Subject: meth recipe again From: "Kontac" <jigaboojigaboo@hotmail.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard From: dcopela@mail.pacifier.com (David Copeland) Subject:
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--okay; All you people who want an easy meth systhesis - They don't exist! You have to know
some chemistry. Learn some (yes it takes some discipline) or be doomed to fail. So, again, this
information is posted for information purposes only. I accept no responsibility for anyone
actually using this. If you do you will be subject to state and federal laws and will be subject to
fines and/or imprisonment. If you are stupid enough to actually manufacture meth you WILL
probably go to prison. This is the 90's. So to make meth from ephedrine- Using l- or pseudo
ephedrine place 1000 gms of ephedrine, 250gms of red phosphorus, and 1000ml of hydriotic
acid in a suitable round bottom flask. Fit the flask with a reflux condenser and reflux the mixture
for 48hrs at 120 degrees C. Add a 10% solution of sodium hydroxide until the Ph is 14. You
should get an oil layer and a water layer. Separate the oil layer in a separatory funnel and put it
a flask with 3 volumes of water. Rig the flask for distillation and distill the oil water mixture until
the oil is mostly gone (except for highly colored globs of oil.) In the reciever flask there should
be two layers, an upper oil layer and a lower water layer. Separate the oil layer and mix it with
10% hydrochloric acid until the Ph is 7.6. evaporate the water and it will crystallize into
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Homepage Methamphetamine Synthesis Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID:
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Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry "We have observed
that mixtures containing red phosphorus, iodine and either concentrated HCl or glacial acetic
acid do convert ephedrine to methamphetamine; however, when the phosphorus is omitted,
methamphetamine is not formed. Ephedrine was reacted with red phosphorus and iodine in

refluxing water, varying phosphorus and iodine are (ephedrine:red ephedrine is consumed in

the ratios of red phosphorus and iodine; when red in excess of ephedrine in a 1:3.8:7.2 molar
ratio phosphorus:iodine) methamphetamine is formed and the 8 hours."

Anyone have any thoughts, experience with the typical E-RP-HA when the usually separate
step of creating the hydriotic acid is omitted and the three chemicals are just reacted in refluxing
water. It seems like that is what is being described (along with acid substitution). oo 0' ' ' From:
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Materials: 1. 30ml bottle tincture iodine containing 2% iodine, sodium iodide 2.4%, alcohol 47%,
rest H20 2. 5 Sinustop Herbal Decongestant tablets containing 60mg crystaline
pseudoephedrine HCl each mixed with some herbal ingrediants. Or 300mg of ephedrine
obtained thru some other method. 3. 5 road flares. 4. Bottle of drain cleaner containg conc.
H2SO4 5. Bottle white distilled vinegar 6. Red devil Lye containing sodium hydroxide 7. Spray
can of brake cleaner containing 1,1,1 trichloroethylene or 1,1,1 trichloroethane
-----------Procedure: A. Purifying pseudoephedrine: 1. Take the 5 decongestant capsules, empty
their contents into a small funnel with a coffee filter. Pour 50ml of cold water through the filter,
and collect

