'd use english as im more fluid and confident speaking it.
If you are more proficient in chinese, then by all means, USE C HINESE to approach her as you are
more confident/fluid AND she speaks it natively too.. That is a huge plus!
Dont try to be something you are not. I once tried using broken language (pseudo-manglish) to try to
sound cool to this urban chic. Doesnt work. C onfidence and fluidity is just not there.
btw, thanks for pointing out the issue. I wouldnt hv noticed that it could be interpreted that way. I
have edited principle 8. Is it ok?
true...speaking properly in the language tht you're good at(manglish is acceptable as nowadays, ppl
do use manglish more than english). broken language will somehow dampen your image in front of
the girl(or perhaps only my close circle of girlfriends and me).
to me, being able to speak fluently in language(be it malay, english, cantonese or mandarin)shows
that you're able to carry yourself well...you could think before you speak instead of speaking out
blatantly without thinking twice of those things that come out from your mouth.
and please....the 'yo yo...wassup wassup' kinda thing doesn't work at all. it would turn off the girl.
p/s: ezra should open one thread also...what guys really want in girls XD
Posted by: t3chn0m4nc3r Feb 4 2008, 01:05 AM
do use manglish more than english). broken language will somehow dampen your image in front of the
girl(or perhaps only my close circle of girlfriends and me).
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nah... we live in a rojak world out here... there's always some1 out there willing to accept some1 diff
from u... and wat makes u think u can do the "yo yo... wassup wassup..." thingy rite...? i bet u can't...
wannabe's try to do it rite but usually end up sounding stupid... and manglish isn't easy to master
either... i came from english ed background and it took me a while to learn to type in manglish...

Well, i leave it to your discretion.
If you feel confident using urban slang / hippiespeak then go for it.
Generally, i believe it is advisable to keep it real. Not real to a point where it is formal laa of course,
but down to earth and confident. This is an observation of real life couples and relationships --> not
temporary teenage lala romances.
A dded on February 4 , 2 0 0 8 , 1 :2 9 am
do use manglish more than english). broken language will somehow dampen your image in front of the
girl(or perhaps only my close circle of girlfriends and me).
but i already know the answer to that question
i'll give it a thought.
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nah... she's a lil diff from all the gals in the stories i read in LYN... a real stuck up b1atch... 1 who will act
big and tough no matter wat... she juz need a bad exp to change her way of life...
and she's got 1
"formal" taste for guys...
QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Feb 4 2008, 01:05 A M)
nah... we live in a rojak world out here... there's always some1 out there willing to accept some1 diff
from u... and wat makes u think u can do the "yo yo... wassup wassup..." thingy rite...? i bet u can't...
wannabe's try to do it rite but usually end up sounding stupid... and manglish isn't easy to master
either... i came from english ed background and it took me a while to learn to type in manglish...
did i say i know how to say it right? i know someone out there would have different taste than i do. thus,
i don't generalise like what others do here. did i not say 'to me', 'to my close girlfriends'? or did i say that
all girls would?
Well, i leave it to your discretion.

but i already know the answer to that question

i'll give it a thought.
lolz..better do give it a thought coz i'm sure your help would be a great one to the girls here
nah... she's a lil diff from all the gals in the stories i read in LYN... a real stuck up b1atch... 1 who will
act big and tough no matter wat... she juz need a bad exp to change her way of life...
and she's
got 1 "formal" taste for guys...

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oh really? what makes you think that i have not been through a bad experience in my life? perhaps
you're a fortune teller?
and btw, i don't consider manglish as formal. perhaps speaking fluently in language is formal to you?
Posted by: Gr3yL3gion81 Feb 4 2008, 02:41 AM

This thread is pointless since a much more comphrehensive player's guide is available on the net.
Try David De Angelo's book as well.
Posted by: cadmus Feb 4 2008, 02:48 AM
Hm, your post is interesting to read and probably it is true.
when you want girl, the girl don't want you. when you don't want her, the girl wants you.. so, that
phrase falls into which principle?
did i say i know how to say it right? i know someone out there would have different taste than i do.
thus, i don't generalise like what others do here. did i not say 'to me', 'to my close girlfriends'? or did i
say that all girls would?
lolz..better do give it a thought coz i'm sure your help would be a great one to the girls here
oh really? what makes you think that i have not been through a bad experience in my life? perhaps
you're a fortune teller?
and btw, i don't consider manglish as formal. perhaps speaking fluently in language is formal to you?
damn... if ya didn't generalize u wouldn't say wat u said... we don know ur or ur close frenz' taste...
and speaking fluently is formal in Malaysia... many juz can't accept people who speak 2 fluently
here... they tend to accuse of showing off... i ain't no fortune-teller but at least i don discriminate people
wif diff intellect definitions... i don consider manglish formal either but when u go out and hang out... it's
a common tongue...
tat is if u go to mamak stalls or kopi tiam(real kedai kopi lar)...
don be so stuck up... learn to be more open minded...

In case you can't understand wat i wrote, here's the "fluent version":
If you don't generalize then you wouldn't say what u did in your previous post. We do not know what you
or your friend's taste in men. We just need to know how do you want your men treat you. In Malaysia,
speaking fluently is considered formal mostly because most of them can't do it hence born "rojak". It's a
communication method which brings most of us closer to each other. I think you have not been mixing
around with people with lower level of intellect and stay within the boundaries of higher intellect people
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which are mostly rich and successful(I presume) therefore I do not think you been through real
sufferings. I don't think Manglish is formal but when you speak proper language with people working at
"mamak" stalls and those chinese coffee shops, I doubt they understand. They are not properly
educated anyway. Even my mum have trouble keeping up speaking Mandarin to people who are chinese
educated.
Posted by: Belphegor Feb 4 2008, 05:21 AM

Read the first post. Alot of info.
nah... she's a lil diff from all the gals in the stories i read in LYN... a real stuck up b1atch... 1 who
will act big and tough no matter wat... she juz need a bad exp to change her way of life...
and
she's got 1 "formal" taste for guys...

damn... if ya didn't generalize u wouldn't say wat u said... we don know ur or ur close frenz'
taste...
and speaking fluently is formal in Malaysia... many juz can't accept people
who speak 2 fluently here... they tend to accuse of showing off... i ain't no fortune-teller but
at least i don discriminate people wif diff intellect definitions... i don consider manglish
formal either but when u go out and hang out... it's a common tongue...
tat is if u go to
mamak stalls or kopi tiam(real kedai kopi lar)...

If you don't generalize then you wouldn't say what u did in your previous post. We do not
know what you or your friend's taste in men. We just need to know how do you want your
men treat you. In Malaysia, speaking fluently is considered formal mostly because most of
them can't do it hence born "rojak". It's a communication method which brings most of us
closer to each other. I think you have not been mixing around with people with lower level
of intellect and stay within the boundaries of higher intellect people which are mostly rich
and successful(I presume) therefore I do not think you been through real sufferings. I don't
think Manglish is formal but when you speak proper language with people working at
"mamak" stalls and those chinese coffee shops, I doubt they understand. They are not
properly educated anyway. Even my mum have trouble keeping up speaking Mandarin to
people who are chinese educated.
guys, stop the http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html (green bolded text.)

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arguments pls.
It's not really about being formal/informal or using bahasa baku or bahasa rojak. Hmm.. I will make a
third revision to principle 8 soon. Im now trying to find the right words to express what i want to say.
technomancer, your comments and feedback is welcome. In fact, one of the reasons why im posting this
in C C is to get comments like the one you made about the political incorrectness of basic principle 8.
Efforts are being made to make it more politically correct. Will re-edit soon to third revision. Pls
understand that i dont mean to be discriminatory towards speakers of dialects/manglish/singlish. In fact,
if you are comfortable speaking manglish then fine so long as you carry yourself confidently. Broken
manglish however is still not a good thing. The third revision of principle 8 will reflect this.
QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion81 @ Feb 4 2008, 02:41 A M)
This thread is pointless since a much more comphrehensive player's guide is available on the net.
Try David De Angelo's book as well.
But is it based on true real life stories of Lowyat.net's C upid's C orner Malaysians?
QUOTE(cadmus @ Feb 4 2008, 02:48 A M)

Good question. I'll reply in the FAQ section of the first post soon.
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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Feb 4 2008, 05:21 A M)
Read the first post. Alot of info.
thanks for the compliment
Posted by: Fatimus Feb 4 2008, 12:11 PM

In order to appreciate your effort, I will bump this thread up if it reaches page 2.
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Posted by: nicklaus Feb 4 2008, 01:32 PM

well, this thread had open many answers that are still floating in minds of people out there. great job.
but i got to comment: well, bahasa baku or bahasa rojak doesent make a serious impact, its just that
if they both ar comfortable with each others way of communication then let it be.

TS made a good efforts...
Is a interestin read for me oso
bahasa apa pun ok, janji understands each other. i am no linguist, just regular dood.
Posted by: Stefanov Feb 4 2008, 03:45 PM
QUOTE
and how you guys can explain that..

now you guys got the experience, scenario and stuffs.
it is better to you put another method in.
the scientific way.
Posted by: siew14 Feb 4 2008, 04:01 PM

DAmn.. People people starting to realize these stuff...
NooOOooOoooOoOOoooOOoooooooOoOoOoOooO..
Not bad TS, you did some research on it. But still, DAMN!! XD
QUOTE(cadmus @ Feb 4 2008, 02:48 A M)

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Based on my experience, the girl that you are not intrested but they are intrested to you are the ones
who able to chat with you, sharing stories and etc-etc. So if you are able to apply that kind of skills to
the one you are intrested, then the quote above wont be exist.

I'd like to thank everyone for their kind compliments.
Im gonna PM a moderator soon... hoping for this thread to be pinned. Will quote your comments in
my PM.
btw, the question:
QUOTE
has been addressed in the first post of this thread. Under the FAQ section.
Posted by: andrienne Feb 4 2008, 07:48 PM
damn... if ya didn't generalize u wouldn't say wat u said... we don know ur or ur close frenz' taste...
and speaking fluently is formal in Malaysia... many juz can't accept people who speak 2
fluently here... they tend to accuse of showing off... i ain't no fortune-teller but at least i don
discriminate people wif diff intellect definitions... i don consider manglish formal either but when u go
out and hang out... it's a common tongue...
tat is if u go to mamak stalls or kopi tiam(real kedai
kopi lar)...
If you don't generalize then you wouldn't say what u did in your previous post. We do not know what
you or your friend's taste in men. We just need to know how do you want your men treat you. In
Malaysia, speaking fluently is considered formal mostly because most of them can't do it hence born
"rojak". It's a communication method which brings most of us closer to each other. I think you have
not been mixing around with people with lower level of intellect and stay within the
boundaries of higher intellect people which are mostly rich and successful(I presume)
therefore I do not think you been through real sufferings. I don't think Manglish is formal but
when you speak proper language with people working at "mamak" stalls and those chinese coffee
shops, I doubt they understand. They are not properly educated anyway. Even my mum have trouble
keeping up speaking Mandarin to people who are chinese educated.
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thanks for your 'fluent version' or maybe shall i say, your 'formal version'
assumption made on thinking that i have not been with people from different backgrounds. i have been
with school dropouts tht speaks nothing but cantonese(to be precise, foul words) during my junior
secondary. cousins from my maternal side that i lived with during my primary days finished only primary
or at most pmr level education. the reason why they didn't go with education is not because of financial
problem. but rather, lack of intellect.
to assume tht i stay within the rich and successful boundary is another thing that i find funny. my
higher intellect/succesful friends are mostly middle class and some have to fully rely on scholarships to
get them through college/uni. being lower intellect does not mean that one has to be poor.
i have no problem ordering a cup of milo at mamak with. 'bang, boleh bagi satu milo' or chinese coffee
shops with, 'ngo yiu yat pui suet char' (it means i want a cup of chinese tea with ice). those are what i
say proper and fluent conversing in language.
to my understanding, this is not just a thread solely on how girls want guys to treat them. it's also about
how to help guys to know girls better.
and, open-minded people should brace others' opinions with and open heart and mind instead of calling
people name(s).
QUOTE
Let me rephrase the question: Why attractive girls dont want me but unattractive girls do?
This is the average joe dilemma. Guys who ask this question are likely to be average joe's looking to
date an attractive lady. Put yourself in her shoes. If you were a hot stud, and had lots of attention
from beautiful ladies, would you want to date an average jane? Alternatively, an unattractive girl has
no real chance of winning over a hot stud (because the hot stud has lots of more attractive admirers).
Thus, the unattractive girl that shows interest in you has simply faced reality and lowered her
standards by going after you. Set your standards lower and you would start to notice that the girls you
are interested in would start showing interest in you. You could also work on the basic 8 principles to
increase your attractiveness.
good explanation
Posted by: scorps Feb 4 2008, 08:14 PM
The principles mentioned only refer to cases whereby a guy is

going after a pretty/attractive girl.
True, not all women are like that... for the simple reason that some women are ugly/non-attractive,
and would have to lower their standards... hence the principles dont apply.
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Beauty and sexual attractiveness fades with time.... True.

