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World War II and the history of Jews in Poland: Arbitration case opened

Hello Femke,

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence. Please add your evidence by April 04, 2023, which is when the first evidence phase closes. Submitted evidence will be summarized by Arbitrators and Clerks at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence/Summary. Owing to the summary style, editors are encouraged to submit evidence in small chunks sooner rather than more complete evidence later.

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Netherlands article

Hey, Femke! I've just created Palmwood shipwreck and was looking at WikiProject Netherlands for someone who might be willing to take a look. I've found a lot of sources in English, but there may be some in Dutch that I'm not finding because I'm not using the right search terms. I see that this might not be within your areas of interest, so if you're not interested, no worries! Valereee (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I've asked somebody with an interest in Texel and ships offwiki. The sources on the Dutch version of the article don't seem very in-depth at a glance. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

And I just discovered the Dutch version after some bot connected the two! Thanks! Valereee (talk) 17:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

They recommended the museum website: https://kaapskil.nl/het-palmhoutwrak/. Already cited in the article, but all information is also available in English, so it may be an easier source to use that it looks at first glance. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

"deplorable state but not supercore"

Just a comment that I'd entirely agree with your assessment-- I'm not really in it to win it, more working on a somewhat important article that could benefit from improvement. If it doesn't fit the scope of the contest, I'd be happy to remove my entry. Best wishes, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I would definitely say it fits the scope of the contest :). Any capital would do! It's just that more core article are easier if you want to go for the win. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Your deal in the news

Check this out lol. jp×g 20:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I very very much agree (and have spoken about this with @Astinson (WMF) on multiple occasions). And it's not only in 'climatetech' that we stop being neutral because we're outdated, it's also true for the physics of climate change. The physical science 10-15 years ago was much more uncertain, and climate denial can almost be defined as exaggerating uncertainty. And some aspects of climate change weren't visible, leaving us with sentences like "heat wave are expected to increase in frequency". Have just starting editing the deplorable Energy policy of the European Union, curious what I'll find there. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Didn't have to look for long: the article states "Many underlying proposals are designed to limit global temperature changes to no more than 2 °C above pre-industrial levels, of which 0.8 °C has already taken place and another 0.5–0.7 °C is already committed.".. We're at 1.2C now. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2023

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:11, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

AWB Request

Greetings @Femke, I saw you have recently approved another users AWB rights request and I am wondering if you could take a look at mine. I am eager to start using the tool.

Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 19:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Bit too tired to look at it today, but will have another look tomorrow. I see you're lower on non-automated edits than typically required however. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I completely understand being tired. I am really busy at work right now, and am very stressed. About my non-automated edits, the granting guidelines say “Users with under 250 non-automated mainspace edits or 500 total mainspace edits will likely not be accepted.” I have almost 1,000 total Mainspace edits, so that should work, right? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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New message from Illusion Flame

Hello, Femke. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/AutoWikiBrowser.
Message added 20:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

- 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Effects of climate change

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Effects of climate change you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

My AWB rights

Hello @Femke. A few days/weeks ago you granted me AWB rights. I have since tried to use them but have found they do not work with my browser/device. I see no reason to keep them as they will not be used, so please remove me from the list.

Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:52, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame: Sorry for the late reply. You indicated that you wanted to try JWB. Have you tried AWB instead? It works as a Desktop application, so that may help you circumvent the device/browser limits you had. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

AWB doesn’t work either. I am a mobile user, so AWB doesn’t work at all and JWB works, but is unusable because of my screen size. Thanks for trying to help anyway. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you see my reply? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I did, but prioritised by limited energy elsewhere. Have removed you now. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:31, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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Request on 13:17:34, 1 May 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Violaine LI

• Violaine LI (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:China-Europe-America Global Initiative (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Femke,

Thank you for giving advice on the three best resources. Please find them as follows: 1.For the first dialogue of the China-Europe-America Net-Zero Transition Platform https://www.bjreview.com/World/202112/t20211224_800270989.html 2.For the first dialogue of the China-Europe-America Philanthropy Cooperation Initiative http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/ctenglish/2018/commentaries/202109/t20210909_800257880.html 3.For the first dialogue of the China-Europe-America Museums Cooperation Initiative second dialogue http://www.china.org.cn/arts/2022-05/20/content_78229240.htm

There were more sources made to the second submission but some of them are in Chinese.

Please advice further on how more improvements can be made to this article.

