User talk:Alcuin/Archive

Hello Alcuin- Thanks for dropping by the Corrupt Bastard Caucus post. I am newbie to wikipedia by experience but not by time necessesarily. I do not know the faetures and perhaps do not have the time to do it all right now but guidance is helpful.

I am an independant and I am of the belief that the Democrats are no better than the republicans. They are all corrupt and the mission is to screw the little guy out of anything simple pleasure they can. They have a bureaucracy in place that is not unlike an onion skin, one layer after another, just to get any kind of straight answer.

I may need to change my posting name. I may have people that want to kill me at this point. You can find more that I have posted elsewhere by putting 'salmonshark' into a search engine. Ru\ight now I am posting at the trail blog at Anchorage Daily News. I have heated up some rails there. I would rather be strumming and learning new songs!!!!

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Gary Bayer

Hi, I was wondering if you had anything planned for the Gary Bayer article (seems a bit empty). Thanks! — TheKMan^talk 07:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry, I started an article for what I thought was Gary Bauer.
  • Oh, ok. You should probably have that page deleted by placing a {{db-author}} tag in that article. Happy editing — TheKMan^talk 07:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I'm new. Where's the page that tells you how to do stuff like that?
    • Also, what's the convention for communicating with other members?
      • More info can be found on the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion page. Listing any speedy deletion tags at the top of a page will get an administrator to take notice and see if the page should be deleted per reason given and SD criteria. For communicating with other members, there are no set rules, but signing all comments with 4 tildes is recommended (which leaves your sig. and the current date/time), and I personally post replies on the other user's talk page (so they notice I'm talking to them), and I try to give my comments a context by posting what the other user left on my page. See you 'round — TheKMan^talk 07:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
        • Thanks, see you around Alcuin 07:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

