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_____________________________ Bob Dean : The Coming of Nibiru Phoenix, Arizona, September 2008 Bob Dean: Some of our remote viewers have concluded that, yes, its going to happen this time, that we and it will be on the same side of the sun at the same time. And if the remote viewer... And theyre getting their own information from ETs, from sources within the U.S. government that tell me that, yes, they are deeply concerned about it. And theyre worried sick about it. And they dont know what to do about it. ... What could the government or anyone else tell you? What could they say to you? Would they tell you: Grab your hat? Dig a hole? Hang on!? ... He says: Oh, it seems to be a rather nice planet, and we know about it, and all we need to do is name it. And then, bless his heart... You know, hed never had a heart problem, but within a year he was dead with a heart attack. ... Incredible race of humans... does have a future. And it is in the stars. And we are going out there to reclaim our rightful place.

... Its kind of amusing considering that the last time we met, I told you it was to be my last interview and here I am again. And, you know, how can I explain that?

Start of interview Kerry Cassidy: We have gotten the most incredible response to your interview. I have to say its actually been the most popular of all our interviews... BD: Thats nice to hear. KC: ... and I think that there is a reason for that. BD: Well, thank you. KC: I think that in many ways you put yourself on the line, and you actually embody the curiosity that was, like, rampant in all of us. And you did it at a time when... and in the military, no less. And you broke rules, and you kind of stuck it out. Youre just... Youre like...Youre just... I dont know... a one-man disclosure project, as far as Im concerned. BD: Well, thank you, Kerry. Thats very kind of you to say that. But let me explain something. I was a normal human being for a big portion of my life. You know, I was a career military, no-nonsense kind. I wore a crew cut. When I learned what I learned in 1963, 64, 65, it changed my life. It changed my way of thinking. And I became obsessed with what I had learned. And, over the years, Ive learned so much more. And as I may have mentioned to you earlier, I learned a little bit; I wanted more. You know, talk about an addiction! When you start learning some things about a subject that is so profound... The more I learned, the more I wanted to know, and the more I wanted to know, the more I learned, and the more I learned, the more obsessed I became, and... You talk about losing your paradigm. My old paradigm literally crumbled around my knees. You know, the world that I thought I lived in, I learned was not the world that I lived in. And the reality that I looked around and thought I saw was not the reality that exists, that much of what we see is an illusion. Its a result of our own illusions. We... we humans sometimes, rather than face reality, we create a little world of our own. You know, we get up and go to work. We raise the kids. We buy a house. Buy a car. Take a vacation. Go on about our lives. Try to save money, put a little in the bank for the kids college. And live a normal life. And then I learned that theres no such thing as a normal life, that the world that exists is not at all what we think it is. And the more I learned... As I said, my old paradigm crashed around my knees, and... [sighs] Im sitting here in front of you as a human wreck, you might say, you know, as to what I used to be. Because I lived in a world that was kind of cut and dried. Oh, you know, do this, do that... You pay your bills, you... Its not that way at all! KC: Well, lets cut to the chase here, because you have come forward. Actually, you contacted us, Im going to say, and said youve got something new to say. Youve got something new to tell the people. And I know youre going to be speaking at the Bay Area Conference. And this is amazing.

And lets find out what is it thats new. What is it that youre willing to... BD: You want me to divulge to you my great revelations which Im planning to speak about at the conference, right? KC: Absolutely! [Bob laughs] And you know, this video will not be edited and out there before the conference, so you dont have to worry that were going to ruin it for the viewers at the conference. BD: Well, there are lots of little tidbits that are kind of interesting to me. I assume, I hope, theyll be interesting to the people at San Jose. Its been my experience that the people who attend those conferences are pretty wide open, open-minded. As I jokingly used to say, when I speak there, its like preaching to the choir, you know. Because theyre a different group of people. Ill give you a tiny tidbit which I found interesting. As you perhaps have understood, I have been a member of what we used to jokingly call The Old Boys' Network. Ive been a member of it for over 40 years. And when we created this group, it was made up of military types, primarily, all ranks, all services. And we even had a couple of cosmonauts who were connected with this, who were providing information. Well, over the years, the old boys have shared information with each other, because weve had a variety of assignments and jobs in the military. We had a couple of admirals. We had a general, and two cosmonauts. We had innumerable colonels and command sergeant majors and people from all walks, everywhere, who provided information we used to share with each other. And some of us have been in very sensitive positions and had access to very highly classified material. And weve been very open about sharing that with others, which kind of kept us going for a long, long time. There arent a hell of a lot of us left. The last time I... Originally, there was roughly about 150 members of this group, and today theres probably not more than a dozen left. We lost a good one. You know, Graham Bethune died here, about a year ago. And Graham was a retired Navy Commander who was a dear man who had some very sensitive information he used to share with us. But, as I point out, we shared among ourselves. And then a few of us came out blatantly, purposely, and started sharing what we had learned with the public. Frankly, I never thought I was going to to get away with it! I thought that they were going to stomp on me, and you know, eliminate me, or whatever. There was even rumors, for Gods sake, that they were going to call me back to active duty and court martial me! [Kerry laughs] You know. Well, Im going to be 80 at my next birthday, so I dont think they want to call me back to active duty. You know, I could have an accident... But, I think why I am getting away with what I am getting away with, so to speak -- where I am releasing bits and pieces of this cover-up -- is that theres somebody back there somewhere who wants me to do what Im doing. Or I would not have been able to do this. But let me give you a tiny tidbit of bits and pieces that come from The Old Boys Network: There is an organization called the National Reconnaissance Office. Youve probably heard of them. KC: Absolutely. BD: A very super-secret group, a super-secret group among

super-secret groups. God, weve got so damn many groups now. As I used to jokingly say, when poor old Ike left office, he tried to tell us about the military-industrial complex? Well, its a triad now. Its not just the military and industry. Its the national security agencies as well. So, if he could see it today, hed be shocked even more. Of course, Im sure hes alive and well somewhere, probably looking down and chuckling. But, we are a triad now: The super-secret agencies with the military and the industries. Its all like this. [clasps hands together] But, anyhow, there are people who I think want this out. Weve known for years that among the in crowd... whoever the hell they are, and no one really has ever been able to put our finger on it. Weve been able to grab a couple of em from the old Magi Group. The Wise Men, they called themselves... the Magi. Youve heard them referred to as the Majestic Twelve. Well, they are a lot more than twelve now. Anyhow, Im getting away with sharing bits and pieces and tidbits which intrigue me because I think somebody wants some of this out. But the story I was going to share with you is that... In the National Reconnaissance Office, about, I guess four or five years now, they had for a number of years a series of satellites called the Keyhole System. Have you heard of it? KC: Ah, yes. BD: Keyhole. It was super-secret and probably the very best satellite system in the world. Well, theyve probably made it even better now. They could supposedly read a postage stamp from space. Well, there were some intriguing questions being raised by a number of people about what was known as the Ararat Anomaly. Are you familiar with the Ararat Anomaly? Bill Ryan: Mount Ararat. Noahs Ark. KC: OK. BD: And so, the guys in the NRO took their Keyhole system and focused on the Ararat Anomaly, which is, you know, a puzzle. Well, when the word got out, when the pictures were finally down-loaded and they computerized and enhanced them and cleaned them up, and they pushed them on the wall or they broadcast them on the wall there at NRO, the remarks went something like this -- and these are actual quotes: Jesus Christ, its a god-damn boat! Christ! Its a big boat! OK. One would say: Why would something like that be so highly classified that it is way above top secret? Why would the discovery of a boat on Mount Ararat be classified so far above, you know... anything? Anyhow, the story comes out. The reason they classified it is because, after they discovered that it is a god-damn boat, a big god-damn boat, they inserted a team of SEALs on the site. Thats a term that the military uses to put a bunch of guys on a scene. KC: Right. BD: Apparently they dropped them by aircraft. They parachuted down, a dozen of them or so. They inserted them onto the scene and these guys spent several days in this god-damn boat. And then they extracted them