Violaine LI (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank @Violaine LI. I've copied the sources over to the talk page of the draft.

The first news article you shared does not contain enough information about the initiative to qualify (only 1 sentence). Furthermore, it's not sufficiently independent of the initiative, as it is largely based on quotes from involved people. I feel the other two may be based off of press releases, but I'm unfamiliar with those sources. If no three articles exist that are independent of the topic (so articles not based on interviews with involved people / press releases), there is not much more you can do than wait for more sources to be published. No matter of improvements to the article can make a topic WP:notable if not enough has been published about it. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Femke for your prompt response.

Regarding the perspective of "sufficiently independent of the initiative",

there is another article which contains no quotes of involved people and thus more independent.

Please check : https://ciss.tsinghua.edu.cn/info/CFEvents/4352

It was published on the site of one of China's top University's. As for the other two sources, I estimate that they qualify the criteria that you mentioned.

All these sources were referred to on the article yet the submissions were declined. Violaine LI (talk) 14:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Violaine LI. As Tsinghua was a partner in that dialogue, this is unfortunately not independent either. Writing new articles is very hard, and I typically do not recommend it to new editors. On another note, could I ask what your relation is to David Gosset? If you have a conflict of interest, you must declare it. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Femke, thank you for pointing out the COI. I didn't know about this. : {{Connected contributor|User1=Violaine LI |U1-declared=yes}}</nowiki> Violaine LI (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, on the page of David Gosset, there's a Maintenance template on the top of the page, regarding to citation. I've made improvements to the references according to the article "Wikipedia:Template index/Sources of articles". Please estimate if it's the time to remove the maintenance template. Violaine LI (talk) 12:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Are you paid for the contributions? If so, please also follow Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. The article doesn't have bare links anymore, so feel free to delete the tag. Even better would be to provide more information for the links with only a title, such as an author and English translation. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Effects of climate change

The article Effects of climate change you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Effects of climate change for comments about the article, and Talk:Effects of climate change/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 05:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Femke, for all the expert constructive work you do on this website. —RCraig09 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

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Hemingway App

I just tried out the Hemingway App linked on your user page on the lead of Northumberland Avenue, a good article, and it came back as "poor". Chief complaints were most of the text was hard to read (but didn't explain why so I can't do anything) and said several places used "passive voice", which as far as I'm aware, is what Wikipedia's Manual of Style recommends. Have I got the wrong end of the stick? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I've just learned this trick last week on how to use all these apps better. They get confused about citations, but if you copy the text from Wikiwand (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Northumberland_Avenue), then the citations are not copied over and you get a more accurate score (I got "okay" for Northumberland Avenue; grade 11 rather than Hemingway's preferred 9). Much better than what I got in the GAs I wrote I before realised how much I overestimated reading skills.

In terms of the MOS, it doesn't seem to give a blanket recommendation (see MOS:PASSIVE). The passive voice can help avoid some unencyclopedic news-style details from appearing in articles. On the other hand, MOS:WEASEL gives plenty of examples of inappropriate passive voice. When both the object and subject of a sentence are relevant, we can switch to active voice without problem, such as was done in [1]

• "Coastal flooding can be exacerbated by local subsidence which may be natural but can be increased by human activity"
• "Local subsidence, which may be natural but can be increased by human activity, can exacerbate coastal flooding".

I think the latter is easier to read. Maybe Hemingway puts a bit too much emphasis on this one aspect of readability; WP:REDEX (Tony's exercises) is more comprehensive.

I don't think the passive in Northumberland Avenue is a problem at all. There are maybe two sentences that could be active? Having had a quick read of the article just now, I do think it's possible to nit-pick some more on the long sentences:

• From the 1930s onwards, hotels disappeared from Northumberland Avenue and were replaced by offices used by departments of the British Government, including the War Office and Air Ministry, later the Ministry of Defence.
• It had become one of the most popular hotels in London by the turn of the 20th century, being described by the War Office in 1914 as "of world-wide reputation", and was the original location of the Aero Club and Alpine Club. --> It had become one of the most popular hotels in London by the turn of the 20th century, and was the original location of the Aero Club and Alpine Club. The War Office described it as "of world-wide reputation" in 1914.

