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January 2019

Please do not add or change content, as you did at José Bosingwa, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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José Bosingwa

José Bosingwa did not receive a Premier League medal. He made eight appearances that season, and at that time a minimum of ten appearances was necessary to be eligible. Player profiles on the Premier League website list honours and awards on the left side; if you check Bosingwa's profile, you will see there is no mention of any. Mattythewhite (talk) 03:44, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Where is the guideline stating you need 10 appearances?

See this: "It used to be the case that a player had to play in ten matches, either from the start or as a substitute – to qualify for a medal". It was later reduced to five appearances, starting from the 2012/13 season. There are more details at List of Premier League winning players. Mattythewhite (talk) 03:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

In any case, as I already explained above, the Premier League official website doesn't list him as a winner. And it doesn't get much more authoritative than that. Mattythewhite (talk) 03:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I was asking for a wikipedia guideline. Still, I will stop, I'm not in the mood for your authoritarianism (it's not the premier league website, believe me). Major news outlets detail him as a winner of the premier league, even football statistics based websites (which we use, as you know). Also the reference you present does not specify the season when the 5 appearances rule was implemented. That indicates, that you should start deleting a lot of content from many "fake" Premier League victors pages. Fine day to you sir.

I'm pretty sure this is the Premier League website, actually. BTW I have already gone through and referenced the honours sections of *all* Premier League winners, and have removed what was included for what you call "fake" winners, such as Bosingwa and David Pizarro. Mattythewhite (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, you don't understand Irony. Do as you please and again, a fine day to you.

January 2019

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on José Bosingwa; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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José Bosingwa

Hi there, I think I know you from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.114.165.45),

I reverted this edit in this player at the request of :@Mattythewhite:, and only then discovered we had interacted before. I don't know how the rule stands as of now, but I clearly remember they had a specific number of appearances that were required for a guy to win a league medal. I think Matty, as an Englishman, may be more "on the know" on this subject than ourselves, as Portuguese people, and I think you just have to AGF (assume good faith) when he says - even though this source (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-gets-premier-league-medals-14538360) does not state exactly the season when the ten-match rule ceased to exist - the 5-match rule went into existence in 2012/13; plus, I have read the The Guardian article (highly reliable source for WP) you inserted as source for league win on his part, and it does not mention anything else than his serious injury.

I have only come here as assisting and mediating part, don't want to be a nuisance to anyone. Please sort this out, and I think you will be able to do so, as I found out this also reliable source (USA Today), stating exactly when the new rule started (see this https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/05/who-gets-premier-league-winners-medal). Problem solved, I think (am sure?).

Attentively, to both parties involved (P.S. what do you think the Fernando Man. City section is lacking in? I can help out if you want) --Quite A Character (talk) 09:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

It's fine, I didn't know about that rule and I'm not editing Bosingwa page on that matter anymore. I stopped the moment he gave me the explanation, despite not completely agreeing with it, I respect Matty's works, that's not up for debate. Do not worry, I know when to stop these petty discussions.

Your source does explain in more detail what I was asking, thank you. About Fernando, I just think that section could be upgraded since he played 102 matches and scored 4 goals for Man City. If some references to some of those events could be added, the section would become a lot better in terms of information. I know he his not a fan favorite but it could done, nonetheless. In due time, I will try to improve Porto history section as well, when time allows.

Fernando's City section significantly expanded, also added (long overdue) source for his suspension with the U20 national team (was not referenced for years, surprised no one removed it!). Cheers --Quite A Character (talk) 16:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

A question, not a technical one (related directly to WP) but since you are a Porto fan: what do you think Hernâni Jorge Santos Fortes has to do more to get a start (or 30/40 minutes)? Change his passport? Adrián López, if I am not mistaken, has had already three or four starts, and Fernando (signed from "giants" Santa Clara) has probably played more minutes in THREE matches than the poor Hernâni in half a season!). Sérgio Oliveira another, José Sá not even good enough for third-choice but excelling in Greece (Diogo Leite I agree, still young and "green", needs one or two full seasons with the reserves).

I sincerely do not know what does this manager have against national players, but something for sure (if the squad has no injuries or suspensions until the end of the season, I doubt one single national player will be called for matches; I will have to respect your opinion on the matter, but Danilo is not Portuguese, and Pepe too of course! I do not know of any other club in the world who does that). Unfortunately, not the only coach in world who thinks like that, and like we talked before to win is the most important thing for most fans and all clubs, of course, and Porto can win everything this year. --Quite A Character (talk) 12:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for improving Fernando's Man City section and the U20 national team suspension reference. About Hernâni, honestly no... I don't think that will happen (maybe I'm wrong). I prefer Hernâni to Adrian (hands down) and he as already proven (despite not being a powerhouse) that he can help us a lot. Boavista and Leixões last minute goals, where extremely important for the season objectives. Despite that, Sergio as always looked at Hernani as a substitute quite frankly and usually uses him when the result is a draw and he needs goals. I hate the insistentence on the spaniard this season. The manager can claim that he can hold the game better and other aspects, but it's not enough. It was never enough from him and the value Porto paid for the player.

When talking about José Sá. This season, Iker is the first-choice kepper, no problem with that, but the Portuguese should be the second-choice, playing in the cups fixtures, for example. I would gladly trade him for Fabiano and Vaná. In Porto, for me, it all comes down to agents and club commissioners. Did the player came from Brazil or other countries? If so, the deals are often shady and usually represent a higher financial gain for those parts (even if bought or loaned from Portuguese clubs, because it will trace back to the original deals in those countries). They will have more playing time, that's why you have so many players with no quality playing for the first team, having more opportunities than the Portuguese counterparts. I know it's stupid but is a common practice among the club and it's representatives, for years. And yes, you can blame the manager, but if you analise other managers that guided Porto, you will see that it's not that farfetched what I'm stating.

We'll see, there are still a lot of games/challenges in the following months for us to win everything, they must continue to work hard. To finish, I understand what you write about Pepe but Danilo is Portuguese, our former colonies gave us (or we stript them) some of our best national players. Cheers.

Thanks for the quick reply! Yes (about the past Porto managers), you are 100% correct in that statement, if I'm not mistaken Mourinho was the last one to bet heavily on national players (with guys from Setúbal or Leiria that were not that known), he "only" won the treble in 2003/04, and fielded eight (EIGHT, my man!) Portuguese players in the CL final. All the best, until some other time --Quite A Character (talk) 14:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

May 2019

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Fernando (footballer, born 1987). This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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June 2019

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