the liquid in a small jar. 2. Add a 1/4tsp of lye to the collected liquid. You should immediately
smell the odor of ephedrine. 3. Put the resultant solution in another small jar, and add 50ml of
brake cleaner, then close the lid and shake vigorously. Let stand so that the layers seperate. 4.
Using a turkey baster, suck up the bottom brake cleaner layer out of the jar and put it into a
small bowl. 5. Add 50ml of vinegar and heat the resultant mixure over low heat in a frying pan
with 1/2 inch of water. Thus a water bath. Do not use a gas stove, since the brake cleaner
vapors will produce toxic phosgene if there is contact with a flame. Instead use a hot plate or
electric stove at low heat only. 6. Heat the bowl in the water bath until no more liquid is left. At
the bottom will be a solid layer of a pseudoephedrine acetate. B. Preparing the red phosphorus:
1. Scrape the red phosphorus off of the caps of the 5 flares and store for later use. You should
get about 0.1g per flare. C. Preparing the iodine/HI solution: 1. Pour the entire bottle of the
iodine tincture into a small ceramic bowl. Heat on the above type water bath until no more
alcohol is left. Let cool, put in a small polyethylene jar, and add 0.1ml of the H2SO4 drain
cleaner. Thats about 1/4inch of liquid in the end of an eye dropper. This converts the sodium
iodide to HI. You now have a solution of iodine and HI. 2. Add the red phosphorus, and heat
bottle in a water bath until the purple iodine color goes away. D. The reaction: 1. Add the
pseudoephedrine acetate to the solution of HI/I and phosphorus, and heat on a water bath for
24 hours. E: Extraction: 1. Cool the reaction solution and add 1/2tsp of lye. Take the solution
and perform steps A3-A6. 2. You will end up with methamphetamine acetate that you can
scrape from the bowl. Congradulations! You have circumvented all of law enforcement and have
greatly contributed to the end of the "drug war". (or contributed to the outlaw of all flares, iodine
tincture, vignegar, drain cleaners, and auto store chemicals and coffee filters as will happen in
the next year) Best regards, Cousin Singe From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey) Subject: Re:
Testing for bunk

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <44hgdc$j4b@pilot.njin.net> references:

<43aqhu$njr@news1.wolfe.net> <43ct9h$oth@cello.gina.calstate.edu> organization: Rutgers
University newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry FAQ fodder... If methamphetamine looks waxy or
oily, it is probably contaminated with the HI salt of meth, an oily by-product of the
red-phosphorous/HI reduction of ephedrine--the most prevalent method of clandestine
manufacture. The HI salt is soluble in acetone, while the HCL salt is only very slightly soluble.
The HI salt could be washed out, basified, and then precipitated with HCl gas to give
methamphetmine HCL. When completely dry, methamphetamine HCL is soluble in chloroform,
while ephedrine HCL is not. This would provide a convenient method of separation. [Reference:
Skinner, Harry F., "Methamphetamine Synthesis Via Hydriotic Acid/Red Phosphorous Reduction
Of Ephedrine," Forensic Science International, Vol 48, 1990, pp. 123-134] [Provided for
academic interest. Do not attempt. Etc.] Sean -``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face
of the commitment to getting from here to there. But they are conditions for sailing -- not
something to be gotten rid of, but something to be danced with.'' From: josh
<mjiicma@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: methamphetamine synthesis Date: Sun, 16
Feb 1997 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <33080728.14C5@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Guest wrote: > > I'm posting
this 'cause I'm sick and tired of people asking and no real > answers. I want some things in
return. But heres the synh. This is > from Space Monkey the original biker cook! > > Get
22,000ml boiling flask with a condenser and mantle. Add 5 pounds of > l-ephedrine
hydrochloride. Pour in one gallon of hydriodic acid. Add > 1000 grams of red phosphorus. > >
Crank up the mantle and let it boil for 13 hours. Now think for a > minute: Take the output off the
top of the condenser, put a check valve > in line with a long piece of tygon tubing and bubble
the output of the > tube through a bucket of water outside where you are cooking. That way

