Gubarev V Buzzfeed 2018 EWHC 512 (QB) 21.03.18

Neutral Citation Number: [2018] EWHC 512 (QB)
Case No: CR 2017 - 664

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
Royal Courts of Justice

Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Date: 21/03/2018
Before :
SENIOR MASTER FONTAINE

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Between :
Aleksej Gubarev (1) Plaintiffs

XBT Holdings SA (2)
Webzilla Inc (3)
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Buzzfeed Inc (1) Defendants
Ben Smith (2)
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Christopher Steele
Applicant
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Mr Gavin Millar QC and Mr Edward Craven (instructed by RPC) for the Applicant
Miss Hannah Brown QC (instructed by W Legal) for the Plaintiffs
Mr Alex Bailin QC and Mr Ben Silverstone (instructed by Taylor Wessing) for the
Defendants
Mr Julian Blake (instructed by the Government Legal Department for the Foreign and
Commonwealth Office intervening)
Hearing dates: 5 February and 16 March 2018

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Approved Judgment
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SENIO R MASTER FO NTAINE Gubarev and ors v Buzzfeed Inc and anor ats Steele CR 2017-
Approve d Judgment 664
Senior Master Fontaine:
1. The applications before me relate to a Letter of Request dated 8 th August 2017, (“the
Request”) from the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida
(Miami Division) (“the Florida court”), pursuant to section 2 of the Evidence
(Proceedings in other Jurisdictions) Act 1975. Pursuant to the Request, and the
application of the US Plaintiffs’ dated 3rd November 2018, made without notice, I made
an order dated 9th November 2017 (“the November 2017 order”) without a hearing, for
evidence to be taken by way of oral examination of the Applicant (“Mr Steele”) under
CPR 34.18. By way of an application notice dated 1 st December 2017 Mr Steele applies
to set aside or vary that order.
2. There is also before me an application by the US Defendants dated 9th January 2018, to
vary the November 2017 order, if that order is not set aside. Finally, there is an
application dated 4th December 2017 on behalf of the Foreign and Commonwea lth
Office (“the FCO”), who have intervened as a party with an interest in the proceedings.
The FCO do not seek their application to be dealt with until I have determined the
applications of both Mr Steele and the US Defendants.
3. The following witness statements were before the court:
For the Applicant Mr Steele:
Witness statement of Nicola Cain dated 1st December 2017;
Witness statement of Edward Lucas dated 30th November 2017.
For the US Plaintiffs
First witness statement of Steven Frederick Loble dated 3 rd November 2017 Second
witness statement of Steven Frederick Loble dated 16 th January 2018.
For the US Defendants
Witness statement of Katherine M Bolger dated 20th December 2017
For the FCO
First witness statement of Lewis Neal dated 30th November 2017
Second witness statement of Lewis Neal dated 1st February 2018
4. In this judgment I refer to documents referred to in the evidence by the bundle reference,
as follows: [bundle number/tab number/page number].
Background to the applications – summary of information in the evidence
5. The November 2017 order was made on the application of the three US Plaintiffs in
defamation proceedings which are currently pending before the Florida court (“the
Florida proceedings”). The US Plaintiffs in those proceedings are an individual, Mr
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Aleksej Gubarev, and two companies owned by or associated with him, XBT Holdings
SA and Webzilla Inc. The US Defendants are the US publishing company BuzzFeed
Inc and its editor Mr Ben Smith. In the Florida proceedings the US Plaintiffs complain
of allegedly defamatory statements in documents published by the US Defendants on
10 January 2017 “(the dossier)”. The dossier consists of a number of memoranda
produced by Mr Steele and/or his company, Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd (“Orbis”).
6. Mr Steele and Orbis are defendants in defamation proceedings in the Queen’s Bench
Division brought by the US Plaintiffs, as claimants (save that Webzilla Inc is not a
claimant, and the second and third claimants are Webzilla BV and Webzilla Limited),
issued on 3rd February 2017 under Claim No. HQ17D00413 (“the QB proceedings ”).
The QB proceedings have reached the stage of service of the claim form and particulars
of claim, and service of the defence and a reply. The QB proceedings are brought in
respect of the same publication of the dossier by the US Defendants.
7. Mr Steele was a Crown Servant between 1987-2009, rising to the position of Counsellor
in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. During that time he acquired expertise in
the affairs of Russia/Commonwealth of Independent States. He is bound by contractual
and Official Secrets Act obligations.
8. After he left the FCO, Mr Steele founded Orbis in partnership with Mr Christopher
Burrows, another retired Senior FCO Crown Servant. Orbis is a corporate intellige nce
consultancy, which specialises in providing strategic insight and advice, intellige nce
and investigative services to a range of clients. Mr Steele is a Director of Orbis.
9. Between June and early November 2016, Orbis was engaged by Fusion GPS
(“Fusion”), a consultancy based in Washington DC, providing research, strategic
intelligence and due diligence services to clients. Mr Steele and Orbis had developed
a prior working relationship with Fusion over a number of years. Fusion engaged Orbis
to prepare a series of confidential memoranda based on intelligence concerning alleged
Russian efforts to influence the United States Presidential election, and possible links
between Russia and the then Presidential candidate, and later President, Donald Trump.
The parties describe these memoranda as the “pre-election memoranda”, being those
prepared before the 2016 US Presidential election, and “the December memorand um”,
a further memorandum dated 13th December 2016 prepared by Mr Steele of his own
initiative, after the US Presidential election. The pre-election memoranda and the
December memorandum, sixteen documents in total, constitute the dossier, as referred
to in the Florida proceedings. The dossier was supplied to Fusion on terms that it was
subject to an obligation not to disclose it or any of it to third parties without the
agreement of Orbis and/or Mr Steele.
10. Mr Steele, concluding that the intelligence reported on in the December Memorandum
was of considerable importance to the national security of the US and the UK, and
therefore needed to be analysed further, investigated and verified, provided a copy of
the same to a senior UK government national security official acting in his offic ia l
capacity; and a copy to Fusion by enciphered email, with an instruction to Fusion to
provide a hard copy to Senator John McCain of the United States, via Mr David Kramer,
a former US State Department civil servant and an associate of Senator McCain.
11. On 10th January 2017 the US Defendants published an online article entitled “These
Reports Allege Trump has Deep Ties to Russia” (“the Article”), accompanied by a link
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to the dossier. It is not known who provided the dossier to the US Defendants. Mr
Steele’s evidence is that he was “horrified and remains horrified that the US Defendants
published the dossier at all, let alone without substantial redactions.” He considers that
this may have compromised the sources of his intelligence, putting their lives, their
families and their livelihoods at risk. He says that for former Crown Servants with the
experience and background of the Directors of Orbis, such publicatio n of such raw
intelligence reports in this way is simply unthinkable (Cain Paragraph 44) [1/3/10].
12. The US Plaintiffs’ claim in the Florida proceedings concerns the publication of
paragraph 3 of the December memorandum (described as Company Intelligence Report
2016/166), which states as follows:
“[Redacted] reported that over the period March-September

2016 a company called XBT/Webzilla and its affiliates had been
using botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs,
steal data and conduct “alerting operations” against the
Democratic Party leadership. Entities linked to one Aleksei
GUBAROV were involved and he and another hacking expert,
both recruited under duress by the FSB, Seva KAPSUGOVICH,
were significant players in this operation. In Prague, COHEN
agreed contingency plans for various scenarios to protect the
operation, but in particular what was to be done in the event that
Hillary CLINTON won the presidency. It was important in this
event that all cash payments owed were made quickly and
discreetly and that cyber and other operators were stood
down/able to go effectively to ground to cover their traces.
[additional sentence in parenthesis not relied upon]” [2/11/127]
13. The complaint by the US Plaintiffs was filed on 2 nd March 2017, following a letter
before action dated 28th January 2017. The US Defendants’ defence was filed on 29th
June 2017. The US Plaintiffs applied to the Florida court by motion for the issue of a
Letter of Request pursuant to the Hague Convention of 18 th March 1970 on the Taking
of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters (“the Hague Evidence
Convention”) in relation to oral evidence sought from Mr Steele in this jurisdiction for
use at trial. The Request [2/12/230 – 240] was issued in identical terms to the motion
by the US Plaintiffs, and the draft order and November 2017 order are in the same
terms.
14. On 10th August 2017 Mr Steele filed a non-party motion of intervention in the Florida
proceedings objecting to the Letter of Request on grounds that:
“The deposition sought is impermissible and unlawful on

multiple grounds, not the least of which is that the self-same
Plaintiffs have a direct defamation action pending against Mr
Steele in the United Kingdom in which the requested deposition
is strictly prohibited. Plaintiffs thus are seeking to employ this
Court in an end-run around their limitations in their parallel UK
action”. [2/13/242 – 243]
15. The motion was refused by order of the Florida court dated 15th August 2017 [2/13/245
– 247]. Her Hon. District Judge Ursula Ungaro stated in the said order:

“Mr Steele seeks to intervene on the grounds that his deposition

is prohibited by British law. This Court presumes, however, that
the Senior Master of the Court of Judicature, Queen’s Bench
Division, will limit the scope of the Request pursuant to British
law …… The Court, therefore, denies Mr Steele’s request to
intervene, trusting that his rights under British law will be
protected by the British Court.” [2/13/246]
Chronology of the application by the US Plaintiffs under CPR 34.17
16. In correspondence between W Legal and RPC, the solicitors acting for, respectively,
the US Plaintiffs and Mr Steele, RPC requested that the application for an order
pursuant to the Request be dealt with at a hearing on notice. However, that course,
obviously a sensible one where there is a dispute between the party who seeks the
examination and the witness, as to whether or not the application should be granted
and/or in what terms it should be granted, was not followed by the US Plaintiffs. Rather,
W Legal lodged the application to be dealt with on a without notice basis, and without
a hearing. Consequently, the order was made in the terms sought, there being no
obvious grounds before the court at that time on which to refuse the application in the
terms sought.
17. On 14th November 2017, the Government Legal Department (“GLD”) acting on behalf
of the FCO, wrote to Mr Steele’s solicitors RPC indicating that it was considering
seeking a certificate under section 3(3) of the 1975 Act. Section 3(3) of the 1975 Act
gives protection against compulsion to give evidence prejudicial to the security of the
United Kingdom.
18. On 20th November 2017 RPC wrote to the Plaintiffs’ solicitors, W Legal pointing out a
number of concerns about the terms of the November 2017 order, and in particular the
width of Schedule A to that order, which sets out the topics and ambit of the oral
examination. The US Plaintiffs’ solicitors were notified of Mr Steele’s intended
application to set aside the November 2017 order. Following a telephone discussion on
22nd November 2017, W Legal sent to RPC a draft of an alternative Schedule A to see
whether Mr Steele would agree to be examined on that alternative formulation. That
proposal could not be agreed.
The Law
19. The court’s jurisdiction is derived from the Evidence (Proceedings in Other
Jurisdictions) Act 1975 (“the 1975 Act”).
20. All parties referred the court to a number of authorities, as follows:
In re State of Norway [1987] QB 433
Rio Tinto Zinc Corporation –v- Westinghouse Electric [1978] AC 547
CH (Ireland) Inc –v- Credit Suisse Canada [2004] EWHC 626 (QB) at [14] and [17]

