Talk:Gödel's Loophole

Kegler article

User:Jeffreykegler did a bunch of research about this some years back, and wrote it up here:

https://jeffreykegler.github.io/personal/morgenstern.html

The IAS document mentioned there is the write-up by Oskar Morgenstern that is cited in the article, though according to Jeffrey Kegler's page, it turned up in 2006. 2601:648:8200:970:0:0:0:1A5F (talk) 08:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't think that Kegler's GitHub page qualifies as a reliable source, but I'll take a look at it in case it leads me to something else that is. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:38, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, already I see, in the 4th paragraph, a factual error: the examination took place in Trenton, not in Princeton. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Entrenched Clauses

The loophole could relate to the fact that Article V appears to allow entrenched clauses, i.e. unamendable amendments. There is already an entrenched clause in that no amendment may deprive a state of equal representation in the Senate. The Crittenden Amendments and the Corwin Amendment, both proposed right before the Civil War, but never ratified, would have basically entrenched slavery forever. Piltdown Mann (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Big Brain

One gaping hole is that the limits of Presidential power are defined solely by at least 67 Senators' willingness to convict in a case of impeachment. The President is deemed innocent of any Presidential abuse of power until found guilty in the Senate, and he cannot be found guilty if 34 Senators say no. If the President doesn't have a cult of 34 willing to go along with him, he can use his command of various armed agencies or his control over allocated funds to threaten and/or bribe senators until he has the required 34. He could kill off the entire Senate and then threaten the state officials who appoint vacancies if they do not appoint loyalists. Until he is convicted, anything he does is technically legal, no matter how it contravenes the text of the Constitution. The meaning of the Constitution is not determined by the Supreme Court, it's determined by 67+ Senators, thus any bloc of 34 Senators can redefine the Constitution to mean whatever they want it to mean; and if those 34 are under the control of the President, then the President is beholden to no laws. 2601:19E:4280:5853:3578:CE74:3F9F:CF5B (talk) 17:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)