User talk:Beyond My Ken

It is The Reader that we should consider on each and every edit we make to Wikipedia.

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MOS is not mandatory
(see User:Ritchie333/MOS for Dummies)

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Articles that need serious visual work

• Degenerate art - a mess
• Lock Haven, Pennsylvania - because it's an FA, no one is allowed to improve it by the article owner, Finetooth
• Footlight Parade - not really shitty, but needs cleanup
• Black Sea - a mess
• Nazi salute - postage stamps
• Hôtel de Sully -- gallery is a mess

Reminder: to work on

• Flapper - review for writing, order
• A Matter of Life and Death
• Yiddish Theatre District
• This Is Not A Theatre Company
• Hollywood blacklist - re: The Front
• Seven Summits - badly organized
• The Leatherman - copyedit
• Singin' in the Rain - add from Comden & Green intro to script when it's unburied
• Irvington Historic District (Irvington, New York) - further research and expand into sep article, if possible
• Train graveyard - lots of material out there to expand this
• Rise Above Movement - convert from redirect into article
• Merge: Downtown, City centre and town centre
• "Soy boy" - Alt-right conspiracy theory re: soy beans turning men into wimps (see Salon article)

Sockmaster Turkspasha

• Turkspasha (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
  

Thank you for taking notice. Its CU blocked sockmaster Turkspasha again. I've already requested another rangeblock. His IPs always geolocate to Taylor, Michigan; obsessed with Azerifying/Turkifying topics related to Iran. He's at it since 2015. Just to let you know. Take care, - LouisAragon (talk) 18:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for picking up the IP stuff that I missed. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Night at the Opera balcony.jpg

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A Night at the Opera screenshots

Just wanted to let you know about Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 October 4#A Night at the Opera screenshots. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Emmet Building

I see you took a great photo of the building back in 2011. The Patch says it's in Murray Hill and your description says Rose Hill. I tried to sort it out but it seems, at least based on our boundary descriptions, that the areas overlap? Anyway, I just wanted to give you a heads up. If you'd rather write up the article yourself from scratch or using the bit I started please have at it. Take care. FloridaArmy (talk) 03:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• @FlordiaArmy: - The AIA Guide to New York City lists the building as being in Rose Hill, but Rose Hill is not a neighborhood name that is used very frequently. However, the description of Murray Hill as going down to 27th Street is almost certainly an overreach by the Murray Hill Neighborhood Association. I would agree with the NYCLPC that Murray Hill starts at about 34th Street, a delineation which the Encyclopedia of New York City agrees with. Given that, I wouldn't use Murray Hill in your draft article - I think your choices are Rose Hall or NOMAD. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• The NYCLPC Designation Report at http://s-media.nyc.gov/agencies/lpc/lp/2603.pdf does not place it in a specific neighborhood, but does say that it is in what was "the warehouse district north of Madison Square Park", which to me makes "NoMAD" the best choice. If I have a few moments tomorrow, I'll try to supplement your draft with some additional references. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

• @FloridaArmy: Correcting typo in original ping. See my talk page for my comments. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

The return of the surrealist sock

[1]. Give me a minute to open an ANI thread. EEng 02:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, this is disappointing. Given the title I was hoping for someone who had replaced the article on general relativity with a picture of iguanas playing the harmonica. But it's just somebody messing about with articles on surrealist techniques. Oh well. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Boris. I had visions of a melting sock hanging from a table. Oh wait after 5 years wear that is what mine lookike :-) Cheers to all. MarnetteD|Talk 02:50, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

That would be a surreal sock. Jeesh. You bunch probably get historic and historical mixed up too. EEng 05:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Nonsense. "Historic" is like when the Titantic sank, and "historical" is how I feel when I get my Visa bill. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Sort of Dali crossed with Jefferson Airplane. Thanks for keeping on top of this guy. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's even better. (Brag: I've taken group lessons with Jack Casady twice; in a previous Wiki-life I started his article. And I've have had conversations with three members of the classic Airplane lineup.) Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Color me impressed: I was a big Airplane (and Hot Tuna) fan back in the day. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Back in the day? More like back in the Holocene. EEng 00:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I'll have you know we're still in the Holocene, young man. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Does anyone remember the "concept" artist a few years ago who added hundreds of great photos of beaches and other scenic spots, and every one had his buttocks somewhere in the image? He was pretty tenacious. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