Now let me ask you:
Would you rather be with a beautiful lady who is getting less beautiful over time
OR a not-so-beautiful lady who is getting less beautiful over time?
The Principles are based on the simple idea that every guy would go out with the most sexually
attractive lady that is wiling to go out with him. Of course, there are exceptions (due to
cultural/religious/social barriers) but in general it does hold true.
what if i say i'd go out with a girl whose personality captures me most and makes herself irresistible, but
not by her looks?
please answer me
QUOTE(scorps @ Feb 4 2008, 08:14 PM)
what if i say i'd go out with a girl whose personality captures me most and makes herself irresistible,
but not by her looks?
please answer me
Are you saying that you would go out with someone who is not attractive EVEN IF there are attractive
girls interested in you?
Please answer the following questions:

Q1) If there are two girls whose "personality captures" you. One is pretty, one is less pretty. Would you
date the less pretty one?
Q2) If a pretty girl you have known for a long time comes and fesses up to having a thing for you, would
you still stay with that girl with the "captivating personality"?
I'd say there are three possibilities.

1) That girl with the captivating personality is willing to go out with you. The pretty girls you are eyeing
arent interested in you, hence, you settle for the girl with the personality.
2) That girl with the captivating personality has reasonable looks. An average jane. She is coming on to
you. Hence, you go for her... Even knowing that there are some prettier girls within your reach as they
would require more time/effort/money to court.
3) That girl with the captivating personality is one of the girls you are eyeing already. Sure, there are
other pretty girls - but not by much. So due to compatibility, you go for the girl with the personality.
That's perfectly reasonable.
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technomancer, your comments and feedback is welcome. In fact, one of the reasons why im posting
this in C C is to get comments like the one you made about the political incorrectness of basic principle
8. Efforts are being made to make it more politically correct. Will re-edit soon to third revision. Pls
understand that i dont mean to be discriminatory towards speakers of dialects/manglish/singlish. In
fact, if you are comfortable speaking manglish then fine so long as you carry yourself confidently.
Broken manglish however is still not a good thing. The third revision of principle 8 will reflect this.
But is it based on true real life stories of Lowyat.net's C upid's C orner Malaysians?
nah... u still gotta be the zebra since u r the TS... I'm juz making points for others to argue about... hope
i won overdo it...
QUOTE(andrienne @ Feb 4 2008, 08:48 PM)
assumption made on thinking that i have not been with people from different backgrounds. i have
been with school dropouts tht speaks nothing but cantonese(to be precise, foul words) during
my junior secondary. cousins from my maternal side that i lived with during my primary days finished
only primary or at most pmr level education. the reason why they didn't go with education is not
because of financial problem. but rather, lack of intellect.
to assume tht i stay within the rich and successful boundary is another thing that i find funny. my
higher intellect/succesful friends are mostly middle class and some have to fully rely on scholarships
to get them through college/uni. being lower intellect does not mean that one has to be poor.
i have no problem ordering a cup of milo at mamak with. 'bang, boleh bagi satu milo' or chinese coffee
shops with, 'ngo yiu yat pui suet char' (it means i want a cup of chinese tea with ice). those are what i
say proper and fluent conversing in language.
to my understanding, this is not just a thread solely on how girls want guys to treat them. it's also
about how to help guys to know girls better.
and, open-minded people should brace others' opinions with and open heart and mind instead of
calling people name(s).
good explanation
see those red bold words.... tat means u haven't been mixing much... FYI dropouts can even speak
hokien for all i care... a drop out is juz a dropout... but they might find better ways to earn money than
some degree holder someday... nobody knows...
some company who uses foul language...
and i bet u would be shocked to hear some GM in
I met some... not only in hokien or cantonese... other
language as well... i don blame them for being honest wif themselves...
the bolded black words show tat u got no exp in seeing students... u seen hatekiasuppl's story about how
he said he was poor, got some pretty gf, and had a loan of RM100000 ? there are people like tat... and
for me to assume the higher intellect are rich and powerful is becuz i always believe tat people of the
higher intellect will realize the importance of money and find many creative ways to earn it(which i admit
i sux at tat)...
and honestly... those waiters in mamak stalls and kopitiam's(i mean those good business 1) got no time
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for u to finish ur sentence and some might ask u to be quick rudely...

It's not tat i'm not accepting ur opinions... i'm merely giving u some advice not to look down on people
and label them of "the lower intellect ppl"...
and i'm sorry if u take my critic 2 seriously...
i'm taking this as a healthy debate and have no
intention of making u my enemy...

techno u kinda said it, i had trouble to compose a good reply cos my england still in the improvement
werks but yeah ...

nah... u still gotta be the zebra since u r the TS... I'm juz making points for others to argue
about... hope i won overdo it...
see those red bold words.... tat means u haven't been mixing much... FYI dropouts can even
speak hokien for all i care... a drop out is juz a dropout... but they might find better ways to
earn money than some degree holder someday... nobody knows...
shocked to hear some GM in some company who uses foul language...
and i bet u would be

I met some...
not only in hokien or cantonese... other language as well... i don blame them for being
honest wif themselves...
the bolded black words show tat u got no exp in seeing students... u seen hatekiasuppl's
story about how he said he was poor, got some pretty gf, and had a loan of RM100000 ?
there are people like tat... and for me to assume the higher intellect are rich and powerful is
becuz i always believe tat people of the higher intellect will realize the importance of money
and find many creative ways to earn it(which i admit i sux at tat)...
and honestly... those waiters in mamak stalls and kopitiam's(i mean those good business 1)
got no time for u to finish ur sentence and some might ask u to be quick rudely...
It's not tat i'm not accepting ur opinions... i'm merely giving u some advice not to look down
on people and label them of "the lower intellect ppl"...
i'm taking this as a healthy debate and
have no intention of making u my enemy...
No worries. I believe everyone has the right to voice their opinion. C ivil discussion is welcome. Just dont
start a flamewar by using ad hominem arguments.
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Personally, i think she's referring to some guys who try to get attention by intentionally using foul
language. I dont think girls who have any self respect would go for guys like that - again, it may appeal
to some girls.

You can act High and Mighty your entire life. That is your choice. End of the day, whenever that is,
you will realize your mortality.
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:06 PM)
techno u kinda said it, i had trouble to compose a good reply cos my england still in the
improvement werks but yeah ...
hahaha lol
Dun worry lah, we can toking about what girl need if got looking for the bestest husband.
Exam teacher never seeing one this forum so no need very scared of teacher of english got seeing it.
worry not.
cannot dieded wan..
Posted by: liew90kw Feb 4 2008, 10:32 PM

the ladder theory is hilarious.
but yeah, i think we've all heard the theory "girls say they want one thing, but are naturally attracted
to the exact opposite", right?
in short, "why good guys get none and bad boys get some".
hahaha lol
Dun worry lah, we can toking about what girl need if got looking for the bestest husband.
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Exam teacher never seeing one this forum so no need very scared of teacher of english got seeing it.
C ommunicate means u talk, i listen, i understand.

I talk , u listen, u understand.
Thats it.
Throwing in words like ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis is not gonna help if no one knoes wtf u talking abt.
Yes I exaggerate. C os I am simple person. I am not Oxford Professor in Linguistics. I am not a hotshot
C EO of a VC company with a MIT PhD. I am Vey99.

you like to use the word ergo alot nowadays don't you
QUOTE(liew90kw @ Feb 4 2008, 10:35 PM)
you like to use the word ergo alot nowadays don't you
i am trying to improve my english, ergo i am using "ergo" a lot.

i learn from Matrix 2. so who says u can't learn from movies???
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:34 PM)
C ommunicate means u talk, i listen, i understand.

I talk , u listen, u understand.
Thats it.
Throwing in words like ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis is not gonna help if no one knoes wtf u talking
abt.
Yes I exaggerate. C os I am simple person. I am not Oxford Professor in Linguistics. I am not a
hotshot C EO of a VC company with a MIT PhD. I am Vey99.
oh noes... i also dont know the meaning of those words.
Eh, if any of the language in the first post is unclear/difficult, let me know k.
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Im trying to make it as readable as possible.
Posted by: nickisthemost Feb 4 2008, 10:41 PM

something i really like from your explaination, why some girls keep on saying they are ugly lar, they
are fat lar, not beautiful, yet they are far from it
QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Feb 4 2008, 10:41 PM)
ergo, fishing for comments.

Edit: DAMMIT VEY YOU INFEC TED ME
Thats why sumtimes i ask, what answer u expect when u say "i ugly lar" ...
sumtime i get the image of this fat misai man lighting up his cigar with a $100 bill and say "i not rich
larrrrrrr".
Sheesh.
No worries. I believe everyone has the right to voice their opinion. C ivil discussion is welcome. Just
dont start a flamewar by using ad hominem arguments.
Personally, i think she's referring to some guys who try to get attention by intentionally using foul
language. I dont think girls who have any self respect would go for guys like that - again, it may
appeal to some girls.
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so far i never seen any guys who would use foul language to get attention lar... most of them use foul
language to express their negative feelings piled up by stress and pressure... and in my point of
view i see more guys who use foul language in their everyday conversation score more dates than us
gentlemen... sad to say it but it's quite a fact... brings back memories of the school days huh...?
and
it's not bout self respect... it's juz simply culture... although a bad 1... but most youngster do it....
not to say i'm encouraging it but it's becoming common.... don't u think...?
i know she's tat goodie goodie school gal tat's y i purposely reply her rudely to see her reaction(juz to
pancing see whether she will get ruder
)...
I m a person of high proficiency in english... but i dowan to use it wif people who don understand it
properly... so instead of cursing people for their level of intellect... i prefer to learn and blend in... this is
wat i call being open minded and accepting others(please do flame me kao kao if i'm wrong)...
QUOTE(liew90kw @ Feb 4 2008, 11:32 PM)
the ladder theory is hilarious.

but yeah, i think we've all heard the theory "girls say they want one thing, but are naturally attracted
to the exact opposite", right?
in short, "why good guys get none and bad boys get some".
i don quite agree wif u.... actually... from wat i see... guys who get some are:
1) guys who are big(socially)...
2) rich guys who are 2 dumb(they get some)...
3) sweet talking(and/or liars) guys(they usually switch gals n get lots)...
the ladder theory is actually rite in a way but i think it only applies to certain groups of gals... not
complete all... and it would be a lil offending to classify and differentiate those gals(erza might end up
getting hated by the ladies)...
so u pandai pandai lar...
i don quite agree wif u.... actually... from wat i see... guys who get some are:
1) guys who are big(socially)...
2) rich guys who are 2 dumb(they get some)...
3) sweet talking(and/or liars) guys(they usually switch gals n get lots)...
complete all... and it would be a lil offending to classify and differentiate those gals(erza might end up
getting hated by the ladies)...
well, the ladder theory applies to some people i know. not naming any, in case they visit LYN too. don't
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plan on dying yet