This reminds me that I was trying to write some more Wikipedia-specific guidance on readability at User:Femke/readability, as WP:READABILITY is not quite what you'd expect.. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hemingway uses the Flesch–Kincaid grade level I believe, so it will say your sentence is difficult if it has too many long words and too many words. Of course, some short words are difficult (thus, whom), or some long words are easy (like difficult, interesting), so it's just a proxy. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
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Delisting article

Hi @Femke,

I noticed a while back that you delisted David Carradine from the good article list. I totally agree. When I got serious with Wikipedia I looked up to good articles as a model to construct a page, not knowing there was such a thing as "Featured articles".

Anyways one of these article was Dolph Lundgren. Which was vastly intricate to the point that in his lede it was mentioned that he worked 4 times with a character actor named Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, that one of Quentin Tarantino's early credit was in a project starring Lundgren, and a full on description of the family life of a composer in a film where he co-stars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dolph_Lundgren&diff=prev&oldid=1035655847

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dolph_Lundgren&diff=prev&oldid=1049597807

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dolph_Lundgren&diff=prev&oldid=975716123

I did fix these specific problems. If you go into it's history there is information that was using citation that did not confirm that information.

Lundgren's page is too intricate, and was a bad model for me to follow I am wondering if you could re-evaluate it, it's not good at all. Filmman3000 (talk) 20:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello there!

Great you've been improving the article. I agree with you that its GA status needs a re-evaluation, as it contains significant text that is tagged for lacking citations. It's very common that old GAs fall in disrepair. A recently listed GA is a much better model.

You can list an article to be re-evaluated by following the instruction at WP:GAR. It's quite easy if you install the user script mentioned in the top-right box. Femke (alt) (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The Core Contest winners announced

The winners of the 2023 The Core Contest are announced 🎉. We had an amazing set of improvements this year, and the judges (Femke, Aza24 and Casliber) would like to thank everybody who joined and congratulate the winners.

• First place goes to Buidhe for improving The Holocaust; very core, highly relevant; their work on bringing geographical balance to the article puts the topic in a whole different light. We also commend improvements to sourcing and prose
• A close second place goes to Phlsph7 for improving Education from an unstructured jumble into a well-sourced piece of instruction
• Third prize goes to Johnbod for improving Donatello, a near five-fold expansion with great sourcing and fantastic imagery
• A tie for fourth place goes to Thebiguglyalien for improving Crime, for a strong improvement in sourcing
• A tie for fifth place goes to Sammielh for International law, improved by converting contextless listicles into a proper sourced prose

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DYK for Effects of climate change

On 29 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Effects of climate change, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that due to climate change there are not only more heatwaves over land, but also more heatwaves in the ocean? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Effects of climate change. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Effects of climate change), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

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Your GA nomination of Long COVID

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Your GA nomination of Long COVID

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GA

Congratulations on your newest GA! Are you planning to bring it up to FA status? If you need a copyeditor sometime, give me a shout :) Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:44, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks :). I am thinking about it, but want to work on bringing chronic fatigue syndrome up to GA first. I want the topic to become a bit more stable before I go the FA route, and hopefully get some involvement from experts too. A copyedit would really be welcome before an FAC. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 06:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow. Chronic fatigue syndrome is an incredibly challenging and important topic. May The Force be with you! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

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Quoted in The New York Times

Greetings! I hope that autumn finds you well. You've been quoted in the NYTimes article, Clean Energy’s Powerful Momentum. You were also quoted in the Times' "Climate Forward" email that I receive. Thank you for your service. —RCraig09 (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks :). It's been quite cool how much media attention the paper got. Today, I got to talk about the science in Dutch, which has turned embarassingly rusty, even struggling with simple words like "investor". Might start to properly turn truly British at some point. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Congrats on publication in such a prestigious journal! I see (through scholar.google.com) that you have other publications as well. You provide such valuable contributions and viewpoints to Wikipedia. Bedankt! —RCraig09 (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 22 December 2023. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 2023, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/December 2023. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from two days before the article appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work!—Wehwalt (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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Merger discussion for Illustrative model of greenhouse effect on climate change

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Thank you for the cooperative discussion at ME/CFS

I do have one request that I didn't want to clog up on that talk page. If you put the first author and the date in a citation reference name I think it makes it easier later down the road when you're scoping outdated information in articles. Ward20 (talk) 21:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Of course :). The perennial Visual Editor issue. Will keep in mind to change the defaults to something sensible. Definitely plan to ask for this to be changed at next year's Community Wishlist. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Melvin Ramsay