He was pretty butt-hurt when he got banned. EEng 05:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

wiki-spank? rags (talk) 07:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

"best known for" IP

I could be wrong, but could Special:Contributions/46.208.236.155 be the "best known for" IP? This is a change also made by the "best known for" IP in May 2017; this of course removes the IP's least favourite phrase. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I think that if you disagree with my edits, you should try talking to me about them instead of taking to someone else about me to make wild accusations. That's an amazingly unpleasant route to take and a huge failure to assume good faith. 46.208.236.155 (talk) 07:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Curious that you knew to look and who I was talking about, ain't it? Pinkbeast (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pinkbeast: Sorry not to respond earlier -- I'm busy in RL. I just wanted to point out that I'm not an admin ("Never have been, never will be."^TM) so there's nothing I can directly do about this IP. I would contact @Kuru:, who seems to have some expertise in this LTA's behavior. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:39, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I fear I have a bit set that says you are an admin. I'll try and forget that. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Avenue reverts

Per WP:CAP, obvious details aren’t needed in captions; it is obvious for example in the image on the seventh avenue article that the image is of seventh avenue. IWI (chat) 08:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I disagree. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Please see your talk page, and, per WP:BRD, do not restore the disputed edits until you have a consensus to do so. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed topic ban for StreetSign moved to ANI

Since you're a participant, this is to notify you I've moved the discussion to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed topic ban for StreetSign (moved from AN).—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 04:52, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Beyond My Ken, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

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Reversion of inclusion to cult of personality list.

Hi. Could I trouble you to take part in the discussion regarding this article at npov notice board. I understand your point and would appreciate more detailed input from you. Thank you. Edaham (talk) 04:51, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I see on the talk page that you have requested the subject be moved back to the talk page. Would you recommend an rfc? Edaham (talk) 04:53, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Edaham: Yes, considering the controversial nature of the subject matter, I think an RfC on the talk page would be best. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

thank you. Would it be proper to mention the existence of the npov noticeboard discussion as my own comment on the rfc (not as part of the brief summary) Edaham (talk) 06:11, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Holocaust denial

BRD is an essay, don't edit war, WP:ROWN, yadda yadda. VQuakr (talk) 05:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

BRD is as close to policy as an essay can be, while ROWN, another essay, (which I've actually never heard of, despite 13 years of editing) is pretty darn obscure. Re: edit warring - guilty as charged. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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Trick or Treat!!!	Happy Halloween!
	Why are demons and ghouls always together? Because demons are a ghoul's best friend. What happens when you goose a ghost? You get a hand full of sheet. Atsme✍🏻📧 01:06, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

On

it. Simon Adler (talk) 22:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. See Talk:Holocaust denial. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Death of Adolf Hitler

Regarding this, may I ask you to expand a bit more on why it's not redundant? The way I see it, Hitler having been a german politician is easily inferred from his having been the leader of the nazi party, german chancellor and the Führer of nazi germany. But then you've been dealing with articles on nazism longer than I have. Best, OneShot010 (talk) 13:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, I think I've got why. OneShot010 (talk) 17:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

OK no problem. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Steven Anderson

Hello, You say "redirects do not get categories". Source? It is a common practice I see a lot. Under your way of doing things, if someone views, for example, Category:Anti–LGBT rights organizations in the United States, they'll see "Steven L. Anderson" listed, rather than "Faithful Word Baptist Church". That is confusing and inappropriate. Citizen Canine (talk) 11:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

See WP:Categorizing redirects. In this case I think you may be right, so I'm going to self-revert. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:28, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

A note of goodwill. I monitor/watchlist many articles, and sometimes I disagree with your layout methods after article review. Some of your stances regarding article layout come across to me as a bit unconventional, but know that I respect that you are fully entitled to your own viewpoints. It's unlikely I will change your mind regarding MOS layout matters, so enjoy the strawberries. North America1000 12:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: Thank you very much, your comment is really appreciated, and I apologize for any animosity I may have shown in our recent interactions. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:39, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

"We"

An excellent question. But first person plural, technically. 28bytes (talk) 23:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Yikes! I'll change that. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:10, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Misunderstanding regarding Downtown article

I believe you're misunderstanding something integral here: "city centre" DOES NOT redirect to Downtown, it has its own article. I'm not sure whether this was the reason why you reverted but the above is something you must ensure to me you understand. IWI (chat) 00:36, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

File on commons

Hi BMK! I noticed at Fort De Soto Park a couple of people in the early stages of an edit-war on a file you had uploaded, "File:2018 Fort De Soto - American white ibis.jpg." The issue is that the file is named as if it were an American white ibis, while the picture is of a great egret (probably an Eastern great egret. I removed it from Fort DeSoto for now, and added text to the file. I did not however, request renaming it. I thought you would want to have a look at it. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 17:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've renamed it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Reducing the portrait sizes of other controversial figures of history