i asked some girls i know about the bad boy thing and 2 of them admitted they just have a natural builtin weakness for hose kinda guys. they can't explain it.
I m a person of high proficiency in english...
i am feeling "ambivalent" on this ... lol
...
complete all... and it would be a lil offending to classify and differentiate those gals(erza might end
up getting hated by the ladies)...
Hahaha, why doesnt anyone say i might end up being the guy the girls love to hate?
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:13 A M)
i am feeling "ambivalent" on this ... lol
huh...? y...?
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Hahaha, why doesnt anyone say i might end up being the guy the girls love to hate?
err... no reason to say tat obviously... n i see many gals like wat u r doing...
nah... u still gotta be the zebra since u r the TS... I'm juz making points for others to argue about...
hope i won overdo it...
see those red bold words.... tat means u haven't been mixing much... FYI dropouts can even speak
hokien for all i care... a drop out is juz a dropout... but they might find better ways to earn money
than some degree holder someday... nobody knows...
GM in some company who uses foul language...
and i bet u would be shocked to hear some
I met some... not only in hokien or cantonese...
other language as well... i don blame them for being honest wif themselves...
the bolded black words show tat u got no exp in seeing students... u seen hatekiasuppl's story about
how he said he was poor, got some pretty gf, and had a loan of RM100000 ? there are people like
tat... and for me to assume the higher intellect are rich and powerful is becuz i always believe tat
people of the higher intellect will realize the importance of money and find many creative ways to earn
it(which i admit i sux at tat)...
and honestly... those waiters in mamak stalls and kopitiam's(i mean those good business 1) got no
time for u to finish ur sentence and some might ask u to be quick rudely...
It's not tat i'm not accepting ur opinions... i'm merely giving u some advice not to look down on people
and label them of "the lower intellect ppl"...
i'm taking this as a healthy debate and have no
intention of making u my enemy...
i am not shocked tht you tell me GM uses foul language. i do as well. but i don't use it on everyday basis
to simply sound cool or to attract attention like how TS said in the later post of his. if you have yet to
seen or meet people tht would use foul language to attract attention then i must say this point is not for
me to argue with you because you have yet to experience with it. you don't blame them for expressing
themselves via such way, but it shows that most of them are just lack of proper respect towards others
that they are conversing with. if you're used to it then you might find it ok. yes, i am with people tht
speaks foul language almost everyday, but tht doesn't mean i have to agree with it even tho i accept it
and to be able to earn the respect of someone, you gotta start with respecting others.
yes, school dropouts could earn more than a degree holder. i have seen examples of it. but in this case
since you're saying i have not been mixing around with people from other backgrounds. so, i am
replying based on my own experience. to say tht they could find better ways to earn money, well, i don't
doubt tht. but we're not here to doubt or debate whether they could earn better income or not. for the
waiters/waitresses to be rude at me, i have yet to experience tht. so, i am not in a position to elaborate
it further.
i don't really pay attention to hatekiasuppl's story(s) because i find it a waste of time. at such, i shall not
elaborate further as i will be deemed to be unfair in giving out opinion.
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and to remind you again, it was not me who started saying tht i do not mingle around with people with
lesser/lower intellect. i have yet to think about it at all right up until you replied me tht i don't mingle with
people of tht intellect level and i am merely using back the word 'intellect' for your understanding(no, i
don't mean tht you won't be able to understand. but since you chose to use tht word, i shall follow the
flow and use it to reply you for better understanding).
don't worry, i don't take it presonally. i am here to debate it because i find that this thread is so far one
of the very few tht is worth of my time and worth of letting guys know what do some girls want from
them from the first impression till the very day they get the girls. i won't get ruder coz by doing so, i am
only making myself look worse and to do it here, well, i better not say further coz it might start another
debate . yes, i do see you as someone with high english proficiency from the way you reply. i do
understand tht you're trying to 'tell' me to mingle around with others. i have been doing that but i guess
your type of mingle around and accepting others is different from my way.

i am not shocked tht you tell me GM uses foul language. i do as well. but i don't use it on
everyday basis to simply sound cool or to attract attention like how TS said in the later post
of his. if you have yet to seen or meet people tht would use foul language to attract
attention then i must say this point is not for me to argue with you because you have yet to
experience with it. you don't blame them for expressing themselves via such way, but it
shows that most of them are just lack of proper respect towards others that they are
conversing with. if you're used to it then you might find it ok. yes, i am with people tht
speaks foul language almost everyday, but tht doesn't mean i have to agree with it
even tho i accept it and to be able to earn the respect of someone, you gotta start with
respecting others.
yes, school dropouts could earn more than a degree holder. i have seen examples of it. but
in this case since you're saying i have not been mixing around with people from other
backgrounds. so, i am replying based on my own experience. to say tht they could find
better ways to earn money, well, i don't doubt tht. but we're not here to doubt or debate
whether they could earn better income or not. for the waiters/waitresses to be rude at me, i
have yet to experience tht. so, i am not in a position to elaborate it further.
i don't really pay attention to hatekiasuppl's story(s) because i find it a waste of time. at
such, i shall not elaborate further as i will be deemed to be unfair in giving out opinion.
and to remind you again, it was not me who started saying tht i do not mingle around with
people with lesser/lower intellect. i have yet to think about it at all right up until you replied
me tht i don't mingle with people of tht intellect level and i am merely using back the word
'intellect' for your understanding(no, i don't mean tht you won't be able to understand. but
since you chose to use tht word, i shall follow the flow and use it to reply you for better
understanding).
don't worry, i don't take it presonally. i am here to debate it because i find that this thread is
so far one of the very few tht is worth of my time and worth of letting guys know what do
some girls want from them from the first impression till the very day they get the girls. i
won't get ruder coz by doing so, i am only making myself look worse and to do it
here, well, i better not say further coz it might start another debate . yes, i do see
you as someone with high english proficiency from the way you reply. i do understand tht
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you're trying to 'tell' me to mingle around with others. i have been doing that but i guess
your type of mingle around and accepting others is different from my way.
damn... i'm not asking u to accept them... i'm juz asking u not to discriminate them... juz a friendly
advice...
and yeah... we might have a lil diff in mind... tat's exactly y this thread is created for... cuz most guys
don understand wat's cook'in up in a gal's mind... and well... u prove to be likewise...
cuz from the
way u reply(which i believe vey99 thing the same way as i do) shows tat u do discriminate people with
lower intellect... not liking them is 1 thing... hating them is another...
OT: Did some guys use foul language at u or maybe some1 u know out of a sudden with no specific
reason b4...?
i am not shocked tht you tell me GM uses foul language. i do as well. but i don't use it on everyday
basis to simply sound cool or to attract attention like how TS said in the later post of his.
if you have yet to seen or meet people tht would use foul language to attract attention
then i must say this point is not for me to argue with you because you have yet to
experience with it. you don't blame them for expressing themselves via such way, but it shows that
most of them are just lack of proper respect towards others that they are conversing with. if you're
used to it then you might find it ok. yes, i am with people tht speaks foul language almost everyday,
but tht doesn't mean i have to agree with it even tho i accept it and to be able to earn the respect of
someone, you gotta start with respecting others.
Perhaps i should elaborate a bit.

Everyone has things in life that makes them feel good about themselves.
Some people turn to religion.

Some people show off their moves at clubs.
Some people play sports.
Some people shine academically.
Some people assert their perceived (delusional?) social dominance in school by using foul language. I
had to deal quite alot with that in highschool as a prefect.
cuz from the way u reply(which i believe vey99 thing the same way as i do) shows tat u do
discriminate people with lower intellect...
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Sigh. Let them ketuk la. Let them differentiate themselves as the superior beings. Fine by me. But don't
come crying when ppls ketuk u back.
"Saya Pantang Dicabar"
Perhaps i should elaborate a bit.

Everyone has things in life that makes them feel good about themselves.
Some people turn to religion.
Some people show off their moves at clubs.
Some people play sports.
Some people shine academically.
Some people assert their perceived (delusional?) social dominance in school by using foul language. I
had to deal quite alot with that in highschool as a prefect.
yup... andrienne... we all got a lot to learn... so learn...
Posted by: TwistedInsanity Feb 5 2008, 01:52 AM

Hmm...
I did once post before, that I have no arguments about the principles you posted.
Because most of them are true, however does not comply with every female.
However, after seeing your update and all....
Sometimes I just think you guys are over-analyzing things.
QUOTE(TwistedInsanity @ Feb 5 2008, 02:52 A M)
Hmm...
I did once post before, that I have no arguments about the principles you posted.
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Because most of them are true, however does not comply with every female.
However, after seeing your update and all....
Sometimes I just think you guys are over-analyzing things.
tat's wat i said... but this thread is all about understanding from analyzing... and there are some
boundaries/limitations to them so u can't really blame us for it...
Posted by: TwistedInsanity Feb 5 2008, 02:11 AM
tat's wat i said... but this thread is all about understanding from analyzing... and there are some
boundaries/limitations to them so u can't really blame us for it...
Ahh..
..
Forgive me then, quite late now.
Didn't really bother reading the replies/pages.
Sorry~!
And no, not blaming anyone.
Ok, have fun men.

*Runs*
Posted by: +3kk! Feb 5 2008, 02:25 AM

hahaha, thread went of rail.
have to say tho, its too general. although this is not the first time ive seen something like this, but
well i doubt it would be the last. that said aside, most of us have clashing attributes as in we have
tons of grey areas. some have social dominance but prefer not to show, some have something else.
then also if you get a goody two shoes i doubt she would leave you cause you look submissive
Posted by: low yat 82 Feb 5 2008, 02:28 AM
is there anyway to jump from fren's ladder to d other one? or shud i find other girls?
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 03:25 A M)
have to say tho, its too general. although this is not the first time ive seen something like this, but
well i doubt it would be the last. that said aside, most of us have clashing attributes as in we have tons
of grey areas. some have social dominance but prefer not to show, some have something else.
then also if you get a goody two shoes i doubt she would leave you cause you look submissive
i agree... any idea to classify gals without offending them...?
Posted by: feyhime Feb 5 2008, 09:29 AM
QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Feb 5 2008, 02:28 A M)
For me, impossible. If you have the potential to be on the good ladder, you would have been place there
and not on the friends' ladder. Am not sure about other girls, but I will usually evaluate and only put
guys on ladder after I know him enough to be able to classified him (this is after getting to know the
person). Being on the friends' ladder to me means you will NEVER have a chance to jump on the good
ladder, no matter how much efforts you put it, because you are simply not my kind of guy. No point
wasting mine and your time.
QUOTE(feyhime @ Feb 5 2008, 09:29 A M)
For me, impossible. If you have the potential to be on the good ladder, you would have been place
there and not on the friends' ladder. Am not sure about other girls, but I will usually evaluate and only
put guys on ladder after I know him enough to be able to classified him (this is after getting to know
the person). Being on the friends' ladder to me means you will NEVER have a chance to jump on the
good ladder, no matter how much efforts you put it, because you are simply not my kind of guy. No
point wasting mine and your time.
then again i made that jump
i agree... any idea to classify gals without offending them...?

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classifying is a problem, one would make it general but every girl is different. then again lifes a
confusing b****, one moment to generalize is wrong another its right.
Posted by: kobe8byrant Feb 5 2008, 10:42 AM

Personally, I don't see a wrong in generalizing especially when you are trying to talk about such a
wide audience: LADIES. Besides, the needs and wants of ladies would all be the same, no? Finding
the perfect man out there.
QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 5 2008, 10:42 A M)
Personally, I don't see a wrong in generalizing especially when you are trying to talk about such a
wide audience: LADIES. Besides, the needs and wants of ladies would all be the same, no? Finding the
perfect man out there.
hahahha, keyword - perfect man

each female has her own definition of it, some weigh certain values in a bloke over another.
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 10:38 A M)
then again i made that jump

Then again, I did said it's "For me..."
QUOTE(feyhime @ Feb 5 2008, 10:57 A M)
Then again, I did said it's "For me..."

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erm.........err...........*acts blur and incompetent in understanding your english*

say wha-?
Posted by: kobe8byrant Feb 5 2008, 11:15 AM
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 10:50 A M)
hahahha, keyword - perfect man

each female has her own definition of it, some weigh certain values in a bloke over another.
Yeah the attributes of a perfect man is different but the courting process will always be the same, no?
There are many ways to use a product but the consumer buying process is always the same?
*Don't even think of accusing me of saying that women are products. It's an analogy
Posted by: yngwie Feb 5 2008, 11:27 AM

girl always prefer a guy who can give 'em a sense of security. feel sincerely cared for.......... and
perhaps, a certain bad a** who can give em 100% satisfaction guarantee
QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Feb 5 2008, 02:28 A M)
depends on the nature of your relationship.
If you are a "friend" of a girl, and you are in a dominant position in the friend-friend relationship, then
it's probably quite easy to switch ladders.
If you are in a dominant position, the girl who is your friend probably looks up to you already. All you
need to do is confess.
However, if you are the type of guy with low self esteem and had approached the girl on the pretext of
being a "friend", then move on --> go find other girls.
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...and dont repeat the mistake of approaching them as a "friend".
Posted by: +3kk! Feb 5 2008, 02:43 PM
QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 5 2008, 11:15 A M)
Yeah the attributes of a perfect man is different but the courting process will always be the same, no?
There are many ways to use a product but the consumer buying process is always the same?
*Don't even think of accusing me of saying that women are products. It's an analogy
see with the different attributes the courting process would be different. lets say you are going after a
girl thats wild, independent and loves an alpha male but you go up to her offering attention and being a
wuss. that wont work.
but if the girl is wanting a not soo independent chap for whatever reason, wants a lot of security so she
prefers a lower self esteem. but you start hogging her the other way it wont work too
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 11:38 A M)
tat's y i say u pandai pandai wif the principle urself since we haven't find a way to classify them....
depends on the nature of your relationship.

