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What is the best way to have a photographer donate material to Wikimedia?

From time to time I work on articles about the band Pink Floyd (its members, studio musicians, touring musicians, production folks). From time to time I also see photographs removed from articles in these subject areas. I've usually found ways to reach out to the photographers and to sort out having these restored. This was the case recently with this file: that said, I'm not sure I'm going about this the most efficient way. If I know a photographer that is willing to donate files/photography of any of these subjects, and they are not familiar with Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, what is the simplest, most efficient way for me to ask them to submit their work? Is there an email where they can just send a set of pictures they are willing to donate and a type of license they can specify that will cover that they are donating the picture for public use (I know there are variations, I mean whatever the simplest one might be for them to let the work be used publicly)?

Your feedback is appreciated. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother The page that David linked to is quite wordy. But please note the big blue 'Interactive release Generator' button. That links to this tool which guides an image owner, step-by-step, through releasing an image for re-use here, and for generating an email they can attach their image to. So you could give them that simple link separately.

The one thing it doesn't point out (which you can tell them) is that we really don't need to have the highest resolution images, so only upload a file of a size they're comfortable with making available. Oh, and please thank them for us! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph and Nick Moyes, thank you very much for your help. It is appreciated.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 14:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

My first entry. Could someone please take a look?

Hello Wikipedians! I am a newbie and have drafted my first entry. I don't know if this is the proper way to get started, but could I ask if someone could take a look at my sandbox draft and tell me what I need to do to take it live? It is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wormpicker62/sandbox

Many thanks! Wormpicker62 (talk) 23:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Wormpicker62

Hi, Wormpicker62, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'd like to start with the positives but then address one thing that may keep this from being accepted at Articles for Creation (AfC) in its current state. The quality of the prose is quite fantastic. There are a couple trivial formatting issues insofar as the section 'L. Andrew Staehelin' should just be the lead section without any header and inline references should come after puncutation, but the formatting is otherwise excellent both in the main prose and in the references. Wikilinks are very well-utilized. In my opinion, it does not go into extraneous detail, and it is not written in a promotional tone – I would consider it to be of the perfect length. That said, the underlying issue with the article in its current state is that it relies almost exclusively on primary sources. Inclusion of a biography like this would be determined based on three standards: the general notability guideline, the biography notability criteria, and the academic notability criteria. I'll ping David notMD, who would have a better grasp on the last one, but the first two require substantial information published about the subject in reliable, independent sources, which this draft does not demonstrate exist. Were it to pass on academic criteria, it would still be highly preferable to have more reliable, independent citations, as per our policy on primary sources, we're not supposed to "base an entire article on primary sources", and we should "be cautious about basing large passages on them." Hope this helped! I'm sure DnMD will be able to give you a more comprehensive answer about academic notability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your kind and encouraging words and thoughtful advice, ! TheTechnician27! I hope I'm formatting this reply correctly. I will work on getting more secondary independent sources for citations. I'd be grateful if you would continue to follow my progress. Thanks again. Wormpicker62 (talk) 01:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Wormpicker62

Simply put, referencing a few of his journal articles will give sense of his research focus, but contributes nothing toward establishing is notability. Essential to add references to content that is about him but has no connection to him, as in other than from the university he worked for. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

If you can find someone else writing about the contributions his work made to the general field, it would definitely help. This can be hard, even for subjects who have changed the course of scientific history, because their colleagues tend to look forwards, rather than write about the past. That's why the notability criteria for academics are a bit flexible. Some of his awards, fellowships and memberships will help. Was he by any chance chief editor of a major journal at any time? If so, put this in; it's another thing that counts towards notability of academics. Elemimele (talk) 11:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Need feedback on creating a new page for an organization

I'm a novice Wikepedia contributor and need some help and feedback on creating a new page for a non-profit organization. The draft is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Society_to_Improve_Diagnosis_in_Medicine

I had tried to create a page for this group last year but it was rejected (too much 'advertising', no references). The current version hopefully addresses the problems that were identified with the first version. I no longer have any official ties to this organization but I have a big COI as its founder, which I have clearly stated on my user page. Not sure how to indicate the COI on the draft? Also not sure if drafts like this automatically get reviewed or how one designates them for review. Thanks for any advice !