by helicopters. And when they extracted them, the guys brought with them some anomalous artifacts which have never been described or named. But those anomalous artifacts is what led to this whole thing being classified not only Top Secret, but the way the hell above. And thats a little bit of information thats come out via the network of the Old Boys. KC: So are you saying this is Noahs Ark? BD: No one knows what it is. It was originally the Ararat Anomaly, but then they discovered that it was a gigantic boat, apparently, and... KC: But a boat built by humans? BD: Well, it appears to be. Its essentially, from what they gathered, wood. But, its a work of genius, apparently. It was intricately put together, and its really... K: And its survived all these years. BD: Well, apparently. The question, how many years? You know... when was the flood? The last rumor I heard had that it was 12,000 years ago: 10,500 BC. KC: When are they saying? I mean, Im sure you have a theory. BD: Well, the religious implications of it, you see. You know, every ancient culture on the planet has a similar tradition about a flood, and Im sure there were many Noahs, so to speak, wherever. But the idea that this particular thing is so theologically sensitive that some yo-yo back there at NRO decided to classify it... And then they sent the SEALs in and the SEALs brought back artifacts. Well, there you are, you see! What could they have possibly found in this big wreck that is so sensitive? The question arises. I dont know the answer to that. Hopefully, if the Old Boys still stays alive a few years, we might find out. I find that interesting and I share it with people because it gives you an insight into that bunch of nitwits back there that classify everything! [Kerry laughs] KC: Bill, go ahead with your question about Mount Ararat. And then were going to move on from there. BR: I think it was Charles Berlitz who wrote a book which was called The Lost Ship of Noah. And he published a bunch of photographs -these photographs are on the internet -- of something that looks like a ship on Ararat. And there are two versions of this, from what Ive heard. One is fairly low down, and which is an enormous thing that looks like a whole lot of ships timbers. And there are persistent reports of another object thats much higher up, way above the snow line, quite close to the summit. And I wonder if you could say which of these, if either, has been picked up by the Keyhole satellites and analyzed? And when the SEALs were inserted, did they carbon-date the wood? BD: Oh, Im sure they must have. But I havent got any information on that. My guess is, Bill, that the SEALs were inserted on the one toward the top, above the snow line. Thats the indication that I got, that that was the one that... They went in, they landed, they dropped, they parachuted in and spent a number of days up there, apparently. But what they brought back in terms of anomalous artifacts is the thing that intrigued me. Why would they classify it so far above Top Secret? But that bunch of nitwits back there.... And Ive known some of them over the years; Ive worked with some of them. And I think they are a bunch of damn nitwits! You know, there is no damn reason why theyve

classified so much. KC: What year was this when the SEALs were sent in? BD: About five years ago, from what I can gather. KC: Really? BD: Yes. KC: Thats bizarre. BD: Well, the Keyhole program was really big in the late 90s. Now, Im sure theyve got satellite programs that are even better now. Weve got civilian programs that are so damn good that the Department of Defense will often go to the civilian contractors and buy photographs taken by civilian satellites that are outstanding. So it leads you to suspect, maybe, what...how much better could be some of our DoD satellites. K: Right. BD: You know, they have classified Lake Vostok. They took it away from JPL who was monitoring it and, you know, with satellites and all... Are you familiar with Lake Vostok in Antarctica? KC: No. BD: Oh, God, thats a sensitive story in itself! Under the ice in Antarctica there is a fresh-water lake deep, deep down under the ice, thats 100 miles long and 50 miles wide. Fresh water. The temperature in the damn lake is about 65 degrees, which is pleasant swimming, you might say. But at the end of Lake Vostok is whats known as a gigantic masscon -a mass concentration of metal, very similar to the masscons they discovered on the Moon -- a gigantic, circular-shaped, metallic object deep under the ice at the end of Lake Vostok. Highly classified. JPL had it. The National Security Agency took it away from JPL. Its one of the most sensitive things in the world now, as to what is the anomaly at the end of the lake -- the mass con -the mass concentration that is so easily picked up by satellite? Another top secret, you know? KC: Mm hm. BD: But the common folk, youre not supposed to know that. KC: Right. BD: Why? Well, you cant handle it, you see. The implications of it are just too vast. KC: Well, tell me this: Do the Chinese know it? BD: Oh, Im sure they do. As you may know, the Chinese now have gone into space in a big way. It never gets into the newspaper, but the last I heard, the Chinese have a satellite orbiting the Moon, taking lots of pictures. Well, Im hoping that the Chinese publish a lot of those pictures, because our own NASA people took many, many pictures. The Army took thousands of pictures under the Clementine Project. Are you familiar with Clementine? KC: Ive heard of it. BD: It was not a NASA program. It was an Army program, Department of Defense. They took thousands of pictures. Theyve only released a dozen or so. They took pictures all around the Moon, back side, bottom, top, everywhere. KC: Well, are you in touch with Richard Hoagland? BD: I know Richard. Hes a good friend. KC: OK. So you know some of his recent research. BD: Ah, well, I read his recent book, which is dynamite. KC: Uh huh. OK. So, you know about the Secret Space Program. BD: Oh, yes. KC: And you know about the von Braun and the Nazis and whats been carried over to the U.S. political system.

BD: Oh, yes. Its bigger than that. Its much bigger. KC: OK. But when I raised up Richard Hoaglands information and the stuff that hes been bringing forward about von Braun, the Nazis, you know, Paperclip... and youre saying its much beyond that. BD: It is. KC: So where are we going with that? BD: Our original space program was all a product of the Nazi party. Without von Braun and his crew and the Paperclip program, I dont think we would have gotten to the Moon when we did, or we certainly wouldnt have beaten the Russians. Because the Russians grabbed their crowd... they also went into Germany and grabbed a bunch of scientists. And the Russians have a tremendous scientific program of their own. You know, they didnt need Nazi scientists. They would have eventually done it on their own anyhow. But one of the biggest secrets of all is the Secret Space Program, the fact that NASA is... Its like Blue Book used to be. I think its a public relations front. KC: Right. Yes. BD: Blue Book never handled the real good stuff. And everybody knew that, except the common folk out there who were diddled regularly and never told the truth about anything. But the big secret seems to have been for so long, is: Why are we keeping classified the enormous facilities on the Moon? And theyre not ours. KC: Whose are they? BD: Well, thats a good question. I can tell you flatly who they are. KC: OK. BD: Are you familiar with the term Anunnaki? KC: Absolutely. BD: All right. Well, you really have to understand Zecharia Sitchins work to really grasp where we stand today in relationship with this group of intelligences. And, Im not speaking of one. There are several. The last I heard, there were four different groups we were relating with. The Anunnaki are one. And there are others. KC: OK. I mean, this is very interesting. Can you describe the Anunnaki that you... First of all, have you had exposure to them face-to-face? BD: Me? KC: Yes. BD: Yes, I have met some face-to-face. Now, whether they were the Anunnaki, I dont know. KC: OK, well... BD: The ones Ive met face-to-face were typically human. KC: Typically human. BD: I mean, they put on a suit and tie, a dress, blue jeans, T-shirt... KC: OK. BD: ...walk in our midst, and you would never know. KC: And they werent nine feet tall, or higher? BD: No. The ones Ive met and the ones Ive seen aboard the ships are not that big at all. Theyre just like us. KC: Uh huh. BD: So, were dealing with four different groups that Ive concluded -- my own personal view. KC: OK. BD: You might talk to Jim Sparks and he might tell you there are eight, or ten, or a dozen more. I dont know. I can only tell you what

little bit Ive learned over the years. There are four different groups that Ive encountered, and they are all humanoid. One group is completely human. And not all of the Anunnaki are nine feet tall. They were human enough that we are related to them, and theyre related to us. And that lovely little story in Chapter Six of Genesis is quite true. They did, indeed, engineer the genes and chromosomes of an existing species on this planet... God knows how long ago. Sitchin says it was 200,000 years. The information I have learned indicates one of the major tweakings took place about 60,000 years ago, that Homo sapiens sapiens were tweaked and genetically manipulated even more. So, were coming along slowly. KC: OK, so what four races? Lets name em, in your opinion. BD: Well, there are the humans. KC: OK. BD: Some people call them the Nordics. Then you have guys that are very pale, and very tall, and very broad... KC: Uh huh. BD: ... which some people refer to as the big whites. KC: OK. BD: And then you have the little guys. KC: The Grays? And then the Anunnaki. So those are the four youre familiar with. BD: And not all of the Grays are an evolved species. Some of them appear to be... What is the term they used to use? They were an artificial life form. KC: Androids? BD: Yes, they were humanoid androids, but they were constructed. Theyre laboratory products. And they often wondered why, in cases of crashes where there were survivors, that some of them didnt come back and try to retrieve. And the story that came out among the military for many years was that they wrote em off! They went back and made more. Now, there are some people who say, Well, they dont have a soul. Well, Ive run into human beings that I begin to wonder whether they had a soul. [Kerry laughs] But... KC: OK. So... BD: There are two types of Grays, from what Ive learned. There are the little guys who appear to be laboratory products. And then there are the six-foot Grays whose eyes are more round. And theyre not really gray. Theyre just sort of a chalky, off-white color. KC: Mm hm. BD: And they seem to be an evolved race all of their own. And I think those are the ones that probably ran into Betty Hill and Barney at the incident many years ago. KC: Have you heard about Dan Burisch talking about the Orions? Theyre sitting in ships, along with the military, actually watching the planet right now? BD: Ive heard bits and pieces of that. I dont know too much about Dans story. Hes come out with a great many things. KC: OK. But this is just new information that he has actually come forward with. BD: Well... KC: And theyre watching the planet to see what happens, and whether or not we have a catastrophe of any kind...