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Johnny Cash albums

Hey Alcuin, first of all I have to say I'm very impressed with your work on the Johnny Cash discography page; you seem very knowledgeable indeed in this area. I am in the (quite tiring) process of creating pages for these albums because I found it a bit baffling that only a handful of Cash's records have been described in separate articles, and some of his best-known albums lacked a page. I base the articles and research on them on what I find on the Luma Electronic website, which I find very comprehensive and useful (one of the only things it lacks is track lengths, which I sometimes have to hunt down in the murkiest depths of the Internet). Aside from that, I use All Music Guide, but don't fully trust it when it comes to release dates and the like (Luma often gives precise release dates, which I assume are correct). I am trying to cover every original album Cash has recorded, as well as a handful of compilations. Again, the specifics depend on whether the compilation in question is notable in some way; for example, if a known song (or even just a new one) debuted in a compilation, I include that compilation's article. Similarly, if a single was released and hit the charts (like "Big River" from Greatest Hits, Vol. 2), I include that as well. Sun Records released numerous Cash compilations, but these were primarily made up solely of old Cash material and didn't chart, so I don't include most of them. There was also one album, Mean as Hell, which I wanted to write an article on in the beginning but decided against it in the end, as it was, if I'm not mistaken, practically a song-for-song replica of Sings the Ballads of the True West (although Mean as Hell's cover is quite interesting), and no singles were released. Another example: The Lure of the Grand Canyon didn't have any singles, heck it didn't have any Cash songs, but it was an early concept album, so I saw it fit to create a separate page. In the last article I created (Greatest Hits, Vol. 2), the next album is A Thing Called Love, because, as Luma's Cash discography page suggests, a couple of singles (which charted) were released, the labum itself was also successful, and the album before it, Understand Your Man, was a collection of older songs released on a label called Harmony, with no singles released. So, in summary, I think it's a bit pointless to create an article for every single Cash record in existence (that would probably cover at least 200 albums and would be a titanic amount of work), but a lot of them do seem to deserve articles. I look forward to collaborating with you on the Cash album pages and the discography page. I can update you later on which albums I plan to create articles for, and you can see if that's alright with you. Cromag 10:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the pages I've created so far have not gone past simple stub status ;) but thank you for the kind words. After a while, it does become kind of tiring to find track lengths, infobox details and so on. But, that's Wikipedia, one sets a goal for himself/herself and attempts to get somewhere from there; it is my first undertaking of this scale though, amittedly. I'm glad you'll be helping out on the album pages, but there's no need to rush, so take all the time you need; I'll try to work on a few new pages in the meantime. Oh, and, I spent the earliest part of my life abroad, so I had to pick up something, though I'm in no way a flawless native speaker. Guess it's enough for Wikipedia, though ;) Thanks again for your comments! Cromag 20:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Great job! Now that's what I call impressive. Only several album pages remain now, and I'll try to work on some of them today/tomorrow. One album I've never heard of whose page you've created is Believe in Him, but it's hard to keep track of all of his records, so it's no wonder. However, I did not find the album on the Johnny Cash discography page; I'm not exactly sure what category it would fit into, though, since it was released on Word Records. I'll look around for the track lengths you mentioned and several more details. And yes, it is very true that the charting sections should be added to the articles; I was originally intending to do that after all the articles will have been created. The personnel sections are a bit troublesome, as different pages list different personnel (AMG often lists only Cash and one other person), but we should add them as well. About the prose: on the contrary, I don't see anything wrong with yours, and working together on it will definitely be advantageous to everyone. One question: do you think an article should be written on the Mercury Records Classic Cash release? I don't think any songs off that album charted and it's full of older songs, but it is distinctive because of the controversial decision to use synthesizers and such to "update" Cash's sound. And the compilations - I think we should consider writing articles on the Bear Family Records series, as it encompasses a huge part of Cash's career. Good luck! Cromag 09:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'll create the Mean as Hell article soon; that's the problem if one omits an article, the data in several infoboxes must be changed. But we can handle it. I was working on a page for The Johnny Cash Family Christmas and searching desperately for track lengths today; found them on a site called StarPulse, but I didn't manage to get them as my computer almost got infected with damn malware (perhaps it actually did get infected). There should really be a site listing the track lengths, but I guess that's asking too much. In response to the Believe in Him issue, I think it might be necessary to create a section simply labeled "Other releases" or something of the sort; maybe we'll manage to get more than one album in there, and even if we won't, it'll not look bad. Cheers! Cromag 21:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, if Wikipedia wasn't fun (and kind of addictive), I don't think it would be half as popular as it is ;). In any case, good move with Mean as Hell, I agree. I created The Johnny Cash Family Christmas without track lengths for the time being; in fact, for now, I'll not be adding track lengths (temporarily) if they'll not be immediately available. If there will be any missing, I will search for them using a safe system; the one I'm using cannot be called that, unfortunately. Oh, I also added International Superstar to the JC discography page; it contains a handful of newly-recorded songs, I think, including a single which charted. I'm done for the day though, since it's 2 AM where I am ;) Take care. Cromag 22:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Great job! Now we're basically almost done, thanks to you. I'll be away for most of the day, feel free to create articles for some of the remaining albums; alternatively, I can do them when I get back. And good job on creating the Harmony Records section in the Discography page. I'm still wondering where we should put Believe in Him though...ah well. By the way, have you listened to the Highwaymen albums? What did you think of them? Cromag 07:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes we did! The Highwaymen's albums are quite interesting; nevertheless, the first one is undoubtedly the best, at least in my opinion. As far as I know, the alignment of the tracklists and infoboxes is the result of an internal flaw in the Wiki system; it would look better if aligned, but I guess we can't do anything about that. Regardless, I'm happy you expanded the Love, God and Murder page. The Survivors Live and Heroes inevitably must have articles, but, as they're one-time-only collaborations, I'm not sure what "chronology" to enter, if any. Also, in the Classic Cash article, you wrote something which I assume would clash with Wikipedia's "NPOV" policy; I personally don't have a problem with it, but some crazed NPOV purists might pounce upon you for it ;). I'm gonna do some more minor work before I call it a night. Cromag 20:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

As I said, it's quite alright with me, but perhaps in order to satisfy the NPOV freaks we should just mention that it was a controversial and generally not very well-received move. I'm doing some minor changes and additions right now; eg. I found out The Johnny Cash Children's Album was recently re-released, and added the track lengths that I found on AMG. I'll also be adding star ratings and such and adding general info on the album in question (notable songs, etc.). Cromag 21:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

