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Criticism and controversy

Nu metal has often been criticized by people who have been familiar with old school heavy metal and heavy metal subgenres. It has been referred to as not "true" metal and the genre had controversies and fighting over the genre being heavy metal or not. While Korn are the pioneers of the nu metal genre, here is what they had to say: "I remember when were coming out we were fighting being called a metal band because we weren't a metal band, we were something that wasn't classifiable," Davis says. "Then they came up with 'nu-metal' but that's still cheesy. It's frustrating."

why thrash metal and hardcore punk cannot be added to stylistic origins ???

if the fragments from the article are like this:

"Bands associated with nu metal derive influence from a variety of diverse styles, including electronic music, funk, glam metal, gothic rock, grunge, hardcore punk, hip hop, industrial metal, jazz, post-punk and synthpop.[1][2][9][14][15] Nu metal also derives influences from multiple sub-genres of heavy metal including rap metal, funk metal, alternative metal and thrash metal.[1][2][9]" and

"By the latter 90s, nu metal bands were playing a combination of thrash metal, hip hop, industrial, hardcore punk and grunge.[1]"

so why it cannot be added?? i want to know, if there are sources used (look at numbered sources 1, 2 and 9 (at the article, not talk page), so it must be added. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 09:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC) nu metal is influenced by groove metal aka post thrash metal, and that already covers the thrash metal/hardcore influence in nu metal therefor there's no reason to add thrash metal or hardcore to stylistic origins — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talk • contribs) 11:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

You are correct in saying that there are sources which support the inclusion of hardcore punk. This was changed by the following user: [1] and I do not know why. Munci (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, But you forget about thrash metal. The source numbered 1 (from Allmusic, at article)and 2, 9 also names it as influence --82.139.5.13 (talk) 12:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah sure add it if you want. Munci (talk) 07:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Gold Cobra and 2010s nu metal

After Limp Bizkit just declared they are over on NME it uses this quote: "Last December, Limp Bizkit said goodbye to their old record label, Interscope, following poor album sales from their last LP Gold Cobra". This is contentious with the text in the 2010s history section: "Gold Cobra, was a commercial success, selling 63,000 copies in the United States and peaking at number 16 on the Billboard 200 and the album has received mostly positive reviews. [2] Jonjonjohny (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Nu metal being metal?

Im not here to complain or something, but I was wondering why nu metal is included in the all the metal stuff when the popular opinion from most metal and non-metal fans is that it isnt metal? I mean in the same way that the dubstep article makes the distinction between dubstep and brostep and because the nu metal bands themselves even disagree on calling themselves metal. 92.7.85.226 (talk) 02:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Because it's a subgenre of Metal. I know a lot of people who also say it's metal. --UltimateLegend (talk) 05:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Well if you can specifically find reliable (not user generated sites and forums like metal archives) sources saying nu metal isn't metal, then you can include it on this article or wherever you want to, but i doubt you'll find any. The opinion that nu metal isn't metal is just an opinion. The majority of reliable sources agree that it's a sub-genre of metal.

It is a subgenre of heavy metal. It may not be as 'heavy' as traditional heavy metal or thrash metal, but it is still metal. Portillo (talk) 20:34, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

That doesn't make it metal. It's called a subgenre because it fused it with other music like grunge/rap and for having a major effect on the metal scene. It says in the article that it's a fusion genre. Although if you look at the criticism section, it does talk about its dispute over being metal or not. It's not metal. It's somewhat metal. Just a little. It's somewhat grunge and rap (unless the band uses turntables and rapping and are funky, I'll call it rap, mostly rap rock). Because it fuses it with other music, so mathematically it isn't metal. Like how you mix blue and yellow together, you get green, but green isn't blue or yellow. It's half of both. Doesn't mean I'll change the article denying it's credit as metal. But that's why I believe it isn't metal. Doesn't mean I dislike it. I think it can be good. BlastBeat4 (talk) 00:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

well that's your opinion, but you need actual sources specifically saying its not metal, and they have to be by professional journalists, not some third rate metal website, which is the case most of the time regrading this issue. and none of the sources in the criticism section are really reliable, since they were added by a banned sock puppet user inforcing his personal bias regrading this genre. And in the end nu metal isn't really an actual genre, it's just a made up term created by the media and angry metalheads, it's all just Alternative metal, and if alternative metal isn't metal then bands like Tool, Faith No More. Alice in Chains and Helmet (some of which are on the metal archives) aren't metal either — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talk • contribs)

The fact that a banned user added the sources doesn't mean that the sources themselves are unreliable. – Richard BB 09:05, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I havent read any books on the history of metal, but I assume many of them include the alternative/nu metal scene as a part of the history. I think many people simply dont like nu metal and therefore dont like including it as a part of heavy metal. Portillo (talk) 03:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, Thrash Metal is a combination of Hardcore Punk and the NWOBHM and that's still considered metal. UltimateLegend (talk) 04:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Well if you look at the list of Nu Metal bands, it basically includes every alternative metal group that came out in the 90's. Unfortunately all that is required for listing under a wiki article is that some complete moron have a job that allows them to publish their opinion (erroneous or not) in the public domain and that apparently makes it fact, regardless of industry standards. So personally I consider this whole article to be a joke, and take it with a grain of salt. Any true metal fan that is getting their info from wiki will either already know the difference or if they are new to the genre, will soon find out through mingling with others in the know. Good way to spot the Wiki Masters stalking through the crowds. Be kind to them though, educate rather than immolate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Livingston7 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

women in nu metal

"Nu metal is noted for participation of women in the genre in contrast to other metal genres," it currently says under "Characteristics." I don't think that's an accurate reading of the linked Billboard article or of reality. The existence of a few female bands that can be categorized as nu metal doesn't make this genre any less male dominated than "other metal genres." It's at least as much, if not moreso. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.111.67 (talk) 22:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Nu metal was/is just as much a sausage fest as any other metal genre save maybe symphonic/gothic metal. I say that line should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.220.97 (talk) 01:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Images

This article now has only three photos. This seems like some photos could be added. WP:Image use policy states that "Images on Wikipedia should be used in an encyclopedic manner. They should be relevant and increase readers' understanding of the subject matter. In general, images should depict the concepts described in the text of the article." I added photos which illustrate nu metal and bands that influenced nu metal. I don't see why adding pics is called spamming. Photos add to the reader's experience.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 01:43, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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