Talk:Abu Shusha
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editI created this page after VfD discussion of Abu Shusha massacre, which is now a redirect to here. Comments:
- The three URLs at Birzeit University are not working so I am linking to the Wayback Machine's copy of the pages for now. Unfortunately the wikipedia software does not like URLs with "http://" in them twice; if you know how to fix this please do.
- Some more information on the mass grave is needed.
- Benny Morris mentioned Abu Shusha in his famous interview with Ari Shavit (Haaretz, Jan 8, 2004): The worst cases [of massacres] were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). It is unclear from the English translation whether "perhaps" indicates uncertainly of the fact of a massacre or only uncertainty over the number of victims. If you have the Hebrew edition of the interview, please check. In my opinion, Morris would not have mentioned Abu Shusha at all unless he has more evidence than is presented in his book, but we will have to wait for him to tell us what it is.
- --Zero 07:33, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Why allegation of a massacre
editStop denying facts zionists. Robin Hood 1212 16:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- allegation is too much as it is. Wikipedia is giving too much exposure to arab fantasies and lies. Amoruso 10:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Most of this article is false. The village did not exist in 1800. This Arab settlement was created by an Arab family named Abu Shusha that came from Jordan invaded some lands that belonged to the NJF (National Jewish Fund) during the British mandate. As the British did not want to provoke Arab hostility, the family was left alone, and demolished parts of the ancient city of Gezer to use them to build their homes. In 1948 the legal ownership of the area was restored and the Abu Shusha family had to return to Jordan. The original interview of Ari Shavit with Benny Morris is mentioned in http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtTower.jhtml?itemNo=380119&nl=07_01. The "perhaps" refers to uncertainty of the fact of a massacre. Badihi 18:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- What a lot of nonsense! If Abu Shusha was founded during the British mandate, how did it get to be on the SWP map published in 1880? --Zerotalk 22:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Abu Shûsheh is a very common name. It is mentioned 7 times in these maps in various non-related places. That does not prove anything. Badihi 09:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- There are two, one in exactly the place covered by this article. Stop trolling. --Zerotalk 11:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
POV cleanup
editArticle edited as part of work on the NPOV backlog. Text rewritten. Since the NPOV tag was placed without any discussion here, the tag is removed. If you disagree with this, please re-tag the article with {{NPOV}} and post to Talk. --- Steve Hart 00:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- is this article being based only on an apparent study by Birzeit University ?? Please note WP:V, WP:RS, WP:CITE Amoruso 14:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- No, it isn't. The reference section lists four sources. -- Steve Hart 15:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
3 Abu Shusha
editThere was at least three villages with the name of Abu Shusha that were depopulated in 1948. Now, I believe that the Flaphan reference refers to the Abu Shusha village in the Haifa district, and not "our" Abu Shusha village. Huldra (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Zochrot seem to think it is Karmei Yosef, is that correct? But, Ameilim was settled in 1948, according to Khalidi, while Karmei Yosef was founded in 1964? Huldra (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Request to remove content with fictitious reference
editThe content supported by reference 26 appears to be a WP:FAKE fictitious reference type 3 - "Off-web references that do exist, but the book or journal makes no reference to the topic referred to in the article."
I have already removed this content from the main Abu Shusha massacre page and am requesting that a more experienced user make the same change here due to this page's restrictions. UpsilonWay (talk) 05:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's not fake. I believe it comes from Guy Ehrlich, "Not Only Deir Yassin," Ha'ir, May 6, 1992. But I don't have access to that so I'm removing it for now. It can go back if someone finds a suitable source. Zerotalk 07:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)