WHEW! I made some minor changes to several articles, but there will be more to come. After we've settled on the content of all the pages, we can add Personnel and Charts sections. Also, I noticed the infoboxes on the American Recordings album pages are a bit messed up (in my opinion, the additional "American series" infobox shouldn't even be there; we might as well create a "Columbia infobox", but that would be sort of silly). We'll be done with everything before we know it. One more thing: I noticed a 1978 Columbia compilation over at Luma called Greatest Hits, Vol. 3. Do you think we should create a page for the album? For the record, Luma says it charted (#49), as did two singles (which fared alright). I'm all for creating it. Cromag 22:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...you're right, on the one hand it is useful information and the small font is reliable, but on the other, few articles incorporate something like this. Perhaps the only alternative would be to create separate sections for this info, but that's up to you. It CAN stay the way it is if you want it that way, I'd have no complaints ;) Cromag 13:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done some expansion on all the articles I could, so I guess I'm pretty much done with the prose. I also tried to find track and album lengths, and succeeded for the most part; several albums, however, do not have track lengths, though I've searched all over. I plan to do some cleanup on some of the box set albums created by others (by the way, I'm impressed by what you did with the songs from the American series; the descriptions, I mean). We also need references for each album (invariably Luma, in my opinion, if not the album page, then the main Cash listing), a See also section for the same (Johnny Cash discography should be there, I guess), singles boxes and personnel listings. Finally, there are about four to five more albums which require a page, I'll try to take care of that (this includes Heroes, Greatest Hits, Vol. 3, Survivors Live, etc.). I decided to write an article on Encore, as "Song of the Patriot", a relatively well-known single, first appeared on it. That reminds me - we should add references to the Cash albums on pages with similar names (ex. Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 gets you to an Elton John compilation), or create disambig pages. I think after doing all of the above (which IS a lot now that I think of it), we'll finally be able to say that we're done. Out of curiosity, do you plan to do something similar with another artist's discography? For example, I know Cash's music much better than I know Waylon Jennings', for example, but I guess I would be willing to do this again someday. Kris Kristofferson and Willie Nelson also have pages for only a handful of their albums. However, after Cash's discography, I AM taking a short break :) Cromag 23:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well, the track lengths, as I've noted in most of my edits, are approximate; amateur sites tend to post unverified information, and that's where I got most of this info. I'm not hugely into country either, I'd call myself a Cash fan much sooner than I'd call myself a country fan ;) But the pages DO need attention. In any case, I'm sticking with Luma and AMG on most future edits and new pages. Could you specify what the possible Sun pages you mentioned would contain and what it would look like? And finally, as you yourself said, this is supposed to be more about fun than work, and I didn't feel very overworked doing what I was doing. By the way, I'm not really sure if we should add Sixteen Biggest Hits to the chronology; it's just another of the dozens of generic Cash compilations, and I don't think even the page itself is necessary. We're approaching the finish line, let's get out the champagne ;) Cromag 19:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I've added Charts sections to the appropriate articles (a hellish task), and a See also section where I put the Johnny Cash discography page, it's a useful reference now. What's left now is an External links section to each article containing either the article's page on Luma or the general Cash discography page, as well as Personnel section, and I think we'll be completely done! Cromag 22:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, we're pretty much done. I created a page for The Legend and I'll probably make three for the Bear Family sets, and there's also the Personnel sections, but that can be done at any time (especially since neither AMG nor Luma have full personnel listings). Since I have really enjoyed working with you on the articles and since I find your edits to be particularly useful, I'm awarding you a well-deserved barnstar. Take care, Cromag 23:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to be tireless much longer :) I'm going to go ahead and insert the personnel from AMG into the American V article, and that'll be all as far as personnel issues are concerned (in the articles without personnel, I couldn't find any info). On Personal File, I must have messed up somewhere, because I thought what I put was from AMG...but I'm glad you corrected it, because I found it a bit confusing myself. The template is an *excellent* idea, although it will be huge. Still, I'm all for it. Life...well, since it's a separately released compilation, it might be worth it to create a new article. Not so sure about My Mother's Hymn Book, as it's basically just a part of Unearthed, though it was released separately. However, if you think articles should be created for both, I'm OK with that. Also, I was wondering whether to create an article for Original Sun Sound (if I'm not mistaken)...doesn't that contain several previously unreleased tracks? Cromag 18:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the extra chronology. Well, we included some previous compilations in the chronology, and I think the articles' titles themselves are enough to suggest that a release is part of the American series. Of course, the series is one of the milestones in Cash's career, so perhaps they may be worth special treatment after all. Cromag 18:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Just saw you expanded the personnel on American V. Good job, I have my work cut out for me ;). Cromag 18:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