First American Corp –v- Al Nahyan [1999] 1 WLR 1154
United States of America v Philip Morris Inc [2003] EWHC 3028 (Comm)
United States of America v Philip Morris Inc [2004] 1CLC 811
State of Minnesota –v- Phillip Morris Inc [1998] I.L.Pr 170
Gredd –v- Busson [2003] EWHC 3001
Genira Trade –v- Refco [2011] EWCA Civ 1733, [2002] C.P. Rep. 15
Microtechnologies LLC v Autonomy Inc and Hussain [2016] EWHC 3268 (QB)
Dombo Beheer B.V. The Netherlands (1994) 18 EHRR 213
Sanoma v the Netherlands [2011] EMLR 4
Land Rover North America Inc –v- Windh [2005] EWHC 432 (QB)
Rio Tinto Zinc plc v Vale SA [2015] EWHC 1865 (QB)
Secretary of State for Trade and Industry v Crane [2001] 1 BCLC 222
Mr Steele’s Application – Summary of Submissions on his behalf
21. The application to set aside the November 2017 order is made on both jurisdictio na l
and discretionary grounds. Mr Millar QC for Mr Steele drew the court’s attention to
the width of the topics of the proposed examination in the original Schedule A to the
November 2017 order.
22. Paragraph 1 seeks evidence on Mr Steele’s educational background, employme nt

history, professional qualifications, personal preparation for the deposition, despite the
fact that he will be a witness of fact and not an expert witness. Paragraphs 2-14 list
topics of examination in relation to the entire dossier, although only one paragraph of
the December Memorandum is complained of in the Florida proceedings. Paragraph
4 seeks evidence from Mr Steele of steps he took to obtain information for the dossier,
which would inevitably be a substantial and wide-ranging investigation, given the
extent of the material in the dossier. Paragraph 7 seeks Mr Steele’s sources of
information for the dossier, even though it must have been apparent that the answers
would involve a wide-ranging examination and could put potential intelligence sources
at great risk. Paragraphs 12-13 relate to provision of the dossier by Mr Steele to others,
even though his defence in the QB proceedings, signed by a statement of truth, provides
this information. Further the November 2017 order provides for a seven hour
examination, with six hours being allotted to the Plaintiffs’ US trial counsel and one
hour to the US Defendants’ trial counsel, which it is said demonstrates the extent of the
questioning sought, despite the narrow limits of the allegations in the US proceedings.

Jurisdictional Grounds
Evidence sought for an impermissible purpose
23. Mr Millar relies on the judgments in a number of authorities to support the position that
investigatory examinations and fishing expeditions will not be permitted by the Englis h
Court, on either jurisdictional grounds because they do not come within the 1975 Act
or on discretionary grounds because they are oppressive, namely:
In re State of Norway [1987] QB 433 at 481F, 482 E – F, 483G, 491F
First American Corp –v- Al Nahyan [1999] 1 WLR 1154 at 1165 D – E, 1165H –
1166A
Gredd –v- Busson [2003] EWHC 3001 at §27 (3) (9)
Rio Tinto plc v Vale S.A. [2015] EWHC 1865 (QB)
Rio Tinto Zinc Corporation –v- Westinghouse Electric 1978 AC 547 at §37 - 38
24. It is submitted that the court is able to infer from the wide-ranging evidence sought in
the Request, far beyond what is required for the purposes of the Florida proceedings,
that the US Plaintiffs’ intention is not primarily to obtain evidence for trial, but to
conduct a wide ranging investigation in order to attack the credibility of Mr Steele and
his sources. There has been no attempt in the Florida proceedings to analyse how the
evidence sought is relevant to the issues between the parties in the Florida proceedings.
The inference that can be drawn is that the US Plaintiffs want a public platform to
attempt to discredit the dossier as valueless. This would increase the pressure on Mr
Steele not to defend the QB proceedings and could put the well-being of his sources in
jeopardy. The court should therefore infer that the application is brought for an
impermissible purpose and that the court therefore has no jurisdiction.
25. The defence of the US Defendants’ in the Florida proceedings relies on the following
grounds –
i) no personal jurisdiction;
ii) publication is protected by fair report privilege;
iii) publication is protected by neutral report privilege;
iv) publication is protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the US

Constitution (Free Speech Defence);
v) the Plaintiffs are public figures and cannot meet their burden to prove actual
malice by clear and convincing evidence;
vi) [the remaining defences relate to damages]. [2/11/193-194].
26. There is no basis for Mr Steele being able to give evidence as to the US Defendants’
state of mind or to any of the other defences.

27. Further, although the US Plaintiffs have now made concessions and will agree to a more
limited form of order, and have agreed to give various assurances, the description of
the topics for examination as redrafted are so far different from the topics requested to
be ordered for examination by the US Court that this court has no jurisdiction to make
an order amended in that form unless an amended Letter of Request is sought.
Breach of Article 6 Rights
28. It is submitted that the result of the November 2017 order is to violate Mr Steele’s fair
trial rights in the QB proceedings under Article 6 of the European Convention on
Human Rights, as set out in the Human Rights Act 1998. It is accepted that it is a matter
of fact and degree whether matters of procedure can affect Article 6 rights. However,
it is submitted that on the basis of the principles outlined in the case of Dombo Beheer
B.V. –v-The Netherlands (1994) 18 EHRR 213, that the November 2017 order has the
effect of violating Mr Steele’s right to a fair trial because it results in an inequality of
arms. Under the CPR both parties exchange their witness statements at the same time,
after disclosure and inspection of documents, so that neither party can tailor their
evidence in the light of having seen the other party’s evidence first. If the order remains
as drafted the US Plaintiffs will have the advantage in the QB proceedings of hearing
Mr Steele being examined, cross-examined and re-examined on issues that arise in the
QB proceedings.
29. Further, if the court rules in favour of the Claimants in the QB proceedings, awarding
them damages for the publication of the words complained of in the December
Memorandum, Mr Steele and Orbis are very likely to issue proceedings for a
contribution against the US Defendants under the Civil Liability (Contribution) Act
1978. There has been correspondence with the US Defendants about the possibility of
pursuing such a claim as an additional claim in the current QB proceedings, although
this has not yet happened. The US Defendants are, therefore, aware of the possibility
of future litigation between Mr Steele and themselves in respect of the publication of
the December Memorandum. Thus, the US Defendants also would have the advantage
in such contribution proceedings of having had Mr Steele’s evidence on examinatio n,
cross-examination and re-examination ahead of such proceedings.
30. Mr Steele faces losing the “level playing field” protection given by the CPR where the
trial is the first opportunity for the opposing party to cross-examine. It is submitted that
the US Plaintiffs’ reliance on the case of Secretary of State for Trade and Industry –v-
Crane [2001] 1 BCLC 222 is not comparable either on the facts in respect of the ruling.
This was not a case under the 1975 Act, but rather whether civil proceedings under s. 6
of the Company Directors Disqualificatio n Act 1986 should be stayed pending the
outcome of criminal proceedings against the directors. In that case the right of silence
in criminal proceedings was a factor in the determination, whereas there is no parallel
right in civil proceedings. In any event, there is no application in the QB proceedings
for a stay as there was in that case.
31. Mr Millar QC for Mr Steele relies on similar cases in related context where judges have
emphasised “the desirability of avoiding a dress rehearsal of the cross-examinatio n”,
where a Court is invited to order the pre-trial examination of a person who may be
subsequently cross-examined at a trial in the case. (For example, in re Castle –v- New
Homes Ltd 1979 1 WLR 1075 per Slade J at 10/83, and in Re: Frank’s Ex Parte Gittins
1892 1 QB 646 per Gordon Williams J at 647-648). This reflects the inherent

oppressiveness of requiring one party, but not the other, to submit to detailed cross-
examination many months before the trial.
32. It is submitted that the court could not fairly dismiss Mr Steele’s legitimate concerns
on the basis of unsubstantiated speculation by the US Plaintiffs about the evidence Mr
Steele would or would not give at the examination.
Discretionary Grounds
33. If the court considers that it does have jurisdiction to make the order on behalf of Mr
Steele it is submitted that the court should refuse to exercise its discretion so to do on
the following grounds.
Oppression – evidence on issues included in the QB proceedings
34. It is submitted that the case pleaded by the US Plaintiffs as Claimants in the QB
proceedings puts in issue a wide range of factual matters, which are also likely to be the
subject of the examination, cross-examination and re-examination in the US
proceedings. For example:
i) the extent to which the information in the memoranda comprising the dossier as
published was based on intelligence, the terms on which any such intellige nce
was supplied to Mr Steele/Orbis and the steps the US Defendants took to check
any such intelligence;
ii) the history and nature of the relationship between Mr Steele and Orbis, on the
one hand, and Fusion, on the other;
iii) the identity of and motives of Fusion’s client, on whose behalf it instructed Orbis
to prepare the pre-election memoranda;
iv) the circumstances in, and the terms on, which Mr Steele and Orbis prepared the
pre-election memoranda for Fusion, including the extent of the US Defendant’ s
knowledge of the matters referred to at (iii) above;
v) the extent to which Mr Steele and Orbis treated the pre-election memoranda and
the December memorandum as confidential;
vi) provision by the Defendants of the pre-election memoranda to the FBI;
vii) the extent to which, and the purposes for which, Fusion and its client and Mr
Steele engaged with the media in relation to the contents of the memoranda;
viii) the circumstances in which Mr Steele and Orbis prepared the December
memorandum;
ix) the basis and terms on which Mr Steele transmitted a copy of the December
memorandum to Fusion/Senator McCain in December 2016;
x) whether Senator McCain or his representative, David Kramer, was responsible

for the dissemination of the December memorandum to the media; and

xi) the identity of the source of the allegations made against the US Plaintiffs in the
December memorandum.
35. It is submitted that the court’s findings in respect of these contested issues will be
central to its determination of liability in the QB proceedings. It should be noted that
in the Florida proceedings, the publication of exactly the same paragraph in the
December memorandum is complained of.
36. Various authorities have emphasised “the desirability of avoiding a dress rehearsal of
the cross examination”: see In re Castle New Homes Ltd per Slade J. at 1083 and In re
Franks, ex p Gittins per Vaughan Williams J. at 647-648 (see above Paragraph 31).
This reflects the inherent oppressiveness of requiring one party, but not the other, to
submit to detailed cross examination many months before the trial of a claim.
Oppression – the Request constitutes a fishing expedition
37. It is submitted that the Request was not subject to any form of judicial scrutiny, it is
formulaic in content and says nothing about the legal issues in respect of which it is
said the evidence sought is relevant witness evidence. There is no analysis of the topics
listed in Schedule A to explain what evidence Mr Steele can give in respect of each
topic relevant to the issues in the US proceedings.
38. In Mr Loble’s Second Witness Statement at paragraph 34 it is stated that “the key
evidence” sought is:
“the extent to which, if at all, Mr Steele verified the allegatio ns

against the Plaintiffs”. [1/10/70]
Mr Steele’s evidence in relation to that issue will not assist the US Plaintiffs as whatever
steps were taken will not demonstrate the truth or falsity of the allegations, and will be
completely irrelevant to the decision by the US Defendants to publish the dossier.
39. It is further not explained how the evidence sought which goes beyond that “key
evidence” is relevant to the Florida proceedings. The original drafting of Schedule A
to the Request makes it clear that what the US Plaintiffs are seeking is an impermiss ib le
fishing exercise ranging well beyond what is relevant to the issues in the Florida
proceedings. The order cannot be saved by the recent proposed amendments in draft
Amended Schedule A, because the areas of questioning still go too far beyond what is
required, and also constitute a wholesale rewriting of the Letter of Request which is not
permitted.
40. It is submitted that the rapid concessions made by the US Plaintiffs in November 2017
tacitly acknowledge that their application far exceeded what is permitted under the 1975
Act, and it is noteworthy that they have made no attempt to justify the breadth of the
topics in Schedule A to the November 2017 order.
41. The US Plaintiffs’ representatives have stated that the key factual issues in the Florida
proceedings are:
i) whether the publication of the allegations by the US Defendants was made