The article Melvin Ramsay you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Melvin Ramsay for comments about the article, and Talk:Melvin Ramsay/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has never appeared on the Main Page as a "Did you know" item, and has not appeared within the last year either as "Today's featured article", or as a bold link under "In the news" or in the "On this day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear at DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On this day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Maxim Masiutin -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Maxim Masiutin: that was a pleasant surprise, a review without to-dos. I'll surely improve the lead before nominating for DYK. I only need some inspiration as to what fact to pull out. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I reviewed the article and studied that person a little bit. There is very little information available. You've done a great job and covered most you could find during the life. Still, I was more focused on legacy, that's why I mentioned on foundations. Maybe you will be able to visit archives or some other sources where a photo can be found - that would be even awesome! Although an article without a photo would not probably pass FA requirements, but for the GA it is OK since the photo is hard to find. Please consider also doing reviews in biology and medicine sections, not my articles (so we would not be accused in favoritism) but other articles so the backlog will be lower and new reviewers will pick up my articles sooner. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 19:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

There are only two photos found online of him. I have tried contacting websites that used the better photo, but they could not point me to the right-holder. I was quite surprised how little is written on him, as he's often described as quite foundational for the field. Really had to dig deeply, took me a few hours to get enough for Wikipedia:Notability. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:29, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you please send me those photos by email (use Email this user option) either as attachments or as URLs Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you please move this discussion about Melvin Ramsay on substance (starting from "Thank you very much! I reviewed the article and studied that person" from your user page to the Talk:Melvin Ramsay page so eventual future editors will be aware of our discussion, maybe they may suggest us on ideas about photos. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Maximum featured article size

Do you think this is worthwhile and any ideas please? [2] Tom B (talk) 19:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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A question

I made a note to myself a while ago to ask you a question about something. Anyway, I've completely forgotten what it was, but I hope you've been well. jp×g🗯️ 09:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah thanks for dropping by here 😊

I've been doing okay given the utter chaos at work / at home. My and partner just bought our first place, and there is a lot of work to do even if you buy a house in a good state of repair and get a moving company to help. With long COVID, it's packing a single box a day, so our current place is slowly becoming a maze of boxes. Looking forward to having a properly insulated place after works are finished in January though.

At work, it's crisis management, as I hired somebody who's not quite up to the job. Also juggling a gazzillion different projects and teaching next term. How I wish I was a PhD candidate again and could actually get research done, rather than project management all the time. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Typing issues with mobile editing

the reply-tool is buggy (when I start typing, delete my sentence, and continue anew, I can't post). I should really open some phabs for this. You may be interested in the phab I created in Feb 2022, phab:T302083. Good ol' mobile editing. If it fits your issue, maybe go make a comment on it so it gets top of inbox again for the devs :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

That very much looks like it's the same! Posted. I never quite know the social norms/jargon on phab. Like, what does it that it's being "upstreamed". Does that mean "on it, no need to further nag us". Or is additional info still useful. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

There's some document somewhere that says you're not supposed to make "me too!" posts on Phab, but in this case I think an exception is warranted. That ticket needs some activity.

In this case, "upstreamed" means that TK-999 and Wikia copied our VisualEditor's code to make a Wikia VisualEditor. Then they submitted some GBoard-fixing patches just to the Wikia VisualEditor, but not the Wikimedia VisualEditor. "Upstreaming" means also submitting their patches to the Wikimedia VisualEditor. Looking at the code, looks like they've solved the bug, so yes, would be great to get those upstreamed.

If I may make one more suggestion, maybe edit your Phab comment to mention that you're using Android (rather than iOS). Hope this helps :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Article size

@Femke, the evidence suggests the max guideline should potentially be at 10,000, but i'm open to further analysis. I'm thinking of doing a survey/RfC like Wikipedia_talk:Article_size/Archive_6#Should_the_size_guideline_be_removed?, but in the other direction. E.g.

The size guideline of 15,000 comes from a technical limit in 2007, when Wikipedia was in its main growth phase. It is based on a technical limit which is obsolete. Evidence indicates we should tighten the guideline to 10,000 words, to increase quality and readability. [Add evidence from the tables] We could do this by tightening the guidance to 14,000 now, then 13,000 etc every 6 months till the 10,000 evidence-based limit is reached.

I appreciate we'll need to explain the evidence-base more. What do you think? Or is section size a better thing to invest time in? thanks very much for all your help already! Tom B (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Writing with voice software so excuse the errors.