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

there is no accumulation of hydrogen in the house to blow you to he-double toothpicks. Now
that the 13 hours are up, turn off the mantle, but let the condenser run until the flask is cool
enough to pick up. During this 13 hours of cooking, you have made a strong lye solution. Now
fill a big carboy with spigot about a third of the way with clear ice from the liquor store (it is made
with distilled water [duh]). Pour the lye solution over the ice. Now pour the contents of the boiling
flask into the ice/lye filled carbouy and agitate. An oil layer will seperate on top. This is
methamphetamine free-base. Discard the water layer, save the oil Put the oil in beaker so you
know how much you have. Now add equal parts of VERY hot water and oil in a seperatory
funnel and shake for a couple of minutes. Put the sep funnel in a ring stand and let it sit for
about 10 minutes till the crap falls out of the oil into the water. Discard the water. Keep doing
this until the oil clean. Now start adding Hydrochloric acid to the oil. It will take lots at first. Keep
testing with pH test papers. When it starts to change, add the acid in little bits, cause just a little
too much will push the ph the wrong way... Perfect pH is 7 Now you have a mixture of pure
methamphetamine in water. Put the whole thing in an electric oven at the lowest setting and let
sit till dry. It will be yellow. Now put it in a jar with acetone and shake it up, this will get rid of the
yellow. You will have 5 + pounds of absolutely pure meth. Popeye, elusis, Yogi read it and
agree! Now my questions that you who will use this owe me for having the balls to post it: 1) I
tried this with iodine/red phosphorus/distilled water in proportions found on the lycaeum home
page. I also used pseudoephedrine extracted from white 60mg tabs. I extracted with distilled
water, filtered till clear and let dry. What I got when I added the boiled product to the lye was a
suspension of red phosphorus globules that did not float or sink. It smelled like meth, but I know
better. If it had worked, I would have gotten an oil. What happened?

>>>>>>>>

2) Post this new epenephrine synth I hear people talking about 3) I hear that oxymethazoline
HCL can be made into something like meth. Post it Thanks. Elusis, popeye where are you?"

this is close to the synthesis ive seen used. and pseudoephedrine works real well, giving a very
good product. but the tabs that were being used were 30mg thins very much like the 25mg
ephedrine thins that everyone else in the us was using to make CAT. but about the time that
ephedrine became impossible to get the 30mg sudafed thins disappeared too..being replaced
by 60mg thicks..these were loaded with gummy binder that is impossible to get rid of. when this
stuff was boiled in HI acid it turned into a dark red sludge which kind of was thicker on the top
just like what you are describing.....i have been told that the 4th ed of Secrets of Meth
Manufacture has a way of removing the binder out of these tabs. but i haven't bought it hoping
that someone might post the route for this extraction method. if you run accross it or get told of it
post it. i will do the same for the group if i find it. josh From: Joe.Student@asu.edu (Information
Technology) Subject: Re: mistake in iodine phos. synthesis? Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:00:00
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> >a little. This is from memory...I don't have my notes with me...so if I > >get it wrong I will post
it later..I did the calculation for making 340mL > >HI first so to make 3.5 molar soln it's around
150g of I2...and about 12g > >of P4 then brought to volume. I THINK this is from memory. Then
he > >calls for 40g of P4 added as a catalyst. This is the same as having > > Well, it isn't a
"catalyst". When it is used in this set of reactions, > it is used up, producing phosphorus acid. >
Not all P4 is used up. There must be an "excess" amount of P4 to drive the reaction. Therfore
P4 acts as a catalyst.

1 Ephedrine HCL + 1/2 I2 ----> 1 I- sustituted "Ephedrine" HCL + 1 OH150g 94.44g 231.80g
12.64g 1 I-sub "Ephedrine HCl" + H+ -----> 1 Methamphetamine HCL + 1/2 I2 231.8g 0.74g
138.12g 94.44g