BD: We have got... KC: ...and whether they might have to step in. BD: We have photographs, and many of them Im going to share at the show. I have slides, and photographs, of gigantic objects. Im talking about humongous objects in space! And many of them are satellites in their orbit around the planet. Many of them are in orbit around the Moon, around Mars. I have a couple of pictures that Im going to share that I got from a Soviet cosmonaut on what happened with the Phobos thing. The Russians... you know, their famous Phobos rocket system that they sent up there some years back which got knocked out of orbit by an anomalous object that came up from the surface. But, it took... It had taken a number of outstanding photographs before it was damaged and crashed. KC: OK. What... Well, you called it an anomalous, I dont know, object that came up from the surface. Meaning the surface of the Moon? BD: Mars. KC: Or from the Earth? BD: Yes. KC: OK. BD: No, the Phobos program was sent to Mars because they had hoped to land a lander on the satellite Phobos. KC: Right. BD: There are two circling Mars which are anomalous. Again, that fantastic word: anomalous. Astronomers consider them anomalous because, first of all, theyre going in the wrong direction for a natural satellite, whatever that means. Theyre too small to be natural satellites, and theyre too close to the surface of Mars to have survived because, if they were natural, they would long ago have been brought down, sucked in by gravity, and crashed. The fact that theyre still there puzzles everybody. So the Russians said: Were going to land on Phobos. Its about twelve miles in diameter. I think Deimos is only about six or seven. And they were going to take some pictures on the surface. Well, you know, apparently the intelligences up there decided, No, youre not going to do that, and bumped Phobos -- the satellite that the Soviets sent up -- knocked it out of orbit, and it crashed, apparently. KC: But theyve been doing that to the JPL craft going up and around Mars for years now. BD: There is an intelligence on Mars that wants to limit our access to their reality. And theyve done a damn pretty good job of it. KC: Well, our witness, Henry Deacon... and I dont know if youre familiar with him. BD: Im familiar with him. I dont know him well. KC: OK. He has said that the Anunnaki are on Mars... in bases. BD: They are. I agree with that. KC: So, are they the ones shooting down those objects? You know, the various craft from JPL, and so on? BD: Probably... Look, Zecharia has said... And, I know this old man; I respect him tremendously. Ah... he says they never left. They withdrew overtly from their activities on the planet with us, but their activities have continued covertly both on Earth, the Moon, and Mars. And from the knowledge I have and the limited amount of information Ive been able to get, the primary focus, the primary intelligence behind all of this, are the Anunnaki, the same group that genetically engineered us so many thousands of years ago.

KC: OK. But youve got Enki and Enlil, right? And these are warring brothers, and one is working for the positive side of humanity and the other... BD: Well, you have this dysfunctional family. They even went to war with each other, and man was in the middle, as he always has been. You know, we were a product of their engineering. They engineered us as a slave species. They engineered us to work for them. KC: But arent they still at war? BD: Apparently, there is still... and some of our remote viewers... and I know a few of them... Ive done a little of it myself, and, believe me, it works. Ive been accused of being guilty of front-loading, so to speak, because when I want to look at something, I know what I want to look at. The military originally trained their guys to not know what they were looking for, and then they would down-load, you know, compare and such. KC: Right. BD: But, when I want to look at something, I know exactly what I want to look at. One of the greatest, of course, is Ingo Swann. KC: Oh, absolutely. BD: Oh, a tremendous guy! What an intellect that guy is! KC: Oh, incredible. Were dying to interview him. Do you know him? BD: He and I have corresponded. Yes. I wrote a nice article about him one time years ago, and he wrote me a letter and thanked me for it and told me he appreciated it a lot. KC: Lovely. Yes. BD: But he is a rare man. Hes a rare intellect. Not only is he probably the best remote viewer weve ever had, perhaps, other than Pat Price, that... Ingos come up with stuff on the Moon that... Youd have to read his book. KC: Actually, I have. BD: Penetration. Its dynamite. KC: And its hard to get ahold of, I understand. BD: Yes. It should be re-issued because itd sell like hot cakes. KC: Absolutely. BD: I spoke about it on Coast-to-Coast a couple of times with Art Bell, and apparently it became so damn hot that, you know, you cant find a copy... two or three hundred dollars each, if you can find one. KC: Yes, well I have... I dont know if I still have it, but I had one. BD: Well, hold onto it. Its gold. KC: Uh huh. BD: But Ingo is gold, himself. KC: OK. But lets kind of move back to the question, because I want to get, sort of, drilled down to this answer. So theyre still at war? BD: They still have a difference of opinion about us. Now, whether Enlil and... KC: Enki. BD: Ea... Enki... He goes by two names. Whether they still are alive or not... With the genetic geniuses that they have been, that they are, they can genetically manipulate... You know, they ingeniously genetically manipulated their ownchromosomes, DNA, till they literally have become practically immortal. Now, I wouldnt be a bit surprised if Enki and Enlil may still be

alive. Maybe theyre running around with a cane, like I do, [Kerry laughs] grunting and groaning. You know, theyve got the great-great-grandkids doing the running and... I dont know that, and Im sure that no one else does. But, apparently the factions are still divided, and the one side wants to use us as they always did. And the other side wants to give us the opportunity to be our own species, to chart our own future, and to call... you know, to determine our own lives. And there apparently has been this difference of opinion going on. KC: So, when we get back to the national security state, and the state of the U.S. right here and now... I mean, youre an ex-military. I hardly want to call you ex because I think youre, in some ways, probably still consulted here and there. You know, were about to go to war with Iran... BD: No, were not. KC: Whats youre perspective on this? Were not? BD: No, were not. KC: OK. BD: And thats my opinion, for whatever its worth, you know. KC: Sure. BD: I have a half-penny in my pocket... I dont believe that were going to have a nuclear war because I dont think the custodians will allow it. The planet is too valuable. Its too rich a reservoir of life. Not only the humans that are here on this planet, but all the other creatures. This planet is an absolute cornucopia of beautiful, beautiful forms of life. And, not only that, but the... What is it? The fauna and the... whats the other term? KC: The flora? BD: The flora! The flora is infinite, almost. No, the planets too valuable. KC: OK. BD: Theyve got a lot invested in planet Earth and theyre not about to let it go to a nuclear war, because they have the power to see that it does not happen. And I want to tell you something else. Youve heard this old rumor about the Prime Directive? KC: Mm hm. BD: Bullshit! It doesnt exist. [Kerry laughs] KC: Right. OK. BD: They have been interfering here, breaking the so-called Prime Directive, over centuries, thousands of times. They have been interfering, according to our historical records, back to ancient Greece. They probably had a hand in that damn dust-up at Troy. You know, they took sides. There were even rumors in Homers reports that the gods themselves came down and took sides and played in the game. To them, its a game. KC: Right. Well, the Bhagavad Gita, if youre familiar with it... I mean they go into... BD: There you are... filled with it. The Vedas are filled with it, you see. KC: Absolutely. BD: Richard Thompson is a genius. Hes written a book about it. Alien Identities its called. KC: OK. Ill take a look. BD: You ought to read it if you get a chance. Richard Thompson KC: Yes, Id love to. BD: He helped...

