Talk:Internet celebrity

Is there a reason why JenniCam is not mentioned in the "History" section of this article?

I don't know if there is a reason why Jennifer Ringley (active 04/1996 – 12/2003) isn't mentioned in this article, as her pioneering 24-hour-lifecaster website "JenniCam" has garnered up to four million views daily back then. She appeared on the "Late Show with David Letterman", "The Today Show" and "World News Tonight With Peter Jennings". And she also appeared in more then 100 media outlets from "The Wall Street Journal" to "Modern Ferret" – which even makes her one of the first Petfluencers ;). She had a small role in the crime TV series "Diagnosis: Murder" as a fictionalized version of herself. She also hostet her own Internet talk show "The Jennishow" on The Sync. In 1999, clips from "The Jennishow" were included in the Museum of Modern Art's exhibition "Fame After Photography." – I really don't know how all that can not count for a status of an early Internet Celebrity. I think she should be mentioned. But as I am fairly new to Wikipedia-editing, I may miss something here, and maybe there is a reason for not including her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.115.15 (talk) 19:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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reference to Factors Affecting Selected Area Electron Diffraction Patterns of Mica

This edit by Wobuaichifan cites this reference:

• Güven, Necip (1974). "Factors Affecting Selected Area Electron Diffraction Patterns of Micas*". Clays and Clay Minerals. 22 (1): 97–106. doi:10.1346/CCMN.1974.0220114. ISSN 0009-8604.

which seems unlikely. The reference is behind a paywall, so I can't check, but it looks a bit odd. Wobuaichifan please check and confirm that this is what you intended. A quotation from the source would probably help. (Let me know if you need help including that quote in the citation.) Mitch Ames (talk) 01:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Splitting article

Internet celebrity, social media personality, and internet personality should be a separate article from social media influencer or influencer.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, it would make more sense, if there is the content to support that split. I always found it odd that the article is a mix of internet personality and online influencer, whereas not all of these personalities are influencers, and not all influencers are personalities. There is a considerable overlap based on articles that feature these individuals, but that's due to WP:GNG, not the terminology itself. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

User:CommunityNotesContributor, I created User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Influencer. I am getting a lot of gruff at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at RM/TR – robertsky (talk) 07:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Has this gone through WP:AFC? 162 etc. (talk) 22:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC) This should go through AFC in my opinion. I have my doubts of whether it would survive a deletion discussion. EggRoll97 (talk) 23:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC) I have never gone through AFC unless a WP:COI. On what grounds would this be deleted. It should be clear that an influencer is different than an Internet celebrity, which is the point. Some internet celebrities are not influencers and some influencers are not internet celebrities. Thus, we need a new article. This is stub/start territory, but not AFD territory.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC) @TonyTheTiger The place to discuss this would be the talk page for Internet celebrity. I see you tried and got no response, but you didn't use WP:PROPSPLIT, which would help. You could also let various related wikiprojects know about the discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 06:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC) TonyTheTiger is well past the autoconfirmed threshhold and unlikely to have a CoI here. I fail to see why this would need to go through AfC, as AfC encourages established editors to create articles on their own. --Ahecht (TALK PAGE) 16:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Three editors have already expressed WP:N concerns, so this should definitely be discussed somewhere, and WP:RMT is not the best place for that. I see OP has opened a thread at Talk:Internet celebrity#Splitting article, but no discussion ensued. 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Understood, but AFC isn't the best place for that either. --Ahecht (TALK PAGE) 16:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Main issue I see here is that content from Internet celebrity would need to be moved to the new article as well, rather than just a new page. As asilvering put it, proposing through PROPSPLIT would make most sense here, as I don't doubt there is enough content that already exists on IC to move to Inlufencer. Best of luck with it. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Why not direct Internet celebrity to Influencer instead of the other way around like it currently exists since it could encompass influencer-related content not directly about the internet. In other words, it seems to me Internet celebrity is a subset of Influencer. Nnev66 (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

"Influencer" and "internet celebrity" are not interchangeable terms. I would strongly hesitate popular tiktokers influencers. Many of them influence only teenagers' hormonal balance. - Altenmann >talk 22:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Nnev66 the point of this discussion is to pursue separate articles and discuss what content should be where as either redirecting to the other is not correct (encyclopedically). You may have missed User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Influencer.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I’d support and encourage a split, especially if there’s enough written about the concept in reliable secondary sources. As noted in discussion here, internet celebrities are not influencers. I didn’t realize you had a draft in your sandbox. I’ll do some research to see if there’s any discussion of “influencers” in more scholarly journals later this week. Nnev66 (talk) 22:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I would like to see an influencer article. Its an old concept and needs to examined from that viewpoint. Its not modern phenomena. Its just been given that name recently due to explosion of the internet, but its an old phenoma. With the coming of the press... and so on. scope_creep^Talk 07:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Merging to Influencer history

Based on successful consensus from the above proposal (whether that be through WP:SILENCE or not). I'm proposing to move Internet_celebrity#Influencers_and_marketing_networks section to Influencers#History as per this edit [1] from draft version.

The content is specifically about Influencers with only passing mention of Internet celebrity, that could be left in original article. This could then be replaced with a partial excerpt (suggested 1 paragraph) from Influencers history. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Seems like the right way to go.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
  • User:CommunityNotesContributor, what is the status of these ongoings? Here it looks like the discussion has reached a resolution because no banners remain, but at User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Influencer there is still a banner.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Apologies. I see banner is in article space.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
• I was just surprised to learn that social media influencer redirects to this page. I would support this split which would allow that to be redirected (and perhaps is even the right article title?). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose merging as "Internet celebrity" and "Influencer" is the same thing. Creating another article named "Influencer" would be WP:REDUNDANTFORK. As such, I believe this article, Internet celebrity, should be renamed to Influencer as the latter term is far more common than the former. Kürkisk (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:SheryOfficial
• Support There is definitely enough of a difference between the terms that a split is warranted, but make sure we leave some summary here. --Masem (t) 00:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment They did have influencers before the age of the internet and any changes need to take cognizance of the that. I would like to see a simple influencer article that has historical depth, covering other periods in history. The coming the press for example. scope_creep^Talk 07:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)