Talk:Equestria

Requested move 12 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: Move. Clear consensus that this is the WP:COMMONNAME. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Kingdom of Equestria → Equestria – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the article should be titled as Equestria as it appears more in the references and sources. In Google, "Kingdom of Equestria" only has 56,000 results, while "Equestria" has about 21,500,000 results. Eflyjason (talk) 09:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

• While it is true that per WP:COMMONNAME, we should use the most used version of the name, I don't see why we would have to, since Equestria already redirects to this page. --Navarre0107 (talk) 14:04, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

• @Navarre0107: Simple example: People's Republic of China redirects to China, not the other way around. Here in Wikipedia they use common name instead of official name. --Eflyjason (talk) 09:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Also even in MLP wikia they use Equestria instead of Kingdom of Equestria. --Eflyjason (talk) 09:29, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose Neutral per lol. I'd never heard of this nation, went to the page, and found that it's a fictional country founded by, of course, three pony tribes (including unicorns, goddess bless them). A setting in the My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic universe, the Kingdom of Equestria also has a cool name and is ruled by five princesses, so WP:ILIKEIT. Unlike China and other real-world environs, shouldn't creators of fictional universes get to name their stuff? Aye, may the common name be forever-and-more dashed under the hoofs of our unicorn masters. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:44, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The thing is that even inside the show they barely said "Kingdom of Equestria", but always "Equestria" only. --Eflyjason (talk) 12:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Just switch the redirects around. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 14:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: I was going to post this in addition to what I left in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Equestria, but I was too busy to post it before the discussion was closed. So I'll leave it here:
  1. There's no in-universe evidence that the land's full name is the "Kingdom of Equestria", and not sure if we can call it a kingdom at all, since that fictional land is not ruled by a king. So, should the article be kept, it must simply be renamed Equestria. But Equestria already redirects to... Don't worry. You can go to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests for assistance.
  2. In the age of the audiovisual media being most influential forces, some of you may want to think the current (a.k.a. "G4") MLP toys are by-product of FIM TV series. But technically, it's the other way round. You know Hasbro is a toy maker. The TV shows like this (as well as animated shorts, animated video films and, sometimes, theatrical feature-length films) is one of marketing strategies used by major toy companies these days. FIM is a part of the 2010 relaunch of MLP, and even the toy descriptions are set in the fictional universe of Equestria. It's commissioned by Hasbro (thorugh Hasbro Studios) after all. So, if the article is going to be deleted, both Equestria and Kingdom of Equestria must be redirected to My Little Pony (2010 toyline), NOT My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Equestria is also the main location of the upcoming theatrical film.

JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually, Equestria is called a kingdom on the first episode, and mentioned as being a kingdom several times after that. I understand if we have to move it, but I'm just done arguing about it. -FLVSstudent417 (talk) 18:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with FLVSstudent417, though I understand renaming the page, I'm just tired of arguing about all of it, and they're right, Equestria is mentioned as being a kingdom a few times. --Navarre0107 (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

No matter what the consensus is, as long as we stop debating this, that's fine with me RainbowIsBestPony (talk) 19:22, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Gah, I have to admit that I haven't watched FIM for a long time. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 07:51, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

That's okay, everyone make mistake sometimes :) --RainbowIsBestPony (talk) 12:28, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support move. More common name, and the Kingdom title can still redirect here. Gial Ackbar (talk) 16:48, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support - Although it would merit a hatnote above this article to prevent confusion with equestrian._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that would be necessary. Although seeing how that disambiguation page mentions a real-life Equestria in South Africa, albeit one without an article of its own, maybe we can consider calling this Equestria (My Little Pony)? User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 18:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't see the need, a hatnote will be sufficient. Something like "This article is about a fictional universe. For the suburb, see Pretoria."_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 04:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

To editor Zxcvbnm: Thank god, that saves us a whole other discussion. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support - Redirect "Kingdom of Equestria" to "Equestria", not the other way around. TheWhangdepootenawah (talk) 00:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Expanding History

Does anyone want to write a new section on the history of Equestria since the First Invasion of Queen Chrysalis?-- Navarre0107 (talk) 13:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Need a map

Can someone please upload the post MLP: The Movie map? --Samantha Ireland (talk) 03:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Comics versus Main Series

@Samantha Ireland:--Hey guys, within the page, should we specify more often, what's in the main series (the assuredly canon) and events that occurred in the comics (which, while it is still argued over, is possibly non-canon)? Should we have mentions from the comics at all?-- Navarre0107 (talk) 03:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Navarre0107:--I think it's been stated before that comics are not necessarily considered mainstream canon by those who write them (more specifically, the comics follow the show, but the show doesn't have to follow the comics), so I take it that the comics should be treated as irreverent to the article and it's details until proven to be show-canon, and would personally prefer the article to be show only as that is fully canon. That being said, the exact policy here is still a bit vauge.-- JadeEditor (talk)

Planet Equis?