KC: OK. Im going to change gears. BD: He worked with Cremo on the... KC: Oh, really. BD: Yes. They jointly wrote that book on The Hidden History of the Human Race. KC: Oh, OK. BD: Cremo and Thompson wrote that. Well, Richard wrote a book of his own called Alien Identities and its filled with Vedic facts which you would enjoy. KC: Yes. BD: But the historys pretty clear. Theyve intervened over the centuries again, and again, and again, wherever it seemed appropriate to their benefit on their behalf. KC: OK, but... BD: Theyve gotten in our wars. Theyve messed around in that whole mess. KC: OK, but what about Planet X? BD: Oh, its a reality. KC: Yes? BD: Yes. KC: So what are they going to do about that? BD: Well, apparently they are concerned about... You know the story. According to Sitchin and according to the Sumerians, its a reality. Well, our astronomers apparently have concluded that it is indeed a reality. For almost a century, astronomers have been concerned and interested about what they called an intruder that seems to come and go from time to time. And, they can measure it by the perturbations and the effects on other planets. Theyve known of its existence for a long time, but theyve never gone public about it. Well, in the early 80s, the JPL... The guys at ... KC: Jet Propulsion Lab. BD: Jet Propulsion... We used to call it the Jack Parsons Laboratory, which I think is probably where the original JPL came from. KC: Yes. BD: Because Jack Parsons established it. Anyhow, they sent out a couple of Pioneers satellites -- back in 82, just to try to determine if there was some truth to it. And the Pioneers apparently came back with data which said not only Yes, but Hell, Yes! And the Pioneers concluded... the Pioneer satellite data concluded. So, wow! Astronomers were troubled by that. Whew! Could this thing be real? Well, and what did they do? They sent out what they call an infrared astronomical satellite. I think they called it IRAS. And this was done in 83. They sent the IRAS out, taking infrared pictures all around the ecliptic, above and below. And apparently IRAS got two giant, positive responses that yes, the twelfth planet, the tenth planet, however you want to call it... yes, its real. And thats when the lid slammed down. KC: So its out there. Its on its way back in, right? BD: According to the Sumerians and Sitchin, apparently it is. And if you are a student of history as I -- one of my majors -- its last pass was 1600 BC. The Sumerians, and Sitchin, and all of those say it has an orbit of 3600 years. KC: Mm hm. BD: So, like many of us, you know, I count on my fingers and toes and

figure out... Well, 1600 BC. It has an orbit of 3600 years. Wow! Its due! Well, apparently, it is. Now. KC: So why are they keeping this a secret? BD: Because... KC: Because youre an expert on secrets. BD: Listen [sighs]... Every time Nibiru would make a pass, it was not always devastating. It would depend on whether the planet Earth and Nibiru were on the same side of the Sun at the same time. And if we were on the same side of the Sun at the same time, all hell would break loose on planet Earth. Well, apparently the last pass triggered the explosion of Santorini. Thera, the volcano in the Mediterranean, the Aegean Sea, blew its top, brought to a close the great, great Minoan civilization, among other things. It affected Egypt. Its all in the records, apparently. There are even historians and theologians who say that Santorinis explosion is exactly what youre reading about when the plagues and all hit Egypt, and allowed Moses to get the Israelites out. But if you look at 1600 BC and figure... and that was the relatively recent past. Its due now, and apparently the guys in the astronomical observatories know it. And that, again, is Above Top Secret. Let me give you a tiny example: A number of years ago, there were two brilliant guys working at the Naval Observatory in Washington. Tom Van Flandern is one, who I hope youve interviewed. KC: No, but please continue. Wed love to do that. BD: Hes no longer with the Naval Observatory. The other one was the Chief Astronomer at the Observatory, a brilliant man by the name of Robert Harrington. KC: Right. BD: And Harrington gave an interview to Zecharia Sitchin a number of years ago, I think it was 91 or so, where he came right out and said: Dr. Sitchin, we are interested in this because it ties in perfectly with the work youve done on the Sumerians and the ancient planet Nibiru. He said: Weve found it. Its real. We have photographs of it. And, he says, from what we can put together, its a rather nice planet. Its about two and a half times the size of the Earth. Apparently its heading toward the system, the center of the system. Weve concluded about everything about it, except that we havent named it. And Zecharia spoke up and he said: Its already been named. He said: You simply call it Nibiru, as the Sumerians called it... The Planet of the Crossing. KC: Mm hmm BC: Well, Mrs. Sitchin and I were in agreement. I miss her. She died about a year ago. She was convinced that Robert Harrington had died because somebody bumped him off because he had the courage to come out and give Zecharia this interview. I dont know whether youve seen it or not. Its on tape. KC: No, I havent seen it, but we interviewed Luca Scantamburlo about this subject and hes also talked about Robert Harrington. BD: Yes. Well, Harrington gave the interview to Zecharia, and its on a video called Are We Alone? And I think you can pick it up at the conference here next week.

KC: OK. BD: I have a copy. And I sent a copy to Neil Freer, whos a man you should interview. KC: OK. Well, were in touch with Neil. Hes a very interesting guy. Hes a brilliant guy. BD: Hes brilliant. He just recently came out and admitted that hes had an intimate inter-relationship with extraterrestrial intelligence since he was a child. KC: Well, hes always talking about the Anunnaki. I do know this. BD: Well, he wrote a book called Breaking the God Spell. And he has supported Zecharias work for years. BR: I have a question, Bob, if I may, about the provenance of this information, in the sense that Zecharia Sitchins work is very well documented, and a lot of people watching this video will be very familiar with his books and with all the intelligent commentary about that. Are you saying you have additional information based on your contacts within the Old Boys Network? Or are you doing a neat presentation of...? BD: Many of my conclusions are my own, you know, and they, in many respects, correlate perfectly with Sitchins work which is... You know, Neil has told me... He says, you know, Zecharia really should get the Nobel Prize. But I dont know what they would grant it to him, in what field. But hes such an outstanding scholar in what hes done and with his...The Earth Chronicles is what he calls all of his work. I think there are seven or eight of them now. BR: I have two questions. One is a minor one to do with celestial mechanics. And its just something that Ive never understood. And Ive heard this from... Ive heard this question from many other people, as well... that if Nibiru comes from the outer reaches of the solar system, its going to be an icy rock, which isnt going to be the kind of place that any beings could live on, or would want to live on. And researcher Andy Lloyd, who you have probably heard about, has theorized that what theyre seeing in the photographs that you refer to as an orange object is actually a Brown Dwarf, with the possibility of Nibiru being one of its moons, if you like. And theres a lot of debate about how to apply what Sitchin seems to have been saying to the real practicalities of life on an icy rock out in the orbit of Pluto. And I wondered if you knew, or had anything to say about that. BD: No, its not an icy rock. And yes, when it makes its long journey out and back, it gets so far away from the sun that the sun is probably no more than a little tiny prick of light, a little tiny pinpoint. And you would think that it would be naturally icy cold. No, it ... Apparently the planet, like many planets in the system here, generates its own heat. It has in its core a generating heat system very much like our own. We have a system within the core of this planet that is a... that has been described as a thermonuclear reaction, very similar to the sun. Now, most of the life and all of the bounty and all of the beauty of life on this planet comes from our going around this beautiful sun. But I dont think Nibiru is an icy rock. No. I think, first of all, that it probably generates enough of its own heat, and I think they probably did, indeed, create for themselves, with the advanced technology that they have, a kind of a Dyson sphere. Are you familiar with that?

BR: Mm hm. BD: You know what, the brilliant British astronomer, I think, Freeman Dyson, said some years ago that an incredibly advanced technology will have the ability to enclose its planet and retain not only its heat, but its atmosphere. And I suspect that the Anunnaki have done that to Nibiru. And they probably did it... Good Lord... hundreds or thousands or maybe a million years ago. So the planet... I think the color from it, the dull red-golden color, is a result of that envelope of gold shell that theyve created. Theyve created for themselves a Dyson sphere around their planet. And I suspect that any advanced technology will ultimately do the same, simply because it makes sense. Its a practical thing. BR: If they had that degree of engineering capability, why wouldnt they just live on Mars instead of hurtling through the solar system? BD: Well, they werent the original occupants of Mars. BR: OK. BD: They used Mars as a way-station, and theyve reactivated it. I agree with Zecharia on that, that theyve reactivated their way-system, their way-station there. They used to drop off on Mars on their way here. So they were never, I dont think, original inhabitants of Mars. BR: No. I like what youre saying. BD: There are a few remnants of the original inhabitants on Mars. There is even some indications which Ive been looking into, and Ive gotten some data, that were playing host to a bunch of Martians here on this planet. Im talking about the original species. BR: Do you know anything about the original Martian species? Or, have you ever... BD: Other than... The only thing... Ive talked to a couple of remote viewers whove apparently been able to come face-to-face with them, so to speak, and they ended up looking a lot like American Indians. BR: Mm hm. OK. BD: And I may have met a Martian [laughing]. Ive known so many strange people in my life. BR: Sure. I mean, I understand this well enough to know not to laugh at a comment like that. Thats for sure, so... That, believe it or not, was meant to be a minor question. I have a more major one, something that I thought you might want to talk about. Or, maybe I misunderstood you a little earlier on, I think, in a conversation that Kerry had reported with you. Some serious researchers, Linda Howe, Jim Marrs, quite a lot of other people, are really suspecting that there may a hoaxed alien invasion as a kind of major celestial 911 event in our skies. BD: Youre talking about a false flag kind of situation? BR: False flag, yes. And,.. BD: If we were to pull that off... If any of our idiot nitwits back there think that they could pull that off, I think theyd make absolute damn fools of themselves. Because I dont believe it would work. I dont think you can do that when youve got the real power out there that wouldnt allow that to happen! BR: Not so much an invasion, but a big display in the sky to create fear and make you believe... to control... like Carol Rosen said that she had always been told by Wernher von Braun many years ago. BD: Yes, Wernher shared that, apparently, before he died, that he...