Do you also plan on reducing the portrait sizes of all others who have committed atrocities in history besides Nazi officials? Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Leopold II, Soviet officials behind the Holodomor and gulags, Ottoman officials behind the Armenian Genocide, members of European governments that waged colonial wars, all slaveowners, Confederates, members of Mao's regime, Nationalist Chinese, Tsarist Russians, Imperialist Japanese, Taliban, Caribbean Pirates, Vikings etc. You know, the usual suspects. Either they're all okay, or none of them are okay. Aren't all these organizations/figures/regimes are just as destructive as the Nazis? Some of them have resulted in an even more massive loss of human lives than Nazism. Some of these ideologies are arguably even more influential than Nazism at present correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meeepmep (talk • contribs) 19:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I plan on making every Wikipedia article I edit better, as I always do. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring noticeboard

I agree with your comments, but unfortunately long edit warring noticeboard discussions tend to get bypassed as "tl;dr". Perhaps another trip to ANI is warranted. Coretheapple (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Editing my user page

Why did you do that? Why did you think that's acceptable? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Because it's not appropriate to have a list of things you want to own on your Wikipedia user page -- which is not yours, by the way, there are rules about what you are allowed to do with it; it's an obvious solicitation for paid editing. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

It is no such thing. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

As you've already shown, your judgment on this issue is -- how shall I put it? -- piss poor. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Insults aside, you're just flat wrong and the fact that you think you know better than I do what the contents are of my own mind is pretty shocking. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:23, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

It is often the case that others are more aware of the meaning of our behavior then we are, as we sometimes hide from ourselves our motivation for what we do -- no person is completely transparent to themselves. In any event, as Jytdog points out, your user page is not your personal weblog and Wikipedia is not a web hosting site, and your wishlist should not be on it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, well I'm done with explaining to you how you're wrong. Just take my word for it. I would be interested in knowing how you think I have "contempt" for the Wikipedia after committing thousands of hours of free labor to it for 15 years, donating my money, promoting it elsewhere, etc. What you construe as "contempt" is frankly unintelligible to me and I'd like to know what you think I could do to show that I do not in fact feel that Wikipedia and its community are of little or no value. In fact, Wikipedia and the WMF projects are my life's work: it's my legacy to others across the world and for future generations and is my attempt to work with others to make a whole greater than the parts. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite certain that my concerns about you and your editing are "unintelligible" to you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, you've made it clear that you refuse to extend good faith or basic civility. My question stands if you care to answer it (preferably with civility). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Give me a buzz when you know yourself a bit better, until then, this discussion is over. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Holmes

Pls join the ongoing chat about the new addition....and yes restore would be best Talk:H. H. Holmes#Moxy's edits.--Moxy (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'm a bit busy at the moment, but will certainly participate v. soon. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Question about arb stuff

When the election gets underway, will we be able to easily refer back to the Questions and read their answers so it's fresh on our minds? I lose track of AN/ANI, AE, ARB cases after they're logged, and it may be that I simply haven't found the shortcut to finding them again, if there is one. I have shortcut/perm urls pasted everywhere but sometimes they're harder to find than the logs! Any tips? ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 00:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Beyond My Ken,

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MTA Bridges and Tunnels

• MTA Bridges and Tunnels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Your edit summary mentioned a slow edit war. I've now blocked a /64 range for one week and hope it does something. If the block ought to be longer, let me know. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 21:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

• @EdJohnston: Thanks, I'm pleasantly surprised, since I didn't think anything would come of that comment. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

17-NOV-2018 proposal

Since you've contributed to the Alt-right article in the past, I was hoping you might be able to take a look at a COI edit request I received from Jack Donovan who is requesting to have the labels white nationalist and gay removed from his description in the article. I made a counterproposal to his request 9 days ago but my pings to editors for their input have gone unanswered and the proposal has stalled. Because of the restrictions on the page I'd like to get an idea of what other editors think about them before making changes (or not making them, based on input). Thanks in advance for any time you can spare on this.  Spintendo  17:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to take a look at it later today. I'm recovering from a vacation <g> Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually you can disregard, there are questions about the editor who is making the request and whether or not they are the actual Jack Donovan. Apparently, the real Donovan has communicated with Wikipedia before, but used a different account (I'll call that one the 1st account) than the one they are using now (the 2nd account). Since this 2nd account is requesting that we change how the subject is described (bisexual versus gay) they would need to go through something like OTRS before I would grant that change and I think you would agree. So I'm just going to leave the article the way it is for now. But thank you for your offer of help it's much appreciated - and enjoy the rest of your vacation!  Spintendo  18:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree per your description, we'd need OTRS validation before any action is taken. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

really?

I suppose I can't stop you from putting on your spidey-suit if you insist on it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

No matter what you may think, I'm actually looking for a community-based solution to the problem that PEACOCKery is being confused with legitimate cited information, and a guideline (not even a policy) is being used to suppress it. If you think that's climbing the Recihstag, that's your prerogative; I think of it as protecting the integrity of the encyclopedia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:16, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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You have recently shown interest in the English Wikipedia Manual of Style and article titles policy. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect: any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or any page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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