In that case, I think re-adding the template would be the best way to go. Cromag 18:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I plan to create articles on two tribute albums released more or less at the same time, called Kindred Spirits and Dressed in Black. I haven't heard either, but some well-known (well, I've heard of most of them) artists contributed Cash covers. Do you think this is a good idea? I guess the album can't be added to the JC discography though, since it's not exactly him performing... Cromag 18:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The discography you posted looks very good; a bit messy, but there's a lot of useful info which can be incorporated into the articles. By the way, do you think Kindred Spirits: A Tribute to the Songs of Johnny Cash and Dressed in Black: A Tribute to Johnny Cash should be mentioned somewhere in the discography or not? Cromag 11:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, by "discography" I meant the link you posted, not the actual Wikipedia page ;). Around five external links is fine, as far as I'm concerned, especially given the differences in the information available on each of the websites. I think the Wiki page is quite fine, and the images make it much better, actually. I noticed the two links; go ahead and create the pages. Not really sure where we could fit in the tribute albums though, new section perhaps? Cromag 11:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and I definitely agree. Haven't heard of many others though, and these feature a lot of well-known artists. But the others are definitely worthy of an article. Btw., I'd remove the Zooropa cover image from the discography page, since the album contains only one collaboration with Cash, while in Highwayman, for example, basically all the tracks feature Cash. Cromag 17:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering whether we should add some guest appearances to the discography page. Some of the songs on which Cash was featured can be found at This Tripod page.

The Kinks

Thanks for that. I'd quite like to add more myself but to tell you the truth thats about the extent of my knowledge on the later stuff aswell. I'm hoping someone will add more in time. Pictures would be quite nice though. Thanks again. Tangerine 03 10:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		This barnstar, the first I'm giving on Wikipedia, is in recognition of your excellent and speedy work on articles relating to Johnny Cash's discography (and not only). It was great working with you, and I look forward to future collaborations. Cromag 23:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Cash genealogy

Looks like good work recently on the Johnny Cash / June Carter Cash pages. I'd particularly wondered about the geneological question. I'd turned up enough to make it clear where the idea that June was related to Jimmy Carter came from, but not enough to confirm whether their ancestors were one Thomas Carter Jr. or two. Tricky question. --Stellmach 19:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll be darned. That was your user page. Oops. --Stellmach 14:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Songwriters' Halls of Fame

So, it seems like the Cash page "accomplishments" section is in constant low-level turmoil over trying to explain the claim about him being in the "Songwriters' Hall of Fame" when he's really in the "Nashville Songwriters' Hall of Fame." (Perhaps the latter was once also known by the former name?)

It's possible that just deleting the reference to the erroneous claim on the Rockabilly Hall of Fame web page is the best approach. But I'm sure I've seen the claim somewhere else (maybe his second memoir?).

Anyway, I'm not sure of the right approach, obviously, or I'd just do it myself. But, yes, there are "2 songwriters halls of fame," as you say ... but I thought that was the very point the article was trying, perhaps failing, to make. --Stellmach 14:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

American V

Hey, I've been doing some investigating on AMG; I was searching for the first performances of the songs on American V. Here's what I came up with...note that in some cases, I'm uncertain as to what information should actually be used in the article. Here goes:

1. Help Me - first recorded by Kris Kristofferson for Jesus Was a Capricorn in 1972; recorded by Gatlin for Night Time Magic in 1978
2. God's Gonna Cut You Down - although a traditional tune, it was apparently only recorded by Odetta for Sings Ballads and Blues in 1956
3. If You Could Read My Mind - originally recorded by Lightfoot for Sit Down Young Stranger in 1970 (I think the song itself should be de-linked)
4. The Evening Train (AMG found results for "On the Evening Train" and "Evening Train" - Williams never recorded it; recorded by Molly O'Day, Bob Paisley and Crooked Jades, but can be found primarily on compilations, so it's hard to tell when the song was actually recorded by the artists
5. Love's Been Good to Me - recorded by Frank Sinatra for Sinatra! in 1953 (unsure of this). Recorded by Glenn Yarbrough for One More Round in 1964
6. A Legend in My Time - recorded by Roy Orbison for Sings Lonely and Blue in 1960; recorded by Gibson for Sweet Dreams that same year (perhaps earlier in the year)
7. Rose of My Heart - originally recorded by The Whitstein Brothers for Rose of My Heart in 1984. Recorded by Moffatt for Troubadour in 1989
8. Four Strong Winds - recorded by Journeymen for New Directions in Folk Music in 1963
9. I'm Free from the Chain Gang Now - originally recorded by Ernest Tubb for Jimmie Rodgers Songs in 1951. Recorded by Cash for The Sound of Johnny Cash in 1962

What do you think of these? Which should be incorporated into the article? Cromag 21:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Kris Kristofferson albums

So I noticed you started working on the Kristofferson discography as well. Would it be alright with you if I joined you? Cromag 21:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, to make you feel better, I'll freely admit that I haven't heard a single album by Kris ;). Matter of fact, I've only heard a handful of songs, but he deserves album pages. I'll start adding and creating soon. Cromag 04:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I followed your lead and started creating articles going backwards chronologically. I think several might be missing from the list on the Kristofferson page (like Broken Freedom Song: Live from San Francisco, which I added). In any case, I created This Old Road and the aforementioned BFS; thankfully, there will be less work on KK's discography than on Cash's ;) Cromag 20:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, that's fine with me. Btw. I added Music from "Songwriter" (or should it be Music from Songwriter?) to the album chronology, it's a soundtrack to a little-known Kristofferson/Nelson movie featuring duets and solo tracks by the two. Cromag 11:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Cash template

Oh yeah, I think that would be great if you could import it to some articles. Indeed, it is starting to look monstrous, and I'm only at Look at Them Beans! Well, I'll continue working and see what it looks like, then we'll decide on what we should do with it. Cromag 18:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Now it's looking gigantic *rolls eyes*. I'm also having minor problems with the Family section, having done the Discography and Songs sections. First of all, I'm not sure how many articles there are pertaining to individuals related to Cash; second, I don't know whether to include people from the Carter Family, such as Anita, A.P. and Mother Maybelle. Also, what I did with the songs, as is pretty obvious, is I practically copied the alphabetical listing of songs with Wiki links from the appropriate category. Finally, should there be any non-linked elements in the template, do you think? Any other ideas for what can be included? Cromag 19:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I figured I was getting a bit messy, so I made a new Talk topic. OK, I made the changes you suggested, and I guess the Family section doesn't need much more then. Now I'm not so sure about the "Related articles" section; as a matter of fact, I removed several entries I included before (ex. Elvis Presley and the individual Tennessee Three member pages), but I'm confident there are several important articles I missed. Also, I don't know if entries like Carl Perkins and Jerry Lee Lewis (especially the latter; he was "only" a labelmate and infrequently collaborated with Cash) should stay. But hey, it's going faster than I expected. Cromag 19:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks a lot. I'll go ahead and replace the template shortly, if that's alright with you (the one that's on currently is the one you were working on, as you know). Cromag 19:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I messed something up with the template, and as a result, the album pages were being added to Category:Musician templates. It's fixed now. By the way, do you plan to create the article for Tall Man in the near future? I haven't found much on the release, I must admit. Cromag 21:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Heheh nah, but an expansive article without red links is an article that is close to perfection ;). In some cases, of course. I'll try to start working on Waylon tomorrow. Thanks for the template help! Cromag 21:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way, something's decidedly wrong with the Cash template on the Johnny Cash family page ;). I have no idea how to correct it though, what do you think of asking the question on some Wikipedia help desk? (I've never done that personally) Cromag 22:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I'll go ahead and add those four to the template. Whoa, those guest appearances frighten me. But I know I missed several in my initial listing on the discography page (notably "A Satisfied Mind" from the Kill Bill, Vol. 2 soundtrack and "For You" from the We Were Soldiers soundtrack, the latter of which I really enjoy), so I'll make some additions shortly. Thanks again for creating the album pages and rearranging the JC discography page! Cromag 14:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiffany Anastasia Lowe

