Talk:Nurse anesthetist

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Editing out Nurse Anesthesiologist and adding things like midlevel.

Hi there

I have sourced and referenced the additional title nurse anesthesiologist for this article which is an approved title by the national organization which CRNAs are represented by. It is reference #1. Please do not remove it from the article. this is vandalism. Additionally the AANA name is the american assocaiton of nurse anesthesiology not nurse anesthetists. This is clear from their website. It changed this year.Mmackinnon (talk) 23:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Again, trying to reach out to the users who are vandalizing the page

Hello.

You continue to change the correct title of the American Assoc. of Nurse Anesthesiology back to anesthetists. This is not correct as the assoc, changed its name as of august 2021. I have provided this link to evidence that fact. www.aana.com Additionally you continue to eliminate Nurse Anesthesiologist in the document but it is references as an appropriate title. The reference is IN the wiki. Please stop vandalizing the page please and discuss any edits you want to make here on the talk page.Mmackinnon (talk) 23:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Trying to edit the name of the National assoc. and the approved CRNA title.

@Onejokeaway

On my talk page you made some statements but they were not accurate. Here are my responses.

CMS and the WHO do not define titles, the national association approves their use and, just as in my state, they can be used via the approval of the board of nursing. "Physician Anesthesiologist" the approved title of the American Society of Anesthesiologists" is ALSO not "approved" by CMS. Yet it is all over the ASA website and used synonymously with physician. CMS does not, in fact "approve" or "regulate" any titles nor do they have the power to do so.

The AMA and the ASA are political trade organizations representing PHYSICIANS. They cannot dictate policy or titles or anything else to anyone else including CRNAs.

You were blocked for editing with inaccurate terminology. Such as "midlevel", changing the name of the American Assoc. of Nurse Anesthesiology, their official LEGAL name to AANAnesthetists. I have referenced the correct approved titles and the name of the assoc. in the wiki. This is inaccurate and clearly for political reasons. In fact as a physician yourself it is clear you have no other motivation.

"You have allowed Mr. Michael Mackinnon, aka Mmackinnon, to falsely update the page with the phrase nurse anesthesiologist. The term anesthesiologist is reserved for a physician (MD/DO) who went to medical school."

This is not accurate. There is no protection for this title by anyone or for anyone. In fact there are dentists anesthesiologists (https://asda.org/), veterinary anesthesiologists (https://acvaa.org/) and, anesthesiologist assistants (https://aaaa.memberclicks.net/faqs) clearly showing it is not, in fact reserved for MD and DOs.

Moreover the ASA did its own research which showed that ANESTHESIOLOGIST is not associated with physician in 2012 and that was the genesis of the "physician anesthesiologist" title. You can see it yourself here in the video of that presentation (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5plv3nk7lxuf4j4/asa%20Pr%202012.mov?dl=0).

"By allowing this term posted by Mmackinnon you are allowing inaccuracies that the CMS and the World Health Organization do not use nor approve of because it causes confusion to the average person of the healthcare professionals abilities and responsibilities."

There is NOTHING confusing about NURSE Anesthesiologist and the research was done to prove that (https://www.nurseanesthesiologistinfo.com/poll).

Again, please stop trying to edit for political reasons. Mmackinnon (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Removing relevant information

User:Sro23

You removed this section:

"The American Association of Nurse Anesthesiology (AANA) is the largest professional organization representing CRNAs. "Nurse anesthesiologist" is now an approved descriptor for CRNAs, approved by the AANA.[1]"

However this is accurate information, why was it removed?

Thanks

--Mmackinnon (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

It was lost in the shuffle when I was re-adding a different deleted section. Now fixed. Sro23 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Department of justice(DEA) definition of midlevel

Please add this to the description of CRNA. I was told I needed proof that CRNA (nurse anesthetists) we’re defined by that term. I have only used non political sources and do not use political organizations such as the AANA or AMA. First paragraph gives an example of who is a midlevel practitioner. Thank you.

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugreg/practioners/mlp_by_state.pdf Onejokeaway (talk) 00:19, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Notifying @Mmackinnon: ... Sro23 (talk) 00:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Sro23& Onejokeaway

The DEA does not define titles of professionals. The DEA does not mention physician associate (the new name of PA as of a few months ago) or physician anesthesiologist the new name of MDs who do anestheisa since 2016, they do not define CRNAs nor do they define anyone else.