If you are a "friend" of a girl, and you are in a dominant position in the friend-friend relationship, then
it's probably quite easy to switch ladders.
If you are in a dominant position, the girl who is your friend probably looks up to you already. All you
need to do is confess.
However, if you are the type of guy with low self esteem and had approached the girl on the pretext
of being a "friend", then move on --> go find other girls.
...and dont repeat the mistake of approaching them as a "friend".
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all i see in this entire thread is mostly about guys being socially dominant
domino pizza i know lar
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 02:43 PM)
see with the different attributes the courting process would be different. lets say you are going after a
girl thats wild, independent and loves an alpha male but you go up to her offering attention and being
a wuss. that wont work.
but if the girl is wanting a not soo independent chap for whatever reason, wants a lot of
security so she prefers a lower self esteem. but you start hogging her the other way it wont
work too
Are you suggesting there are girls who would prefer a guy who is:
1) "not so" independent
2) has a lower self esteem
...if there are other more independent/confident guys who are interested in her as well??
Doesnt make sense. I'll bet that some girls would have to settle for "not so" independent guys with low
self esteem because she isnt so attractive to begin with - and hence has no chance to court the
independent/confident guys who get all the attention from the more pretty girls. I contest that they
lowered their standard, choosing less than ideal guys because they are less than ideal themselves.
That's not a bad thing. It's good cuz they face reality as it is and dont have their heads in the clouds
waiting for some perfect guy that never seems to be available to them.
all i see in this entire thread is mostly about guys being socially dominant
domino pizza i know lar
true wat... guys who stands out usually get laid more...
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i think there are a small number of guys like tat...
damn... i'm not asking u to accept them... i'm juz asking u not to discriminate them... juz a friendly
advice...
and yeah... we might have a lil diff in mind... tat's exactly y this thread is created for... cuz most guys
don understand wat's cook'in up in a gal's mind... and well... u prove to be likewise...
cuz from
the way u reply(which i believe vey99 thing the same way as i do) shows tat u do discriminate people
with lower intellect... not liking them is 1 thing... hating them is another...
OT: Did some guys use foul language at u or maybe some1 u know out of a sudden with no specific
reason b4...?
first of all, like i said earlier, i wasn't even thinking of looking down on your so called 'lower intellect
people'. it wasn't even bout intellect at the first place from my understanding of people tht speak in very
broken language till others can't understand and people tht speak in foul language most of the time.
QUOTE
that you're able to carry yourself well...
apologies as i realise now tht i used the word fluently in my previous post. it should be properly as i find
tht fluently is to the extend of prefect grammar with superb pronunciations.
i don't think you need way alot of intellect to be able to carry yourself well and think twice before
speaking out blatantly. the misconception is to others here is tht i am discriminating people with lower
level of intellect whilst i have already stated in my very first reply to the language principle(P8) about
why being able to speak/converse properly tht it reflects how you carry/potray yourself. if they could
make it big later in life and have money then i'm happy for them. but tht doesn't mean tht they could
continue to speak out blatantly without thinking twice of what comes out from their mouths.
and as i say i won't be ruder than the one tht provokes me at the first place as it will make me worse
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because i find it silly to do so in an open discussion or even in my personal life. there's no need for tht or
there's no need to even trying to test someone's EQ. this is a discussion thread instead of a place to see
who's level of rudeness would be higher.
as for your OT, yes...it happened before and no, they are actually people from the 'higher intellect'
group as for your term. but tht doesn't stop them from making bad impressions on the girls.
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:20 A M)
Sigh. Let them ketuk la. Let them differentiate themselves as the superior beings. Fine by me. But
don't come crying when ppls ketuk u back.
"Saya Pantang Dicabar"
i don't see myself as the superior ones because everyone is the same. but the way you carry
yourself/potray yourself is what differs you from others. i don't see giving out opinions is 'ketuk' others.
things was started off with me trying to tell tht the way you speaks reflects how you carry yourself. but
somewhere in the middle, ppl just started slipping in the lower intellect term and for me to see how
people carry themselves by their way of conversing is deemed as discriminating.
yourself/potray yourself is what differs you from others. i don't see giving out opinions is 'ketuk'
others.
I tend to rant. So maybe my word use is not so suit the situation. Anyway I belief all entitle to opinion. If
not same wavelength, means hard to mingle, thats all. I won't try to say i am in upper or lower
spectrum, just, different. (in the general case).
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actually my words a little confusing, but the point remains. a different girl would want different attributes,
you bang her with something else it wont work.
on the issue of self esteem and independence, its towards the girls preference i have no idea about it.
you said a reason yourself, if she thinks she aint good enough and lower her standards its something
possible also or they have had enough with alpha males. what ever the case that aint the point im trying
to make.
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 04:32 PM)
actually my words a little confusing, but the point remains. a different girl would want
different attributes, you bang her with something else it wont work.
on the issue of self esteem and independence, its towards the girls preference i have no idea
about it. you said a reason yourself, if she thinks she aint good enough and lower her standards its
something possible also or they have had enough with alpha males. what ever the case that aint the
point im trying to make.
Oic. Well, do elaborate and hopefully we'll get an answer from the girls who are replying in this thread.
first of all, like i said earlier, i wasn't even thinking of looking down on your so called 'lower intellect
people'. it wasn't even bout intellect at the first place from my understanding of people tht speak in
very broken language till others can't understand and people tht speak in foul language most of the
time.
apologies as i realise now tht i used the word fluently in my previous post. it should be
properly as i find tht fluently is to the extend of prefect grammar with superb
pronunciations.
ok... apologies accepted by me... dunno bout the others... i can understand tat...
i don't think you need way alot of intellect to be able to carry yourself well and think twice before
speaking out blatantly. the misconception is to others here is tht i am discriminating people with
lower level of intellect whilst i have already stated in my very first reply to the language principle(P8)
about why being able to speak/converse properly tht it reflects how you carry/potray yourself. if they
could make it big later in life and have money then i'm happy for them. but tht doesn't mean tht they
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could continue to speak out blatantly without thinking twice of what comes out from their mouths.
elaborate tat... not many here understand tat... u gotta master manglish here...
but then u juz did as well... cuz u don not understand the persception of most people here and end up
kena from me and vey99... but i apologize for my part...
and as i say i won't be ruder than the one tht provokes me at the first place as it will make me worse
because i find it silly to do so in an open discussion or even in my personal life. there's no need for tht
or there's no need to even trying to test someone's EQ. this is a discussion thread instead of a place to
see who's level of rudeness would be higher.
FYI... a to-be-psycologyst(who should be of higher intellect) got my bait b4... i mentioned bout the bait 2
soon on this thread... or u will end up juz like this guy: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/615650,
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=616100&hl=... poor b4stard...
as for your OT, yes...it happened before and no, they are actually people from the 'higher intellect'
group as for your term. but tht doesn't stop them from making bad impressions on the girls.
yourself/potray yourself is what differs you from others. i don't see giving out opinions is 'ketuk'
others.
I didn't say tat... u did... it was all cuz of the way u wrote ur 1st post i replied...
due to the diff in our
minds...
things was started off with me trying to tell tht the way you speaks reflects how you carry
yourself. but somewhere in the middle, ppl just started slipping in the lower intellect term and for me
to see how people carry themselves by their way of conversing is deemed as discriminating.
this is the right statement u should have used... if u see all the replies in Kopitiam u will understand y...
people here love simple short and easy to understand words... don make it 2 complicated...
Posted by: kean89 Feb 5 2008, 06:02 PM

What are you ? A pick up artist?
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QUOTE(kean89 @ Feb 5 2008, 06:02 PM)
What are you ? A pick up artist?
Nope, just a simple guy who's fed up of hearing:
1) Guys whining about how they are ignored by the girls they are after... even though they were "nice".
(read: effiminate, but they didnt know)
3) Girls who keep on telling guys that they are looking for some one "nice", "sweet" or "caring". It is not
wrong, but tt's not even half the truth.
Posted by: kean89 Feb 5 2008, 06:13 PM

Owh. Appreciate what you're doing and i'm kinda sick of whiny males too. Most guys generalize women
just to have a sense of comfort when the real story is that they ain't got no game.

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hey its C C after all

what you expect from a pool of desperation?

y a pause all of a sudden..?
UPDATED: Added new story to illustrate basic principle #2

Posted by: Fatimus Feb 6 2008, 12:49 AM
First step that many should is STOP LOOKING, that's what I am doing now, for they will come to you
eventually.
And "be yourself", is by not mean be yourself who's unhygienic. Work up your image, get a steady
haircut, wear proper clothes, be a nice guy...with edge.
Posted by: Digifriend07 Feb 6 2008, 12:59 AM
Waw, this thread helps a lot from my perspective...
Posted by: xcutelilgal Feb 6 2008, 12:59 PM
Interesting. Too much to read to comment however I would agree with the 7 other basic principles
and not the 1st basic principle.
QUOTE(xcutelilgal @ Feb 6 2008, 12:59 PM)
Interesting. Too much to read to comment however I would agree with the 7 other basic principles and
not the 1st basic principle.
C are to elaborate why?

Discussion is welcome.
Posted by: feyhime Feb 6 2008, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 5 2008, 04:32 PM)
actually my words a little confusing, but the point remains. a different girl would want different
attributes, you bang her with something else it wont work.
on the issue of self esteem and independence, its towards the girls preference i have no idea about it.
you said a reason yourself, if she thinks she aint good enough and lower her standards its something
possible also or they have had enough with alpha males. what ever the case that aint the point im
trying to make.
Hmm interesting. I guess you could also say that different girls have different coping mechanism. I
am going to generalize a little now since it's going to be pretty hard to explain without doing so. Just note
that it's a case to case basic and not everyone is as mentioned as below.
Generalizing for easy explanation:
We assume an alpha male/female are those who has what it takes to choose the card they want to play.
And these are people who are natural leaders, with high intellect, succeed in almost everything they do,
etc. with an ego to boost. Alpha male/female all has ego, it's only a matter whether they sit on it or wear
it on their sleeves. Either way, it almost always shows in decision making, which is an important part
of a relationship.
Now, we all can come to conclusion that generally, everyone will prefer an alpha male/female. So when
do they become undesirable?
Let's pair alpha male with alpha female. It looks like a very matching couple. But.. let's go to decision
making. Assuming that they are both equally capable in decision making, it will be a problem when
disagreement occur. Who will be the one making the decision and who will have to swallow their ego and
tolerate the loss? It might looks like a small thing, but on the general, almost all alpha male/female are
very capable in making decision and will not take it easy on other people trying to tell them otherwise.
These are people who are comfortable being leader, however usually there can only be one leader
(dominant partner) in a relationship. This is when an alpha male or female become undesirable partner.
I am sure there are cases where compromises are made for a pair of alpha couple to stand together, but
even that is a very tiring relationship to maintain. The amount of tolerance and acceptance will slowly kill
the flame.
So, even an alpha female might ditch an alpha male and go for a another male as her partner, someone
she can assert dominance over and of course the guy must also be able to tolerate her dominance.
QUOTE(feyhime @ Feb 6 2008, 10:04 PM)
Hmm interesting. I guess you could also say that different girls have different coping mechanism. I
am going to generalize a little now since it's going to be pretty hard to explain without doing so. Just
note that it's a case to case basic and not everyone is as mentioned as below.
Generalizing for easy explanation:
We assume an alpha male/female are those who has what it takes to choose the card they want to
play. And these are people who are natural leaders, with high intellect, succeed in almost everything
they do, etc. with an ego to boost. Alpha male/female all has ego, it's only a matter whether they sit
on it or wear it on their sleeves. Either way, it almost always shows in decision making, which is an
important part of a relationship.
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Now, we all can come to conclusion that generally,

everyone will prefer an alpha male/female. So when
do they become undesirable?
Let's pair alpha male with alpha female. It looks like a very matching couple. But.. let's go to decision
making. Assuming that they are both equally capable in decision making, it will be a problem when
disagreement occur. Who will be the one making the decision and who will have to swallow their ego
and tolerate the loss? It might looks like a small thing, but on the general, almost all alpha
male/female are very capable in making decision and will not take it easy on other people trying to tell
them otherwise. These are people who are comfortable being leader, however usually there can only
be one leader (dominant partner) in a relationship. This is when an alpha male or female become
undesirable partner.
I am sure there are cases where compromises are made for a pair of alpha couple to stand together,
but even that is a very tiring relationship to maintain. The amount of tolerance and acceptance will
slowly kill the flame.
So, even an alpha female might ditch an alpha male and go for a another male as her partner,
someone she can assert dominance over and of course the guy must also be able to tolerate her
dominance.
I never mentioned anything about an alpha female.
IMO:
guys are judged mainly by their social dominance (alpha males are more attractive to females)
girls are judged mainly by their physical beauty. (guys, dont you
agree?). For girls, social dominance is often irrelevant - although
pretty girls generally have greater self esteem and thus social
dominance.
You can be a uber l33t alpha woman --> if you are as ugly as fvck, good luck trying to find a desirable
hot stud (alpha male, socially dominant) as they would all be taken by the beautiful girls.
Attractive alpha women have no problem finding partners.

