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(I have relocated these very precious kindnesses from others to the top of my talkpage, so they will never be lost or forgotten. I am very grateful for each one.)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	For your well-chosen words at Talk:Christian ethics. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Phenomenal job on History of Christian thought on persecution and tolerance! Your deep grasp of the scholarly literature and your tireless commitment to addressing my large number of comments and generally improving the article is very impressive! Thank you for all your hard work! DocFreeman24 (talk) 14:46, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your diligence at Biblical criticism and elsewhere. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Your praises played by Moop Mama, more on my talk, or the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Friendship Barnstar
		Thank you again for your kind comments and friendly gesture. You are a fine example of a Kindness Campaign member. History DMZ (talk)+(ping) 04:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to take over the 'Gerda's newsletter' idea. I'm going to re-focus on maybe starting a Kindness Campaign newsletter :)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		You definitely deserve this for your work on History of Christian thought on persecution and tolerance! HouseBlaster (talk) 17:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...

"What do you mean, I can´t rewrite the entire article!?"
... you were recipient no. 1915 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

miss you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

		The Christianity Barnstar
		You deserve this for your herculean efforts to improve Biblical criticism and respond to the comments at its recent FAC. As Gog mentioned in the closing note, with some additional work it will have a good chance at passing next time around. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Fruits

Ovinus has given you a bowl of peaches! This delicious fruit promotes WikiLove and has hopefully made your day juicier. Spread peachiness and WikiLove by giving someone else some peaches, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, by adding {{subst:Peach}} to their talk page with a friendly message!

Was thinking of you and your work earlier, Jen. Thanks for everything and I hope you have a good day! I certainly will be... today is a dim light at the end of this year-long tunnel. Warmly, Ovinus (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Christianity Barnstar
		Dear Jenhawk777, I award you The Christianity Barnstar for all your hard work in WikiProject Christianity-related articles, especially your recent creation of Evolutionary theodicy. Keep up the good work! Your efforts are making a difference here! With regards, AnupamTalk 04:21, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you Jenhawk777 for the message that you left on Gerda's page for me. Truly, the volunteers of these huge projects like WP, LibriVox, DP cannot go the extra mile without people like Gerda and you, who inject fresh energy into the volunteers. The kind words are our only salary, and fortunately we all can pay each other a lot. :) Qapisce (talk) 10:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

A superior barnstar for you!

		The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia
		For all the time and effort you have put in — across thousands of edits — to markedly improve numerous articles related to Christianity all these years. The magnitude of the positive impact you have had with regard to Wikipedia's coverage of academic topics related to Christianity is unprecedented; I cannot think of any other editor who has worked so rigorously and improved those topics to the extent that you have. You are a phenomenal editor and your work is awe-inspiring. Thank you for all that you do! — The Most Comfortable Chair 21:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

This has touched me so deeply I almost cried. Thank you so, so very much. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For tireless and invaluable efforts on creating and improving Christianity-related pages. Avilich (talk) 12:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Not the first you receive, but the first I ever hand out. Avilich (talk) 12:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Avilich Bless your heart! Thank you so much! This is very kind of you and I appreciate it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Referencing of Conversion to Christianity

A cookie for your work, not sure how much more I can help you with referencing now :).

The content now reads as a proper Wikipedia article as well. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

ActivelyDisinterested Bless you! Thank you! I so deeply appreciate you and all your work. You are still the one I will reach out to when I have a problem, but you have taught me a lot, and this article was just too much to ask someone else to do for me. I would have enjoyed banging my head against a wall more, but hey, I followed your example and got it done. I put it up for peer review and others suggested adding back a theology section which I am beginning work on today. Thank you again. You are a great blessing. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

September songs

		The Original Barnstar
		For excellent work on Theodosius I and Massacre of Thessalonica Richard Keatinge (talk) 21:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Some secret history