The only people who define titles are associations and regulatory boards (for CRNAs that is the board of nursing)

This is not evidence that it’s appropriate. The key is reference #1 in the article which clearly states that mid level is neither accepted or appropriate.

However, the bottom line is that mid level is not a recognized title for anyone anywhere. Specifically it is not recognized by any regulatory board or the national or state associations for CRNAs.

It’s not appropriate for an articles about CRNAs. Mmackinnon (talk) 01:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Please keep your political opinions out of this and not use political organizations for definitions. If you believe that CMS does not define you or the DEA does not define you, than why do you as a nurse anesthetist accept payment from Medicare and Medicaid and why do you have a DEA license? You sir are CLEARLY biased in your opinion and do not choose fact over political motivation. The term physician anesthesiologist is a political organization term. Anesthesiologist is a physician, period. Midlevel is CLEARLY DEFINED by the DEA (this posting was 6/25/21 by the DEA which was after another political organization desired to muddy terminology with “physician associate” in May 2021) and nurse anesthetist by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid services. You have proven your motivation, I would bet you are a member of the AANA or are in a political position and are using your influence. I am done with the thought that Wikipedia would be unbiased. It’s your political platform. I have no political affiliation to any organization, AMA or ASA, and have brought examples that define what you ask. You clearly don’t care, except for your political gain. Goodbye. Onejokeaway (talk) 01:24, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, you said the board of nursing is who defines you? Here is a link to the NBCRNA website who does the certification for CRNA and the only term they use is “certified registered nurse anesthetist”.

I have gone above and beyond your request. Please remove the title “nurse anesthesiologist”

https://www.nbcrna.com/ Onejokeaway (talk) 01:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Onejokeaway

I wrote an entire reply which seems to have disappeared. Nothing ive written is political. CMS does not decide on titles they manage medicare here is their mission statement CMS. The Drug enforcement agency does not define titles they manage drug enforcement here is their mission statement DEA Mission. They also do not provide a license, they provide a registration number to track and monitor as well as allow for controlled substance prescriptions and dispensing.
The term Physician anesthesiologist is the preferred title from the American Society of Anesthesiologists you can see this here ASA FAQ. The term "Anesthesiologist" is not specific to or protected for physicians. The Dentist Anesthesiologist and Anesthesiologist Assistants make this clear both using that title for over 50 years. Here are their orgs webpages Anesthesiologist Assistants and The Society of Dentist Anesthesiologists .
Ad hominem attacks on me aside, I believe ive proven my point. None of these orgs define CRNAs. The certification does not designate the title. the AANA and the state BONs do. The NBCRNA simply administered the exam for "certification" not title or licensure. Anesthesiologist is an approved title as referenced in #1. Mid level is not. Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist AND Nurse Anesthetist are also approved, JUST like Nurse Anesthesiologist. Mmackinnon (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Anyone who wants to learn more about this topic can do so here The Nurse Anesthesiologist HistoryMmackinnon (talk) 02:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

You are 100% wrong. Your attack was on me first and now you’re walking it back. Goodbye Onejokeaway (talk) 02:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Advanced Practice Nurse part

Hey User:Sro23

This part “ let's keep the short description short {{Short description| Advanced Practice Nurse trained to provide “}}

Should be changed back. CRNAs are not just nurses. We are by definition and statute advanced practice nurses or APRNs. Nurses cannot perform anestheisa only APRNs trained as CRNAs can.

Does that make sense?

Here is the reference

The other part is fine to go. Mmackinnon (talk) 01:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

APRNs are still nurses. We don't need to get too technical with the short description, which is mostly there for mobile users of Wikipedia. Sro23 (talk) 03:20, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh I see. But then when a user reads how do they know CRNAs are not just nurses with extra training as opposed to full blown doctorate degrees with board certification?