Unattractive alpha women stand a good chance of staying single till their 30s... unlucky ones never find a
partner..until it's too late, they realize they are in their 40s and give up.
The single career lady cum alpha woman in urban societies has almost become cliche.
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I never mentioned anything about an alpha female.

IMO:
guys are judged mainly by their social dominance (alpha males are more attractive to females)
girls are judged mainly by their physical beauty. (guys, dont you
agree?). For girls, social dominance is often irrelevant - although
pretty girls generally have greater self esteem and thus social
dominance.
You can be a uber l33t alpha woman --> if you are as ugly as fvck, good luck trying to find a desirable
hot stud (alpha male, socially dominant) as they would all be taken by the beautiful girls.
Attractive alpha women have no problem finding partners.
Unattractive alpha women stand a good chance of staying single till their 30s... unlucky ones never
find a partner..until it's too late, they realize they are in their 40s and give up.
The single career lady cum alpha woman in urban societies has almost become cliche.
arara~ I think you misunderstood my post ^^;

It's only a example situation on why some women might go for a non alpha male (and vice versa - I
could say the same if you are an alpha male that look like you climb out of a garbage bin all the time,
good luck finding a hot chick, no?) (and it's easier to use an alpha male & female). I am not talking
about a butt ugly alpha woman (I don't even remember saying that anywhere in my post?). By alpha
woman, I will generally assume they are pretty, have social dominance and is also capable in life.
Simple as that.
I was under the impression we are sharing thoughts, apparently you are not doing pretty well accepting
them? (or if you simply misunderstood my post, then my apology as well)

part misunderstanding, part genuine disagreement.
i agree with most of your post except for the bolded point above.
Ladies generally want a socially dominant partner.

Guys generally want a pretty girl --> social dominance simply isnt one of the criteria most guys judge
girls by.
The shy girl who is pretty gets more admirers than the alpha female who is just "so so" (average
looks).
QUOTE
By alpha woman, I will generally assume they are

pretty, have social dominance and is also

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capable in life. Simple as that.
If that is your definition of alpha woman, then i agree with you wholeheartedly.
I was trying to say that not all alpha women are pretty, and since they are choosy ("choosing cards" so
to speak) they end up setting too high a standard for themselves...
They are the girls who go around telling the world stuff like "oh i dont need a man". "Why should i get
attached so young..." (even if they are in their late 20s).
They give themselves excuses until they reach a stage where what beauty they had fades away. So
there is a group of 40+ working career women, well educated, "Alpha females", who are still single.
It's fine if you are an attractive alpha female. Attractive alpha females get dealt good cards and can
make choices that make them feel good.
Unattractive alpha females get dealt the not so good cards and hence choose to stay single as they
wouldnt swallow their pride and set their standard lower.
Also note that few women would date a man who earns less and is less intellectual than her. So the
higher up the ladder you are as an alpha female, the fewer cards would be dealt to you.
part misunderstanding, part genuine disagreement.

i agree with most of your post except for the bolded point above.
Ladies generally want a socially dominant partner.
Guys generally want a pretty girl --> social dominance simply isnt one of the criteria most guys judge
girls by.
well, not really.......

lets see this, what are the requirements of a socially dominant person?
able to lead the group?
being intellectual ?
able to communicate very well?
well feel free to add on as it goes anyway, but what ive seen happen at times is that the socially
dominant male in the group doesn't get the chiqs. actually there are other factors, one instance is this
story. lets just say X and Y
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X - popular, has friends all around. somewhat huge in size, fetches girls, hangs with them and what not.
dominates the topics in the group, better dressed
Y - stoner, quiet, lean and thin, not very well dressed, doesnt communicate much in the group. has a
small number of friends.
on the basis on that generalization X should get her, but instead Y did. and this is a true story that i
believe you have seen it happen before.
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 7 2008, 12:59 A M)
well, not really.......

lets see this, what are the requirements of a socially dominant person?
able to lead the group?
being intellectual ?
able to communicate very well?
well feel free to add on as it goes anyway, but what ive seen happen at times is that the socially
dominant male in the group doesn't get the chiqs. actually there are other factors, one instance is this
story. lets just say X and Y
X - popular, has friends all around. somewhat huge in size, fetches girls, hangs with them and what
not. dominates the topics in the group, better dressed
Y - stoner, quiet, lean and thin, not very well dressed, doesnt communicate much in the group. has a
small number of friends.
on the basis on that generalization X should get her, but instead Y did. and this is a true story that i
believe you have seen it happen before.
It tends to be the exception rather than the norm. Y doesnt have much choice of ladies, but if the right
lady comes along and admires his characteristics, then yes, love will blossom.
There is a reason why i included a link to http://ezralimm.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008-buildingmystery.html in the first post during the introduction.
Sarah McLachlan's song summarizes it nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AFDHia51Do
The guy is mysterious. a loner.

But still, he is not the effiminate "nice guy" wuss that turns girls off. He is a recluse, but still dominant in
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his own unique way. SO independant he doesnt need the encouragement of others.
I have to say, you brought up a very good point. Will include it in the FAQ section soon.
W00t. girls are complex creatures, but i guess im starting to understand them now.
It tends to be the exception rather than the norm. Y doesnt have much choice of ladies, but if the right
lady comes along and admires his characteristics, then yes, love will blossom.
There is a reason why i included a link to http://ezralimm.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008-buildingmystery.html in the first post during the introduction.
Sarah McLachlan's song summarizes it nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AFDHia51Do
The guy is mysterious. a loner.
But still, he is not the effiminate "nice guy" wuss that turns girls off. He is a recluse, but still dominant
in his own unique way. SO independant he doesnt need the encouragement of others.
W00t. girls are complex creatures, but i guess im starting to understand them now.
well, you do see it often really and knowing X he aint someone with the ladies. but he does fulfill the
generalized criteria really, ive also seen that the most popular dude might not be the ladies dude. he can
be funny, can make the whole class laugh, super confidant and what not but he doesnt go well.
this guy fits everything you throw at him under social dominance. he reads books far advanced then
anyone else, knows more things then anyone else can speak fluently in 3 totally different languages but
no he aint with the chicks.
for waht that matters, ya females are weird creatures. i couuld never understand them
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 7 2008, 01:33 A M)
well, you do see it often really and knowing X he aint someone with the ladies. but he does fulfill the
generalized criteria really, ive also seen that the most popular dude might not be the ladies dude. he
can be funny, can make the whole class laugh, super confidant and what not but he doesnt go well.
this guy fits everything you throw at him under social dominance. he reads books far advanced then
anyone else, knows more things then anyone else can speak fluently in 3 totally different languages
but no he aint with the chicks.
for waht that matters, ya females are weird creatures. i couuld never understand them
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wait a sec. I believe you hv confused social dominance with popularity.
Achieving social dominance doesnt mean attracting all the attention or becoming the class joker.
A person with social dominance is not necessarily a loud outgoing person. Think the quiet respected
team leader. Or the charismatic firebrand. They are both leaders.
Think the quiet respected head prefect (not all head prefects are fiery speakers ya know). Doesnt say
much but when he opens his mouth people will listen.
It's all about respect.
Too much desire for attention is a bad thing too. Just because a guy is an attention grabbing sociopath
doesnt make him an alpha male.
Posted by: akira de aimbuster Feb 7 2008, 01:51 AM

What for a bunch of guys here debate about what girls want while themselves also dont know what
they really want.
Posted by: mumeichan Feb 7 2008, 04:07 AM

From the begining of literature(and I believe from the beginning of mankind), these stuff has been
addressed countless times, endlessly. The world isn't tired of it and will never be. You too will never be
truly tired of it unless you cease to be part of this world.
Posted by: eXPeri3nc3 Feb 7 2008, 04:13 AM
QUOTE(mumeichan @ Feb 7 2008, 04:07 A M)
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addressed countless times, endlessly. The world isn't tired of it and will never be. You too will never be
truly tired of it unless you cease to be part of this world.
That's a bit... err...
QUOTE(mumeichan @ Feb 7 2008, 04:07 A M)
addressed countless times, endlessly.
The world isn't tired of it and will
never be. You too will never be truly tired of it unless you cease to be part of this world.
Hence the brilliance of starting such a thread in C upid's C orner.
but to be fair, many dating guides arent as frank on the issue of why being a "nice guy" just doesnt cut
it....and they downplay the roles of social dominance too much to be politically correct and not offend
anyone.
Hence the brilliance of starting such a thread in C upid's C orner.

but to be fair, many dating guides arent as frank on the issue of why being a "nice guy" just doesnt cut
it....and they downplay the roles of social dominance too much to be politically correct and not offend
anyone.
tat's becuz they discourage 455 holes...
and i think u guys generalize 2 extremely... and sincere gals
don like to be judge by their looks...

there are juz 2 many type of gals which can build a tree diagram juz to elaborate it... and at some point
it might be a lil offending to some...

Any Puas around , hope we can exchange knowledge more .
Posted by: J_pandapuppet Feb 9 2008, 12:18 AM
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We want a true gentlement
be yourself and listen to our heart
Posted by: kaikeikan Feb 9 2008, 02:57 AM

I didn't go through the whole thread but it seems like thread starter was talking about what women
want from men generally.
Such topics will always attract some people who wish to debate on exception or special cases,hope
you well,thread starter.
I once saw a thread in Girls C lub on how the poll results(such as,would you have pre-marital sex or
condom on or without) in Girls C lub are misleading but it seems that there are good gentlemen out
there to support and at the same time males who actually flamed and said malaysian girls are not
open-minded.
That's why i've always avoided arguing on such topics.
Anyway,there's no such thing to argue where,human alone,regardless of their gender is complex.
Errr...i think i fall under the "girls want money from men" catergory,but never will i try to use sex
appeal to get something out of males,that makes me sick and i believe it's an act of degrading
women.Sometimes pride really does matter.
I dont' know what i'm saying anymore,it's already so late now
Posted by: akira de aimbuster Feb 9 2008, 03:08 AM

I told you they dont even know what they wan, it's impossible and useless for us guys to guess it
QUOTE(kaikeikan @ Feb 9 2008, 02:57 A M)
Errr...i think i fall under the "girls want money from men" catergory,but never will i try to use sex
appeal to get something out of males,that makes me sick and i believe it's an act of degrading
women.Sometimes pride really does matter.
I dont' know what i'm saying anymore,it's already so late now
Your decision not to use sex appeal for favors from guys is good and dignified
This thread is not about the use/abuse of sex appeal.
This thread is about reality: If you have alot of physical attractiveness / sex appeal, guys would be nicer
to you in general, and you would have a wider selection of guys / admirers. Hence, an attractive girl can
be picky and correctly turn down/ignore courtship attempt from guys.
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I agree that the thread has been beaten about the bush quite abit. I guess going into specifics is
unavoidable.
As a lady, your feedback on the first post is much appreciated. Comments are welcome.
C heers.
Why i wrote this article (first post).