You did fine there, I wish more people would go ahead and merge things like that rather than clog afd up with close calls that result in me having to add loads of merge tags everywhere! Thanks :) Petros471 18:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I should probably add that it is better to do this towards the end of the afd debate, as you did, in case a clear consensus to delete forms. If that is the case then best not to merge to allow the article to be deleted. Petros471 18:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Alcuin

Cheers. I've binned the Disputatio Pipini and reduced that late section a fair bit to some general remarks on homosocial cullture, which I think is plenty. Cursitor 20:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Spam

Sure, it's actually very easy with admin rollback. I can't imagine trying to do it with popups. alphaChimp^(talk) 03:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Musicians work group articles needing discographies

Hi, I thought you might find that category interesting which was created related to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Musicians#Discography_need. Regards, BNutzer 21:??, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Since I am not really familiar with that, I'd suggest that you ask for details how to handle those pages after your edits on the project talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Musicians#Discography_need. Happy editing, BNutzer 21:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Dab page formatting

Could I ask you why you removed the formatting from the album title links on Crimson (disambiguation)? MoS:DAB#Piping specifically says that piped links should be used when the link consists of a title and a clarifier. Cheers --Pak21 08:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Philharmonic Hall

Why did you move Philharmonic Hall to Liverpool Philharmonic Hall only to then create a redirect to what I assume is your favorite Philharmonic Hall. Yous should undo it as soon as possible. The Liverpool Phil is older and a very important classical music venue.--MinedOutOffHisPiste 23:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Then why did you redirect to Avery Fisher Hall not even call the phil. So why redirect to it?--MinedOutOffHisPiste 23:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Wrong again. You didn't even get all the pages. You used the wrong naming convention. Please be more careful infuture. Tell me what did you plan to do with the Berlin. Which Hall are you most familiar with.--MinedOutOffHisPiste 23:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

A Tree Full of Secrets

Hi Alcuin, Was reviewing prods and noticed you slapped one on this Pink Floyd bootleg album. I would normally agree, but I believe the album contains miscellany that is unavailable elsewhere which, given the stature of the band, would probably make this notable enough. I have left your original prod for now. Eusebeus 11:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply; I certainly understand your reasoning. On another note, I've stumbled onto a slew of articles all penned by the same editor about bands from the 1960s. They almost all of them seem to fail WP:Music, but I would certainly appreciate a second opinion. I prodded a few before I realised that it seems to be a large-scale project, which has given me pause.

See:

1. Marty Fisher
2. Mapleoak
3. Jon and Lee & The Checkmates

Please be bold and remove my prod if I am off base here. There are probably 20+ articles all in the same vein. Eusebeus 11:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for checking: that's my view as well. Generally, a merge and redirect is best practice, although note that some of the musicians he is talking about are just journeyman players who brushed up with much more notable figures. I left the author a note on his page asking him to provide clear indications of notability per the Music guideline, so probably the best thing is to wait. But if nothing changes, I can do a set of redirects for the more dubious entries and leave those that more noteworthy. Eusebeus 12:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, bowtie business

My idea of polling people on what they want with the bow-tie articles hasn't exactly worked perfectly. I don't see much of a consensus for moving the list to one page or the other, so I'm going to try this: I'll cut down the list on the Bow tie main page to a summary and make sure everything is on the List of bow tie wearers page sometime late this week unless I hear a strong objection from those, like you, who have suggested otherwise. I think (hope) that's an acceptable resolution. Feel free to speak up if I'm all wet.Noroton 20:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: big shiny tunes