Mmackinnon (talk) 03:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

The Advanced practice nurse article is linked right in the first sentence. Sro23 (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

References

User:KhanzotChinev Your edits

The edits you are making are not accurate. "Anesthesia nurse" and "Mid level provider"are considered derogatory and not approved titles or descriptors for CRNAs. I have reverted them to what has been the approved accurate and referenced titles. Also the education portion which is now all doctorate level for CRNAs is contained elsewhere in the article. Mmackinnon (talk) 15:11, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Again you have edited inaccurate info and removed referenced accurate information and have ignored this talk section. At this point it is vandalism. Please engage in the talk section or stop now.Mmackinnon (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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Anesthesia nurse is a legit title, see the youtube video by Duke that I cited. Also, mid-level provider is the name used by the US government. What do you mean it's not approved? Literally view the source I used. Doesn't matter if it's now all doctorate of nursing level because people are still practicing with master's. Much clearer to say "graduate degree" and be done with it. Stop making things more difficult.

Also, just because AANA calls themself nurse anesthesiologists doesn't mean anything. Donald Trump still thinks he's the president, does that mean we should edit his Wikipedia article to say that he's still the president? Everyone with any understanding of the medical field understands that an anesthesiologist is someone who went to medical school. Anesthesia nurses went to nursing school. KhanzotChinev (talk) 09:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

It appears you may not have reviewed the previous talk sections above. Again this has already been hashed out. "Anesthesia Nurse" is not a legitimate title. It neither exists in law or in the organization which represents CRNAs the AANA document which is reference #1 in the article. Youtube is NOT a legitimate source for reference.

Additionally, the term "Midlevel" is not used by the US government. The DEA does not define titles of professionals. The DEA does not mention physician associate (the new name of PA as of a few months ago) or physician anesthesiologist the new name of MDs who do anesthesia since 2016, they do not define CRNAs nor do they define anyone else. The only people who define titles are associations (AANA) and regulatory boards (for CRNAs that is the board of nursing). The key is reference #1 in the article which clearly states that mid level is neither accepted or appropriate.

CRNAs no longer get a masters. All CRNA programs must graduate with a doctorate degree as of 2025. Since the program and residency are 3 years in total length the last masters programs are graduating this year. this is already stated and referenced in the orginal article https://www.coacrna.org/about-coa/position-statements/

The AANA is the national organization representing CRNAs. They actually DO get to decide on titles and names. As far as the term "anesthesiologist" it is not exclusive to physicians. The term Physician anesthesiologist is the preferred title from the American Society of Anesthesiologists you can see this here ASA FAQ. The term "Anesthesiologist" is not specific to or protected for physicians. The Dentist Anesthesiologist and Anesthesiologist Assistants make this clear both using that title for over 50 years. Here are their orgs webpages Anesthesiologist Assistants and The Society of Dentist Anesthesiologists . Ad hominem attacks on me aside, I believe ive proven my point. None of these orgs define CRNAs. The certification does not designate the title. the AANA and the state BONs do. The NBCRNA simply administered the exam for "certification" not title or licensure. Anesthesiologist is an approved title as referenced in #1. Mid level is not. Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist AND Nurse Anesthetist are also approved, JUST like Nurse Anesthesiologist.Mmackinnon (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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User:El C it appears we have another problem here with User:KhanzotChinev doing the exact same things as the others. I suspect they are for the same political reasons. What can we do to stop edits?

Mmackinnon (talk) 21:02, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm providing a balanced viewpoint. Your viewpoint is completely one-sided (AANA only) and you're saying I am politically motivated? Check yourself, please. We should make the article as unbiased as possible. Tell me what issue you have with what I've written? It reads as pretty unbiased to me.

KhanzotChinev (talk) 21:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to include multiple viewpoints in this article?

My edits keep being deleted by Mmackinnon who seems to want this article to read solely as a propaganda piece by the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists.

I included quotes from the American Medical Association and World Health Organization, which keep being deleted. I think this is very biased and I don't trust Mmackinnon to continue making edits to this page in an unbiased manner.