Im just a simple guy who's fed up of hearing:

1) Guys whining about how they are ignored by the girls they are after... even though they
were "nice". (read: effiminate, but they didnt know)
3) Girls who keep on telling guys that they are looking for some one "nice", "sweet" or
"caring". It is not wrong, but tt's not even half the truth.
QUOTE(akira de aimbuster @ Feb 7 2008, 01:51 A M)
What for a bunch of guys here debate about what girls want while themselves also dont know
what they really want.
The article is based on observation and personal experience.
...and is intended to clear up some very common misconceptions about what girls look for in guys. (eg.
it's all about the money lah... bla bla bla)
It is also intended to help some guys face the reality that THEY HAVE TO BE ATTRAC TIVE THEMSELVES
to get the girl they are after.
and the criteria as outlined in the basic 8 principles are almost never mentioned by women. Women
would say stuff like "erm.. i wanna feel secure/safe"... very vague compared to what i put in point form.
Girls seem to agree.
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Posted by: kaikeikan Feb 9 2008, 12:23 PM

ezralimm , man i like you! Actually generally yes women do love money and glamour(who doesn't)
and i don't know if it's fair to say guys keep whining about how girls are only after money because
girls are also whining about how guys like only attractive/sexy girls. However the actual fact is,even
with such material concept of mine i can still end up with someone extremely average and those guys
may marry some girl-next-door one day.It's really about dreams of princess-want-to-meet-prince
and price-want-to-meet-beautiful-damsel-in-distress.
Thanks for complimenting that i'm dignified.Well,to certain extent i am but sometimes i'm not haha.
Like if the guy blindly gives me despite my refusal i'll still take(i'm talking about petty stuff not some
diamond or gold accessories)
But when i see some girl,who's decent looking enough but got together with a not-so-good-looking bf
who's willing to shower her with gifts i got soooooooooo sick
. The problem is she doesn't even
love that guy and refused to kiss that guy on lips upon his request but still able to get gifts around
RM700 not to mention the random meals+movies+++ . I was like,if you wanna be cheap,abide the
give and take rule!! Unless you are jessica alba,her company alone worths million.
When i see cases like a rich boy who just want flings and always willing to spend with an attractive
girl who's willing give in while enjoy all the material stuff,i can see that game rules are understood,no
one's getting hurt and both will go separate ways happily then.To some extent,this is acceptable to
me,give(boy:material ,girl:sex appeal) and take (boy:girls girls girls, girl:money+glamour) rule is
followed and let the good game rolls!
QUOTE(kaikeikan @ Feb 9 2008, 01:23 PM)
When i see cases like a rich boy who just want flings and always willing to spend with an attractive girl
who's willing give in while enjoy all the material stuff,i can see that game rules are understood,no
one's getting hurt and both will go separate ways happily then.To some extent,this is acceptable to
me,give(boy:material ,girl:sex appeal) and take (boy:girls girls girls, girl:money+glamour) rule is
followed and let the good game rolls!
yeah... tat's the case these days... but i don think gals like guys who go for 2 many gals gals gals...
Posted by: billytong Feb 9 2008, 01:47 PM
ezralimm , man i like you! Actually generally yes women do love money and glamour(who doesn't)
and i don't know if it's fair to say guys keep whining about how girls are only after money because
girls are also whining about how guys like only attractive/sexy girls. However the actual fact is,even
with such material concept of mine i can still end up with someone extremely average and those guys
may marry some girl-next-door one day.It's really about dreams of princess-want-to-meet-prince and
price-want-to-meet-beautiful-damsel-in-distress.
Thanks for complimenting that i'm dignified.Well,to certain extent i am but sometimes i'm not haha.
Like if the guy blindly gives me despite my refusal i'll still take(i'm talking about petty stuff not some
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diamond or gold accessories)
But when i see some girl,who's decent looking enough but got together with a not-so-good-looking bf
who's willing to shower her with gifts i got soooooooooo sick
. The problem is she doesn't even
love that guy and refused to kiss that guy on lips upon his request but still able to get gifts around
RM700 not to mention the random meals+movies+++ . I was like,if you wanna be cheap,abide the
give and take rule!! Unless you are jessica alba,her company alone worths million.
When i see cases like a rich boy who just want flings and always willing to spend with an attractive girl
who's willing give in while enjoy all the material stuff,i can see that game rules are understood,no
one's getting hurt and both will go separate ways happily then.To some extent,this is acceptable
to me,give(boy:material ,girl:sex appeal) and take (boy:girls girls girls,
girl:money+glamour) rule is followed and let the good game rolls!
Well in short, it is all about business/investment, girls are trading their innocent, sex appeal, lust for
handsome, personality, or security or anything else(depends on individual needs) for guy's money,
gentlemen, or may be cars?
If a guy have the money or something else, he would buy things(Invest, I define it) the gal likes most in
exchange of something what he is looking for from the gal.
So basically money can almost fullfill most of the wishes. Hence most guys think gals is looking for
money. Because Nice gals who dont look for money directly are looking for something that cost money
to fulfill. In the end it is still money.

hmmm, cool mates
one thing i like to ask. whats your definition of a nice guy?
cause for the most part i see nice guys being stereotyped as stalker kinds, super obsessive dudes.
C oudn't make a better definition myself, perhaps nice guy is a typical person that lend a shoulder for
his girl friend to cry on, offer helps all the time and etc. Yea they maybe one insecure f***s.
Never see myself one, I sometimes enjoy being a prick.
from wat i see... most people label nerds as nice guys...
actually nice guys usually let their loved 1's free and hope for her happiness and well-being... but end
up the gal suffer...
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from wat i see... most people label nerds as nice guys...

actually nice guys usually let their loved 1's free and hope for her happiness and well-being... but end
up the gal suffer...
That's because most people have the mental picture that a nerd is someone with books, thick glasses
and a willingness to be bullied into doing homework, assignments and showering these so-called hot
babes with gifts. Now tell me, if you are a girl, how isn't that NIC E?!
Personally, as a nerd, we are nice guys
That's because most people have the mental picture that a nerd is someone with books, thick glasses
and a willingness to be bullied into doing homework, assignments and showering these so-called hot
babes with gifts. Now tell me, if you are a girl, how isn't that NIC E?!
Personally, as a nerd, we are nice guys
personally i'm kinda nerdy as well but i ain't tat nice...
not all nerds are nice... watch B3ta house then
u know...
QUOTE(MrPoh123 @ Feb 9 2008, 08:58 PM)
DAMN THIS THREAD IS SO TRUE!

all those emo/despo people read this la. all kind of pointless thread like:why she reject me/ i confess but she duwan/ how to confess to the girl next door/ i dont dare talk to
her/ why she duwan talk to me after i confess
thread fan spotted... congrats erza...
Posted by: billytong Feb 10 2008, 09:02 AM
QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 9 2008, 02:42 PM)
hmmm, cool mates

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one thing i like to ask. whats your definition of a nice guy?

cause for the most part i see nice guys being stereotyped as stalker kinds, super obsessive dudes.
Nice guys is the one that stand infront of woman and protect them,yes my fist & muscle is bigger than
yours, and of cos do the things that woman cant do at all but not doing/helping things that woman do
themselves.
QUOTE(billytong @ Feb 10 2008, 10:02 A M)
themselves.
man... ur definition of nice guy is so diff than wat gals think these days...

gal punye nice can mean anything. most of the time, it means "NOT YOU, SORRY"
QUOTE(billytong @ Feb 10 2008, 09:02 A M)
themselves.
Girls would usually say that they feel "safe" or "secure" with guys like that.
Regarding The Term "Nice Guy"
This term is often used by girls to describe guys who are likeable and sociable. However, girls who do
not wish to pursue a relationship with an UNATTRAC TIVE guy would also use the term to soften the blow
of telling him it's over. Hence the negative stigma over the term.
Imagine you are a guy going out with a girl with a charming personality. It's just that you dont find her
SEXUALLY attractive and you think you can do better. Of course, you're NOT going to say "YOU ARE
UGLY" to her face. Most likely, you would want to remain friends but you have to let her know that you
are not SEXUALLY INTERESTED in her. Thus, you tell her that you really like her as a friend and that she
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has a cheerful personality and whatnot.

Imagine you are a girl going out with a guy with a charming personality. It's just that you dont find him
SEXUALLY attractive and you think you can do better. Of course, you're NOT going to say "YOU ARE AN
EFFEMINATE PUSSIFIED NERDY WUSS" to his face. Most likely, you would want to remain friends but you
have to let him know that you are not SEXUALLY INTERESTED in him. Thus, you tell him that you really
like him as a friend and that he is a "nice guy".
Thus, what vey99 is saying is quite true:

QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 10 2008, 09:21 A M)
gal punye nice can mean anything. most of the time, it means "NOT YOU, SORRY"
tat's becuz they discourage 455 holes...
and i think u guys generalize 2 extremely... and sincere
gals don like to be judge by their looks...
455 holes?
"Sincere" gals who often bring up this issue are probably jealous of all the pretty girls getting the best
selection of guys. It's not surprise that they tend to downplay the importance of looks. Well, a girl could
have the nicest sweetest personality but if she is as ugly as fvck, she would have less guys to choose
from compared to a pretty girl with an average/so-so personality.
Ultimately, i do agree that we shouldnt judge people by their looks alone... but to downplay the
importance of looks in getting noticed by men is just wrong and insincere.
I also notice that less attractive girls usually bring up the idea that we "shouldnt judge people by their
looks". The pretty ones dont want to be judged solely by their looks either... but they have so many
admirers to choose from they dont have to really worry about that - they can take their time and choose
the right guy whom they feel they are comfortable with.
ezralimm , man i like you!

...
I'll PM you the website of my fanclub.
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Posted by: Fatimus Feb 10 2008, 11:41 AM
Ultimately, i do agree that we shouldnt judge people by their looks alone... but to downplay the
importance of looks in getting noticed by men is just lying to oneself.
Fixed for more accuracy.XD
455 holes?
"Sincere" gals who often bring up this issue are probably jealous of all the pretty girls getting the best
selection of guys. It's not surprise that they tend to downplay the importance of looks. Well, a girl
could have the nicest sweetest personality but if she is as ugly as fvck, she would have less guys to
choose from compared to a pretty girl with an average/so-so personality.
Ultimately, i do agree that we shouldnt judge people by their looks alone... but to downplay
the importance of looks in getting noticed by men is just wrong and insincere.
I also notice that less attractive girls usually bring up the idea that we "shouldnt judge people by their
looks". The pretty ones dont want to be judged solely by their looks either... but they have so many
admirers to choose from they dont have to really worry about that - they can take their time and
choose the right guy whom they feel they are comfortable with.
4=A
5=S
it's l33t language based writing...
good explanation...
u can be a psychologist...
are u doing some sort of social studies...?

The Game and Venusian art.
Posted by: billytong Feb 11 2008, 03:15 PM
Girls would usually say that they feel "safe" or "secure" with guys like that.
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well I am point out thatnice guys are not doormat type which most lonely guys think. You do not have to
be doormat to get the woman u want. A little dominant + com with charming is the best weapon you
have.
Posted by: al3xa_piggy Feb 11 2008, 03:16 PM

i wan a guy to love me as much as i love him XD
loyal and love me...is the best XD
QUOTE(billytong @ Feb 11 2008, 03:15 PM)
well I am point out thatnice guys are not doormat type which most lonely guys think. You do not have
to be doormat to get the woman u want. A little dominant + com with charming is the best
weapon you have.
Yup, that's about right.
QUOTE(al3xa_piggy @ Feb 11 2008, 03:16 PM)
i wan a guy to love me as much as i love him XD

loyal and love me...is the best XD
So that means that you have to love a guy first then only look and see if he loves you and is loyal rite?
What if the guy who confesses he loves you is your "best friend" to whom you are not sexually attracted
to at all?

Timing is everything. You need to like each other at the right time. But best friend status is already
"overshot", IMHO. Once you reach there, it may be vey difficult to be a Partner.
QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 12 2008, 03:37 PM)
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Timing is everything. You need to like each other at the right time. But best friend status is already
"overshot", IMHO. Once you reach there, it may be vey difficult to be a Partner.
LOL, for once I agree with your statement. Too long before asking her out, she may have classified you
as a friend and too short a time, not sure @ not ready.
Posted by: al3xa_piggy Feb 12 2008, 11:38 PM
So that means that you have to love a guy first then only look and see if he loves you and is loyal
rite?
What if the guy who confesses he loves you is your "best friend" to whom you are not sexually
attracted to at all?
yupz..that's y i got rejected a lot of times coz they dun like me...
i dun have a best fren, but i have a fren likes me since 5 years ago >.<
he's been asking me to go out with him..
but i still avoid him...
coz no feelings for him T_T
That's quite a quandry.
The guys want beautiful girls...
THe girls want dominant guys...
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But even the not-so-beautiful girls want the dominant guys..
and the not-so-dominant guys want the beutiful girls...
C ould that be the cause of much "singleness" in our society?
Posted by: wwlai87 Feb 13 2008, 04:45 PM
u are cruel...
oops, sorry that i didn't intro myself... i'm WW..
heard of ur name on the other side of the thread..
Posted by: feyhime Feb 13 2008, 04:46 PM
That's quite a quandry.

The guys want beautiful girls...
THe girls want dominant guys...
But even the not-so-beautiful girls want the dominant guys..
and the not-so-dominant guys want the beutiful girls...
C ould that be the cause of much "singleness" in our society?
Hahhaahaha
Well it's always more 'fun' trying to pursue something with a higher level of difficulty XD
Posted by: tesla34 Feb 13 2008, 06:07 PM

i think i have been showing too much care
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damn... human expectations...
Posted by: cywings Feb 14 2008, 07:57 AM
QUOTE(tesla34 @ Feb 13 2008, 06:07 PM)
i think i have been showing too much care
that makes the both of us

Good to see ppl relating to the issues brought up in this thread.
Good to see ppl relating to the issues brought up in this thread.
haih... hope ur efforts will not go in vain... i find many still dowan to accept this thread...