The excess P4 reacts with the liberated I2 to make more HI acid. If The calculatins are incorrect
let me know mole amounts used: Ephedrine HCl = 201.64g Methamphetamine HCL = 185.64g
just trying to help tweaker From: egendorf@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Robert Egendorf) Subject:
PPA to meth? Please Comment Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID:
<5se45g$36e$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: University of Pennsylvania Newsgroups:
rec.drugs.chemistry,alt.drugs.chemistry Uncle Fester's Secrets of Methamphetamine
Manufacture describes a procedure for producing methamphetamine via the reduction of
pseudoephedrine or ephedrine with HI and red phosphorus. Fester's reduction uses red
phosphorus and iodine to form the HI used in the reaction. This is a well known reaction and
has appeared in print in: Skinner, HF "Methamphetamine Synthesis via Hydroidic Acid/ Red
Phosphorus Reduction of Ephedrine", Forensic Science International 48 (1990): 123-124
Ephedrine and Psuedoephedrine reduce to methamphetamine; PPA reduces to amphetamine.
Instead of making the HI via red phosphorus and iodine, let's consider forming it via DMSO,
H2SO4, and NaI or KI. This is an extension of Vogel's Practical Organic Textbook's reaction for
making HBr. The same one appeared in Pugsley's Bromosafrole preparation. Accordingly: 334g
KI or 300g NaI (2M amount) + 400ml distilled water are mixed and cooled in an ice bath. 180ml
H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) is added dropwise so that the temperature stays below 75C. As a side
note, DMT or HMPT can be used instead of DMSO. However, for this discussion, DMSO is
necessary. Now that the HI is formed from DMSO, the reduction of PPA is continued according
to Fester: 150g PPA HCl + 40g Red Phosphorus + 340ml HI (made from DMSO) are mixed
together in a 1000ml flat bottom (round bottoms require oil baths for heat). This solution is
refluxed for 1 day, at least. Make the solution basic via NaOH (lye) to bring out the free base.
Extract out the freebase and convert to the hydrochloride. Normally, PPA reduced with HI will
form amphetamine. However, it is rumored that the DMSO will aid in methylenating the PPA. In
other words, the PPA is reduced via the HI and as a side reaction is methylenated by the
DMSO. This will theoretically yield methamphetamine

For further information about DMSO, consult Fieser and Fieser "Reagents in Organic
Synthesis." Supposedly, very little of the Iodine dissolves in the DMSO, but a lot of it reacts
without the whole mass dissolving first. Could the "extra" DMSO be used to methylenate the
PPA? Is this a viable mmethod of producing methamphetamine from PPA? Any thoughts or
ideas are greatly appreciated.

-R. Zachary Egendorf "I was one born, long ago. I am the egendorf@mail.sas.upenn.edu
chosen. I'm the one." University of Pennsylvania - Lenny Kravitz Class of 1997 - Hopefully...
From: iodosafrole@hotmail.com Subject: Cranksters Please Read & Respond - Steve Quest,
JD Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <873861819.15900@dejanews.com>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,rec.drugs.chemistry This is posted for info only. DO NOT
ATTEMPT THIS SYNTHESIS. DO NOT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. With that in mind, let's talk
about speed syntheses. 1. Red phosphorus and HI. 450ml of 57% HI, 160g of l-ephedrine or
d-pseudoephedrine, and 25g of red phosphorus are refluxed for at least 32 hours. The ratio for
the HI and the ephedrine are: 2 parts Iodine, 1 part Ephedrine, 1/2 part red phos. The red phos
in this ratio is used to synthesize the HI. For example, 320g Iodine:160g Ephedrine:80g red
phos. The Iodine is insitu or in dH2O. A flat bottom flask is nestled in an ice bath with stirring
and contains 400ml dH2O (Is this correct?) and 320g of Iodine. The red phos is added SLOWLY
and a lot of heat is given off. Allow the solution to react for about 20 minutes. Remove the ice
bath and place the flask on a heating mantle. Attach a condensor and boil under reflux for about
36 hours. Remove the heating mantle and allow cool water to continue to flow through the
condensor for about an hour. Pour the red solution through a series of doubled up coffee filters
to remove the red phos for later use. Dilute the solution with an equal volume of distilled water.
Prepare a dilute lye solution by dissolving lye pellets (RED DEVIL LYE) in dH2O. Liberate the
freebase crank oil by adding the lye solution. The crank oil should float on top of the solution,
which should be strongly basic. Extract the crank oil with Toluene. Bubble HCl gas through to
form the salt. Wash the crystals with acetone and spread out on a plate to dry. Now this method
may produce a somewhat crude product. There may