“negligently, without reasonable care as to their truth or falsity: with knowledge

of their falsity; and/or with reckless disregard for the truth or falsity of the
allegations”;
ii) whether the allegations made in relation to the Plaintiffs in the December 2016
Memorandum are true.
(Second Witness Statement of Steven Loble, Paragraph 10 [1/10/61].
42. The matters upon which Mr Steele will be required to testify under the November 2017
order go well beyond those issues. As to (i), Mr Steele will be unable to testify as to
the state of mind of the US Defendants, with whom he had no contact about the
publication in question. As to (ii), it is clear that the significant majority of the 14
subject matters listed in Schedule A to the November 2017 order have little or no
bearing upon the truth or falsity of the allegations about the US Plaintiffs. It is of
relevance that Mr Steele has chosen in the QB proceedings not to plead a defence of
truth, as this indicates that he cannot advance a case based on admissible evidence as
to the conduct of the US Plaintiffs/Claimants, to the effect that the allegations against
them in the relevant passage of the December memorandum are true.
43. Questions 11 to 14 of the original Schedule A seek to question Mr Steele about his
provision of the dossier to officials with responsibility for US and UK national security.
It is unclear how this will elicit any relevant probative evidence concerning the truth of
the allegations about the US Plaintiffs, or the state of mind of the US Defendants. Mr
Loble asserts at paragraph 26(iv) (3) of his second witness statement that:
“The circumstances of the provision of the dossier to various

parties identified in topics 6-9 [of draft amended Schedule A,
originally topics 11 to 13 and an additional question not
included in the Request] including whether cautions were given
to such parties about the unverified nature of the allegations in
the dossier and warnings not to publish the same without
independent verification. This evidence will go to the lack of
care exhibited by Buzzfeed.” [1/10/66]
44. It is submitted that this is a classic example of a speculative fishing expedition as:
i) There is no pleaded allegation in the Florida proceedings that Mr Steele did not
provide any “caution” when transmitting the December memorandum; and
ii) Whether or not he provided such caution is irrelevant to the truth of the
allegations or to the US Defendants’ state of mind and conduct in its decision to
publish the December memorandum.
45. Even if the order made is not in contravention of Mr Steele’s Article 6 rights it is
submitted that it is oppressive because:
i) For all the reasons above the wide-ranging nature of the topics advanced, most
of which have no relevance to what the US Plaintiffs state to be the key issues
in the Florida proceedings, indicate that the examination is intended to be a
speculative fishing expedition designed to discredit Mr Steele; and

ii) It gives the Claimants a “dry run” at cross-examination of Mr Steele prior to

exchanging the parties’ witness statements in the QB proceedings. Although,
the Plaintiffs say that they could elicit the same information by serving a Request
for Further Information in the QB proceedings, the Plaintiffs have already
served a Request and this has been answered. It is not necessarily the case that
the court would order Mr Steele to provide further information in response to a
further Request under Part 18. In any event, information elicited by a Request
for Further Information is not comparable to a three-hour examination, a three-
hour cross-examination and a one-hour re-examination (which is now sought).
iii) There is a risk to the confidentiality of Mr Steele/Orbis’ sources for the

intelligence in the dossier.
iv) Contractual confidentiality and national security reasons.
Oppression - Risk to Sources
46. Ms Cain at Paragraphs 40-44 of her Statement [1/3/16] gives evidence that the reports
prepared by Mr Steele which comprise the dossier were not intended for public
consumption and they were written accordingly. It is critical to Orbis and its directors
that there is no possibility whatsoever of anyone ever identifying its sources. The
dossier was sent to Fusion by encrypted email under obligations of confidentiality. The
distribution to Senator McCain was sent by the same method but by Fusion and via Mr
Kramer. It is therefore imperative that the court does not sanction any course of action
which would further increase the already significant risks of harm that the individ ua ls
face by virtue of unauthorised publication of the dossier by the US Defendants.
47. Mr Millar QC relies on the witness statement of Mr Lucas, a leading expert on the
Russian Federation, and the interplay between security intelligence, corruption and
abuse of power. At paragraph 26 of that statement he states that he:
“...is in no doubt that the Russian authorities wish to establish

the sources of the Orbis dossier through the defamatio n
litigation, arising out the publication of the dossier by Buzzfeed ”
[1/3A/20F].
48. At Paragraph 27 Mr Lucas states his view that the sources of information contained in
the dossier would face a grave risk of sanctions “from long jail sentences in harsh
conditions, to beatings and murder” [1/3A/20F]. He substantiates this by reference to
a number of specific examples of the harsh and violent treatment meted out to those
who have been perceived to have colluded with Russia’s enemies (paragraphs 10-24
[1/3A/20C -20F]).
49. Although the US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants have now confirmed in open court
that they are not seeking to identify Mr Steele’s sources of information it is submitted
that this is a bad point because:
i) The inclusion of paragraph 7 (Mr Steele’s sources of information) in Schedule

A to the November 2017 order reflects a clear wish on the part of the US
Plaintiffs to identify Mr Steele’s sources, notwithstanding the obvious risks to
them. The belated offer to remove paragraph 7 does not change this obvious

fact. It is also telling that the proposed revised draft of Schedule A does not
contain any provision that prohibits questions from being asked which are likely
or indeed intended to result in the identification of confidential sources.
ii) The continued existence of the desire to identify Mr Steele’s confidentia l

sources is explicitly reflected in the Claimants’ Reply in the QB proceedings
which states that:
“…..it may be necessary for the Defendants [sic Claimants] to

make an application for disclosure of the identity of any source
of the Allegations made against the Claimants in the December
memorandum” (Reply Paragraph 39 [2/11/162]).
iii) Even if paragraph 7 is removed from Schedule A, it is self evident that Mr

Steele’s answers to questions concerning the remaining subject matters covered
by Schedule A, for example, his “preparation of the dossier”, his “solicitation of
information for the dossier”, and his “work to verify allegations of the dossier”,
might reveal identification of sources even if the answers do not involve him in
naming any individuals. Evidence about these issues is likely to provide
information that would increase the already significant risk of identification of
the sources. In the context of protection of journalistic sources, and interfere nce
with Article 10 rights, the threshold considered by the ECHR recognises the
risks of “jigsaw identification” as a result of compelled answers/disclosure. The
court should ask whether the information sought is capable of identifying
sources in the same way as a direct question would be: Sanoma –v- Netherlands
[2011] EMLR 4 at [65] and [72].
50. The High Court has previously held that questioning that seeks disclosure of the
identities of confidential sources in an examination under section 2 of the 1975 Act
would be:
“disproportionate and unfair … bearing in mind the very real

risks that could arise for the sources themselves and … the
impact that such enforced disclosure might have on the
Respondents’ business and business reputations” (Rio Tinto Plc
–v- Vale SA [2015] EWHC 1865 (QB) per Andrews J at [47]).
51. This is consistent with the court’s positive obligations under Articles 2 and 3 of the
ECHR to protect the lives and bodily integrity of individuals who are known to be at
risk of serious harm at the hands of third parties, and its positive obligations under
Article 8 of the ECHR to ensure respect for private and family life. It is submitted that
the risk to Mr Steele’s confidential sources can only be eliminated by setting aside the
order.
Oppression - Confidentiality and National Security
52. In addition to the factors above there is a significant chance that Mr Steele’s
examination could trespass into sensitive areas of national security and/or require Mr
Steele to provide information which he is not at liberty to divulge without the explic it
consent of the FCO. In this regard, the GLD has indicated that it will consider seeking
a certificate under Section 3(3) of the 1975 Act. It is notable that the US Plaintiffs in

the Florida proceedings have not expressly disavowed any interest in inquiring into any
disclosure to a competent official or body for the legitimate purpose of national
security: see Paragraph 21(a) of the Defence [2/11/130] and Paragraph 19.1 of the
Reply in the QB Proceedings [2/11/154].
Mr Steele’s Alternative Application to Vary the Order
53. In the alternative it is submitted that if the court does not set aside the order it must be
varied to ensure that:-
i) The scope of the examination is limited to:
a) the steps that Mr Steele took to verify the allegations about the US
Plaintiffs contained in the words complained or pleaded in the US
Complaints; and
b) Buzzfeed’s acquisition of the December memorandum;
ii) Mr Steele will not be compelled to disclose any confidential information; and
iii) Mr Steele’s right to a fair trial in the QB proceedings is properly respected.
54. If the scope of the examination is limited as in (i) (a) above this would limit the scope
of irrelevant questioning and would reflect the US Plaintiffs’ position that:
“The thrust of the [intended] questioning is whether or not the

contents of the relevant paragraph of the dossier, which is
attached to the Schedule, were verified or not.” [2/11/221].
55. The order, if not set aside, must as an absolute minimum be varied so that the terms of
Schedule A to the November 2017 order are modified so as include the new provisio ns
identified in the draft order to Mr Steele’s application namely:
i) The duration of the examination permitted is substantially reduced to a total of

no more than 3 hours, so as to reduce the scope for a roving inquisition;
ii) There is an express provision that prevents any questions from being asked
which would require the disclosure of any confidential information includ ing
(but not limited to) information that would in the ordinary course:-
a) require the consent of Mr Steele’s former Crown employer before

disclosure;
b) increase the existing risk of confidential intelligence sources being

identified; or
c) risk disclosure of information concerning processes of intellige nce

gathering known to Crown servants.
iii) There is an express provision that prevents any question from being asked that
would require the disclosure of any legally privileged information; and

iv) Mr Steele’s legal representatives be permitted to attend the examination in order

to advise Mr Steele and object to the asking of any questions that are not
permitted by the order.
In relation to the application of the US Defendants
56. It is submitted that with regard to the US Defendants’ application, the Court has no duty
to assist the US parties, and its only duty is to the Florida Court in its response to the
Request issued at the request of the US Plaintiffs. If the US Defendants want to achieve
a different form of order they would need to apply to apply for their own Letter of
Request. Their intervention is an opportunistic attempt at fishing and the Court has no
jurisdiction to make the order that they seek.
Summary of the US Plaintiffs’ Submissions
57. The key factual issues in the US proceedings are:
i) whether the publication of the defamatory allegations by the US Defendants was

made “negligently without reasonable care as to their truth or falsity; without
knowledge of their falsity; and/or with reckless disregard for the truth or falsity
of the allegations”;
ii) whether the allegations made in relation to the US Plaintiffs are true
(US complaint [2/11/170-174]).
58. In the QB proceedings the key issue is whether Mr Steele/Orbis were responsible for
the publication of the defamatory statement. Thus, the factual enquiry in the Englis h
proceedings will not focus on the truth or falsity of the defamatory allegation which is
presumed to be false, and the QB Defendants have not contended otherwise. (This is
contrary to the position in the Florida proceedings where the US Plaintiffs have the
burden of proving that the allegations are false).
59. Following the service of the order there was correspondence between the US Plaintiffs’
solicitors and Mr Steele’s solicitors as a result of which the US Plaintiffs agreed to the
following: -
i) they would not seek to identify Mr Steele’s sources;
ii) to restrict the subject matter of the examination, excluding from the list of topics
at Schedule A the identity of Mr Steele’s sources, and to limit the questions
relating to all topics except the first (Mr Steele’s background) to the specific
paragraph in the December Memorandum which contains the defamatory
statement;
iii) to amend the order to reflect the above agreement.
Despite Mr Steele not agreeing to the amended order the US Plaintiffs remain content
that the court should amend the November 2017 order to reflect that proposal.