Hello @Tpbradbury :). I think the evidence is still a too weak to say the guideline should go down. There is quite a focal group of people that this like the guideline as is. I'm sure memory is betraying Me but I think I once suggested that we go down to 12,000 which never got to RFC stage because of opposition. It's quite unlikely that consensus can be reached to go down in size.

In the end, the best way to know what the correct sizes for an article is to do reader research. This could be by selecting articles that are about similar topics that have significantly different lengths and asking readers whether they could find information they were looking for, if they could easily navigate on the page, and a few other questions. Quite a few questions on Wikipedia can be answered with reader research we typically do not have the tools as editor to do this type of research. The Research team at the WMF is quite small, and there is no meta:Community Tech equivalent for research, which is a shame.

I think there are a couple of other places we can make progress to make articles more readable.

Firstly, I think the WP:article size section on trimming and content removal can give more examples of when content can be removed uncontroversially. I've just added the first one, which is about copyediting for conciseness. We can find other examples in existing guidelines on other quality improvements that coincidentally decreased length. I think we surely must have some guidelines about articles that are initially based on news articles, and when the dust has settled can be rewritten from books 10 years later. These books typically leave out all the insignificant details. Leeds are often too long, so it's great if we can get some guidance included in them. Redundancy is something people forget to look out for when they call for a split prematurely.

More importantly, we do not have a guideline on readability, which is quite astounding, Given that we have guidelines on almost everything. @CactiStaccingCrane recently started a Help page on readability: Help:How to write a readable article. I think that page requires some work before it can be strongly linked from loads of other help pages. Maybe we can bring in more aspects of readability in their and includes readability into our accessibility guidelines. For me, articles in overly academic English probably form my biggest accessibility barrier since I've come down with long COVID cognitive problems. Our WP:accessibility guideline is very strongly focused on screen readers and doesn't take into account wider accessibility needs.

Finally, I've been dreaming about having enough time to organise a contest to improve ledes. So many of first sentences Bloated difficult to understand, Pedantic. The rest of the lead is often a bit better but can still be improved massively. Improving and leaders not a lot of work so with some enthusiastic participants we can really make a dent especially we focus on the hundred thousand most read Wikipedia articles for instance. As is, I find it difficult to have enough energy to organise the WP:Core Contest, which I try to do every year. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I've not heard of the core contest in years! Fair enough, my dream of shorter articles may have to wait a little longer Tom B (talk) 22:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

ok, thanks for the message and your continued help. it'll progress one way or another. after this is resolved, i was planning to suggest removing the word almost from the guideline, what do you think? it'll very likely need to go to rfc. of the 15 FAs currently over 15,000 words, nearly all are great men of history, Tom B (talk) 22:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Hannah E. Davis

On 12 December 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hannah E. Davis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hannah Davis authored highly cited articles on long COVID while battling the disease herself? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hannah E. Davis. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hannah E. Davis), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Name article

In case you're interested: I've listed Femke as good article nominee. – Editør (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Hah, cool :). I wouldn't be surprised if a reviewer would like the article to be expanded further. The source you found on https://nvb.meertens.knaw.nl/verklaring/naam/Femme has more information on both the "Frede" part of the etymology and the "mar" part, if you click on those links. Potentially, there may be some more information on the social aspects in the following source; https://dspace.library.uu.nl/handle/1874/355635. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 13:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions and interesting paper! I have just added the Proto-Germanic roots for 'Frede' and 'mar' (using other sources that I found clearer about the root language) and I've added some info from the paper to the popularity section. – Editør (talk) 17:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The article has just passed the GA review. Thanks again for your suggestions. – Editør (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Neuroinflammation

Just to clarify (as you mentioned "failed verification") the wording comes direct from ref 44 in the Lee review, as mentioned in my edit summary. But yes, it's probably better to either leave it out or just replace with a general neuroinflammation review. What are your thoughts on this? sciencewatcher (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it's great you're verifying the reviews by directly comparing it to the cited sources! It would be good if text-source integrity was as important in the scientific literature as here on Wikipedia. I've been watching the recent NIH seminars to try and make sure the reviews I cite are representative of the wider research community. I think the text is now more reflective of the 2019 views and review than the more recent one. Happy for the text to stay this way till the two ongoing N-is-big studies come out; those should give us more conclusive answers soon :).