Where is the planet referred to as Equis? All soruces I'm aware of refer to the planet as Earth, such as Nightmare Rarity where Luna says she has to get back to Earth. The statement has no citation, so does anyone know? --SupermanFan97 (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

• There seems to be no confirmation of the planet's name through the show proper. As such, I have removed it as a reference --JadeEditor (talk)

Comic Lore questions

There seems to be a lot of references to the My Little Pony comics within this article. However, the comics have been said to be dubiously canon at best, so should we really include indications from there? --JadeEditor (talk)

@JadeEditor:, I’ve asked this question previously on this talk page, without too many responses, I think we should look furtherly into limiting such references, seeing as though they are often seen, both by the fans and creators, to be of varying canonicity at best - Navarre0107 (talk) 03:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Navarre0107: Admittedly I didn't see your comment until I made mine. But I do agree with you on the canoncity I will probably start removing comic references from the article or at least state that some parts of it come from the comics that are dubious at best. Hopefully that passes without too many objections. - JadeEditor (talk)
  • @JadeEditor:, no objection from me my friend, I'll pop in and edit some of them myself as well, most likely - Navarre0107 (talk) 00:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Citation Format

Would anyone be so kind to help me reformat the citations that only list the episode name or just the url? This isn’t inline with Wiki’s guidelines, just want to make sure the page is as good as can be :) Thanks! -Navarre0107 (talk) 03:11, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

I took a crack at it and have fixed most of them. It looks like some the episode titles weren't even correct, grrr...BuySomeApples (talk) 23:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Ponish language

The introduction reads: "Instead of English, it is mentioned that they call their language "Ponish"; however, due to the fact that written English is seen at several times during the series, it is generally understood that this is English under a different name" Is this actually supported? I always assumed that the written words were "translated" for the audience, rather than the ponies literally speaking English under a different name. Unless there's a reliable source, I'm gonna remove the second half of that sentence for speculation.BuySomeApples (talk) 02:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Crystal Empire links to German Metal Album

I get the sense this is an error, since I'm pretty sure the Crystal Empire in the context of my little pony is not "the second full-length album by the German power metal band Freedom Call". Here's hoping I've submitted this correctly! (Probably haven't, I don't much use this talk page affair.) I've not bothered to check all the references, but the link under "Crystal Guard" or whatnot seems to do it.

Yes. That link was obviosly wrong, so I removed it. Gial Ackbar (talk) 07:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Drastic changes?

This article might need drastic changes if it's ever going to be up to standards. There is a ton of information about the history and lore of Equestria that probably shouldn't be on here. Hesitant to remove it but it looks necessary...BuySomeApples (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Proposed cuts

The Equestria article is currently way too long (46,000+ characters) meanwhile the Middle-earth article is only 18,000+ characters. I think if we're trimming down the Equestria article, we should compare it to similar articles about universes which have a lot of lore and worldbuilding (like LoTR). Notably the "Geography" and "History" sections of Middle-earth are way shorter, and there isn't a "Culture" section. The "Government" section can also be folded into the "Geography" and "Inhabitants" sections. Unless someone else has a better idea, I'll start cutting back those sections considerably. Much of the "History" section is already discussed as the plot of MLP:FiM and the movies so it isn't really needed here. If necessary we can always include links to other articles and sections. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

A problem with this article is that it is way too in-universe. I've written out-of-universe stuff in in my sandbox on this article, so feel free to incorporate any of that (just provide attribution). At the time I'm writing this, the article's "readable prose size" is 6820 words (by my count, our second-longest MLP article after My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fandom and even longer than the main MLP:FIM article). I don't really expect it to be shorter than Middle-earth since there are tributary (can't think of the word right now so just using river vocab) articles (lots of "main article" hatnotes). Then again, we can provide a lot less information about Equestria than Middle-earth since there's not as much coverage. This article also doesn't mention G5. While it hasn't been released yet, I think a sentence or paragraph about it could be useful. Pamzeis (talk) 05:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

This is really great stuff! The development section is especially helpful as that's a pretty glaring omission on the page right now. I'll definitely make sure to attribute the text to you when I add it to the page. I just finished chopping down and re-writing the "History" and "Technology and Magic" sections so I'm probably gonna take a break until tomorrow. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pamzeis: I added most of the content from your sandbox to the page, its helped to build it out a lot. I made some edits to integrate it into the test, and removed some older, worse content. I also cleaned up some of the messy infobox sprawl so it looks much nicer now. There's so much work to be done but I'm starting to see real improvement. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

"meanwhile the Middle-earth article is only 18,000+ characters" This is hardly surprising. Middle-earth is an overview article. Much of the information on the associated world is covered in Tolkien's legendarium, Geography of Middle-earth, Tolkien's maps, Cosmology of Tolkien's legendarium, History of Arda, Middle-earth peoples, Languages constructed by J. R. R. Tolkien, and a few other spin-off articles.Dimadick (talk) 14:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

That's a good point @Dimadick: but Equestria is also an overview article it just doesn't have as many supporting pages. The problem is that LoTR has way WAY more secondary and tertiary sources than MLP. These are the books and articles that support detailed geographic and linguistic analyses of Middle-earth. There are literal academic journals just about Tolkien's work. We don't have anything near that level of scholarship for MLP unfortunately. This means that we can't properly explore Equestria on the scale that Middle-earth is. That's why so much of the Equestria article was (and still is) original research or primary sources (the show and comics). If this article is ever gonna get cleaned up and un-tagged (let alone reach GA status) we're gonna have to remove the cruft even if its painful. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Fiendship or Friendship?

2603:8000:D300:D0F:ECFD:2826:F5CF:5433 (talk) 06:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

There are some comics form IDW named "FIENDship is Magic" about the backstories of the villains of the show. Elsewere, Friendshpi sould be coorrect. Gial Ackbar (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Timberwolves and other species

Can the Timberwolves and other species, such as the Parasprites be on this page? These creatures also live there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4700:72A0:F550:707E:33B8:EE51 (talk) 10:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that would be an improvement. The article is already way too detailed. It should only the most importance facts, not every detail about floa and fauna. More details should only be in the MLP Fandom Wikis. Gial Ackbar (talk) 13:40, 1 December 2023 (UTC)