Relevance
60. The court had jurisdiction to make the order under the 1975 Act.
61. The court’s starting point should be that it will ordinarily give effect to a request for
assistance from a foreign court in obtaining evidence so far as it is proper and
practicable and to the extent permissible under English law, to reflect judicial and
international comity: CPR 34.21.2; Rio Tinto Zinc v Westinghouse per Lord Denning at
560H.
62. The Request confirms that:
“the Court considers that the evidence sought is directly relevant

to the issues in dispute, and it is not discovery within the meaning
of Article 23 of the Hague Evidence Convention, that is,
discovery intending to lead to relevant evidence for trial.”
[2/12/230]
and
“For the reasons set forth above, the United States District Court
… believes that the witnesses … will be able to provide evidence
directly relevant to the main issues between the parties, and
without which the ends of justice could not properly be met. The
United States District Court … believes that this information is
not available from any other source”. [2/12/238]
63. The trial in the Florida proceedings is now likely to start in August 2018.
64. In the ordinary way and in the absence of evidence to the contrary the court should be
prepared to accept the statement of the Florida court in the Request that the evidence is
required for the purposes of the Florida proceedings and that the evidence is directly
relevant to the issues at trial: CPR 34.21.2; Rio Tinto Zinc v Westinghouse per Lord
Diplock at 634A and following and Lord Keith at 654G; First American per Sir Richard
Scott at 1165B - C, 1166F.
65. It is clear that Mr Steele has knowledge of the matters in issue at the trial and he does
not suggest otherwise, and indeed is the person who has most knowledge of the majority
of relevant matters.
66. The evidence that Mr Steele is being asked to give is directly relevant to the issues in
dispute in the Florida proceedings and the list of topics in the US Plaintiffs’ draft
amended Schedule A. The Florida court has confirmed in the Request that without Mr
Steele’s evidence the ends of justice cannot properly be met.
67. Mr Steele’s defence in the QB proceedings does not address the key issues in the Florida
proceedings, namely the lack of verification of the information contained in the dossier,
and in any event would be likely to be inadmissible as hearsay (Loble 2 paragraph
26(ii)) [1/10/66].
68. It is submitted that the court should not go behind the statement of the Florida court
with regard to the relevance of the evidence sought, and that the criticisms of the Florida

court made on behalf of Mr Steele are wrong because the truth of the defamatio n
statements in the US proceedings are in issue, and the US Plaintiffs have the burden of
proving the falsity of those statements. The Florida court was persuaded that Mr Steele
has relevant evidence to the issues in the case. The US Defendants did not contest the
US Plaintiffs’ application for the Request [1/5/23, Paragraph 8] which is unsurpris ing
because they also consider Mr Steele’s evidence to be relevant.
69. The reasons why the US Plaintiffs were prepared to compromise and vary the topics for
examination in Schedule A was not because they did not consider they were relevant,
but for reasons of pragmatism. It should be noted that the Florida court had already
determined the issue of relevance and so dismissed Mr Steele’s motion to dismiss the
Letter of Request. In addition, on Mr Steele’s behalf it was said that the examina tio n
would be prohibited by English law which is untrue. The Florida court simply held
that the English court would protect Mr Steele against any questioning which is contrary
to the law in the United Kingdom. There is no evidence to suggest that the Florida
court is wrong.
70. It is submitted that the submissions on behalf of Mr Steele ignore the fact that in the
Florida proceedings the truth of the publication is in issue, so it is necessary to
understand the circumstances in which the allegations came to be made. It is clear from
the US Plaintiffs’ complaint in the Florida proceedings that they consider the
information included in the dossier was “unverified” and as the US Plaintiffs are
seeking to prove a negative i.e., that the allegations and the publication are untrue, it is
important to have evidence from the person who wrote the dossier. The US Plaintif fs
will have to seek to undermine the creditability of the allegations in that part of the
dossier. The dissemination of the dossier, and when Mr Steele first published the
December Memorandum to third parties, are also matters relevant to the issue of
culpability of the US Defendants and their state of mind when they published.
71. The US Plaintiffs submit that the topics for examination as in the proposed redrafted
order and draft amended Schedule A are not unfair to Mr Steele. In paragraph 1 of
Schedule A Mr Steele’s background is relevant to the likelihood of his evidence being
true or false. Paragraphs 2-5 are applicable to a limited period of time between about
October and December 2016, and are limited to paragraph 3 of the December
Memorandum. They are not topics that are vague or uncertain and do not suggest a
roving enquiry. On the contrary they are clear and discrete topics. With regards to
paragraphs 6 to 9, these all relate to the provision of documents to third parties, relevant
to the issues of publication by the US Defendants. In summary, the Plaintiffs have
acted reasonably in response to requests by Mr Steele as to his concerns about
protecting his sources and national security issues.
Protection of Sources
72. The US Plaintiffs have already and prior to the issue of Mr Steele’s applicatio n
confirmed that the examination will not seek to identify Mr Steele’s sources of
information and have removed this paragraph from the topics in the draft Amended
Schedule A. The US Plaintiffs are content that this express confirmation be recorded
in the court’s order on Mr Steele’s application.

73. In any event, it in fact appears to be the case of much of the damage (in terms of risk to
sources) has already been done by reason of the preparation of the dossier and its
publication.
National Security
74. Neither Mr Steele nor the FCO have provided any information as to what issues of
national security would be engaged by the proposed questioning, and the FCO have not
yet sought a section 3(3) Certificate under the 1975 Act. The US Plaintiffs’
representatives have asked the FCO to identify which of the topics were of concern to
the FCO in the hope of finding accommodation for those concerns, but no substantive
response was received, save for confirmation that the FCO intends to consider whether
to issue a section 3(3) Certificate “in the event that it becomes necessary to do so
following the determination of Mr Steele’s application”. [2/14/323]. Thus the US
Plaintiffs have had no assistance on this point.
75. In any event, the topics which are listed in the draft Amended Schedule A have already
been the subject of extensive publicity in the context of the entire dossier, both from
information ultimately coming from Mr Steele and more recently in the publication of
Mr Simpson’s evidence to Congress.
76. Mr Steele has been content to talk to journalists about the dossier; by way of example :-
i) articles in Mother Jones dated 31st October 2016 [2/14/313], and 13th January
2017 [2/14/315, 316, 317]; from those articles it is apparent that pre-election
memos have been provided to a journalist at Mother Jones, David Corn [
2/14/312-314 and 315-317];
ii) article in the Guardian dated 12th May 2017 [2/14/268-271];
iii) extract from “Collusion – Secret Meetings, Dirty Money and how Russia helped
Donald Trump win” by Luke Harding [2/14/309-311]. Information was given
by Mr Steele to Mr Luke Harding, a Guardian journalist, for this book. The
book traces Mr Steele’s career as an ‘MI6 Officer’ and records the off the record
meetings which Mr Steele had with a number of American journalists from the
New York Times, The Washington Post, Yahoo! News, the New Yorker and
CNN.
iv) extracts from evidence provided by Mr Glenn Simpson to the Senate Judiciar y
Committee of the US Senate, Washington DC on 22 nd August 2017. [2/15/415,
418, 476, 533, 539, 559 and 601].
Thus, a substantial amount of information was given by Mr Steele to journalists to

create interest so that the press would put pressure on the FBI to investigate, so a
considerable amount of the material has been put into the public domain.
Abuse of Process
77. The allegation in Ms Cain’s witness statement at paragraph 52(a) [1/3/18] that the US
Plaintiffs’ motive is to pressurise Mr Steele/Orbis and their sources by gaining access
to highly confidential information, leaving those involved in putting the dossier

together exposed to attack outside the courtroom, is without foundation and should be
withdrawn. The Florida court has confirmed, and it is obvious the evidence sought is
directly relevant to the issues in the Florida proceedings and that is the motive for the
US Plaintiffs wishing to examine Mr Steele.
78. In any event, the purpose of the instruction of Fusion, which hired Orbis, was to obtain
information to undermine the Trump Presidential campaign (see Washington Post
Article [2/14/1259]) so the specific purpose for which Orbis/Mr Steele was hired was
to collect information to be used publicly: see Loble 2 Paragraph 27(ii), (i), (3) and (4)
[1/10/67-68] and extracts from Mr Simpson’s evidence at [2/15/533, 539, 599].
Article 6 ECHR
79. It is submitted that an assertion that the order amounts to a breach of Mr Steele’s ECHR
Article 6 rights, because he may be examined prior to disclosure, exchange of witness
statements and cross-examination in the QB proceedings is misconceived because: -
i) the order has been obtained because Mr Steele’s evidence is directly relevant in
the Florida proceedings and cannot be obtained in any other way;
ii) the key evidence (as to whether the allegations were verified) is of no or
marginal relevance to the English proceedings;
iii) the remainder of the topics relate to the provision of the dossier to third parties
which will be potentially relevant in the QB proceedings, but there is no breach
of Mr Steele’s Article 6 rights in being required to be examined on the same
topics pursuant to the order. Mr Steele has no right to silence in the Englis h
proceedings. On the contrary, he will be required to state the evidence he
wishes to give ahead of trial in a witness statement. Moreover, he could be
required to provide further information on the relevant issues prior to the date
for exchange of witness statements should an application for further informatio n
be made, particularly as the issues are peculiarly within his or Orbis’ knowledge
and not that of the Claimants in the QB proceedings. The suggestion that to
require Mr Steele to answer questions on the topics in the draft Amended
Schedule A will give the Claimants in the QB proceedings “an unwarranted
advantage” and create an “inequality of arms” in the English proceedings is
misconceived. See Secretary of State v Crane and Rio Tinto Zinc v
Westinghouse, Lord Wilberforce at 611G-H.
80. No further variation to the order is therefore necessary or appropriate. The Examiner
will ensure that the examination is conducted fairly and in accordance with the order
and the CPR. In the event that Mr Steele objects to answering any questions the
provisions of paragraph 4.5 of CPR 34 APD.4.5 will apply or CPR 34.20 if an objection
is based on privilege.
81. With regard to Mr Steele’s alternative argument that the time limit for the examina tio n
should be three hours, Mr Loble’s evidence is that the attorneys for the US Plaintiffs do
not expect the examination to take the six hours allowed for, but given the costs
associated with obtaining the order and attending the examination it would be unwise
to impose an artificially limited time in which to conduct the examination. The revised
timetable has been agreed between the US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants, so that