It was one of the programs that the government at the time was considering. You know, theyve had these little plots theyve been working on all the time. This war, that war, a stock market crash... this, that, you know... all these little magician things that, that while Im showing you this hand, Im picking your pocket with this one. They may have had that in mind at that time, but I dont think theyre thinking of it seriously now, because I think that our so-called Powers That Be -- which is a joke -- are in such close relationship and collusion with the real power [points upward] that it would never work. They would never allow it. Its like theyre [points upward] not going to allow a thermonuclear war. BR: Yes. BD: Theres too much valuable real estate here! Not just this rich gold mine of human genetics. What a ripe reservoir we are, of genes and... God! The whole species plus all of the other fauna and all of the other flora... this is a valuable planet. And they love it. They own it! Weve never owned it. We just live on it. They farm us, so to speak. God! [sighs] [Kerry laughs] Charles Forte was right, to some degree. We are property. And were going to remain property until we reach a point where we can literally stand up and say: All right. Were going to do this now ourselves. And prove it to the universe. Were dealing with a universe filled with life! And most of it is so far beyond our own! I used an analogy one time. And I said: They look upon us like we look upon head-hunters in New Guinea. Now, youve seen the films, you know, History Channel and all the rest. Theyre naked. Theyre running around with these stupid things on their penises and, you know, bones through their... whatever. Pathetic, sad, primitive savages. Theyre not to be feared. Theyre not to be abused. Theyre to be nurtured and cared for. Well, the difference between some of them out there [points upward] and us is the difference between us and these poor guys in New Guinea and those rain forests out there. Now, I joked about that, and then I learned later that that wasnt really a very accurate comparison. I learned later that I didnt even come close to an appropriate comparison! That the real comparison between many of them [points upward] out there and us is closer to how we feel about the chimpanzee. And, Bill, if you allow your mind to take those trips, and I know you do, there are creatures and life forms out there that are literally god-like. A lot of the remote viewers who have encountered them -- and Ive seen a few of them myself -- look upon them as transcendentals. They manifest as living energy life forms, forms of light. Theyre the same kind that appeared when Jesus was walking around. Probably the same kind of guys that showed up for poor... what was it? Joseph Smith. I know the history of the Mormon faith. Poor Joe had an event one time happening in his bedroom where two brilliant, beautiful, tall, glimmering, glistening beings of pure light appeared in his bedroom. Those were transcendentals. Now, the difference between them and us is between us and the Rhesus monkey. [Bill laughs] So, I think Im getting close. Maybe not. But Im thinking Im getting close to an analogy that may be more realistic. I have nothing but hope because Im an immortal being. Im an infinite

life form. If you could see me the way I really am, Bill, it wouldnt be in this pathetic body with the ... BR: Its only our bodies were describing. BD: Oh, thats right! You know, this is just the shell. Ive had it for 79 years. Ive used it badly, and Ive abused it over the years. [Kerry laughs] And Im beginning to pay the lessons, the prices, for that. But if you could see me as I can see you... We are shimmering beings of light. BR: Yes. KC: Absolutely. Well, OK. I have a question for you because hes [meaning Zecharia Sitchin] got a book out called End of Days. BD: Yes. KC: And, in that book, he actually talks about Nibiru and the return. But he doesnt say that its actually going to happen now. BD: He says... He thinks its about 2060. That was his estimate. KC: OK. And so, where does this information that you have, and 2012... How do we put this all together? Because Im going to say something about what youre telling us... because its clear that youre something of an intelligence analyst yourself. You certainly have an incredible background. You can cross-correlate, and so on. But you also have some insider contacts. And you also have contact with Anunnaki, as youve said. All right? So, where are you getting your information? And are they saying anything specific about whats happening in 2012? Because Im not so sure about Zecharias conclusion. BD: He said 2060, but apparently it could be before that. The Department of Defense is quite concerned about it. There are entire sections of the Defense Department that are working on that subject, particularly. The big question is: Are we and it going to be on the same side of the sun at the same time? And some of our remote viewers have concluded, yes, its going to happen this time; that we and it will be on the same side of the sun at the same time. And if the remote viewer... And theyre getting their information from ETs, and much of my information is from the same source. And, yes, were in for some bad times. KC: And were talking about while were still here on the planet, because I dont know that wed be alive during 2060. BD: Well, I dont know whether Ill still be here or not. You know, Ill be 80 in March and, you know, Ive got a ticket out of here. KC: Right. BD: Ive got it stamped. Ive got it paid. Im nine years beyond my warranty as it is! KC: [laughing] No, but I think that youre going to live quite a while. So, what... OK. So weve got this interesting thing going on and were getting... We have a huge crack-down on anything to do with Planet X. BD: Yes. KC: Its been made the laughing stock. Its an amazing thing! BD: Oh, the ridicule is [shakes head]... KC: I mean, I think it supersedes even the ET ridicule. BD: Oh, it does! It does. KC: I think its been so strong. And it actually has come, I would say, from the Vatican. BD: Mm hm. KC: So what are they so afraid of, number one? And, number two, have you heard the theory that basically what has to happen is, a

protective shield is going to be put around the Earth such that this time its actually not going to have the impact that it has in the past? BD: Ive heard that rumor in passing, and the technology exists to do that. What I have a suspicion is that much of what will transpire will be allowed to transpire. The Earth is not going to be destroyed, and the human race is not going to come to an end. But it is going to be a difficult period of time when it begins. And let me tell you, it has already begun. The reaction from the sun is a clear response to the presence of this other body. Now, this other body has already been photographed by telescopes in southern Chili and in New Zealand. I had asked Marcia to dig into her files. I had an article from a good friend who publishes a magazine in Rome. Adriano. I dont know whether you know about Adriano Forgione. Brilliant young man. KC: Yes. BD: Anyhow, he has connections with the Vatican. He has good friends who are Jesuit priests and astronomers. And the Vatican is concerned about it. Anyhow, Adriano sent me an article, including two photographs that have been taken of Nibiru -- already! -- taken by, primarily, I think, this observatory in Chili. But theyve taken pictures at an observatory in New Zealand, as well. So, its close enough now that optical telescopes have pictures of it and theyre studying it carefully to try to determine... what is it they call it... the celestial mechanics of how everything moves. Well, if our remote viewers are correct and the ETs have given us some run-down on it, its going to be a difficult passing. Because we and it are going to be on the same side of the sun at the same time. And that means all hells going to break loose. Now, they have the technology. Were talking about not only Anunnaki. There are intelligences out there that began a billion years ago. And they have technology that puts them in a category of what Kaku would call a Type III Civilization. KC: Mm hm. BD: So, a Type III Civilization has the technology to ameliorate or mitigate the passing of Nibiru. Now, whether they do that, as you say, put a protective shield around it... Nibiru has done that for itself. They have a protective shield around their planet which is why in the photographs it comes out as kind of reddish-gold. And apparently thats why they came here for the gold in the first place. Because they were losing their atmosphere and they needed to seed gold particles in their atmosphere to keep the atmosphere from... You know, they go on a long trip out there. KC: OK, but the Anunnaki are here, youre saying. And yet, the Anunnaki are supposedly on Nibiru as well. Or, what are you thinking? Or, whats your sources telling you about this? BD: The civilization, the Anunnaki civilization, is on the planet, but the Anunnaki are on this planet as well, all over the damn place... under the sea. The facilities that we know about... inside Mount Hayes in Alaska, inside Mount Perdido in the Pyrenees. Theres one right in the middle of Australia which is near... what, Alice Springs. And whats the facility out there? BR: Pine Gap. BD: Pine Gap! Yes. Thank you, my friend. Pine Gap. BR: Are you referring to...