I think we should leave it out, as it wasn't too important, there is a discrepancy between the review and the primary study and the primary study wasn't published in a great journal. I couldn't find your exact statement in source 44, but maybe that's me being blind. In the future, please do make sure the citation keeps matching the text on Wikipedia. If it contradicts the primary source cited, usually best to omit. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at that first paragraph in the Neurological section. It needs replaced by a good review, with more accurate and up to date info. sciencewatcher (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

That was certainly on my to-do list :). It's also a bit repetitive with other the third paragraph, which is more up-to-date, but partially based on a 2017 source, so not quite ideal per WP:MEDDATE. Plan to update the entire article and nominate it for GA around April-June. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 01:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, that's great to hear! sciencewatcher (talk) 04:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Femke. Thank you for your work on Carmen Scheibenbogen. Lightburst, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thanks for the article. I marked it as reviewed

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DYK for Melvin Ramsay

On 13 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Melvin Ramsay, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that physician Melvin Ramsay refuted the suggestion – partially based on the fact more women are affected – that myalgic encephalomyelitis is a form of mass hysteria? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Melvin Ramsay. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Melvin Ramsay), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Wish you feel well soon...

Long COVID is so scary. I couldn't imagine what's like to always feel fatigue and never recovers from it. I hope that you would have more energy soon. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping by. It absolutely sucks yeah. I'm fortunately not always fatigued. My main symptom is post-exertional malaise, which means I need to pace myself and plan every little thing in detail to ensure I say within my energy envelope, and avoid migraines and fatigue. Recently dropped down to part-time, and also moved house; the new place is a bit smaller and much more efficient, so should be able to live a bit more :). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Carmen Scheibenbogen

On 14 February 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carmen Scheibenbogen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Carmen Scheibenbogen was awarded the German Cross of Merit for her work on ME/CFS at the suggestion of patients and relatives? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carmen Scheibenbogen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Carmen Scheibenbogen), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Regarding your GA review and other medical article topics

Hello,

Thanks for your comments and the review of infectious mononucleosis.

Thinking more of the article, it has another big issue, which I am not sure if / how it can be resolved; While there are other causes mentioned, like CMV and some others loosely supported, the vast majority of the content and the sources are specific to the EBV infection. So it definitely cannot pass at this point and I shouldn't had nominated it. Still thanks for taking the time to review it and add these thoughts.

I think that, in medicine related content (one of the two I plan to focus on) I will try contributing to some other less structurally complex articles first before giving another shot to this one and trying to resolve the blocking issues (while probably still trying to do some smaller improvements/updates)

Thanks in any case! Konstantina07 (talk) 22:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Konstantina07. Starting with a simpler article can't hurt, no :). The criteria for a GA are that an article is broad. If some information on other causes is mentioned, but not complete or expanded upon, that's perfectly fine for a good article. Only when you go for a WP:featured article, should the text be comprehensive.

In terms of finding good WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, you can find links to PubMed on the talk page of the article you work on, automatically limiting the search to newer secondary sources (f.i. see this query for IM). If you make another few dozen edits, you also unlock access to WP:The Wikipedia Library. That may help you access more up-to-date reviews on medical topics. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Femke,

This ANI discussion is not about you but I mentioned your name so I thought I'd alert you. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Maxim Masiutin -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 12:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome

The article Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome for comments about the article, and Talk:Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Maxim Masiutin -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 16:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
• Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
• Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
• Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
• Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
• Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
• Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
• Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
• Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
• Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
• Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
• Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
• Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
• Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
• Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
• Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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WP:PERM/PCR

Dear Femke, Hello I saw you proceeded other user's request except my friend request on WP:PERM/PCR but you and any other administrators are not attention on my friend's request ; they are new on here but they are joined Wikipedia last 5 year ago and he obtained rollbacker on hiwiki and simplewiki, I think If you proceed my friend request, then they feel more happy ; please see
my friend's request. 😊 ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 04:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Outcome switching

On 18 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Outcome switching, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in nearly one in three clinical trials, authors engage in outcome switching, which can undermine the reliability of the trials? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Outcome switching. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Outcome switching), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thanks for your work on Myalgic_encephalomyelitis/chronic_fatigue_syndrome

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for bringing this page more in line with modern science. Many of the pages related to this illness are still riddled with psychobabble and inappropriate sources (psychiatry journals) but I was pleasantly surprised with this page. It's really great what you've done with it.Justpasding (talk) 03:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks :). It's nice to see the that the work we've been doing is noticed. My plan is to work more on the main article to bring it up to Wp:featured article. That way, it's allowed on the Main Page for a day. The main page also gets a lot of views compared to the smaller pages.