Mark Graber MLGraber (talk) 23:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MLGraber. Your draft is nowhere near ready to be submitted. Convert your references to the inline format, which you can learn by reading Referencing for beginners. You should also read Your first article. Then, submit the draft to Articles for creation. Cullen328 (talk) 23:45, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Admittedly not having looked at the "page for the organization," may I suggest another possible issue. Wikipedia does not have "pages for organizations"; it might have an article about an organization. Such an article would be written independently of that organization (and preferably by people who have not connection to the organization), based on other things that have been reliably published, independently of that organization, and the article might or might not be to the organization's liking. The place for a "page for an organization" might be the organization's own website, or (maybe) LinkedIn or (I'm loathe to say it because I despise it and its founder) Facebook. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Mikemorrell49 (talk)Hi MLGraber, as a relative newbie here (who initiated a Wiki page for an organization that I was associated with), I just want to add my perspective to MLGraber's comment. He's absolutely right! But I also accept that the initiative to create a Wiki page about an organization is sometimes taken by someone who is associated with the organization. In the sense that they believe that the organization is 'notable' to the wider community in some way. The first step is to research the actual 'notability' by finding out which reliable and independent sources demonstrate that the organization is sufficiently 'notable' in the wider community. The actual 'notability' (the attention paid by independent media and other sources) might be far less than the organization imagines! A second point is to include references to these reliable and independent sources in any Wikipedia article. A third point is to describe the organization in neutral terms, based soley on the content of the referenced reliable, independent sources. A fourth point is (on the article's 'talk page') to openly declare any 'conflict of interest' you might have through an association with this organization and any steps you have taken to mitigate the effects of this possible conflict. In my case, I deliberately invited 3 independent Wikipedians (and my Wikipedia coach) to review my 'Draft Page' before submitting it for publication. The submitted version was very different from my 'Draft' version

One of the main concerns for new Wikipedia pages about organizations is that they may be 'promotional'. I suggest spending some time learning about the purpose of Wikipedia and how this translates into criteria for Wikipedia pages. As a complete newbie, it took me a while to learn about Wikipedia and how to add valuable pages (for the community) while respecting the purpose of and guidelines for Wikipedia pages. Mikemorrell49 (talk) 12:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Mathematics/Mathematica

 105.112.208.158 (talk) 04:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! Do you have a question about Mathematica or Mathematics? GoingBatty (talk) 04:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Merging sections ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure! I had an article published in 1989 in Engineering Design Graphics Journal, and a Correction by them on the Internet last year. Maybe I should have tried for a mathematical journal instead (but it was not very difficult math). Now, I'm trying to get some feedback on it, and possibly someone else on Wiki- to write up a summary. [They don't like me doing it: a) original work objection, b) lack of knowledge of Wiki-'style' c) impatience with ... some others. Njd-de Quantliing

Whoops! I forgot to ask a question. If anyone at Wolfram would read the article, I'd like to know if the results were published before 1989. [I'm trying to remember the guy Wolfram that handled the late Rev. Wenninger's SIG many years ago, but you may be in a different location.] TEST: LemchastainLemchastain (talk) 23:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

&LemI19 -- Dear GoingBatty, It is hoped that you didn't get to the above Whoops! yet; because it seems to have been a double: I also neglected to tell you where to look. Here: http://edgj.org/index.php/EDGJ/issue/view/237 The click on Spring issue box in lower left. GoingBatty Lemchastain Lemchastain (talk) 04:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lemchastain: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia's encyclopedia articles are written about topics that significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. It seems the correct URL is http://edgj.org/index.php/EDGJ/issue/view/237 If you have more sources on the topic, you might find someone interested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 04:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear GoingBatty, Thank you. You are so right. I copied the address from one in which I had left out ".org". I'm going to correct the above error; although that is redundant, given your correcting comment. Now if it will just be left alone in the 'further reading' for "Axonometric Projection" Goingbatty Lemchastain (talk) 04:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lemchastain: Oh, you're trying to add this source to the Axonometric projection article. On Wikipedia, we sign our posts on talk pages, but NOT when we're editing articles. Since you've added the source twice to the article and been reverted twice, please do not readd it. Continue your discussion on Talk:Axonometric projection to build consensus.

Also, please note that Wikipedia usernames are case sensitive, so "Goingbatty" is not "GoingBatty". Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear GoingBatty, I don't know what was wrong with the last attempt; unless it was me trying to change an'l' to an 'L'. I don't know where removal reasons are given, and can't get to that double-sided page when I want to. The last time when there were supposed to be reasons for a removal, I could not find them on that scree -- however, I managed to get there. At this point, the only hope is that someone else sees the above link, and decides to add it correctly. GoingBatty DVdm Lemchastain (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lemchastain: Go to the Axonometric projection article and click the "View history" tab, and you can see each edit along with the edit summary, which contains the removal reasons. In this edit, your edits were removed with the summary "rv -- improper signed refspam". "rv" means "reverted", "signed" refers to the fact that you incorrectly added your signature to the article, and "refspam" refers to WP:REFSPAM, adding citations to your own work. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, Talk:Axonometric projection is the place to discuss the merits of adding those citations to the article. I don't know what a "double-sided page" is. GoingBatty (talk) 16:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Ken Penders