It's normal, I myself in denial when my bro lended me Neil Strauss' The Game.
Why suddenly no action already?
*bumping it up before it disappears to page 2*
Posted by: Duke Red Feb 15 2008, 12:38 PM
Has anyone stopped to wonder why people deemed as 'players' still get the girls despite their
reputation? It's because these carefree souls are fun to be with. A large number of guys are either
too serious or boring. In spite of what they say, many girls do like 'players' and take it upon
themselves to tame the 'player' and domesticate him because if you can do that, he's really a very
nice guy!
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 15 2008, 01:38 PM)
Has anyone stopped to wonder why people deemed as 'players' still get the girls despite their
reputation? It's because these carefree souls are fun to be with. A large number of guys are either too
serious or boring. In spite of what they say, many girls do like 'players' and take it upon themselves to
tame the 'player' and domesticate him because if you can do that, he's really a very nice guy!
jealous ar... more details pls...
Posted by: Goliath764 Feb 15 2008, 04:04 PM

Nice reading, can understand a lot of thing here.
jealous ar... more details pls...
Well from my experience while girls generally feel more secure with guys who are ambitious and stable,
they do also need some uncertainty in their lives? A contradiction, no? They need some excitement and
fun. It is nice to have things your way and have people be nice to you all the time but it can also get
BORING! This is not to suggest that girls like guys who are mean all the time. They generally like guys
who are strong willed and have a mind of their own. They generally respect guys who take control of
situations and not bow to every whim of theirs or sway which way the wind blows. Like anyone else, they
also want to have fun and if you show them a good time, they will always want to be with you. Being
safe, boring and monotonous are sure ways to increase the competition. If she doesn't enjoy being with
you, rest assured she'll look elsewhere. Many people make the mistake of thinking that the more you do
things for her and say yes to her, the better you are doing. More often than not, this isn't the case.
Everyone likes doormats, you can scrub dirt of your shoes with them, but no one respects a doormat.
You have to be someone she can look up to because when times are tough, she has to know you have to
strength to give her the support she needs.
You may think that by saying 'no' to her, you face the prospect of losing her because she'll go and find
herself a yes man but this isn't necessarily the case. Keep in mind that while she may not like you for
saying that, she will eventually come to respect you for it. Be a man, not a doormat.
Well from my experience while girls generally feel more secure with guys who are ambitious and
stable, they do also need some uncertainty in their lives? A contradiction, no? They need some
excitement and fun. It is nice to have things your way and have people be nice to you all the time but
it can also get BORING! This is not to suggest that girls like guys who are mean all the time. They
generally like guys who are strong willed and have a mind of their own. They generally respect guys
who take control of situations and not bow to every whim of theirs or sway which way the wind blows.
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Like anyone else, they also want to have fun and if you show them a good time, they will always want
to be with you. Being safe, boring and monotonous are sure ways to increase the competition. If she
doesn't enjoy being with you, rest assured she'll look elsewhere. Many people make the mistake of
thinking that the more you do things for her and say yes to her, the better you are doing. More often
than not, this isn't the case. Everyone likes doormats, you can scrub dirt of your shoes with them, but
no one respects a doormat. You have to be someone she can look up to because when times are
tough, she has to know you have to strength to give her the support she needs.
i thought TS already sum it up, girls like guys who are dominant, if the guy are funny of perhaps fun to
be with doesn't necessary get the chicks, cheers
Well from my experience while girls generally feel more secure with guys who are ambitious and
stable, they do also need some uncertainty in their lives? A contradiction, no? They need some
excitement and fun. It is nice to have things your way and have people be nice to you all the time but
it can also get BORING! This is not to suggest that girls like guys who are mean all the time. They
generally like guys who are strong willed and have a mind of their own. They generally respect guys
who take control of situations and not bow to every whim of theirs or sway which way the wind blows.
Like anyone else, they also want to have fun and if you show them a good time, they will always want
to be with you. Being safe, boring and monotonous are sure ways to increase the competition. If she
doesn't enjoy being with you, rest assured she'll look elsewhere. Many people make the mistake of
thinking that the more you do things for her and say yes to her, the better you are doing. More often
than not, this isn't the case. Everyone likes doormats, you can scrub dirt of your shoes with them, but
no one respects a doormat. You have to be someone she can look up to because when times are
tough, she has to know you have to strength to give her the support she needs.
ooo... so tat's wat u mean... but juz generally i find the "bad guys" not really strong... they tend to run
away from problems...
i thought TS already sum it up, girls like guys who are dominant, if the guy are funny of perhaps fun to
be with doesn't necessary get the chicks, cheers
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Well time to close the thread then.

Thread is pending completion. Yup, there is still abit more i wanna write about.
Waiting for some relevant true stories to pop up on C upid's C orner.
I've been busy moving back into my room at Uni these past few days, and will be quite busy
volunteering during orientation week. Will reply properly when i have the time.
Posted by: jianee89 Feb 16 2008, 06:50 PM
HI, TS do u pickup girls and do venusian arts?
Posted by: cyloh Feb 17 2008, 04:18 AM
.
Posted by: briggs Feb 17 2008, 10:08 AM
You summed up women perfectly(even though they might not admit it). Well Done!
Posted by: parsona Feb 18 2008, 03:11 PM
Ladder theory and other theories similar to that have long been known by a small population of
males, but kudos to TS for identifying real-world examples found in LYN that actually shows the
theory is valid! I'm guessing you are as successful as Edison since you understand the theory very
well hehe.
I've a question tho, does the theory only apply when u're trying to get a girl into bed/ get a girl to be
your gf, or must u apply that theory throughout the relationship even after you have coupled/married
the girl so the girl wont lose interest in you? E.g must you still appear to be aloof, still keep some
mysteries, and sometimes show a slight disinterested attitude?
QUOTE(parsona @ Feb 18 2008, 03:11 PM)
Ladder theory and other theories similar to that have long been known by a small population of males,
but kudos to TS for identifying real-world examples found in LYN that actually shows the theory is
valid! I'm guessing you are as successful as Edison since you understand the theory very well hehe.
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to know the theory is simple, but to maintain it is another thing

O-week is ending soon. Will get down to update the thread hopefully sometime next week.
QUOTE(jianee89 @ Feb 16 2008, 06:50 PM)
HI, TS do u pickup girls and do venusian arts?
No, im a good boy.
QUOTE(briggs @ Feb 17 2008, 10:08 A M)
You summed up women perfectly(even though they might not admit it). Well Done!
Thanks for the compliment
QUOTE(parsona @ Feb 18 2008, 03:11 PM)
Ladder theory and other theories similar to that have long been known by a small population of males,
but kudos to TS for identifying real-world examples found in LYN that actually shows the theory is
valid! I'm guessing you are as successful as Edison since you understand the theory very well hehe.
The principles are universal to generating sexual interest from women. It does not matter if she is your
wife, girlfriend, fiancee or lala-girl.
I abstain from passing moral judgment on people. I believe these principles represent simple truths of
human nature. You could use it to fool/play around OR you could use it to get a serious relationship OR
even to enhance your marraige - it's up to you.
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Posted by: Amoureuse Feb 21 2008, 04:09 PM

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
Hot
Good body
Good in the sack
Nice
Funny
Intelligent
NB: The first 2, is so that they can be envied by other girls.

QUOTE(A moureuse @ Feb 21 2008, 04:09 PM)
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
Hot
Good body
Good in the sack
Nice
Funny
Intelligent
this is a spec list for young gals... few years later $$$ will be added...
QUOTE(A moureuse @ Feb 21 2008, 04:09 PM)
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
Hot
Good body
Good in the sack
Nice
Funny
Intelligent
true, girls are just as into hot bodies the way guys are,... but they are not so blunt and open about it
that's all.
Posted by: sparda Mar 4 2008, 04:33 PM

The using of LYN examples to illustrate ur points was hilarious! Gj TS
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Posted by: kmoh4346 Mar 5 2008, 11:03 AM

good job on the principle.. I saw many theads in this section.. and most of them are lacking of basic
principle..
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QUOTE(landak @ Jan 31 2008, 12:01 A M)
Understanding women
In the world of romance, one single rule applies to the men: Make the
woman happy. Do something she likes, and you get points. Do something
she
dislikes and points are subtracted.
You don't get any points for doing something she expects. Sorry, that's
the way the game is played.
Here is a guide to the point system:
SIMPLE DUTIES
You make the bed (+1)
You make the bed, but forget the decorative pillow (0)
You throw the bedspread over rumpled sheets (-1)
You go out to buy her what she wants (+5) In the rain (+8) But return
with Beer (-5)
You check out a suspicious noise at night (0)
You check out a suspicious noise, and it is nothing (0)
It's her pet (-10)
SOC IAL ENGAGEMENTS
You stay by her side the entire party (0)
You stay by her side for a while, then leave to chat with a college
buddy
(-2) Named Judy (-4)
Judy is a dancer (-6)
Judy has silicon implants (-80)
HER BIRTHDAY
You take her out to dinner (0)
You take her out to dinner and it's not a sports bar (+1)
Okay, it's a sports bar (-2)
And it's all-you-can-eat night (-3)
It's a sports bar, it's all-you-can-eat night, and your face is painted
the
colours of your favourite team (-10)
A NIGHT OUT
You take her to a movie (+2)
You take her to a movie she likes (+4)
You take her to a movie you hate (+6)
You take her to a movie you like (-2)
It's called 'DeathC op' (-3)
You lied and said it was a foreign film about orphans (-15)
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YOUR PHYSIQUE
You develop a noticeable potbelly (-15)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and exercise to get rid of it (+10)
You develop a noticeable potbelly and resort to baggy jeans and baggy
Hawaiian shirts (-30)
You say, "It doesn't matter, you have one too." (-8000)
ENJOY THE 'BIG' QUESTION
She asks, "Do I look fat?" (-5) [Yes, you LOSE points no matter WHAT]
You hesitate in responding (-10)
You reply, "Where?" (-35)
Any other response (-20)
C OMMUNIC ATION
When she wants to talk about a problem , you listen, displaying what
looks
like a concerned _expression (0)
You listen, for over 30 minutes (+50)
You listen for more than 30 minutes without looking at the TV (+500)
She realizes this is because you have fallen asleep (-10000)
Now what chance do you have???
Haha is this some sort of demerits point.. ahha
Posted by: SeeD Mar 5 2008, 10:20 PM

Oh noz, some girls said in the first post that they don't want a guy to get lost while driving ...
OMFG I'm super pro in that ... XD
Posted by: Canopies Mar 6 2008, 01:55 PM
shit nobodies knows the game ? mm ???
Posted by: sayming Mar 19 2008, 01:38 AM
Just bumped into this today.
I think it's a very good read. Highly related to me too... in a negative way sadly =P
Posted by: GroundMan Mar 19 2008, 03:47 AM
a girl said im a player... so how? bad or good thing? lol
Posted by: ezralimm Mar 24 2008, 08:41 PM

bump!
Finally updated first post after a looooong lull.

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Posted by: linux2622 Mar 24 2008, 10:46 PM
Totally Agree!
Posted by: bhypp Mar 24 2008, 11:52 PM
bump.....good theory there ezra...but theres no such things as a rule that fits into everything in
life....but as a generalized theory....it totally makes sense.....
anyway dint know u are a fan of C C !! hehe
Posted by: ezralimm Mar 26 2008, 09:53 AM
Thank's for the compliments.
Vey99 posted a relevant story in C C .
Thread updated. See first post.
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QUOTE(sayming @ Mar 19 2008, 01:38 A M)
Just bumped into this today.

I think it's a very good read. Highly related to me too... in a negative way sadly =P
dont feel bad leh... it related to me in a very very negative way not too long ago
people C AN change.
gambatte!
Posted by: Stefanov Mar 26 2008, 10:06 AM

eh?
vey99's friend
don't realize actually he putting explosive within himself ka?
chase 2 girls at one time.
no good.
thanks for the advise, TS
Posted by: Namor Mar 26 2008, 05:51 PM
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haha nice update....

vey99's 'fren' situation... haha so interesting.
Posted by: yngwie Mar 26 2008, 06:46 PM
it depends........
Posted by: t3chn0m4nc3r Mar 26 2008, 07:14 PM
QUOTE(yngwie @ Mar 26 2008, 06:46 PM)
direct answer to your topic;

it depends....
either you're dealing with an angel or a b****.
either way, ability in bed and money does matter!
anything else like love, security and future will be an added advantage...lolz.
pls refer to 1st post b4 posting like tat...
Posted by: sets84 Mar 26 2008, 07:54 PM
It's an excuse worthless men give to themselves. They find something to blame on just to make them
feel better
Btw, TS good thread. About time I see something really worth a read, other than laughing everyday at
the losers who post in here and whine like the world is going to end.
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QUOTE(JS5016 @ Feb 1 2008, 04:08 PM)

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you're in the wrong thread... copy-paste emo excerpts are that way ===>
EDIT : I just realised this post was months old... but still a good read none the less
QUOTE(sets84 @ Mar 26 2008, 07:54 PM)
It's an excuse worthless men give to themselves. They find something to blame on just to make them
feel better
Btw, TS good thread. About time I see something really worth a read, other than laughing
everyday at the losers who post in here and whine like the world is going to end.
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you're in the wrong thread... copy-paste emo excerpts are that way ===>
EDIT : I just realised this post was months old... but still a good read none the less
cheers
Yeah the thread is old... Like fine wine or a good scotch.
Updated: C uddleb**** dilemma.
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Btw, when it started, it had only like 3 basic principles and was very short.
Im constantly adding things to it.
Posted by: gregy Mar 29 2008, 10:27 AM

[quote=ezralimm,Jan 31 2008, 05:08 PM]
You are a guy.
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Hypothetically, that's how the wind blows. In reality, I doubt it. Trust me, I'm a wedding
photographer, have been for the last 7yrs. Not all the pretty girls end up with the rich, handsome
alpha males. And if you think being pretty makes one a great catch, then by all means, but that's just
your prerogative. But pls don't generalise all men to be like that. Sure, a nice bod helps, but in the
end it's how two people relate to each other that matters. Try chemistry. I've shaken my head
countless times how some not so desirable ppl end up with desirable partners (both male or female).
Then I realised that indeed, many couples do not fit into a generic courtship pigeonhole. You'll be
surprised how many instances of the exception rather than the norm occur.
And btw, no two ppl are exactly alike. Not even twins
You are a girl.