be some unreacted iodoephedrine. This may be rectified by recrystalization. Dissolve the

crystals in hot ethyl alcohol and tartaric acid. This will separate the d-isomer of
methamphetamine from any impurities. I believe that the theory behind this reaction is that red
phosphorus reacts with Iodine to form PI3 - Phosphorus Triiodide. The PI3 and water form
phosphorus acid and HI. The HI absorbs the hydrogen atom of the ephedrine. It is dehydrating
the benzyl alcohol. The red phosphorus (the 25g in this reaction) acts as a recycler for the HI.
Journal Article: Topics in Forensic Science International. Skinner wrote an article detailing this
procedure. Sources: Red phosphorus: Grind up some flare caps, boil in dH2O, filter and save
the filter cake Iodine: Buy some bottles of Iodine at the drugstore. Either set up a double boiler
with a metal plate on top to catch the vapors or dry it with a little sulfuric acid (drain cleaner) Lye:
Red Devil Lye at the hardware store Toluene: Hardware Store Tartaric Acid: Cream of Tartar
Questions: 1. Phosphorus acid, Phosphoric acid, and Hypophosphoric acid are available
commercially. Phosphoric acid is available in the building materials section of Home Depot. How
could these be used in the reduction and how would they affect the numbers? 2. This is
probably from a bullshit recipe, but could TripleSuperPhosphate be used in place of the red
phos catalyst? There was mention of a recipe that used 150 parts Iodine:30 parts
TripleSuperPhosphate:20g of Aluminum. The Iodine is not in water, but in phosphoric acid.
Could phosphoric acid react with Iodine to form HI? Phosphoric acid contains water. In the
Merck, Aluminum is said to react with a dilute acid to evolve into hydrogen. Could the hydrogen
that is evolved from the Al react with Iodine? Not having tried this - it would be illegal - I am not
sure about what is happening in the reaction. How would the phosphoric acid react with the
TripleSuperPhosphate? If this is a valid method of producing HI, could AlI3 be used Aluminum
Iodine? 3. Instead of forming the HI from red phosphorus and iodine, it can be synthesized from
DMSO, sulfuric acid, and either Sodium Iodine or Potassium Iodine. In an ice bath with stirring,
a 2M amount of NaI or KI is dissolved in 400ml anhydrous DMSO. 180ml of sulfuric acid are
added. In theory, this should be anhydrous HI. Now, how would the ratio of 450ml HI + 160g
Ephedrine + 25g red phos ratio be adjusted? There is also a rumor that because dimethyl
sulfate is a methylating agent, PPA (Dexatrim) can be reduced to methamphetamine instead of
benzedrine. I would assume that the PPA would have to be dissolved in the DMSO before the
HI is formed. Any thoughts? This was posted out of academic interest only. Do not do anything
illegal.
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In article <873861819.15900@dejanews.com> iodosafrole@hotmail.com writes: >This is posted

for info only. DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS SYNTHESIS. >DO NOT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. No
problemo, just relocate your lab to a friendly jurisdiction like the lost continent of Mu or
somewhere.:) >1. Red phosphorus and HI. 450ml of 57% HI, 160g of l-ephedrine >or
d-pseudoephedrine, and 25g of red phosphorus are refluxed for >at least 32 hours. The ratio for
the HI and the ephedrine are: >2 parts Iodine, 1 part Ephedrine, 1/2 part red phos. The red
>phos in this ratio is used to synthesize the HI. For example, >320g Iodine:160g Ephedrine:80g
red phos. The Iodine is insitu It may be possible to get away with a small amount of iodine,
since it is recycled in the reaction unless the reduction of iodoamphetamine by HI is the
rate-limiting step. >the condensor for about an hour. Pour the red solution through >a series of
doubled up coffee filters to remove the red phos for >later use. Dilute the solution with an equal
volume of >distilled water. Prepare a dilute lye solution by dissolving The dilution step is unwise.
It only makes the extraction harder, requiring larget volumes of solvent. >lye pellets (RED
DEVIL LYE) in dH2O. Liberate the freebase >crank oil by adding the lye solution. The crank oil
should >float on top of the solution, which should be strongly basic. >Extract the crank oil with
Toluene. Bubble HCl gas through to >form the salt. Wash the crystals with acetone and spread
out on >a plate to dry. Or extract with ether which is then rotovapped off for recovery, and
recrystallize the product from a mildly acidic aqueous solution. Recrystallization, if done properly
is a powerful purificatory tool and a technique that everyone should know. It's also pretty to
watch. >I believe that the theory behind this reaction is that red >phosphorus reacts with Iodine
to form PI3 - Phosphorus