--KhanzotChinev (talk) 21:07, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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I have already requested the help of an Admin when i asked for User:El C to get involved.User:KhanzotChinev, your edits have been disruptive without reference or fact and against the actual references that already exist. You did it again even in this talk article. The american assoc. of nurse anesthetists no longer exists. They have changed their name to the american assoc. of nurse anesthesiology. The AMA and the WHO do not get to dictate titles to APRNs. They have no jurisdiction over APRNs or CRNAs and therefore their reference is not relevant, it is political. My history on this page is clear. I maintain the facts with references and edits which are supported by them. Mmackinnon (talk) 21:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't trust that whatever admin you're tagging will be unbiased. I would prefer that they stay out of it and that we get a neutral party to resolve this dispute. Without a neutral party, I'm not interested in engaging your arguments, which honestly don't make much sense to me. Maybe I am just to used to reading grammatically correct writing. Either way, please stop tagging me until we can get this resolved by an unbiased admin. Until then, I suppose the article can stay as you wish. Thank you for understanding. KhanzotChinev (talk) 21:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I think I was contacted because I'm the one who protected the page on Aug 29 (the last admin action applied to this page). But, at the event, I don't have the spare time to assist here, anyway, so I suppose that spares me any imminent unpleasantness. El_C 22:07, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

You appear to have multiple edit warnings in the past. Also I don’t know the admin I tagged only that he protected the page in the past he is neutral. Your ad hominem attacks only further show your intent. Mmackinnon (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Agree with KhanzotChinev.

I agree with KhanzotChinev. This page is edited and maintained by a politically motivated Nurse Anesthetist. The current editor needs to be removed due to bias. He has denied terms that are approved and used by the DEA (mid level), the AMA and the WHO (nurse anesthetist). He uses vernacular that is indoctrinated by his political agenda such as physician anesthesiologist or MDA. These terms are only recognized by political action committees. Physician and Anesthesiologist combined is redundant. MDA is a term for the Muscular Dystrophy Association. He does not recognize CMS authority nor its nomenclature and instead continues to edit to skewed political definitions while gaslighting that he has not been given sufficient genuine articles for the definitions. In fact, he has been given the information and ignores it. He ignores the DEA, WHO, CMS and the AMA and quotes only the AANA; his political association. Instead of conversation acknowledging these terms, he claims “ad hominem” (a term used to defend against truth by the AANA and its members)

Motivations and bias should cause immediate disqualification from editing in any Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onejokeaway (talk • contribs)

I’ve defended everything here with references and facts. If there is anyone with how’s it has been you two. Point being you cannot back your assertions and the title of the article does not lend itself to the opinions of competing organizations who ahve a politically vested interest in defaming their competition. This isn’t an entry on the opinions of competitors. It’s an entry which should be factual about CRNAs of which the expert entity is the AANA who represents all CRNAs and does in fact, decide on titles and their own name. Mmackinnon (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Eep. Folks, if you don't sign or indent your comments no one will be able to distinguish who said what. Anyway, maybe ask for some help at WT:MED...? El_C 22:52, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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User:El_C This would not fall under medicine, APRNs are nursing. But I have reached out and not gotten much of a response. The bottom line is this is a res ipsa loquitur situation. All the references are there these 2 just have a political motivation to change history. Mmackinnon (talk) 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Mmackinnon, are you just making that up? That is not so. El_C 23:08, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

User:El_C Which is not so?Mmackinnon (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

That you can't ask for help about any of this at WT:MED. You can. El_C 23:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I understand that we can, but this is not a domain of medicine. It is a domain of nursing. Why reach out to those who have a vested interest against APRNs and no vested interest in APRNs? Isnt it important to have experts weight in? Mmackinnon (talk) 23:31, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

For example, it is often the case that physicians groups try and control and minimize as well as delegitimize APRNs for political anti-competitive reasons. Why would we ask a group with that vested interest? They are not CRNAs.Mmackinnon (talk) 23:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm getting the impression you're too close to this subject to edit it objectively. Nursing is a domain of medicine. In any case, I've just done this: WT:MED#Help_needed_at_Talk:Nurse_anesthetist. El_C 23:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Well I suppose it's fitting that a petty dispute in real life is reflected by petty behavior here on Wikipedia. Onejokeaway, now that the relevant professional organization is advocating for a title change, surely that merits mention at the article here. The fact that it's not ubiquitously recognized doesn't prevent us from mentioning it. @Mmackinnon:, that said, this is a short article, and I don't think we need to be informed of the new name three times in six paragraphs. @KhanzotChinev: I think there's room for better representation of your viewpoint here, but no one is going to take your edits seriously when they're punctuated with petty attempts to score blows, like inserting "mid-level", changing "master's and doctoral" to "graduate", and the silliest has been understood by virtually everyone to refer to... all without source. A brief discussion of this naming controversy is probably merited, but let's keep it brief, as this is certainly not the most important thing in an article on this topic, and WP:DUE applies. I'll try to punch out an attempt at neutral text. Happy to hear other's thoughts. Ajpolino (talk) 04:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey there,