BD: And that happens to be the R&R facility, according to the remote viewers. KC: Whats R&R? Im sorry... BD: Rest and relaxation. [Kerry laughs] Its what we used to call it in the military when we... KC: The R&R facility for who? What, the Anunnaki? BD: For the ETs and the Anunnaki. Yes. KC: Pine Gap. BD: And theyre dealing with human beings, they need rest and relaxation! [Kerry laughs] But, anyhow, the rumor is that Pine Gap is primarily an R&R facility. KC: Have you been there? BD: Ive been to Australia. I havent been to Pine Gap, no. [smiles] KC: Would you lie to me? BD: Sometimes, maybe, but not right now, no. KC: OK. BD: No, I havent been to Pine Gap. A lot of my work has been a result of analyzing and sifting and evaluating the work of others. Thats what an intelligence analyst does, takes data from a variety of sources. But I have some information that I have been provided from sources within the U.S. government that tell me that, yes, they are deeply concerned about it. And, theyre worried sick about it. And they dont know what to do about it, because we dont have the power to do a damn thing about it! BR: Is the estimated date, as best you are given time to understand by your sources, in the next few years, rather than Sitchins estimate of 2060? BD: Well, let me tell you something about... You talking about 2012? BR: Im talking... well, there are some serious Planet X researchers who say that well see the thing next year, and things could be starting... BD: I think you may see it next year, but I dont think youre going to have all hell breaking loose until maybe about 2020. Youre going to have a build-up of factors. Its not going to happen all of a sudden, just like that. [snaps fingers] Youre not going to go out the front door and all hells breaking loose. Youre going to see a series of events taking place involving our geologic structures. Youre going to have increased volcanic activity. Youre going to have increased sun spot activity. Were at a low right now! KC: Mm hm. BD: But you are going to see tremendous sun spot activity. Youre going see tremendous geologic activity. The Ring of Fire will probably erupt. Now, these are all going to be clues that all hell is coming, you know. Youre going to have storms. The cyclones have been getting worse, and the hurricanes have been getting worse. Youll begin having hurricanes showing up in places that they really havent troubled us for a long, long time. So, youre going to have a build-up. Not slowly, but a consistent build-up of geological and weather and sun spot activities. And youre probably going... The estimate that Ive heard from people who have studied it, is about 2020. KC: OK, but we have heard that Sitchin, as well-meaning as he may be, is working for the government. And my understanding would be, is they dont want this information out. So theyre doing everything in their power to make sure that its ridiculed, as weve observed.

BD: Kerry, what could the government, or anyone else, tell you? What could they say to you? Would they tell you that... Grab your hat, dig a hole, hang on? Would anything they say.... KC: Well, is that what the underground bases is all about? BD: Well, I have always had the conviction -- and Ive put this together over the years -- that the so-called elite, the crme de la crme (theyre self-designated, you know), they have been preparing for chaos for years! It initially was initiated by the thermonuclear threat with the Soviets -- underground, you know, fall-out shelters where we could go. We have our own air-conditioning. We can have our own food supplies and our own water supplies. That was a program that began that I worked very closely with when I was with FEMA over the years. Ive been in underground facilities you wouldnt believe! KC: Mm hm. BD: And there are facilities everywhere that are not known. I mean, theres a big facility right under Fort Wachuga here in Arizona. I mean a massive one! That will never come out. Im telling it now, but, you know... Theres a deep, deep, massive underground facility under Fort Wachuga. Theyre all over the place. And I went to a Department of Energy school at Camp Mercury in Nevada. That was the first time I visited Site 51. I may have shared that with you. KC: Mm hm. BD: Anyhow, I went to school in, oh, 79, a Department of Energy school on radioactive emergency disaster response, anyhow. KC: So, you went into the underground base at 51? BD: No, I talked to the guys who built some of them. I also took a bus ride over the pass from Camp Mercury, which is the atomic test facility there, over the pass. I went into Site 51, Groom Lake, from the rear. And it was no big thing, just a tremendous facility there. Most of it was underground. And the hangars... KC: So. OK. First they reacted to the Soviet threat and all that, and the nuclear... BD: Itll build up slowly, and its already subtly begun. And they dont want to talk about it. No one wants to share it. I mean, look, for Gods sake, at the lid theyve kept on the reality of ET activity on the Moon and Mars! KC: Mm hm. BD: With the ridicule factor, and the lid coming down... I think Robert Harrington did lose his life because he said too much. He says: Oh, it seems to be a rather nice planet, and we know about it, and all we need to do is name it. And, then, bless his heart... You know, hed never had a heart problem, but within a year he was dead with a heart attack. You know, when Ike met that crowd at Muroc, which is now Edwards... KC: Right. BD: ...in 54, he met the Anunnaki. KC: Mm. BD: Poor Ike, not long after that, had a heart attack. It was more than he was able to deal with. The shock of that reality took a toll on him. KC: Mm.

BD: And thats one of the reasons why the Brookings Report reached the conclusion it did! You cant tell those poor folks out there all this. They couldnt handle it! Well, B.S. They can handle it! Damn... Human beings can handle anything. KC: [laughs] I have to agree with you. BD: I mean, weve gone through hell over the centuries. KC: Absolutely. BD: We can handle Attila the Hun and Adolf Hitler, we can handle anything. Weve been designed to handle anything. We havent been designed to live very long, but then again, theres another story there. KC: Right. BD: Where did you think that this tremendous outpouring of knowledge on the double helix, our RNA, our DNA, and all of that, has been coming forth? Is there some connection with the fact that maybe we now have a relationship with the guys who originally designed us in the first place? KC: Sure. BD: Of course we have. Were now in the process of redesigning and engineering our own DNA. And were being told how. Were being shown how. And thank God theyre sharing it with us now, because the first time poor old Adama and Ewa wanted the knowledge, they threw em out of the Garden, as it were, you know? And thats another thing I want to talk about briefly in passing... is that theres no such thing as original sin. And thats a crock of manure thats been forced down your throats for thousands of years. There is no such thing as original sin. The human race never fell. It was pushed! [Kerry laughs] And this species that you and I are a part of, this beautiful, wonderful, hopefully incredible race of humans does have a future. And it is in the stars. And we are going out there to reclaim our rightful place, where we should have been in the first place. KC: OK. And this gets into the Secret Space Program and terraforming, because there is some terraforming going on, preparing for what might happen if Nibiru comes through, and if the Earth is in such a state... Were talking about terraforming Mars, maybe beyond. Have you heard things about this? BD: Yes, terraforming is a fine art. Its been going on for millions of years. The Earth itself was terraformed. KC: Right. BD: You know, it was prepared. The Garden was prepared for life. And then life was introduced and has been nurtured since, from the very beginning. Terraforming is a fine art, and some of those guys out there whove been around a billion years are pretty good at it! So, you see, I dont know whether theyre planning to re-terraform us after Nibiru passes. Or whether they are going to try to help alleviate the damage in the meantime? I would suspect the latter. Maybe they are planning, through their engineering genius... and, my god, the fact is... You know, theyve got artificially constructed objects in space in the rings of Saturn that are over 2,000 miles long! Space ships 2,000 miles long! I have pictures. Ill share them next week. KC: OK. What about John Walson? Are you familiar with his pictures of the craft around the sun?