they have equal time between them for questions. Finally, the US Plaintiffs are content
for the order to recite that Mr Steele should be permitted to have legal representation at
the examination for the purpose solely of taking any proper objection that might be
taken to questions put to him in the course of examination should he wish to do.
Oppression
82. The fact that Mr Steele will be giving evidence at an earlier time in relation to matters
which will be canvassed in the QB proceedings does not matter if it is relevant to the
US proceedings. This much is clear from the authorities, see Rio Tinto Zinc v
Westinghouse in the judgment of Wilberforce LJ at page 611G and Micro Technologies
at Paragraphs 52, 54. The clear area of distinction is where fraud is alleged, and this
is not a fraud case.
83. Mr Steele’s evidence is likely to be exculpatory of him and it is likely to reflect that
which he has already said in his Statements of Case in the QB proceedings. In any
event, the English approach to litigation is “cards on the table”, and the informa tio n
will be in his witness statement in the QB proceedings in due course in any event.
Generally
84. As the US trial is now in August 2018 and in the QB proceedings a CMC has not yet
been held, the US proceedings will proceed more quickly and Mr Steele may be assisted
by hearing Mr Gubarev’s evidence in the Florida proceedings. Again, if there are to
be contribution proceedings against the US Defendants Mr Steele may be helped by the
evidence in the US trial, and in any event, such proceedings would not be dealt with
until after the QB proceedings have been determined.
In relation to the US Defendants’ application
85. It is submitted that the US Defendants’ application demonstrates internal inconsiste nc y

because on the one hand: -
i) it is neutral on Mr Steele’s application to set aside the order;
ii) it seeks an order that the US Defendants’ English counsel and solicitors be
permitted to attend the examination to advise the US Defendants and object to
the asking of any questions not permitted by the order.
86. On the other hand, the US Defendants seeks to vary the Amended Schedule A as
proposed by the US Plaintiffs but to re-expand the ambit of topics 5-9 to relate to the
entire dossier, not just the relevant paragraph within the December Memorandum.
87. Otherwise the US Plaintiffs are neutral on the US Defendants’ application.
Summary of the US Defendants’ submissions on Mr Steele’s application and their own

application
88. The US Defendants are neutral in respect of Mr Steele’s application to set aside the
November 2017 order.
89. If that order is not set aside the US Defendants seek to vary the order as follows:

i) to permit them to ask questions relating to the dossier as a whole, (as is sought
in the Request) and not merely paragraph 3 of the December Memorandum;
ii) to clarify that the US Defendants will not ask questions which would require the
disclosure of any confidential source or method of information gathering by Mr
Steele;
iii) to ensure that the questioning time of Mr Steele is equally divided between US
Plaintiffs and the US Defendants and not unduly time restricted overall; and to
permit the Defendants’ English legal team to attend the examination of Mr
Steele.
90. The US Defendants submit that although both the US Plaintiffs and Mr Steele have
raised issues in correspondence as to the US Defendants’ entitlement to be heard in
relation to the order of November 2017, no formal objection has been raised to the US
Defendants’ participation since their application has been issued. In any event, such an
objection would be untenable because:
i) the right of a party to the foreign proceedings to challenge an order made unde r
the 1975 Act is established: see White Book paragraph 34.21.18; Land Rover
North America Inc –v- Windh [2005] EWHC 432 (QB);
ii) further the November 2017 order expressly provides that: “the parties and the
witness are at liberty to apply to the Senior Master or in her absence another
Master” [1/9/56].
iii) the order confers on the US Defendants a right to question Mr Steele in

accordance with the right to cross-examine provided for in the Request to which
the November 2017 order gives the effect. The US Defendants are entitled are
to be heard before any order is made by which those rights are modified or
curtailed. In circumstances where the examination procedure is intended to
replicate the giving of evidence at the trial in the Florida proceedings, any
suggestion that the US Defendants can have no say in the conduct of the
examination would be misguided.
91. The proposed amendments to the November 2017 order and Schedule A as submitted
by the US Plaintiffs are more extensive than the US Defendants accept is appropriate.
Their primary submission in relation to both the proposed variations to the order by the
US Plaintiffs and by Mr Steele is that neither accords with the principle that, in
exercising its powers under the 1975 Act, the English court should give effect to the
request of the foreign court so far as possible and proper. See Rio Tinto Zinc
Corporation –v- Westinghouse Electric at pages 611H-612A, 618D-E, 634A-C and
654C. Both sets of proposals represent an unjustified departure from the terms of the
Request. The US Defendants’ application is brought with the aim of ensuring that
proper effect is given to the Request and that modifications are made only in so far as
is necessary.
92. The English court should be extremely slow to depart from the views of the US Court
as to the relevant issues and appropriate topics for questioning. There must be a proper
evidential basis before the English court can begin to consider going behind the finding
of the requesting court as to the reasons which justify the making of the Request (see

Rio Tinto at page 634B). The English court ought not to embark on any exercise which
restructures or recasts the original Request so that it becomes different in substance
from the original Request. (See White Book Commentary at 34.2.1.2 - General
Principles for complying with foreign request for evidence).
93. In any event, it is plain that the issues in the Florida proceedings justify questioning on
a broader scope of subjects than that proposed by Mr Steele, those issues include the
following: -
i) whether the alleged defamatory allegations about the US Plaintiffs contained in

the dossier published by the US Defendants are true;
ii) whether the dossier is a fair and true report of an official proceeding;
iii) whether the US Defendants acted with malice, irresponsibly or negligently in

publishing the dossier;
iv) whether the publication of the dossier as a whole is protected as neutral

reportage.
94. The conduct of both the US Defendants and Mr Steele in relation to the whole of the
dossier is therefore clearly an issue in the Florida proceedings. Subject to issues of
source protection and confidentiality, the parties are entitled to question Mr Steele on
his employment background at least in general terms, and on his verification of
allegations in the dossier and on the steps he took in providing it to others.
95. The revised Schedule A proposed by Mr Steele would mean that the relevant issues
concerning the US Defendants’ and Mr Steele’s conduct vís a vís the dossier would not
be fairly explored. It would be unduly restrictive to permit questioning of Mr Steele
solely about his verification and distribution of paragraph 3 of the December
Memorandum in circumstances where the US court would be required to assess the
propriety of the US Defendants’ decision to publish the dossier as a whole, in the light
of the public interest reasons which favoured the publication of the dossier and the steps
taken by Mr Steele to verify its contents and disseminate it to other third parties. To
allow questioning on a single paragraph of the dossier notwithstanding that the steps
taken by the US Defendants were informed by the contents of the dossier as whole,
would be artificial and insufficient.
96. However, the US Defendants are content to agree to variations to the November 2017
order that seek to clarify that Mr Steele will not be asked about his confidential sources
or information, and/or to avoid duplication in the list of subjects. The US Defendants
do take issue with the proposed narrowing of paragraphs 5-9 of Schedule A so that they
only refer to Paragraph 3 of the December Memorandum of the dossier. It is submitted
that questions relating to the verification of the dossier as a whole and the steps taken
by Mr Steele to disseminate it are relevant to the Florida proceedings, and the parties
should be permitted to pose such questions to Mr Steele. The US Plaintiffs seems to
have accepted this position in part: see Loble 2 Paragraphs 26(3) [1/10/66] and
Paragraph 34(iii), (v) [1/10/71].
97. The US Defendants’ proposed variations to the draft order seek to balance Mr Steele’s
concerns to protect confidential sources and methods of information gathering with the

need to give effect to the Request and ensure that the relevant issues are addressed in
the examination. The US Defendants suggest a general restriction of any questions
which would require the disclosure of confidential information, and a focusing of the
subject in Schedule A. Paragraphs 5-9 of the Schedule A in the US Defendants’ draft
order preserves the right of the parties to question Mr Steele on certain matters relating
to the dossier as a whole, not simply on the single paragraph which refers to the US
Plaintiffs.
98. The following variations are agreed by the US Plaintiffs in relation to the conduct of
the examination but not by Mr Steele. The duration of the examination is intended as
far as possible to replicate the procedure of giving of evidence in the US proceedings.
The US Defendants propose that the US Plaintiffs should be entitled to examine in chief
and the US Defendants permitted to cross-examine Mr Steele for up to three hours each,
and the US Plaintiffs should be permitted to re-examine Mr Steele for up to one hour.
Adequate time will need to be set aside to ensure that Mr Steele’s evidence is properly
explored. There should also be parity between the US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants
as to the duration of their questioning, and it is submitted that Mr Steele’s proposal of
just 30 minutes for cross-examination is inadequate. The US Defendants also seek
permission for their English counsel and solicitors to attend the examination as the
procedure is required to be conducted in accordance with English law and practice.
DISCUSSION
Jurisdiction
99. The starting point is the well known quotation by Lord Denning in Westinghouse at
560H:
“It is our duty and our pleasure to do all we can to assist that
Court, just as we would expect the United States to help us in
like circumstances. “Do unto others as you would be done by”.
100. See also Simon J (as he then was) in Credit Suisse at §14, where he quoted Kerr LJ’s
judgment in State of Norway at page 470B:
“The Court should strive to give effect to the request of the

Foreign Court unless it is driven to the clear conclusion that it
cannot properly do so”.
101. The authorities make it clear that the English court should try to give effect to a letter
of request from a foreign court, for reasons of judicial and international comity (Rio
Tinto v Westinghouse at 560H; Genira Trade v Refco at §28).
102. The court’s jurisdiction to make an order pursuant to a letter of request from a country
or territory outside the United Kingdom is granted by the 1975 Act. With regard to a
request for oral evidence by way of examination the only restrictions imposed on the
court’s jurisdiction are under:
i) Section 2(3) - no requirement for any particular steps to be taken unless they are
steps that can be required to be taken by way of obtaining evidence for the
purposes of civil proceedings inn this court;

ii) Sections 3 (1) and (2) in respect of privileged evidence; and
iii) where a certificate is issued under section 3(3).
103. Thus, under section 2(3) a witness cannot be compelled to give evidence if the court is
satisfied that the evidence sought is not primarily for the purposes of trial (see Credit
Suisse, Simon J. §14 and the authorities referred to). Mr Steele relies on this section
of the 1975 Act, contending that the court has no jurisdiction to make the order because
it can infer an impermissible purpose from the width of the topics upon which the US
Plaintiffs have sought to examine Mr Steele, namely that the US Plaintiffs want to
conduct a wide ranging investigation to attack the creditability of Mr Steele and his
sources and to discredit the dossier as a whole.
Relevant Evidence
104. I must first consider whether the intended witness can reasonably be expected to have
relevant evidence to give on the topics mentioned in the Schedule, described in First
American, at 1165D, by the Vice-Chancellor as the first question for consideration. I
note also that Simon J. in Credit Suisse at §14, in what he described as the fourth
guiding proposition to be gleaned from the authorities, stated:
“If the letter of request states that a particular person is a

necessary witness then the English court should not itself embark
upon an investigation as to whether the requesting court is
correct for the purpose of determining in advance whether the
evidence is relevant and admissible.”
105. In my judgment it is obvious that the author of the paragraph complained of in the
Florida proceedings would be a relevant witness in defamation proceedings which are
entirely based on the allegations in that paragraph, in a jurisdiction where the Plaintif fs
have to prove that the allegations are false. I accept Mr Millar’s submissions that the
evidence as to what, if any, verification was carried out in respect of the informa tio n
contained in that paragraph, will not necessarily answer the question of whether that
information is true or false, but it may very well inform and assist the Florida court, and
the parties, in relation to that issue. It is evidence relevant to that issue. It is invid io us
for this court to attempt to assess the relevance of Mr Steele’s evidence in respect of
defences relied upon by the US Defendants which are not available in English law
defamation proceedings, and as I have concluded that Mr Steele is a relevant witness
on the issues that the US Plaintiffs seek to prove to the Florida Court, I do not have to
do so, save that if I decide that the order should not be set aside but varied, which I deal
with later in this judgment.
106. I further conclude that the evidence is required for trial, and not for ‘oral discovery’ (as
described in Simon J.’s ‘fifth proposition’ in Credit Suisse at §14). See Gredd v Busson
at §27(4):
“Particularly pertinent will be the stage at which the order is

sought and the extent to which the party seeking the order is able
to demonstrate that the information sought is relevant to the
issues in the foreign proceedings in the sense of being capable of
being adduced at trial in support of those issues.”