Church leaders altered the NT so Constantine the Great wouldn't see the truth and become Muslim.[1] Fun stuff. There is an article on this general perspective, taḥrīf. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Uhmm - but Constantine lived around 300 and Islam didn't exist till about 600. Is this history according to Dr.Who? Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Details! And within Islam, it is the "eternal" religion, adhered to by Adam, Moses, Jesus and other prophets. Īsā was a Muslim, and Constantine would have been too, if it hadn't been for those meddling church leaders. It stands to reason. Well, theology. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha! It IS Dr.Who! Somehow I don't see either reason or theology involved. What a hoot! Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Reminded me of Talk:History_of_Christianity/Archive_4#Origins_of_Christianity. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh my... Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Some humor you probably seen already, but if not:[2][3] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

And some WP-commentary: Can You Trust Dr. Wikipedia?, a pretty good read. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for that, it was really interesting. I appreciated the awareness of how quickly Wiki changes. I was looking back over some things I wrote 5 or so years ago and the noted that some of the info is already dated and needs re-editing. I am never going to reach my goal!! :-( Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of secret history, if you have any comments on my new article Emilia Lanier theory of Shakespeare authorship I'd like to hear them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I have a hard time taking any of these theories seriously. Sorry. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. They're nonsense, but they are notable nonsense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from MAYENGO RING (03:34, 7 September 2024)

Hello, how do I type my own biography without necessarily having to edit an existing one --MAYENGO RING (talk) 03:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Are you a notable person with enough secondary sources who have written about you to qualify as worthy of an encyclopedia entry? If not, try Facebook. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from Abhishek4151 (13:36, 11 September 2024)

Hi published article help --Abhishek4151 (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't understand the question - is there a question? If what you are looking for is Help:Your first article just click, read and follow. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

September music

story · music · places

My story is about one of the people behind the peaceful revolution, a theologian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

What a great article. Well done. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - it had many authors, Grimes2 and I just got to it with updates after he died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Now we deal with theologian Norbert Lohfink, - any ideas from your side? I wish I could even understand the language of the fellow who praised him on his 90th birthday, let alone say it in English ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I know he is considered one of the influential "new" theologians, but theology is not my thing really. I am an ethicist with an avocation in history. I generally avoid theology... I can see it's important, but I find theology cryptic, dense, confusing and therefore frustrating. I'm sorry. I would help if I could. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Interesting that 1960s is considered "new" ;) - Anything in English about Jewish-Christian dialogue, which he contributed to, saying "Old Testament" is the same texts for both? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much anything after 1945 fits into the "new" category. Theology moves by centuries.

There is a lot of Lohfink out there. Since you asked about OT and Jewish-Christian dialogue, I selected these for your viewing pleasure:

• 1) Lohfink, Gerhard. Does God Need the Church?: Toward a Theology of the People of God. Liturgical Press, 2014; It discusses why God needs a "special people" such as the Jews.
• 2) Lohfink, Gerhard. Between Heaven and Earth: New Explorations of Great Biblical Texts Liturgical Press, 2022; confronts skepticism and the power of Jesus
• 3) Lohfink, Norbert, and Richard Kugelman. Culture Shock and Theology: A Discussion of Theology as a Cultural and a Sociological Phenomenon Based on the Example of a Deuteronomic Law. Biblical Theology Bulletin 7.1 (1977): 12-22; discusses the connection between Deuteronomy, sociology and theology
• 4) Lohfink, Norbert. Reading Deuteronomy 5 as narrative. A God So Near: Essays on Old Testament Theology in Honor of Patrick D. Miller (2003): 261-81;
• 5) Lohfink, Norbert, and Erich Zenger. The God of Israel and the Nations: Studies in Isaiah and the Psalms. Liturgical Press, 2000. This last one is specifically about Jewish-Christian dialogue.

Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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Question from FilmManiac4343 (13:36, 23 September 2024)

Hi, i'd like to know more about creating wikipedia page --FilmManiac4343 (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

An article? Your personal page? What kind of page? Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from Historysistery (01:53, 26 September 2024)

Hello there. Can you let me know when my article will be publicly available? Thank you! --Historysistery (talk) 01:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles are available as soon as they are published. Did you go through the Help:Your first article process? Once someone has reviewed and passed your article, it will be published. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Jenhawk can you give me more of an idea of WHEN that will be? Is someone reviewing my article now? Has the review already occurred? If not, when will that occur. I pushed the "publish" button for my article but it does not seem to be publicly available (i.e., I cannot find it via a Wikipedia search). Thanks for your help. Historysistery (talk) 11:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Send me the link and I will check on it. There are so many new articles there is always a backlog for reviewers. It can take as long as a year. But I will look at it and check for you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Jenhawk. Here is the article/link: Ellis R. Lippincott Jr. Historysistery (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