Thanks! ^---SilentRAGE! 03:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

And on to Waylon

So, we're done with Kristofferson (now who's doing all the hard work? ;). And you're tirelessly creating articles for the Jennings albums already. I'll help out if I can, though this one seems like a hell of a huge task, almost as bad as Cash. Btw. I'm not sure I'm right, but WP:ALBUM's sample tracklist has the names of the composers written with a comma instead of a slash; not that it's that big a difference. Cromag 21:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll help you out soon. Do you mind if I use commas instead of slashes in the articles I create? And hey, I'm not sure if I've even heard one full album from Jennings; as a matter of fact, I primarily checked samples on Amazon.com. I'll get started soon, in any case. Cromag 19:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I split Waylon's discography into two subsections: "Studio albums" and "Compilations". I hope I managed to categorize them correctly, you might want to re-check them to make sure. I'll start creating articles in reverse chronological order in a short time. Cromag

Darn, as you probably noticed, I couldn't work on the album in the last couple of days. I'm returning from abroad in a few days, I'll go heavily into editing once that's done. By the way, an anonymous user added recording dates for American V. Now, I'm not sure if this information is confirmed. First of all, one of the sites you posted earlier, in a section with unreleased material, lists "On the Evening Train" as a track from around 2000, which sounds about right, since Cash's voice is considerably stronger in that song. I'm guessing several other tracks were recorded before 2003 as well (say, "I'm Free from the Chain Gang Now" and "A Legend in My Time" sound a bit pre-American IV, even). The other tracks, I'd say, might have really been recorded in 2003. But this is pure speculation, it's too bad Rubin & co. probably won't release the recording dates (or is that info already available somewhere? I doubt it). In any case, I'm wondering if we should revert that edit. Cromag 14:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you might have noticed I created five articles for some of the albums which did not have their own page yet. I've also stored several infoboxes for soon-to-be-created articles, and these are in my Sandbox. But the reason I'm writing is the last edit to the Waylon Jennings page by a user with no userpage, and it is this edit I find a bit troubling. It's like a semi-vandalism, except I'm sure he had good intentions, considering he created a pretty good article on Heartaches By The Number (And Other Country Favorites)(album) (I'll work on that one soon, needs fixing). However, he moved some compilations to the Studio albums section (among other things), I think, and confusion ensues for me. What do you think should be done about this? Cromag 20:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll be glad to add some stuff to the articles you created; somehow, I consider it easier to write the prose than to go through all the hassle of infoboxes and track listings, which is why I didn't get it all done sooner. I've already added some information on The Ramblin' Man and Dreaming My Dreams and plan to do the same for the others. Frankly, I hate infoboxes and have pretty much given up on manually calculating the length of each album, but it goes without saying that they're an integral part of the standard album article/stub. Yeah, I'm getting annoyed with the Cash template guy too; this isn't exactly vandalism, but persistently reverting to his own version is ultimately pointless because we'll have the upper hand anyway. The next time he does it without giving a legitimate reason, I'm giving him a warning. Then I'll probably raise the issue officially. Cromag 21:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to start working on the Waylon articles soon (it's been a busy time for me and, unfortunately, it's not over yet). But I just wanted to mention that I found an interview with Cash which confirms that at least "On the Evening Train" was recorded in 2000, way before the dates listed on the American V page. It can be found here: [1]. Near the bottom, Cash mentions Williams having written the song for "a singer named Molly O'Day in 1949". It's nothing major, but again, I'm not sure if the recording dates as they are in the American V article should stay there if they might be inaccurate. Cromag 21:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'm pretty much done with the prose the albums whose pages you've created. I'll be writing articles for subsequent albums shortly. I don't think I'll be including separate sections with charts info; that can be mostly found within the articles. What's important right now is that the articles are actually created; not that much to go now. The prose is probably my favorite part of it all, though. As a digression, are you planning work on any other similar discographies in the near future? I'm not sure I'll be up to the job, especially after a tiring discography like Waylon's, but I might take a shot at David Allan Coe someday. Willie Nelson probably deserves articles for each album as well, but I'd leave that for later, if anything. By the way, do you think the Highwaymen's albums should be included in the JC template? Under "Studio albums"? For the sake of completion, I say yes, even though it would be weird to see The Road Goes on Forever right after American Recordings in the template. But maybe that's just my irrational thinking. Cromag 02:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I recently stumbled upon what looks like a Christmas studio album by Cash, recorded around 1990-91, I think. I don't have links handy, but I think it's called Country Christmas and you should be able to find it on Amazon, at least. I heard some samples long ago and indeed, his voice on the record sounds more or less like it should have sounded around that time. So I guess we can take a shot at creating an article for it and adding it to the template/discography (and then we should remove the sentence in which it is claimed that Classic Christmas is the last of Cash's Christmas records from the appropriate article). Cromag 13:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, well, I'd say the combination of that information (it's also on the German site you posted a while back) and the fact that Cash's voice sounds stronger than...well, than on some tracks on American III, in fact, suggests that it is indeed the 2000 version. I too don't have the album handy (heh heh; plan to buy it though), but I doubt that information would be contained in the liner notes and such anyway. But alright, we can let it stay the way it is. On Waylon, I'm a completist, so I'll go ahead and try to do some more :). Cromag 17:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Global highway