I think the controversy is already mentioned and referenced in the article Under “In The United states” 3rd paragraph down. I have consistently left this in to represent that concern. Mmackinnon (talk) 04:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright now that I've poked around a bit, I'm mildly confused. If this is all about American nurse anesthetists and American MDs disagreeing with each other, why are we having this discussion here rather than at Talk:Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist? Should we move this info to that page, and leave this page to be a short article on nurse anesthetists generally? Ajpolino (talk) 05:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Could do that i suppose. But the exact same issues will ensue over there with editing. Mmackinnon (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Not sure how that tracks. If Donald Trump claims he's the president, are we going to only allow the wikipedia article to say that he is the president? That is exactly what the AANA is doing in calling themselves anesthesiologists. Virtually every legal document says that an anesthesiologist is a physician who has specialized in anesthesiology. See this link: https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/anesthesiologist?cursor=ClsSVWoVc35sYXdpbnNpZGVyY29udHJhY3RzcjwLEh1EZWZpbml0aW9uU25pcHBldEdyb3VwX3YyNV9lbiIZYW5lc3RoZXNpb2xvZ2lzdCMwMDAwMDAxZQwYACAA

In regards to your other points, "master's and doctoral" is much better summed up as "graduate degree" in my opinion. Secondly, I inserted citations for why nurse anesthetists are mid-levels. I'm not sure why we have to view the AANA as the end all be all in terms of how nurse anesthetists are referred to when multiple organizations (including the government) refer to them as mid-levels?

Ok ill change the medical page to say "graduate degree" then right? As i said its already referenced in the article.Mmackinnon (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

If you could give me a good reason why what the AANA wants nurse anesthetists to be called matters at all, and why it's different from Donald Trump calling himself president, I'm all ears. KhanzotChinev (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure we have much to argue about here. This is an encyclopedia, so we aim to describe how the world is, not prescribe how the wold should be. The article currently states that nurse anesthetists are sometimes called "nurse anesthesiologists" (or rather the first sentence implies as much), that the AANA is the professional organization for American nurse anesthetists, that the AANA endorses the title "nurse anesthesiologist", and that physician groups oppose that name. I think that describes the current situation. You seem to be interested in arguing whether nurse anesthetists should use the title "anesthesiologist". But that's not an issue for an encyclopedia. Ajpolino (talk) 01:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm saying that we should include a section for naming controversy, so that laypeople are able to get a better idea of the issues at hand rather than a one-sided account from the AANA.

So I still don't get why we're not editing Donald Trump's page to say he's the president? After all, that's not an issue for an encyclopedia. KhanzotChinev (talk) 23:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Ajpolino He is back to editing in his opinion. I reversed it back but at this point i believe we need to him removed from editing this page. Mmackinnon (talk) 23:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

How is it my opinion when I am merely citing the opinions of other medical organizations? KhanzotChinev (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@KhanzotChinev: The article already includes a description of the naming controversy. You wish to include extensive arguments for why nurse anesthetists should not have titles that include the word "anesthesiologist". You need Wikidebate.

As for Donald Trump, he did declare himself president. Our article describes that. Just like this one says that the AANA declared their recommendation that "nurse anesthesiologist" be used synonymously with "nurse anesthetist". Ajpolino (talk) 00:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

So why does it not read "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who is the current president of the United States." This would be like a wikipedia article saying that security guards are police officers. It's just factually wrong. KhanzotChinev (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The Donald Trump analogy (individual declares himself to hold a position that he obviously does not hold) doesn't help much here. The security guard analogy is much better. If the American Association of Private Security Professionals declared tomorrow that they recommend security guards be called "Private police", policing organizations opposed the name, and some people started to use the term "private police" to refer to security guards, our article Security guard would say something like "A security guard (also called... or private police) is..." and then later it would describe the naming controversy. That's what we do here. Ajpolino (talk) 01:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Ajpolino Edits