Psychiatry journals are not disallowed on Wikipedia. The reason I've deleted many citations to them is the fact the articles were more than 5 years old, which means they may not reflect current consensus anymore. For instance, they sometimes cite very old criteria such as Oxford, which NICE says should be retired.

If there are specific articles with very outdated sourcing, you can leave a message on talk:myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. I'm sure one of the article watched there can do an update. Or, keeping in mind WP:MEDRS (only citing recent reviews), be bold and improve the article's yourself! —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Your plan is really cool!!! Thanks for the advice.

I know psychiatry journals are allowed! I just mean since this is a neuroimmune condition they are not always an appropriate authority. For example, the section on NAC in Management of ME/CFS says that it has no benefit and cites a 2011 article authored by four psychiatrists and psychologists using Oxford Consensus. Cell metabolism is not their field.

I was bold and corrected it with links to more recent scientific journal articles which found it may have benefit, but I see today that someone has already reverted all my work and they claim it doesn't meet WP:MEDRS - I don't understand why as my articles are newer, reputable, and reflect the current science. A bit demoralizing. Wikipedia is a confusing place! Justpasding (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Justpasding Thanks for being bold here! The citation standards for medical articles are quite strict. We're only supposed to use scientific review papers (that collate multiple clinical trials) rather than the clinical trials themselves. That's because single trials may be chance findings.

I recently learned that one in three clinical trials do this thing called outcome switching, which can hide cherry picking results from the trial. This is what the PACE trial did for instance. A review will look critically at the available evidence. A good review for ME/CFS drugs is the 2021 review Where will the drugs come from". —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for explaining! I think I understand now. That review supports it so I have added it as a ref. I also added a second review which also covers it -Treatment and management of chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis: all roads lead to Rome.

Widespread Outcome switching is a bit disillusioning. There was me thinking PACE trial was an outlier! Hey thanks again, I really appreciate what you're doing.Justpasding (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Quick question

Hey, could you create a second delivery list for TCC? Wanting to get one going with the current participants names, so we can send them the notifications for the contest beginning. I can't create it with being an admin or template editor.

P.S. hope you don't mind I stole your TCC message for my own user page! Best – Aza24 (talk) 06:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Let me figure out how to do this again first :) —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aza24: You can find the empty list here: Wikipedia:The Core Contest/participant delivery list. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 19:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome

On 12 April 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that some people with severe myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome can lose the ability to speak? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

BMJ Best practice

I see you use this source for many edits on the CFS articles, but I can't find access to it anywhere, including in the Wikipedia Library. Do you know of any way of accessing it, or are you able to email me a copy of the article for use in editing the article? Thx. sciencewatcher (talk) 02:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I probably accessed it via the University of Exeter. Happy to email you a copy if you send me an email? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Thx, just sent you my email address. sciencewatcher (talk) 00:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it thx. sciencewatcher (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Possibility of a PACE trial page

Hi Femke, I wanted to ask you this since you are the wikipedia expert on ME/CFS :).

Do you think the PACE trial has enough notability to warrant its own page? It was obviously a big trial that came out with lots of media coverage. Then there were lots of publications and letters critiquing it too. Then there was the whole freedom of information tribunal fiasco and the resulting reanalyses. Recently an opinion piece by Monbiot in the guardian showed a perspective on the trial that wasn’t always covered by the media. It’s a 13 year old trial and still being talked about a lot, more about its controversies than it’s findings.

Do you think that fits the wikipedia notability guidelines? YannLK (talk) 10:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

It could serve as a nice way to get heavily cut down and reform the “controversy” subsection in the management of me/cfs article (which is a big essay about the pace trial) while keeping a similar amount of information on wikipedia. YannLK (talk) 18:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

It's definitely far above the threshold of WP:NOTABILITY. And having it as a separate article allows us to summarise it in two sentences in our management of ME/CFS article. Currently, it gets WP:UNDUE attention in that article. In summary, good idea :). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Cool. I created Draft:PACE trial. I’ll work on it bit by bit when I have the energy. I’ll try and keep it concise. (I had a look at the mepedia page for possible sources and that thing is a mile long 😂). YannLK (talk) 19:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Femke, this was quicker than expected but I think I have a decently fleshed out draft. I’ve gone over it a few times and gone over sourcing.