And at §27(9):
“The fact that the evidence sought is described in wide or general

terms is not inconsistent with its being sought for the trial.”
The evidence shows that the trial was originally fixed for 19 March 2018 but I am
informed that it is now listed for August 2018. See by analogy Land Rover v Windh at
§23(ii).
107. It is clear from the authorities that it is impermissible to use the Act “for the purpose of
wide-ranging and unfocused enquiries in the hope that something will turn up”: Credit
Suisse Simon J. at §14, or the “roving inquiry” described by Lord Justice Kerr in State
of Norway at 482F. See also Sir Richard Scott’s comments in First American at 1165D
and 1166D.
108. It is indeed unfortunate that such a wide-ranging Request was sought, combined with
the fact that in none of the documents in the Florida proceedings is there any analysis
of how each topic for examination relates to and is relevant to the issues in the trial.
That causes a particular problem for this court, given the clear guidance in the
authorities that relevance is primarily within the remit of the foreign court, for obvious
reasons. (See Westinghouse, Lord Keith page 654F-G; Asbestos Insurance Coverage
Cases [1985] 1WLR 331 Lord Fraser page 339; and Credit Suisse, Simon J. §14).
109. This problem was addressed by Simon J. in Credit Suisse at §14, when he quoted Sir
Richard Scott’s observations in First American at 1165D-E:
“In summary, in considering the letters of request in this case the

court should, in my opinion, ask first whether the intended
witnesses can reasonably be expected to have relevant evidence
to give on the topics mentioned in the amended schedule of
requested testimony, and second whether the intentio n
underlying the formulation of those topics is an intention to
obtain evidence for use at the trial or is some other investigator y,
and therefore, impermissible intention”.
And went on to say at §15:
“It seems to me, however, that Mr Howard QC, Counsel for the
Claimant, is correct in his submission that the approach of the
court will depend on whether the requesting court has itself
considered questions of relevance. If it has, then it is hardly in
the interests of comity that the court to whom the request is made
should embark on a close consideration of questions of relevance
on what is likely to be more limited material and a less clear
understanding of the issues than the requesting court. If, on the
other hand, the requesting court has plainly not considered the
question of relevance or it is clear, even on a broad examinatio n,
that the evidence is not relevant then the Vice-Chancellor’s first
question must be addressed.”

110. I note also the comments of Stanley Burnton J. (as he then was) in Gredd v Busson at
§27(7) and (8):
“(7) This court will take into account anything in the evidence
before it that indicates that the party that obtained the order for
the letter of request appreciated and took into account the
differences between United States and English procedural rules.
(8) Similarly, the court will take into account evidence that the
US judge appreciated and took into account those differences. In
this connection, this court appreciates that orders for letters of
request are normally made by the US judge without any real
scrutiny. The order is normally made in the terms sought by the
applicant without any (or any significant) amendment and
without the judge being informed of the significant differe nces
between US federal procedure and of these courts."
111. I have been taken in some detail to the statements of case in the Florida proceedings
and in my judgment it is apparent, despite the assertion in the Request that the Florida
court considers the evidence of Mr Steele as sought to be relevant to the issues in the
case, that the requesting court has not in fact considered the question of the relevance
of the individual topics for examination to the issues between the parties independently,
but has accepted the list of topics requested by the US Plaintiffs without question. I
reach this conclusion because there is no evidence in those court documents that it has
done so, and neither of the parties to the Florida proceedings sought to suggest
otherwise. Further, it appears that much of the evidence sought in the topics for
examination is not in fact relevant to the issues in the US proceedings. That much is
clear from the US Plaintiffs’ ready concession to delete many of the topics for
examination in Schedule A to the November 2017 order, and to further limit that order
and Schedule A beyond what was requested by the Florida court (although I note that
the US Plaintiffs state that this was done by reason of pragmatism, and make no
concession that the topics for examination are not all relevant). Save for primarily one
issue, (whether certain of the topics should be restricted to paragraph 3 of the December
Memorandum or left as stated in the Request, in respect of the entirety of the dossier),
the US Defendants also accept such deletions and limitations.
112. Finally, the Florida court itself appears to accept that this court may impose limitatio ns
on the ambit of the evidence sought, by the words in the Order of 15 August 2017,
dismissing Mr Steele’s motion to intervene to oppose the Request:
“Mr Steele seeks to intervene on the grounds that his deposition

is prohibited by British law. This Court presumes, however, that
the Senior Master of the Court of Judicature, Queen’s Bench
Division, will limit the scope of the Request pursuant to British
law …… The Court, therefore, denies Mr Steele’s request to
intervene, trusting that his rights under British law will be
protected by the British Court.” [2/13/246]
113. As I have concluded that Mr Steele does have relevant evidence to give and that the
evidence is sought for use at trial, I do not consider that the width of the examina tio n
sought in the Request, reflected in the November 2017 order, necessarily deprives the

court of jurisdiction, although this also is a matter for consideration in the exercise of
the court’s discretion; see the observations of Sir Richard Scott in First American at
page 1163H -1164:
“If oral evidence is being sought for the purpose of use at trial
and if there is good reason to believe that the intended witness
has knowledge of matters in issue at the trial so as to be likely to
be able to give evidence relevant to those issues, I do not
understand how an application to have the intended witness
orally examined can be described as “fishing”. It cannot be
necessary that it be known in advance what answers to the
questions the witness can give. Nor can it be necessary that the
answers will be determinative of one or other of the issues in the
action. Section 2(2) of the Act of 1975 bars the court from
making an order for oral testimony to be taken pursuant to a letter
of request unless the order is of a type that could have been made
for the purpose of obtaining oral testimony for domestic
litigation. In the case of a witness who there is reason to believe
has relevant evidence to give, a subpoena served on the witness
in order to obtain his evidence for trial could not be set aside on
the ground that it was “fishing”. In a comparable case, a court
would not be deprived by section 2(2) of power to accede to a
letter of request. The question whether, as a matter of discretion,
the court would be prepared to make an order pursuant to the
letter of request, and if so what order, would be another matter.
But there would be no jurisdictional reason why the court should
not make the order sought.”
Mr Steele’s Rights under Article 6 ECHR
114. In Micro Technologies Morris J. at §120 stated:
“…the question whether an order for examination would infr inge

Mr Hussain’s rights under Article 6 ECHR is a question of law
and not one for the discretion of the Court as to whether to give
effect to a letter of request under the 1975 Act.”
115. The case of Dombo Beheer establishes the general principle that a party’s Article 6
rights to a fair trial may be breached if national authorities do not ensure that the
requirements of a “fair hearing” are met, and that “the requirement of ‘equality of arms’
in a sense of a ‘fair balance’ between the parties” applies both in civil and crimina l
proceedings. At paragraph 1(b) of the summary it is stated:
“It implies that each party must be afforded a reasonable

opportunity to present his case including his evidence under
conditions that do not place him at a substantial disadvantage
vis-à-vis his opponent.”
116. The issue of whether a fair balance is preserved when making an order for examina tio n
of a witness who is also a party to English proceedings covering the same issues has

been considered in authorities namely: Westinghouse in the judgment of Lord

Wilberforce at 611G-H:
“Unless a case of bad faith is made against Westinghouse (which

is expressly disclaimed) it is impossible to deny that the letters
rogatory were issued for the purposes of obtaining evidence in
the Richmond proceedings. The fact, if it be so, that evidence
so obtained may be used in other proceedings and indeed may be
central in those proceedings is no reason for refusing to allow it
to be requested: all evidence, once brought out in court, is in
the public domain, and to accept the argument would largely
stultify the letters rogatory procedure”.
117. In First American Sir Richard Scott stated at page 1168F-G:
“I would not refuse to give effect to these letters of request on

the ground that the main purpose underlying them was not to
obtain evidence for the existing action but was to obtain evidence
for a contemplated action against Price Waterhouse,”
118. I accept the submissions of the US Plaintiffs that it is clear from the authorities that any
requirement for Mr Steele to give evidence in foreign proceedings prior to, and on the
same issues as he would be giving in the QB proceedings does not, without more,
breach his Article 6 rights.
Discretion
Oppression
119. Although this ground relies partly on the same matters as the jurisdictional arguments,
setting aside on this ground is a matter of discretion rather than of jurisdiction.
120. I reach the conclusion that the requirement to give evidence at an earlier stage than in
the QB proceedings is not of itself oppressive, absent issues of allegations of fraudule nt
conduct.
121. It is clear from the authorities that the mere fact that Mr Steele will be required to give
evidence which he might also give in the QB proceedings, and at an earlier stage, does
not of itself, unless fraud is alleged, make the request oppressive (see First American
at 1168F-G and Micro Technologies at §154).
122. In First American the issue of oppression was considered and in the headnote at page
1154 it is stated:
“as a matter of discretion a request for oral testimony should only

be acceded to where there was sufficient ground for believing
that an intended witness might have relevant evidence to give on
topics which were relevant to the issues in the action; that in all
but the clearest cases the decision as to whether particular
answers, or answers on particular topics, would constitute
relevant admissible evidence was primarily a matter for the

foreign court and as a general rule English courts should,

therefore, accede to letters of request issued by foreign courts if
they could properly do so; but that it would not be proper to do
so where the burden imposed on the intended witness was
oppressive.”
123. Sir Richard Scott at page 1167F-G cited Lord Woolf ‘s judgment in State of Minnesota
at §18.
“because of the need to hold the balance between the requesting

court and the witnesses who are to be examined, if the request is
given effect, the court will not allow uncertain, vague or other
objectionable requests to be implemented. A witness is entitled
to know within reasonable limits the matters about which he or
she is to be examined”.
124. In Gredd –v- Busson Stanley Burnton J. said at §27(9):
“The fact that the evidence sought is described in wide or general

terms is not inconsistent with its being sought for the trial. There
will be occasions where the subject matter of the testimony
sought is so extensive as to preclude specification. However,
where that is the case, the court in the exercise of its discretion
may refuse to make an order on the basis that it would be
oppressive to the witness to require him to prepare himself to
give evidence and to require him to give evidence without
sufficient identification of the matters to be addressed. See State
of Minnesota –v- Philip Morris Incorporated & Ors., a decision
of the Court of Appeal of 30th July 1997.”
125. The topics for questioning are not vague and uncertain but they are, in my judgment ,
wide and far-ranging far beyond what appears to be required by the limited ambit of the
Florida proceedings, for all the reasons advanced on behalf of Mr Steele, and to that
extent, in the particular circumstances of this case, (to which I refer in more detail
below) I have concluded that, as originally drafted, they are so wide as to constitute a
fishing expedition. I reach that conclusion by reference to all the evidence and all the
circumstances of this case.
General Considerations in relation to Oppression
126. This is an unusual, and probably unique, case, where the witness is in many respects in
the same position as a whistle-blower, because of the actions taken by him after the
2016 Presidential election, in sending the December memorandum to Senator McCain
and to a senior government national security official, and in briefing sections of
the US media.
127. I consider that the comments of Mrs Justice Andrews in Rio Tinto v Vale at §37 to 38,
although made in the different context of the confidentiality of journalists’ sources, and
the protection of whistle blowers, are apposite in this case:

“37. Nevertheless, it seems to me that in this rather differe nt

context, the court may take judicial cognizance of the truism that
even in a democratic society such as this jurisdiction or the
United States, whistle-blowers may be castigated for speaking
out and suffer prejudice to themselves or their families, whether
or not they act within the four corners of the law and whether or
not they are exposing wrongdoing. Human nature is such that
those who engage in corruption, particularly if they are in
positions of power, do not take kindly to their wrongdoing being
exposed. There are many corners of the globe where journalis ts
are targeted and even imprisoned for fair and impartial reporting,
or accused of being spies. This jurisdiction expressly recognizes
the importance of keeping confidential the identity of journalis ts’
sources (indeed there is legislation to protect them) and I accept
Mr George’s submissions that there is a degree of public policy
overlap between that situation and this, especially in the light of
the evidence that some of the sources concerned are sources of
information provided to journalists, who may themselves be
Associates of Livingstone.
“38. There is no reason to suppose that any of the sources in this

case have acted unlawfully, but that does not mean that they have
nothing to fear if their identities come to light. I am persuaded
that much of what is said by Mr Huband and Ms O’Connor rings
true, although some of the sources may face more serious risks
than others. It is in the public interest that they should not be
discouraged from speaking out or from providing intelligence of
this nature.”
128. See also comments made in Sanoma at §65 and §71, relating to breach of Article 10 in
the context of confidentiality of journalists’ sources, again by analogy.
129. As a result of the information provided to the media, Mr Simpson’s evidence to

Congress and the US Defendants’ publication of the dossier, much of the informa tio n
in the dossier is likely now be in the public domain (not least perhaps by an event that
occurred following the hearing, namely the investigation launched by US Justice
Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller, involving a number of indictments against
Russian businesses and individuals). A search of Mr Steele’s name on the internet
reveals the extent of media interest in the issues the subject of the dossier, and one can
readily understand why a view might be taken that the purpose of the Request might be
for a wide ranging inquiry rather than simply for evidence in defamation proceedings
relating to one paragraph in one memorandum of the dossier. No explanation has been
advanced by the US Plaintiffs as to why they sought the topics for examination to
extend so far beyond what would generally be expected for such proceedings, and they
have not sought to explain why there was no attempt to demonstrate the relevance of
each area of questioning in the Request, and the original formulation of Schedule A, to
the issues in the case. The US Defendants, although they did not apply for the Request,
and say they are neutral as to whether it be set aside or not, still seek to maintain part
of the examination extending to the entirety of the dossier, in circumstances where there

is no suggestion that Mr Steele had anything to do with their decision to publish the
same.
Confidentiality and National Security
130. Those issues of confidentiality which can be protected can be dealt with by pre-
conditions in an amended order, if I conclude that is permissible. I note that the US
Plaintiffs have agreed to limit questions in relation to Mr Steele’s former employme nt
with the FCO. In so far as national security concerns are in issue, I have no details of
these and if, as a result of the order I make on this application the FCO decide that a
section 3(3) Certificate should be issued they will no doubt list their application.
Confidentiality of Sources
131. Again, provided the pre-conditions and the deletion of inappropriate questions can be
dealt with in the order, this is a concern which can be addressed, and in so far as it is
not addressed, a section 3(3) Certificate can be issued.
132. In the circumstances peculiar to this case, which I am permitted to consider in the
exercise of the court’s discretion, I do conclude that the November 2017 order is
oppressive, and unless I conclude that it can be limited in a way which is permiss ib le
by law, so as to render it not oppressive, it will be set aside on such ground. However,
if the order is capable of being narrowed appropriately, within the limits of what is
permissible, so that its oppressive elements are removed, then the issue of oppression
would not constitute a ground for setting aside the November 2017 order. I consider
this in Paragraphs 133 onwards below.
Whether the Order of 17th November 2017 should be varied
Discussion
133. For ease of reference Schedule A to the November 2017 order is included as an Annex
to this judgment.
134. The basis of on which I can consider amending the topics for examination requested by
the requesting court are either:-
i) The amendments are agreed by the parties and the witness, or;
ii) where the court considers that deletions or restrictions to those topics are
appropriate because the topics for examination would otherwise contravene
section 2(3) of the 1975 Act, namely the burden imposed on the intended witness
would be oppressive and/or the Request would constitute impermissible fishing :
see State of Norway at 484E-F, 491F; State of Minnesota at §18; US v Philip
Morris at §76; Refco Companies at §32; Gredd –v- Busson at §27(3) and (4) and
(10).
135. I have concluded that the form of the Request in its original format as set out in the
order of November 2017:
i) goes beyond what is required for the US proceedings; and

ii) in its breadth appears to be a fishing exercise; and
iii) is oppressive.
136. The question is whether, notwithstanding such conclusions, this court is able assist the
US court by restricting the topics requested for examination, and introducing safeguards
for Mr Steele in the order. The authorities are clear that there cannot be a wholesale
rewriting of the order to rescue it. See authorities referred to above. I take into account
particularly the words in the judgment of Lord Woolf in State of Minnesota at §18, also
cited in Refco LJ Waller’s at §32:
“Because of the general approach, to which I have drawn

attention, when the court has to choose between either giving
effect to a Letter of Request or refusing to do so, it will take into
account any limitations, corrections or conditions which the
party seeking the order is willing for the court to take into
account. It will, if appropriate, be prepared to give the request
an amended effect.”
137. My comments and conclusions on the proposed amendments of Mr Steele and the
parties to Schedule A and the order are as follows.
Schedule A
138. Topic 1
Mr Steele’s educational background, employment history, professional

qualifications, personal preparation for the deposition (to include any contacts the
witness may have had with the parties, their lawyers, insurers or representatives,
but excluding any privileged content of such communications):
i) The US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants propose to add the words “(in general
terms)” to emphasise that this is intended only to be an introductory area of
questioning to inform the Florida court. Mr Steele seeks to delete from the
words “employment history” and “(to include any contacts the witness may have
had with the parties, their lawyers, insurers or representatives, but excluding any
privilege content of such communications).”
ii) I do not consider that it is appropriate delete the words suggested by Mr Steele,
because I cannot conclude that the questions on the proposed deleted matters are
for an impermissible purpose or oppressive. The paragraph is intended to be a
general introductory paragraph as is normal in witness statements so the court
will have the context in which the evidence is given. I note the comments in
First American at page 1164F:
“In framing questions to ask a witness from whom no proof has

been taken, the questioner can be expected to ask a number of
preliminary questions in order to feel his way in.”
iii) Any attempts by the parties’ legal representatives to question Mr Steele on

issues relating to his employment history which would breach the conditions

which could be imposed in the order will be protected by intervention by Mr

Steele’s legal representatives. Although I have no evidence on the matter, I
assume that evidence as to any contact Mr Steele has had with the parties, their
lawyers, insurers or representatives excluding privilege communications would
be limited in time and scope and would not be oppressive or for an
impermissible purpose being again general introductory material.
iv) I propose to introduce conditions which will offer further protection to Mr

Steele.
v) I consider that the words proposed to be inserted by the US Plaintiffs and US

Defendants are acceptable, provide further reassurance to Mr Steele, and do not
involve redrafting to an impermissible extent.
139. Topics 2-7
2. The instructions given to Mr Steele and his company to prepare the

dossier and the reasons for the preparation of the dossier.
3. The payments made to Mr Steele and his company for the dossier.
4. The steps Mr Steele took to obtain information for the dossier.
5. Mr Steele’s preparation of the dossier.
6. Mr Steele’s solicitation of information for the dossier.
7. Mr Steele’s sources of information for the dossier.
i) All parties agreed to the deletion of Topics 2, 3 and 7. Mr Steele proposes that
all Topics 2-7 are deleted. The US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants wish to
retain Topics 4, 5 and 6. The US Plaintiffs agree to limit the examination in
those Topics to paragraph 3 of the December Memorandum (described as
paragraph 3 of Company Report 2016/166 of the dossier for precision), and the
US Defendants do not oppose such restriction.
ii) I consider that topics 4, 5 and 6 should be deleted. The US Plaintiffs have
focused on the issue of Mr Steele’s verification of the allegedly defamatory
statements in Paragraph 3 of the December Memorandum, which is the subject
of Paragraph 8, and the US Defendants on the reasons and justification for
publication. There has been no satisfactory explanation as to why these topics
are relevant to the issues identified. These areas of questioning for Topics 4, 5
and 6 would, in my judgment, be areas of questioning that would be likely to
risk identification of sources through the ‘jigsaw effect’ identified by Mr Millar
in his submissions. Although the order can include a prohibition on questions
that will risk identity of the sources, there is likely to be considerable difference
of opinion between the parties’ representatives as to whether any particula r
question would fall into that category in questioning on these topics, and it
would be unfair and oppressive to Mr Steele to be put in that position.
140. Topic 8 - Mr Steele’s efforts (or lack of efforts) to verify allegations in the dossier

i) Mr Millar for Mr Steele proposes that it be amended to read “the steps taken by
Mr Steele to verify the information regarding the Plaintiffs contained in
paragraph 3 of Company Report 2016/166, a copy of which is attached”.
ii) The US Plaintiffs have agreed to amend the paragraph to “Mr Steele’s efforts to
verify the allegations in paragraph 3 of Company Report 2016/166 of the dossier
(excluding the final sentence)”.
iii) The US Defendants oppose the restriction of Topic 8 to paragraph 3 of the

December Memorandum, but agree to delete the words “(or lack of efforts)”.
iv) I consider that the US Plaintiffs formulation is appropriate and does not involve
substantial redrafting, merely a limitation of the ambit of questioning. Mr
Millar’s formulation does involve redrafting, and although it may be better
drafting, I do not consider that I am able to simply redraft in that way.
v) There is in my judgment no good reason why this area of questioning should

extend beyond the paragraph complained of in the Florida proceedings, given
the evidence of the US Plaintiffs as to the key issues for which the evidence is
required. With regard to the relevance of Mr Steele’s evidence to the defences
of the US Defendants, it may well be that were informed by the whole of the
dossier in their decision to publish, but there has been no suggestion that any
actions Mr Steele took in relation to the whole dossier informed that decision.
Neither is Mr Steele’s evidence relevant to the US Defendants’ state of mind
when it decided to publish. The Florida court will have the ability to have before
it a copy of the contents of the dossier as a whole, so will be able to see paragraph
3 of the December memorandum in its context. I consider that questioning on
this topic in relation to the dossier as a whole would be oppressive because it
would involve a wide-ranging examination of Mr Steele over the entirety of the
dossier, only a small part of which is complained of in the Florida proceedings.
141. Topic 9 - Mr Steele’s work to verify allegations in the dossier.
Topic 10 - Mr Steele’s clients with respect to the dossier.
All parties have agreed to delete Topics 9 and 10.
142. Topic 11 - The provision of the dossier to Fusion GPS.
Topic 12 - The provision of the dossier to media outlets.
Topic 13 - The provision of the dossier to other third parties.
i) Mr Steele seeks to amend Topic 11 to read: “The provision of Company Report

2016/166 to Fusion GPS”. That is agreed by the US Plaintiffs.
ii) Mr Steele seeks to delete Topics 12-13. That is not agreed, but the US
Plaintiffs agree to restrict these topics to “Company Report 2016/166” and again
insert the words “the version of”.