How do I change the name I'm listed on in my Wikipedia page, which has me listed as Kenneth Penders Jr, a name which is not on my birth certificate, Honorable Discharge from the US Air Force (January 6, 1976 - December 14, 1979) or any other official document I need to present. For the record, my full legal name is Kenneth Walter Penders II, but I've signed my name professionally as Ken Penders since September 1986 when I turned in my first professional comic book illustration assignment to then-DC Comics editor Robert Greenberger when he assigned me 6 pages of work that was published in WHO'S WHO IN Star Trek issue 1. There are other changes / additions that could be made, but let's start with that first as you verify my identity. I also have a Twitter page under Ken Penders and in the process of relaunching my kenpenders.com website.

KenPenders (talk) 07:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: The article is Ken Penders. The references use "Ken Penders," so not clear where the unreferenced "Kenneth Penders Jr." came from. David notMD (talk) 08:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

KenPenders I changed bolded first use of his name back to "Ken Penders", as the change to "Kenneth Penders Jr." was done in August 2021 with no reference to confirm. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Rejection question

Please let me know the exact reason of my article getting rejected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Waman_Balaji_Desai 103.199.176.64 (talk) 10:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Waman Balaji Desai has no sources, independent sources are what we base articles on. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Theroadislong (talk) 11:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Also, the draft is not written in an encyclopaedic tone: sentences like When one hears the word prisoner, his forehead is covered with tears, people look at him with contempt, look at him, spit on him, despise him, no one stands near him, despise him near one another, beat him and do not give him good food. They get a lot of work done from them, they give him a lot of trouble would be appropriate in a personal memoir, but are completely out of place in an encyclopaedia article. Please see WP:NPOV. --ColinFine (talk) 11:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

One more point: the draft was not rejected, but declined, meaning that the reviewer thought that it was possible it could be made into an acceptable article. However, it needs a vast amount of work, and in my opinion it would be better to start from the beginning again, by finding the independent reliable sources that are required, and writing based only on what those sources say. See your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hi, I need some userboxes for my user page. Can anyone give me some? Thanks. Troyol (talk) 12:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

For information about userboxes, see WP:Userboxes. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

How do I include Wikidata in a Draft Wikipedia article?

Hi, I've just created a draft Wikipedia page and a Wikidata entry (for a prize-winning Nigerian 'visual artist'). I've read the [page on linking Wikipedia pages with Wikidata] but the advice (underneath) doesn't seem to work:

From a Wikipedia page, you can go to the link "Wikidata item", using "Tools" in the side panel (in the left), to see and edit it. Also in Tools, there is another link to "page information", where is "Wikidata item ID", that contains the QID (for example: Q171 or "None").

1. I see no link "Wikidata item", and 2. I see no Wikidata item ID in the Wikipedia page information.

Could this be because the page is still Draft and not yet submitted for review? Or my editing permissions?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Mike Mikemorrell49 (talk) 12:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mikemorrell49, Welcome to the Teahouse! You are unable to link the page to the Wikidata item because it is still in a draft. Until accepted and moved to the mainspace, you cannot link it to the Wikidata item. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 12:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain❄ Many thanks for your help and responding so quickly! §Mikemorrell49 — Preceding undated comment added 12:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Professional editors please check.

Hello to all professional editors of Wikipedia. According to the problems that existed in the resources and the studies performed and the collection of resources were re-edited. I hope it is acceptable. I am waiting for the opinion of the wiki professionals. Draft:Zahra_Meygoli Thanks. --Karestoonegoli (talk) 12:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC) Karestoonegoli (talk) 12:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Karestoonegoli! We may sound like a broken record at this point, but the article currently lacks enough reliable, high-quality sources to prove its notability. The sources currently there, such as IMDb, Twitter, and Radio Times, fall into one of these categories:

• The source is primary, and comes from Meygoli herself or others that are related or have worked with her (Twitter, SoundCloud)
• The source is a trivial or passing mention, which in itself doesn't declare a subject notable (Radio Times)
• The source is low quality or lack credibility, or have other reasons for not being a reliable source (IMDb)

Panini!^🥪 13:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Panini! Unfortunately, according to the statistics and conversations that took place from various sources, they said that according to the new policies, they could not talk to the newspapers, and it has become a bit difficult now, if I delete the sources you mentioned, they can not be published again? Please help me submit my first article. Thanks to the friends of the professional Wikipedia editor. --Karestoonegoli (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

The recommendation would be that you avoid professional Wikipedia editors. Paid editing needs to be declared, and paid editors often fail to deliver what they've been paid to do. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