BD: Ive heard of it, but I havent seen them. KC: All right. Just wondering. BD: Weve got objects... I have photographs taken by Apollo 13 of alien ships five miles long, and Im showing those over at San Jose. KC: Wonderful. BD: And those were taken by our own astronauts. Now, you get the guys on Apollo 13 -- and theyre all, from what I understand, all three still alive -- and you wont get a one of em to admit who snapped the shutter on that camera. But the film is there and the negative number is there. The roll number is there. And, there it is -- a NASA photograph of a five-mile-long artificial space ship! Now... And thats only... Thats small. KC: Well, lets talk about the astronauts for a minute, because... Whats going on with Clark McClelland? And why is he having such a problem coming forward? BD: I didnt know Clark was having a problem. KC: He has a book that hes trying to write. Hes penniless. Hes had a terrible time. They dont want him to talk. BD: No. They probably dont. KC: OK. And, have you met... You know, have you talked to the astronauts? What about Edgar Mitchell? Have you talked to Edgar Mitchell? BD: I... I talked, before he died, with Gordon Cooper. I was on the phone a few times with Cooper. He even sent me an autographed photograph of himself. I admired him because he was one of the mavericks that had the courage to come out and say what he had seen. Ive known Ed Mitchell for some years. Every time I get a chance to see him, I chat with him, and I consider him a delightful man. Hes very warm and terribly bright. KC: Are they mind-controlled? BD: To some degree. KC: Have their minds been wiped? BD: Cooper... Cooper never was. KC: OK. BD: They never got to Gordon. And I dont think they got to Neil Armstrong either. But, all of the rest of them, to some level, have been kind of ... whats the word Im looking for here? [sighs] They have been conditioned not to speak. And in some cases, they may have been hypnotically effected to not remember. In Dark Mission, Hoagland says -- and the evidence is pretty clear -that they hypnotically... Debriefed is what they called it. But, supposedly, they were hypnotized to help them enhance their memory, to recall. Apparently some of them had been hypnotically advised not to remember certain things. As much as I admire Ed Mitchell and respect him -- a tremendous, wonderful guy -- he has admitted publicly in front of other people that his time on the Moon, walking on the Moon, was kind of vague. He cant... He cant recall everything. And, of course, thats sad. I dont think they ever got to Neil Armstrong because when he got back he left the program, said: To hell with it, Im out of here. He went back to Cincinnati and started teaching math at the university there. And Armstrong hasnt said five words publicly since. KC: Uh huh. BD: And then you have the case of Aldrin. Now, Aldrin has had experiences where he has been with friends and the subject would come up. And Buzz would start to cry or he would get nauseated. One time -- and Hoagland touches upon this, I think, in Chapter Ten in

the book -- where Aldrin was in conversation with a few people and with his wife, having a few drinks and it was just relaxed. And somebody asked him a blunt, straight-to-the-point question, and he had to run out and throw up. He got sick! Now, this, to me, is the result... and Ive studied it enough over the years to know that it sounds to me like hypnotic suggestion. KC: Mm hm. BD: He has been hypnotically conditioned not to remember, or to not even discuss it. He gets nauseated. And in one instance with a bunch of friends, old Fly Boy types, he ended up starting to cry. Now, this breaks my heart because Aldrin is a good man. He was one of our better men to be selected for that program. KC: Um hm. BD: You know... You know the story, and this is common knowledge. They got back from Apollo 11. They put Aldrin in a sanitarium for about six weeks. He had... suffering from alcoholism. Do you believe that? [Kerry laughs] Do you believe one of our best and bravest, one of the finest in the Apollo Program suffered from alcoholism? Nonsense! You know... Apparently, it was the programming, to be reinforced. Now why would a grown man with his background break down and cry like a baby or end up getting nauseous and barf on this subject? Thats hypnotic, post-hypnotic stress. KC: So what is it on the Moon that is, you know, that is so important that they want to completely whitewash it out of those mens minds? BD: Oh, my god! The astronomical societies, the professional astronomers in this country, have been guilty of criminal activity! You may quote me. Theyve been guilty of criminal activity for years to not discuss the reality of what they knew on the Moon. There are major facilities and major activities going on on the Moon all the time. Not only that, the Moon has water. Now, whether its a natural process from the satellite, or whether its water thats been stored there for use, there are vaporous signs of a form of an atmosphere in the bottom of some of the craters. Now, astronomers have seen these pictures, but that dishonest bunch of nitwits wont discuss it. Theyre scared because... You know why? Ninety percent of their income comes from government grants. And when youve got a government grant and thats your prime source of income, youre going to say whatever the government says you should say. Or dont say whatever the government doesnt want said. Well, anyhow, there is some atmosphere on the Moon, at least in the base of several of the larger craters. There is water on the Moon. But there is major activity going on! I mean, were talking about engineering activity. There are giant ships that come and go out of the craters. There are lights all the time. They have noticed bridges appearing and then disappearing. I mean, theyre active as hell on the Moon! KC: What about... BD: But the same activity is going on on Mars! Youve seen my photograph, I guess... Its not only my photograph. But theres a city the size of Chicago underground on Mars thats generating so much heat it shows up in infrared photographs. KC: Are you in touch with John Lear? BD: Ive met John. Ive been at his house a time or two. Ive visited him. I have a tremendous respect for him. The reason I like John is,

hes been nailed, as I have, as a damn fool maverick, you know? KC: I mean, this is his pet, you know, project. BD: The establishment has tried to ridicule John Lear, and you cant ridicule John Lear because hes got sources, similar to some of my own, that are beyond question. Hes getting people inside feeding him information almost on a regular basis. [Kerry laughs] I get mine in bits and pieces when I go to conferences and when I meet people, you know. But John gets it direct. KC: OK. I have a question for you about Arlington Institute and whats happening and might be happening in October, because we have a lot of information coming out about October and about something that may be planned. I dont know if youve heard some of this stuff. We have... Our top secret witnesses are coming out and saying, you know, that the economy is being engineered to crash here in the U.S, that... BD: Oh, this whole thing has been engineered. KC: All right. BD: Its been diddled. You know, this is a joke. And the poor guy out there, the poor working man on the street, as it were, is being screwed royally! But, you know, this whole thing... Kerry, I would almost come to a point that 90% of what you call reality -- our threats with the Russians, the Georgia invasion, the stock market collapse -- all of this is all engineered. KC: So tell us about it. So tell us about Georgia because... OK, to get back to... I know you know the guy whos head of, or was head of, the Arlington Institute. They are sending out a newsletter saying... inviting people to tell them what dreams and visions theyre having about October, because October has become such a hot month. In tracking, there is something called Half Past Human. Have you heard of them? BD: In passing. KC: Theyre doing, you know... They do language. They track with web bots all over the internet, basically tracking where language is going. Theyve been doing it since 98 with computers and so on. And they were able to chart, like before 911, this huge raise in consciousness that some event was imminent. What theyre getting for October is the same thing, only something even more long-range in its effect. BD: Well, I have a tremendous respect for John Peterson. Hes a brilliant guy. KC: All right. BD: Ive known him for some years. KC: So, Arlington Institute is suddenly asking for peoples dreams and visions about October. Why? BD: Marcia... Marcia is more in touch with John now than I am. Shes a computer person, you understand. I wont touch the damn thing! KC: I understand. BD: Because, as I told you earlier, I enjoy my privacy. And if youre on the world wide web, you dont have any privacy. KC: OK, I agree with you there, so... OK. But you know him. And Im just basically... Youre saying this thing is engineered. So what happened in Georgia? What do you know about it? BD: Oh, it was all engineered. KC: OK, so the Russians, you know, were tipped off. BD: The President of Georgia did what he did just to lure the Russians in. KC: Right. BD: And, he went in... The Russians could not have ignored him, for gods sake! He invaded one of their little... well...

KC: So, whats the purpose behind it, though? We know what happened, but why? BD: I think... What could the purpose be other than to distract peoples attention from this over here to this over here? While our economy was falling around your knees, were all paying attention to the Russians invading poor little Georgia! Well, the Russians didnt invade poor little Georgia. They went out and whacked the President of Georgias little pee-pee, as it were. [slaps his hand together]. Stop that! And they pulled back, you know. KC: Right. BD: You know how a magician works? He gets you in front of, you know... and hes doing this with this hand while hes picking your pocket with this one. KC: Thats right. BD: And thats what the government is doing. And when I say government, its not the government you think youve got. Its not the, you know... God, thats all a faade in itself! The government weve got is probably being totally run by the Anunnaki, because there is a power beyond power [points upward] thats pulling the strings. KC: Right. BD: They call them the Illuminati, but there are guys above the Illuminati that are really in power. KC: OK. But were told the Vatican is behind a lot of it, and that... In other words, the Vatican is behind whats going on in the U.S., that theres a plan. And youve got the Anunnaki. This is not a positive plan, OK? To take down the U.S. BD: Well, they think it is. KC: Do you think it is? BD: Their ultimate idea is, yes, a positive idea. KC: OK, what is it? BD: A one-world government. KC: Oh, all right. BD: Of course thats what they want. KC: Right. BD: And theyre going to have it, eventually. KC: Absolutely. Now, you can have a positive one-world government. Right? BD: But the growing pains... The growing pains that we go through before we get there... Its going to be pretty horrendous. Not only are we going to have to put up with this crap with Nibiru, which is a real thing... But this growing process that were going through to end up eventually with a one-world government is going to be painful as hell! And theres going to be a lot of blood on the streets before its over with. Sadly enough, thats, in my opinion, a fact. And thats being manipulated [points upward] from a very high level. KC: OK, but we have white hats in the U.S. government that are actually trying to prevent this. Are they not? BD: We have some good men and good women who are well aware of whats taking place and whats transpiring. And theyre trying to modify, ameliorate... Is that the right word? To make this growth pain as painless as possible. Theyre trying to not have as much blood as it might take. Growth from adolescence as a species and as a society is somewhat like the painful growth of an adolescent kid 13 years old whos trying to grow up. Do you remember when you went through that? KC: Sure. BD: It was not fun time. KC: Absolutely. So... OK, but lets get down to the nuts and bolts.