Love them. Great compromise. Thank you so much!Mmackinnon (talk) 15:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2021

The reference (1) needs to be corrected to American Association of Nurse Anesthesiology. It currently says "or" instead of "of". Gvanmeter81 (talk) 03:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done — IVORK _Talk 03:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

user:ORdeDocsaab edits

user:ORdeDocsaab

These issues have been hashed out here on the talk page and included administrator User:Ajpolino. If you want to discuss additions which you can evidence feel free to reply here. Mmackinnon (talk) 01:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Removal of "Nurse Anesthesiologist" by user:kwekubo

user:kwekubo

Hello,

We have spent significant time having this conversation and included WT:MED 3rd party contributors. The consensus and conclusion was that regardless of where a CRNA may be called Nurse Anesthesiologist it is still a title used and approved for use. It does not seem appropriate to suggest because this is used in the US it should be removed. That would then be true for the Anesthesiology wiki where it states an anesthesiologist is a physician yet in most of the world anesthetist is used for physicians. The term Nurse Anesthetist is not a globally recognized one and many different titles are used internationally for the same profession or variations on it. For example in tunisia they are called "Techniciens Supérieurs en Anesthésie Réanimation", in denmark "Anesthesia Nurses", in Sweden "specialist nurses in anaesthesia care". I referenced the proof including webster's dictionary, that Nurse Anesthesiologist is an appropriate title. I do not see how it can be removed from here unless we apply the same rigor to the other articles. Thanks Mmackinnon (talk) 23:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia article "Nurse Anesthetist" I have added information that can be reliable for readers to interpret on what a nurse anesthetist. I have added sections such as education, annual salary, skills and procedures, roles and responsibilities, and the history of CRNAs would make this article even better. Everything is from reasonable sources that have the correct information. I have cited everything if you would like to make sure as well. It is important to know everything about this position for their role in providing anesthesia and related charges before and after surgical, diagnostic, and obstetrical procedures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haylee Petroski (talk • contribs) 18:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Haylee Petroski (talk) 18:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC) Editing article "Nurse Anesthetist" Hello, I have added information to the article to explain more in detailed of a CRNA. I have added new sections as well to make the article more understanding for the readers to interpret. I also added all of the citations to each information i have added if you would like to check if it as correct. It is important to know everything about this position for their role in providing anesthesia and related charges before and after surgical, diagnostic, and obstetrical procedures.

Change the titles as well as the NH source

Hello user:SchreiberBike

Please see the comments in my edits over years. The title is accurate. The NH decision was not accurate. The BOM does not regulate nursing and the NH BON says it is allowed and appropriate to use Nurse anesthesiologists and their license says that. There is no prohibition the BOM cannot regulate nursing. Mmackinnon (talk) 23:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Reorganization

I've undertaken a major reorganization of this article together with Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist. Prior to my moving content to that page, both articles were effectively about CRNAs. I have moved most CRNA-specific content to the appropriate article. It would be great if this article could cover nurse anesthetists for additional countries. Ibadibam (talk) 18:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus against merging; overlap problem between articles has been eliminated by extensive rewriting. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 13:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi all, I'm proposing that Certified registered nurse anesthetist is merged into this article, per WP:OVERLAP and WP:REDUNDANT. There is also a considerable amount of information that is the exact same on each article. Invinciblewalnut (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose the correct solution to the undoubted WP:OVERLAP is to remove much of the US-only material from this article, which is extremely unbalanced. I will add a globalize tag here. Johnbod (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Just keep most of the US information on the CRNA page and have the nurse anesthetist page be an overview of the profession worldwide. Nowhereman86 (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - per @Johnbod's argument. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 15:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I did an extensive redraft of the article to both globalize and reduce the focus on US anesthesia providers. Hopefully this is agreeable to everyone. I'll add a hyperlink to the CRNA article for more information on US based nursing anesthesia practice. Nowhereman86 (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Reverting to global perspective

Restoring this article to an overview of the global occupation. Per discussion above around the merge proposal, it was decided that this page should be a broad overview of the profession with a more global perspective while the CRNA page should be specific to the US. Several edits since have essentially copy and pasted the CRNA article into this page.