>Triiodide. The PI3 and water form phosphorus acid and HI. The >HI absorbs the hydrogen
atom of the ephedrine. It is That would be the oxygen atom. >Red phosphorus: Grind up some
flare caps, boil in dH2O, filter >and save the filter cake There is also a rather involved process
by which bone meal can be heated with charcoal to produce white phosphorus vapor that can
be condensed for conversion to red phosphorus. This is technically demanding however, and
probably not worth the trouble under normal circumstances. On the other hand, abnormal
circumstances are the daily bread of the speedchef. >Iodine: Buy some bottles of Iodine at the
drugstore. Either set There is a camping water purification treatment that uses crystalline iodine
that is much more practical in cases where bulk iodine is unavailable. >Tartaric Acid: Cream of
Tartar For stereospecific crystallization, you will need enantiomerically pure tartaric acid. Cream
of tartar is not pure in this fashion. >1. Phosphorus acid, Phosphoric acid, and Hypophosphoric
acid >are available commercially. Phosphoric acid is available in the >building materials section
of Home Depot. How could these be >used in the reduction and how would they affect the
numbers? They could be used for polishing any metal piping used in your apparatus. As
reducing agents, they are utterly useless. They are the end product of the red phosphorus
reduction, the ashes of the reaction. >2. This is probably from a bullshit recipe, but could
>TripleSuperPhosphate be used in place of the red phos catalyst? No, see above. >There was
mention of a recipe that used 150 parts Iodine:30 >parts TripleSuperPhosphate:20g of
Aluminum. The Iodine is not >in water, but in phosphoric acid. Could phosphoric acid react
{Deletia} >into hydrogen. Could the hydrogen that is evolved from the Al >If this is a valid
method of producing HI, could AlI3 be used This may not be entirely bogus. If the phosphoric
acid is left out, iodine attacks aluminum metal to form the halide. Now, AlI3 may seem like a
dead end, but it must be remembered that aluminum halides vigorously hydrolize to form the
hydrohalic acid and aluminum hudroxide/oxide/dissolved ion species. Worth looking into. >3.
Instead of forming the HI from red phosphorus and iodine, it >can be synthesized from DMSO,
sulfuric acid, and either Sodium >Iodine or Potassium Iodine. In an ice bath with stirring, a 2M
{Deletia} >HI. Now, how would the ratio of 450ml HI + 160g Ephedrine + 25g >red phos ratio be
adjusted? There is also a rumor that because

THat depends on the concentration of the HI in the DMSO. This can be calculated from the
amounts in your original post and has been left as an exercise. >dimethyl sulfate is a
methylating agent, PPA (Dexatrim) can be >reduced to methamphetamine instead of
benzedrine. I would >assume that the PPA would have to be dissolved in the DMSO >before
the HI is formed. Any thoughts? There is a sizable difference between DMSO and dimethyl
sulphate. Without careful control, dimethylamphetamine would be a serious problem as an
undesired product. Also, there are less toxic and more readily available methods for methylating
amines. Given the ready avalability of pseudoephedrine, this step is not needed. Justified and
Ancient, James -passion=life

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