The stock market is crashing. You need to invest in gold and silver if you want to stay alive. BD: The stock market was rotten to its core. KC: Absolutely. But, are you telling people to leave, to go to South America? BD: No. KC: Whats your advice? BD: Im telling people that youre in for some difficult times, and I say this in my presentations. I jokingly look at them and say: You are all doomed. Theres not a one of you thats going to be around a hundred years from now. Youre doomed! So, the hell with it. Enjoy the ride! [Kerry laughs] No, I tell people who are interested in listening to whatever it is I have to say, that youre in for some difficult times. Its going to happen. There is no way to avoid it. We cannot go on as we were, because some of our systems were rotten to the core. And, our banking system, the insurance programs, all of that... stock market, Wall Street. Those guys were absolutely rotten. KC: The housing industry? BD: The housing industry! That was bound to fail! You talk about a bubble! It was bound to fail. It had to fail. Well, Im glad it failed. Hope to hell that they learned something from it. Now... KC: OK, but were talking... Are we talking about martial law in the United States? I mean, what are we talking here? BD: Youre talking about a time when you may have martial law. Its only one step away. You know that the authority has been given to the president to declare it. KC: Right. BD: Congress gave that authority to the president years ago. Ive even lost track of how long its been. But, anyhow, all the president has to do, whoever he may be... and that doesnt matter much anymore either, because one nitwit is very much like the other. You have a national emergency, and its declared. KC: Right. BD: Boom. Martial law! You declare a national emergency which has not been declared yet. KC: Right. BD: But were right on the edge of it. KC: Right. BD: And youre going to have martial law. KC: OK, so we dont have an election. Right? BD: Well, thats... Youre thinking about an October surprise? KC: I have no idea. Im asking you. BD: Well, I dont know about that. Im not sure itll happen in October. I suspect it may occur within the next year. But I dont know... I havent had any dreams. My dreams have been pretty fascinating recently. But none of them have been terribly troubling. And I know this is all happening. Its going to take place. Its inevitable. Its been orchestrated. The Illuminati do exist. They are in power. Theyve been in power for years. Theyve been demonstrating that power ever since 1913 when they created the... What the hell is the banking system? KC: Federal Reserve. BD: Federal Reserve, yes, which is a private corporation. We lost most of it in 47. I dont know whether you were aware of that, but that was a big year. National security became everything. It became a

member of the triad. In 47 we declared... We made the National Security Agency. We formed a pact with the Brits, the Australians, the Canadians, and New Zealand, the UKUSA Pact, which most people dont even know exists. The UKUSA crowd, all of us, Britain, the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, Australia, are all like this [clenches hands together]. Whoever is in the White House and whoever is at Buckingham Palace... it dont matter. KC: All right. BD: The power behind the scenes has been running this damn thing since 1947, and Ike saw it. It scared the hell out of him. He met the Anunnaki. That scared the hell out of him. So theyre pulling our strings now, like they always have. KC: OK, so whats your solution? What would you tell people? I mean, in facing the future, in trying to reinvent the future. Certainly Marcia is working with people to... to become enlightened, to apply... BD: Shes doing a tremendous amount of work to help people trans... make this transition. Kerry, were not just going through a transition. Were going through a transcendent transformation, literally... a transcendent transformation. Were going to come out of this thing, when its over with, a totally different species. Were not going to be the same people we were in the past. And thats good! And its going to hurt. And its going to be painful. And I tell people... and Ive said this repeatedly: Dont get too uptight about it. Youve been through hell before. Youre going through a bit of it again. But once its over, once youve made that transition, were going to have, hopefully, a new world, a new future, a new beginning. And I think thats the end of the Great Year that were going through. Were going through the end of a 26,000-year cycle. I tell you, 2012... phhhft, dont matter! First of all, Christ was born seven years before. And this is a fact. And if you dont believe me, get Sir Lawrence Gardner, who is probably one of the best historians weve got working today. Lawrence Gardners got the facts. Jesus was born in 7 BC, on the first of March. Now, if you want to count from his birth, like we supposedly have been doing, add seven years to 2008. You end up with 2015. Thats pretty close to 20... KC: Oh, so youre saying we are actually in the year 2015 now. BD: Were in the year 2015 right now. KC: Right. So that means that Nibiru... When you say its coming in 2020, its actually due in about five years. BD: Probably. KC: So, were looking at 2013 by our calendar. BD: Well, no later than 2017 [smiles]. Ill throw 2017 out. KC: OK. BD: And you can take that to the bank. [laughter] 2017. Now that... KC: OK. BD: Thatll give or take a year or two because the celestial mechanics... They havent really worked it all out yet. Weve got computers you wouldnt believe but theyre still trying to feed in some of the data. KC: So, are you... Is one of the remote viewers youre in touch with Ingo Swann? BD: I havent been in touch with Ingo for some time, but I... Kerry, Ive been doing some remote viewing. KC: Right. BD: Ive even had a couple of out-of-body experiences.

KC: Mm hm. BD: Ive been doing a lot of meditating. When you go in... When you step into that world, there is no time, and you can talk to anybody, everywhere, all at once. Now, that sounds silly to anyone who doesnt understand what Im trying to say. When you step into that realm of timelessness, and you remote view, and you step out of your body, and you go into altered states, and you meditate, youre in a timeless, infinite reality that people communicate... Youd be shocked and amazed at the wealth of information thats out there just to tap into. The old ones used to talk about the Akashic Records. KC: Mm hm. BD: Its real. Its real! And it isnt just about the past because, Kerry, there is no past, nor is there a future. Theres only an eternal Now. And a physicist sitting here in this room would say, Balderdash! Because they wouldnt grasp for a minute what Im trying to talk about. But old Ingo would. KC: Yes. Absolutely. Well, Ive been some of those places myself, that youre talking about. BD: I knew it! You see... KC: [laughing] And so I have to say youre absolutely right, and its an incredible pleasure for us to hear this from yourself. And I... You know, I would like to, at this time, just open the floor and say is there anything that we havent covered here that you would like to talk about? And, then, of course, we would also like to invite Bill to ask you some questions. BD: Weve danced around on a whole bunch of things for the last hour. I enjoy it. I enjoy chatting with you two guys. Youre pleasant people. As I say, Im an old codger, and if you plug me in and turn me loose, theres no telling where I may end up. Ive been around 79 years this trip. Ive made a dozen or two previous trips which, amazingly, I remember quite a bit about. When you start going into that timeless realm, you step into that infinite which were all part of, memories of other lives come flooding into you sometimes. Oh, god! The things Ive seen, the things Ive done, the places Ive been... this life... are kind of shocking. The things Ive done, the places Ive been, the lives Ive lived before are beyond belief. I... Im not boasting. This is not a boast. But Im an old soul. Ive been around on this planet a long time. And, I, amazingly, remember. Some of the memories I would rather not remember because theyre painful. Hell! I have memories of Sumer. I knew the Anunnaki back then, worked with them. I was one of their products. I know them now. And I dont have any fear. And, in bringing this to a close, I would like to say to whoever is watching: Get rid of the fear. You have nothing to fear. You are an immortal, timeless being who has an infinite future in a glorious universe thats so filled with beauty and light that we on this little tiny planet couldnt begin to grasp. [clenches fists] But I say to people, Dont be afraid, for gods sake! Gather around you those you love. Spread that love around and go into tomorrow with courage because youve been through a hell of a lot worse before. So, be hopeful. Love one another. And have courage. And thats really all I have to say. KC: Well, thank you, Bob Dean. Its really an honor and a pleasure. BD: Thank you, Kerry Cassidy. I enjoyed every minute of it.

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