Would you like to review it, or shall I submit it through the official wikipedia review process? I’m unsure of what would be better practice / what you would prefer to do in this case.

Just so you know there are multiple bits of the PACE trial section of the management page that are reused in the draft, and a couple phrases of the controversies page. This is obviously with the intent to shorten these sections once the draft is published. I will make a section in the concerned page’s talk pages when this happens. :) YannLK (talk) 13:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That's coming along nicely :). I'll post some feedback on the talk page of the draft.

In terms of process, shall we do the following:

• I'll give some feedback
• You address feedback and submit through the official review process
• I'll review it a final time and likely move it directly to mainspace? Unless somebody else comes along first and moves it, that is?

—Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That sounds good. Thank you very much for the help. YannLK (talk) 16:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Request

Hi, sorry to interrupt.

I just want to request you something... Can you indefinitely block CriticallyThinking? He kept making very opinionated edits, especially with the latest Tom & Jerry film.

Sincerely, Scoophole2021 (talk). 10:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Scoophole2021: I don't have the Internet to evaluate this at the moment, better ask at ANI, with WP:diffs. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 10:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

• Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
• Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
• Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
• Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
• Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
• Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
• Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
• Proposal 25 (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you please weigh in productively on the climate change speed discussion?

Please help us fix the article without a mountain of process by being clear with bogazicili that 1+1 does not equal 3. Removing a clearly false statement should not require a long discussion on how 1+2 equals 3 or how the article has changed over time or whatever else. I think it's going to require a lot of stupid process to get past egos and get this fixed if you don't step in with clarity. Thank you. Efbrazil (talk) 15:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Efbrazil. If I wasn't so overworked atm, I would have done so yesterday. I think the atmosphere in many of the climate climate articles has not been as good as it was a couple years back, and me moving mostly to other areas / being less active with long COVID hasn't helped, as we need people to propose concise compromises. The amount of text on CC pages is often too much for me to wade through, but I'll have a look now.

I think you can also play a role in improving interactions. It's sometimes said that experienced editors should typically abide by WP:1RR (or even WP:0RR. A revert can provoke a defensive reaction, leading to an overly long debate. If you wait for somebody else to revert, it usually sticks. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank Femke, I really appreciate your involvement, and I am very sorry to hear you are still suffering from long covid. I very much appreciate how you are able to get everyone to contribute productively. As you know though, that can take endless time and patience. That must be particularly challenging given your current situation.

My own approach is to always look for common ground, but I get impatient when I don't think that's being reciprocated. When the other side is driven by ego and simply wants to "win" and assumes the worst of everyone else it can be exhausting. I can snap when I get to the point of wanting to quit editing, because what I see is that the obviously wrong side will "win" simply by being a relentless asshole. But that's life, right? Efbrazil (talk) 22:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

One of the ways I try to shorten debates is to "compromise first". I'm less successful int that than before. Try to figure out why people say things, even if what they say isn't quite correct or you disagree with it.

It can definitely be annoying when others seem to assume the worst. The best way to deal with this is focus on content, and ignore the fluff on the talk page, and possibly write a kind and undnerstanding message on the user talk of the person who is not focussing solely on content. Assume good faith, usually people are driven by a passion for what they think is right, not by ego. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

ME

Hi Femke, do you have a copy of "ME/CFS, case definition, and serological response to Epstein-Barr virus. A systematic literature review"? I think we need to be more precise about "antibody activity". Graham Beards (talk) 12:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's accessible via the Wikipedia Library (it's not prompting me to connect to my uni), but happy to send you the paper of course :). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

It won't give me access :-( could you email a copy? best, Graham Beards (talk) 18:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

TFA

story · music · places

Today's TFA, Felix M. Warburg House, was written by Vami_IV and Epicgenius, introduced: "This article is about another of the great houses that once lined Fifth Avenue in New York. Specifically, this is the mansion of Felix M. Warburg, a Jewish financier who ignored fears of anti-Semitic reprisal to his decided to build himself a big Gothic manor in the middle of New York City. Although the Warburgs no longer remain, their legacy does: the museum is now the home of the Jewish Museum (Manhattan) and the building largely survives as they left it. It's a beautiful building and I hope you will all enjoy it."! - in memory -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. I still can't quite believe he's passed away. Such a wonderful person with an immense legacy. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

yes! and 3 more TFAs to come soon - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics of places show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)