iii) The US Defendants do not agree and also consider that the original wording
should remain, save that they also propose that the wording should be amended
to: “The provision of the version of the dossier to …”.
iv) I consider that these topics should be limited as proposed by the US Plaintiffs.
I do not consider that in that form they are oppressive to Mr Steele. This
information is partly given by Mr Steele in his defence in the QB proceedings,
(at paragraph 21) [2/11/130]. In that regard I note the evidence of Mr Loble
that the parties are unable to rely on the QB statements of case in the Florida
proceedings. The topics concern evidence which appears to be in the public
domain so far as media outlets are concerned, and the examination on these
topics is likely to be very limited in scope. The topics are clear, limited and
easily identifiable, and the issues as to distribution of the December
memorandum are relevant to the issues pleaded in the defence in the Florida
proceedings.
143. Topic 14 - Mr Steele’s communications with others concerning the dossier and the
allegations contained therein
i) All parties agree to delete Topic 14. The US plaintiffs seek to add an alternative
Topic 14, namely “Payments made (or offered) to media outlets to publish
Company Report 2016/166 of the dossier to write about it.” They submit that
this is just an explanatory topic within the ambit of Topics 11-13.
ii) The new iteration as drafted by the US Plaintiffs cannot be included. It was not
in the Request and this court cannot add to or redraft the subject matters for
examination unless all parties wish the court to do so.
144. Schedule A will accordingly be amended as indicated.
Amendments to the November 2017 Order
145. The parties and Mr Steele have agreed certain additional provisions in the amended
order, namely:
i) No questions are to be asked which go to the identity of Mr Steele’s sources;
ii) Mr Steele is to be permitted to have legal representation at the examination for

the purpose of taking proper objection to questions that might be put to him in
the course of examination should he so wish.
I approve these additions.
146. With regard to the body of the Order, apart from Schedule A, I consider that the
following additional provisions should be added to provide further protection to Mr
Steele:
i) No questions may be asked that would require the disclosure of any informatio n
that would in the ordinary course:
a) require the consent of Mr Steele’s former Crown employer before

disclosure;

b) increase the existing risk of confidential intelligence sources being

identified;
c) risk disclosure of information concerning processes of intellige nce

gathering known to Crown servants;
ii) A list of questions for each topic in Schedule A is to be provided to Mr Steele’s

solicitors a reasonable period of time before the examination. This will not be
prescriptive. It will obviously be permitted that if the answers to any questions
lead to other questions exploring that line of questioning these will be permitted
(subject to any appropriate objections from Mr Steele’s legal representatives or
ruling by the Examiner). The parties’ US and English legal representative s
would have to prepare this in any event, as part of the preparation for the
examination, and Mr Steele’s legal representatives should have an opportunity
to consider the lines of questioning to be addressed in each topic, so they can
prepare and give appropriate advice. It is likely to be of benefit to the US
Plaintiffs and the US Defendants if Mr Steele is able to improve his recollectio n
of the areas of questioning before the examination by reference to particula r
questions.
147. With regard to the length of time to be included for the examination, I consider that the
seven hours agreed between the US Plaintiffs and US Defendants is an appropriate time
for the examination and is not oppressive. I agree to this not because I consider that
the questioning on the now very limited topics is likely to last that length of time, and
I would hope that it should not, but I recognise the point made by each of the US parties’
counsel that lawyers will be attending from the United States for the examination at
some cost, so it would not be appropriate to restrict the time available further. This
time leaves a reasonable margin for any objections to be made, submissions on the
same, and opinions by the Examiner, if needed (see CPR PD 34A paragraph 4.5). This
is a standard time for examination in many Letters of Request. A limit for the
examination to one day is a reasonable period of time to avoid considerable disruptio n
to a person’s professional and/or personal life. Mr Steele will have the protection of
his own legal advisors to ensure that the hearing should involve questioning only on the
topics permitted.
148. Both the US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants seek an order that their respective Englis h
counsel and solicitors be permitted to attend the examination to advise the parties’ US
attorneys and make any submissions to the examiner in respect of disagreeme nt
between the parties on the scope of questioning permitted or on issues of Englis h
procedure.
149. It is the general rule in examinations ordered pursuant to letters of request outside the
EU Evidence Regulation, that where proceedings are to be conducted according to
English rules of procedure (which is the norm, unless a special procedure is requested
and acceded to) that if foreign lawyers are permitted to attend and carry out the
questioning, that English lawyers instructed by those parties are permitted also to be
present at the examination. The reason is so that they can advise the foreign lawyers
on any disputed issues of English law and procedure that may arise, and make
appropriate submissions to the examiner where the examiner is asked to give an
opinion. I see no reason to depart from that general rule in this case. It would be
unfortunate if there were to be an objection raised by Mr Steele’s English legal

representatives and the parties’ US attorneys were not in a position to take advice and
make informed submissions in response. There are also issues of rights of audience in
relation to questioning being conducted by US attorneys if English representatives were
not also present, which might have implications for the validity of the examination, if
challenged (see Cockerill: The Law and Practice of Compelled Evidence in Civil
Proceedings 2011 at §8.21).
150. I note that confirmation has been given by Leading Counsel for the US Plaintiffs that
their English legal representatives present at the examination will not include any of
those who are involved in the QB proceedings.
151. The US Plaintiffs and the US Defendants seek to include a provision in the Order that
notice of documents, and copies of the same, that they intend to refer to Mr Steele
during questioning, be provided 21 days before the examination. I consider that this is
appropriate and will assist the parties. Rule 34.9(1) provides that the examination must
be conducted in the same way as if the witness were giving evidence at trial. That
would include the witness being referred to relevant documents to assist them in giving
their evidence. This would not involve any extension of the scope of the examinatio n,
as this will be limited by the provisions of the Order, including the topics for
questioning in Schedule A.
152. I consider that it will be helpful for both Mr Steele and his legal representatives to know
in advance which documents he is likely to be referred to, and it is apparent from the
nature of the Florida proceedings that there would not be the same expectation of large
numbers of documents as there would be in a commercial dispute. A list of and copies
of documents, combined with a list of questions, may assist them in considering any
risk that questioning may go beyond what is permitted by the amended order.
Generally
153. In considering this court’s jurisdiction and its powers to exercise discretion in this area
of the law, it would have been of considerable assistance to this court if the US Plaintif fs
had identified the relevance of each of the topics sought for examination to the issues
in the Florida proceedings. The fact that has not been done, and that this court’s
primary position is that it seeks to accept without investigation the foreign court’s
confirmation of relevance in a letter of request, put this court in a difficult position. I
refer to the pertinent comments of Mrs Justice Andrews in Vale at paragraphs 37-38
cited in Paragraph 127 above. This case, it seems to me involves a similar complex
balancing exercise. I have done my best to balance the interests of Mr Steele with the
requirements of the Florida court, against the background of very unusua l
circumstances.
Conclusion on the applications of Mr Steele and the US Defendants
154. Having come to the conclusion that Mr Steele does have relevant evidence to give for
trial in the US proceeding, and that the topics in Schedule A are capable of being
amended in such a way that does not constitute redrafting of the Letter of Request, and
appropriate protections for Mr Steele included in the order, I do not conclude that the
November 2017 order should be set aside in its entirety, but that it should be varied as
set out above. Accordingly Mr Steele’s application to set aside the November 2017
order is dismissed. His application to vary the order is granted in part. The US

Defendants’ application to vary the order if not set aside, is granted in part and
dismissed in part.

ANNEX TO JUDGMENT
SCHEDULE A
In this Schedule, references to “the dossier” are to the dossier mentioned in paragraph 7 of
the letter of request:-
1. Mr Steele’s educational background, employment history, professiona l

qualifications, personal preparation for the deposition (to include any contacts the
witness may have had with the parties, their lawyers, insurers or representatives,
but excluding any privileged content of such communications).
2. The instructions given to Mr Steele and his company to prepare the dossier and the
reasons for the preparation of the dossier.
3. The payments made to Mr Steele and his company for the dossier.
4. The steps Mr Steele took to obtain information for the dossier.
5. Mr Steele’s preparation of the dossier.
6. Mr Steele’s solicitation of information for the dossier.
7. Mr Steele’s sources of information for the dossier.
8. Mr Steele’s efforts (or lack of efforts) to verify allegations in the dossier.
9. Mr Steele’s work to verify allegations in the dossier.
10. Mr Steele’s clients with respect to the dossier.
11. The provision of the dossier to Fusion GPS.
12. The provision of the dossier to media outlets.
13. The provision of the dossier to other third parties.
14. Mr Steele’s communications with others concerning the dossier and the allegatio ns
contained therein.

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Neutral Citation Number: [2018] EWHC 512 (QB)

Case No: CR 2017 - 664

Royal Courts of Justice

SENIOR MASTER FONTAINE

Aleksej Gubarev (1) Plaintiffs

Hearing dates: 5 February and 16 March 2018

Senior Master Fontaine:

3. The following witness statements were before the court:

For the Applicant Mr Steele:

Witness statement of Nicola Cain dated 1st December 2017;

Witness statement of Edward Lucas dated 30th November 2017.

For the US Plaintiffs

For the US Defendants

Witness statement of Katherine M Bolger dated 20th December 2017

For the FCO

First witness statement of Lewis Neal dated 30th November 2017

Second witness statement of Lewis Neal dated 1st February 2018

Background to the applications – summary of information in the evidence

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“[Redacted] reported that over the period March-September

“The deposition sought is impermissible and unlawful on

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“Mr Steele seeks to intervene on the grounds that his deposition

Chronology of the application by the US Plaintiffs under CPR 34.17

20. All parties referred the court to a number of authorities, as follows:

In re State of Norway [1987] QB 433

Rio Tinto Zinc Corporation –v- Westinghouse Electric [1978] AC 547

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First American Corp –v- Al Nahyan [1999] 1 WLR 1154

United States of America v Philip Morris Inc [2004] 1CLC 811

State of Minnesota –v- Phillip Morris Inc [1998] I.L.Pr 170

Gredd –v- Busson [2003] EWHC 3001

Dombo Beheer B.V. The Netherlands (1994) 18 EHRR 213

Sanoma v the Netherlands [2011] EMLR 4

Rio Tinto Zinc plc v Vale SA [2015] EWHC 1865 (QB)

Mr Steele’s Application – Summary of Submissions on his behalf

22. Paragraph 1 seeks evidence on Mr Steele’s educational background, employme nt

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Evidence sought for an impermissible purpose

In re State of Norway [1987] QB 433 at 481F, 482 E – F, 483G, 491F

Gredd –v- Busson [2003] EWHC 3001 at §27 (3) (9)

Rio Tinto plc v Vale S.A. [2015] EWHC 1865 (QB)

ii) publication is protected by fair report privilege;

iii) publication is protected by neutral report privilege;

iv) publication is protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the US

vi) [the remaining defences relate to damages]. [2/11/193-194].

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Breach of Article 6 Rights

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Oppression – evidence on issues included in the QB proceedings

vi) provision by the Defendants of the pre-election memoranda to the FBI;

x) whether Senator McCain or his representative, David Kramer, was responsible

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Oppression – the Request constitutes a fishing expedition

“the extent to which, if at all, Mr Steele verified the allegatio ns

i) whether the publication of the allegations by the US Defendants was made

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(Second Witness Statement of Steven Loble, Paragraph 10 [1/10/61].

“The circumstances of the provision of the dossier to various