It is still listed as unassisted, but it is also already tagged as needing more references. Fix that and I will see about assessing it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

auto-correct translated to unassisted and I didn't catch it - it's unassessed. No one has passed it yet, that's why it doesn't show up in a search. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from Historysistery (21:51, 26 September 2024)

Are you a real person? Are you there? --Historysistery (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I am a real person who answered your first message and am now answering this one. Do you not check? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I am a new user and find this incredibly user unfriendly. Maybe I will get used to it. Historysistery (talk) 11:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

No, you are absolutely right. It doesn't even know what 'friendly' software looks like. It's like the QWERTY board. It's outdated. But so many people were trained on it, and are used to it, that it will never be changed. It takes a good 6 months to a year - depending of course on how much time you spend here and whether you actually read the help pages - to learn all of WP's little quirks and rules and requirements. I have been here for 7 years, on and off, and I am still learning and making mistakes. I ask for help all the time, and so do those who have been here even longer than I have. That's when you realize WP is a community. These are people who care about what they are doing. When that starts to sink in you realize the people and the work are like no place else. That's what keeps us here. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your sympathy and patience! Historysistery (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Mreu022 (16:58, 30 September 2024)

Hey, I edited a page without having an account but i want my ip adress to be concealed, now i have an account, is there something i can do about this? --Mreu022 (talk) 16:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not know the answer to that one. Sorry. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mreu022 See Wikipedia:Oversight. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. - About the FAC: how about a very limited topic for a first FAC? We are all overwhelmed by the History ;) - I take just one cantata at a time, not the history of cantatas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you dear one. It isn't FAC that I am committed to, it's the article itself - the topic - that needs to be WP's highest quality. I will deal with all their comments and renominate, then do it again, and again until it's what it needs to be. I was too focused on being concise. I over-combined and left out facts. I will go back to being thorough which I'm good at. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd still recommend: do one FAC before, on a limited topic. - When my friend and conductor and the group she founded wanted to do Bach's Mass in B minor, they patiently started with a few Bach cantatas which all contained one piece of the complete music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Would one section of this history be appropriate? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

History of Christianity

Hi Jenhawk777. I really am sorry for you that your efforts received such strong responses. At the same time, I'm also at a loss to understand what happened to the article. I took it off my watchlist a long time ago; I don't recall why, but maybe precisely because of all your work on it: too much to keep track.
To give some more impressions of my impressions: where are the Apostolic Age and the ante-Nicene periods? Basic periodisations, disappeared. Why 600 CE, instead of late Antiquity and Early Middle Ages? Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Periodization is both flexible and disputed right now, but I figured that, while labels and terms can be, years can't. But I have no strong objection to using them if you think it would make a difference. Please do add whatever you think is proper.

Part of the "strong responses" are my fault. I was so focused on being concise because everyone kept telling me that length would be a problem, that I over-combined and omitted too much in more than one place. Heresy for one. I sacrificed thorough for concise, so I am now going back to thorough.

But not all the comments were accurate in my view. Answers to some of their questions were in the text that followed what they asked about. They skimmed and felt that was sufficient, and it wasn't. I have added a section on women because the comment there was off-base. The comment on typos and grammar was incorrect. I use Grammarly to check my work before publishing so unless the App doesn't work the comment is wrong.

Part of the problem is that individual "experts" want their area to be fully covered, and in a big article like this one, the broad view has to be taken - meaning that everything gets discussed in less detail. What to include detail on and what not to are part of what I have struggled with. What seems less important to a non-expert remains important to an expert.

But they gave me no chance to respond. It failed in about 6 hours without anyone actually reviewing it. That didn't seem right to me.

I am not giving up. I am addressing every comment, and if you feel like doing any more, please do. I reverted some of what you added on Judaism and the Bible because we need to keep the content narrowly focused on topic, but otherwise the additions are good. They add length of course, but at this point, I don't care.

I so appreciate you caring and trying to help. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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