How can i improve the Global highway article? I feel it has merit, and if given a chance, it could become a very good encyclopedic article. I dont' want to see this thing deleted just yet, becuase i think its information is valid on a number of levels. RaccoonFox • Talk • Stalk 19:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions! I've never been one to understand the definitions of "Formal documents", but i'll do what i can to spruce this thing up. I'll need a couple days, though. :) RaccoonFox • Talk • Stalk 22:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Cosmopolitan Railway and Global Highway

I'm actually for either merging or keeping them separate, and i'll explain.

I've upgraded the Global Highway article to become large enough to stand on its own (to me, at least). Cosmopolitan Railway i feel, is the same way.

However, (and there always is a however :) ), both are nearly identical, in listing proposed connections for all the continents and nations. The only differences present are that one document is for rail traffic, the other for automobile or rail traffic. I'd merge if you think it would not be too large, but i think both should make at least "honourable mentions" in each others' articles. RaccoonFox • Talk • Stalk 00:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Why thank you for the compliments! I do work like a busy-bee when i see something that catches my interest. I'd love to continue working on these topics with you in the future. :) RaccoonFox • Talk • Stalk 00:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Bow tie

Hi,

You may have an interest, since I saw your name in the history list of the Bow tie article: There's a separate article, List of bow tie wearers and an admin is suggesting deleting it. When I looked into the Bow tie page, I found there's already a list there. I don't have an opinion on which list should remain, but one really should go. I'd appreciate your advice on the Talk:Bow tie page, if you're interested and have the time.Noroton 00:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Your edit on Original Masters

I see you've recently made some minor revisions to the article I created on the Jethro Tull greatest hits album Original Masters. I appreciate the replacement of hyphens with em dashes in the track listing, but why shorten the type of album to "Greatest hits" rather than "Greatest hits album"? When you read the bit as "Greatest hits by Jethro Tull" it just doesn't click as well as "Greatest hits album by Jethro Tull". I also notice you only made the replacement on the Album WikiProject and not the body text. Why is this? Sorry to split hairs like so many others have done on this site, but thanks for your consideration Filter1987 19:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Cash template, take two

Hey Alcuin. The Johnny Cash template is currently under criticism from JoeSmack and I consider many of the points he raised to be quite logical and, in essence, correct. Since we collaborated on the template, can you possibly add to the discussion and help transform the template (or perhaps break it up into smaller ones) so that it'll not be so huge? Thanks. Cromag 20:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

To arms! To arms!

The List of bow tie wearers page has been nominated for article deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers) and there are already seven deletionists surrounding me. Are you, a contributor to that page (and to the discussion on the Bow tie page back in October) gonna let them do that?!? Defend our page! Go there to vote to uphold truth, justice and the civilized way! Noroton 20:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nearly all sources found

Hi, You voted to delete at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers page but said "Delete unless someone wants to find sources", well, I found sources for about 90 percent of what's in that article now and made other changes in order to meet the objections of you and others. Could you please check it out at List of bow tie wearers and reconsider your vote? Noroton 00:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)