You will always go for the more socially dominant one - assuming all other attributes are the same.
In general, assuming ceteris paribus, yea I guess you could say that's how the system works.
However, this is *assuming* that the girl in question has never been in a relationship before. If she
has, (and most attractive girls over 12 in KL probably have), her ideals would shift and refine over
each failed relationship. So in reality, sometimes it's not about being dominant, for some girls may be
put off by the stereotype that being dominant suggests (womanising, two-timing, been around,
whatever).
Now what happens to the not so socially dominant guys? Simple, they end up with the less pretty girls
IN GENERAL - because the pretty girls are all out of their reach and have other more socially
dominant guys chasing them.
You'll be surprised to know that there are women out there who prefer to be the dominant one in a
relationship. I have some friends like that, I've shot couples like that as well. It doesn't always have
to be a male-dominated r'ship, but one of them has to be in charge. If the male relinquishes that
role, and the female relishes it, no problem. There will be trouble in paradise only if a power struggle
occurs.
I know a few friends who played the field when they were younger, but guess what? They didn't
choose the prettiest, hottest bombshells to be their wives. C os many of these guys don't enjoy sloppy
seconds
Ya, this is reality too (as crude as it may sound). When playing the field, they'll seek out
the hottest, but when it comes to settling down, they want the purest.
What I've come to realise, is that in the end, it all comes down to compatibility. If both parties seek
superficiality, then they will connect. If it's honesty, integrity and true love, they will connect too. But
most ppl fall somewhere in between the two extremes.
Let's face it. A guy will only bring a girl home to meet the family if she stirs his loins. It doesn't
necessarily have to be beauty; as long as he digs her.
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A girl will only consider a man if he stirs her emotions yet makes her feel safe. It could be money,
looks, intelligence, sense of humour, a hard bod (or something else that is hard), or a combination of
a few things.
IMHO these are the only two generalisations one could make. Anything else is moot.

Good post
There are interesting points that i will integrate into the article soon.
My replies are in blue.
QUOTE(gregy @ Mar 29 2008, 10:27 A M)
You are a guy.

Hypothetically, that's how the wind blows. In reality, I doubt it. Trust me, I'm a wedding photographer,
have been for the last 7yrs. Not all the pretty girls end up with the rich, handsome alpha males. And if
you think being pretty makes one a great catch, then by all means, but that's just your prerogative.
But pls don't generalise all men to be like that. Sure, a nice bod helps, but in the end it's how two
people relate to each other that matters. Try chemistry. I've shaken my head countless times how
some not so desirable ppl end up with desirable partners (both male or female). Then I realised that
indeed, many couples do not fit into a generic courtship pigeonhole. You'll be surprised how many
instances of the exception rather than the norm occur. And btw, no two ppl are exactly alike. Not even
twins
Note that i mentioned that all other attributes are the same. So say you meet two girls you are JUST
AS culturally/emotionally/spiritually compatible with. One is prettier than the other... You
would definitely go for the prettier one. That's what i was saying. I also mentioned that beauty isnt
everything.
You are a girl.

You will always go for the more socially dominant one - assuming all other attributes are the
same.
In general, assuming ceteris paribus, yea I guess you could say that's how the system works.
However, this is *assuming* that the girl in question has never been in a relationship before. If she
has, (and most attractive girls over 12 in KL probably have), her ideals would shift and refine over
each failed relationship. So in reality, sometimes it's not about being dominant, for some girls may be
put off by the stereotype that being dominant suggests (womanising, two-timing, been around,
whatever).
Hold on a sec. I NEVER mentioned anything about being womanising, two-timing etc. In fact, i even
encouraged guys to take it easy and go after one at a time. What i was doing was EMPHASIZING the
simple fact that girls like guys whom they feel secure around. The rock solid shoulder to cry on, not
the empathetic wuss to cry with.. Keep in mind that it was written for the average emo guy who come
to rant about his breakup on C C ..
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Now what happens to the not so socially dominant guys? Simple, they end up with the less pretty girls
IN GENERAL - because the pretty girls are all out of their reach and have other more socially dominant
guys chasing them.
You'll be surprised to know that there are women out there who prefer to be the dominant one in a
relationship. I have some friends like that, I've shot couples like that as well. It doesn't always have to
be a male-dominated r'ship, but one of them has to be in charge. If the male relinquishes that role,
and the female relishes it, no problem. There will be trouble in paradise only if a power struggle
occurs.
I know a few friends who played the field when they were younger, but guess what? They didn't
choose the prettiest, hottest bombshells to be their wives. C os many of these guys don't enjoy sloppy
seconds
Ya, this is reality too (as crude as it may sound). When playing the field, they'll seek out
the hottest, but when it comes to settling down, they want the purest.
I totally agree. Now, i'll say this again (i said it somewhere in one of the pages replying to someone)..
I will not pass any moral judgment on people. My article is about what girls really want when loooking
for a lover. Social dominance is the male equivalent of female beauty - hence my emphasis on it. You
could use the advice to try and find a fvckbuddy, or a wife, or even a mistress... it doesnt matter.
This is advice on how to "sharpen the knife". You could use the knife to make yourself a nice meal, or
butcher someone. It's up to you.
What I've come to realise, is that in the end, it all comes down to compatibility. If both parties seek
superficiality, then they will connect. If it's honesty, integrity and true love, they will connect too. But
most ppl fall somewhere in between the two extremes.
Im going to integrate above paragraph into the thread when i have the time... Waiting for stories to
pop up.
I notice that if a girl is physically unattractive, she would have few guys to choose from, and those
guys are unlikely to want her..
I notice that if a guy is not socially dominant (whatever your definition of social dominance is), he
would have few girls to choose from, and would eventually have to settle for lower than his initial
expectations in youth as he gets older.
Thus, my article aims to advise guys to work on improving their social dominance... much
like many articles in CLEO advise ladies on how to improve their looks.
Let's face it. A guy will only bring a girl home to meet the family
if she stirs his
loins. It doesn't necessarily have to be beauty; as long as he digs her.
A girl will only consider a man if he stirs her emotions yet makes her feel safe. It could be money,
looks, intelligence, sense of humour, a hard bod (or something else that is hard), or a combination of
a few things.
you said it yourself

Above paragraphs summarize what im trying to say.
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IMHO these are the only two generalisations one could make. Anything else is moot.
Posted by: MrPudujail Mar 29 2008, 11:04 AM

Thx gregy now, and TS b4 this,
I have low self-esteem and kinda clueless abt how to win this girls' heart.
I have a crush. A freaking HUGE one.
However I am a freaking klown, but not so socially dominant one.
I feel Gregy was right abt choosing partners. Every individual is a different person and u can't use
dating experiences to write guides abt girls. Being a wed photographer says all bcoz u get to see how
diff ppl from all walks of life end up as one.
Gregy, ur a wed photographer, I just have one word of request.
Pls switch to home made sex photgrapher mode and tell me what girls really like in the dark.
Posted by: mthc Mar 30 2008, 12:39 AM
No point going anymore further. See them in real life. Don't just collect facts from the Internet and
summarize them into a conclusion.
Real supermodel look girls with a body like a coke bottle are realistic. They like cash flow. They love
bills. They are darn realistic.
Realistic girls are good. They tend to be more determine, selfish and responsible.
Realistic girls are what a guy suppose to look for. That my point of view tho.
As for average looking girls, they simply demand for dating Mr. Nice and marrying Mr. Right.
No offence. Very kampong thinking. These kind of girls don't demand. Happy go lucky headed which
is bad.
They expect everything to be done for them unlike realistic girls who are material.
Guy should work hard and be dominant in their life. Get a realistic girl with looks like a super model
and body like a coke bottle. Looks fades and body fades? Realistic girls mantain themselves.
Otherwise they will lose an attarction.
Nuff said.
QUOTE(mthc @ Mar 30 2008, 12:39 A M)
(1) No point going anymore further. See them in real life. Don't just collect facts from the Internet and
summarize them into a conclusion.
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(2) Real supermodel look girls with a body like a coke bottle are realistic. They like cash flow. They
love bills. They are darn realistic.
(3) Realistic girls are good. They tend to be more determine, selfish and responsible.
Realistic girls are what a guy suppose to look for. That my point of view tho.
As for average looking girls, they simply demand for dating Mr. Nice and marrying Mr. Right.
(4) No offence. Very kampong thinking. These kind of girls don't demand. Happy go lucky headed
which is bad.
They expect everything to be done for them unlike realistic girls who are material.
(5) Guy should work hard and be dominant in their life.
(6) Get a realistic girl with looks like a super model and body like a coke bottle.
(7) Looks fades and body fades? Realistic girls mantain themselves. Otherwise they will lose an
attarction.
Nuff said.
(1) Has it occured to you that i am compiling this based on my OWN experience after seeing girls in real
life? Not all the stories were quoted from other people ya know... although i do enjoy quoting people
from C C cuz they are a good read and more relevant to the point(s) I wanna make.
(2) I think you mean "materialistic" instead of "realistic". I disagree. The whole point of this article is to
dispel the notion that girls are just after money.
(3) If that's your opinion, then im sure you'll go for the prettiest "realistic" girl (as you put it) who is
willing to go out with you.
(4) Non-sequitur (doesnt follow). What are you trying to say?
(5) Duh.
(6) I disgress. Not all guys are in to stick figures. And im pretty sure different guys have different tastes.
(7) See FAQ #1 in first post.
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QUOTE(MrPudujail @ Mar 29 2008, 11:04 A M)

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The attention grabbing sociopath?
thanks for the compliment btw.
Im going to use above quote in the main post for a FAQ soon.
Posted by: t3chn0m4nc3r Mar 30 2008, 08:25 AM
QUOTE(MrPudujail @ Mar 29 2008, 11:04 A M)

may i remind u tat not every1 is tat open bout those stuff...
Posted by: Abomy Mar 31 2008, 09:08 AM

From the time a girl hits puberty, if she is attractive, she has guys hitting on her in subtle and not-sosubtle ways, ALL THE TIME. Guys are kissing up to her, willing to help her with favors, buy her things,
etc. And even women want to be around her, since she is so popular.
Think about the effect that has on her. It doesn't matter if she is totally a rotten personality, if she is
HOT, she'll still get tons of attention from both men and women. Men want them, and women want to
be around them.
She becomes very distrustful of guys, and also, she starts to realize how most guys have no selfrespect. Most guys are dumb and will tolerate the bad personality just to be with her. Attractive
women tend to get SPOILED because they are given everything by people without having to earn it
or work for it. They can get AWAY with having a rotten personality.
Unlike men, they don't have to develop the rest of their personality in order to get respect, attention,
affection, etc.
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It leads to attractive women having a self-perception that they are superior to most people, as long
as they have the looks. So they can treat most people as if those people were inferior. Especially
men who ass-kiss, who come across as needy and uncool, and believe it or not, also come across as
manipulative. (You see, womanizers don't come across as manipulative, since they hide their agenda
better. Nice guys are obvious- "Hey I like you, do you like me?")
This is why being a "nice guy" is disastrous. Most attractive women simply do not appreciate "niceness" since WOMEN think that if you would be as superior as they are, you would then not be nice.
To them, nice is for people who are inferior. After all, THEY don't have to be nice- and look how
everyone kisses up to them and respects them.
Get it?
Attractive women just assume nice = loser.
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