My reading of your words "professional editors" is that you intended it as an honorific, as in "experienced editors" or "esteemed editors." In the context of Wikipedia, "professional editors" is interpreted as people who ask for payment to editor for others. This is not forbidden, but there is bad history and abuse. Basically, editors are volunteers. David notMD (talk) 15:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Start by removing all "references" that are not reliable sources. Then, remove all content that cannot be supported by reliable source references. Then, convert remaining references from URLs to valid format. Then, on your User page, explain your personal connection to Meygoli. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Karestoonegoli, welcome to the Teahouse! While we cannot help you if there is this sort of lack of sources' problem in Iran, you can discuss the issue at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Perhaps they can guide you (or help in WP policies, if it's for all other notable people as well there) better on this. Regards. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 18:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Lightbluerain Hi, I deleted all the necessary changes and links that are not valid.

Please help if possible and let me edit it again. Thank you in advance for your help. I am really confused by all this complexity and I am very happy to help me in this way so that I can be the best in the future. Thank You--Karestoonegoli (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Is linking to a photographer's website with relevant photos legitimate?

A well known photographer took pictures of the subject I am working on in 1950. That fact that he had been hired to take these pictures was a point of interest that I believe legitimately deserves to be included in the article, along with the cite to the magazine where they were published. There is also a website that sells his photos or the right to use them, and the photos of interest can be found there. Would including that URL be reasonable as a reference or is that a workaround to the basic principle of how we share media. Fothergilla (talk) 13:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Fothergilla: It depends. A straightforward commercial site would probably be seen as spam, but if there is an archive of this person‘s work for information purposes, that could be a potential external link. You can always start a discussion on the relevant article’s talk page and see what others think. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Training

Hi All, is there a Wikipedia training - like a Wikipedia University ... some online courses on editing here? 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 14:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: Welcome atom! To answer your question, yes there is. Take a look at The Wikipedia Adventure which I just linked for you. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, the blanket answer is “no” there isn’t an “officially approved online training source/academy” that I am aware of, Whilst there are some websites and YouTube channels that attempt to do so, you best bet is to see WP:ADVENTURE and WP:TUTORIAL and keep asking us questions here as much as you like, & we would keep on answering and guiding you throughout your editing journey. Celestina007 (talk) 17:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Declined Submission

why is my article submission got declined ?? .the source of the article is produced on that(it was in indian language malayalam-official language of state kerala.so official site,school wiki project held by education department was designed in malayalam.i only translated that government document.the link provided was a strong proof and related to government policy(but sadly not in english language).so if you cant recognize indian language please refer to multi language expert who know malayalam.is there any wikipedia policy says indian languages should not allowed?.kindly understant what iam trying to tell. thankyou Wikiking666 (talk) 15:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft:National Higher Secondary School Vattoli. David notMD (talk) 15:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikiking666: It is sometimes more difficult to evaluate sources in an unfamiliar language, but sources in languages other than English are fine to use. However, the same requirements apply, whether the source is in English, Malayalam, or any other language: to be accepted, the draft needs to have reliable sources that are independent of the subject – and crowdsourced websites such as wikis are never considered reliable. schoolwiki.in can't be used as a source for this reason. (It looks like a really good resource for schools, per the information here, but that is not the same as being a good source for Wikipedia's purposes.) --bonadea contributions talk 15:42, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikiking666 the document proves that the school exists, but it doesn't prove that it should have an article. Not every person, business or school has the required Notability to warrant an article in the online encyclopedia known as Wikipedia. Reading Notability:schools may help you understand the requirements. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Is merging 3 articles possible?

I think that mermaids, mermen and merfolk should be merged because of overlap. Is this possible? Linux rules, Windows drools (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

The process for proposing a merger is at WP:Merging. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Linux rules, Windows drools, welcome to the Teahouse! All you have to do is start a discussion at the article you'd like to merge the articles to (so in this case, likely Talk:Mermaid) and then tag the other pages involved with the {{merge}}, {{merge to}} and {{merge from}} templates. Regards, --Ferien (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Linux rules, Windows drools Why not first try to add info to distinguish the difference between the three terms? I skimmed the articles yet don't get the difference between a female merfolk and mermaid. Once that is clarified, it will be easier to see how (if at all ) they might be merged. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Есть хороший писатель Оксюморонов. Инфа о нем на ЛитРес. А статьи в Википедии нет. Почему?

 2.95.189.69 (talk) 18:17, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Так как никого не писал ничего о нем, статьи нет. Мы краудсорсинг проект. Если возможно найти журналистское освещение в надежных источниках об этом писателе, кто-нибудь может написать статья. Но, вот английский проект и надо писать по-английский. Если вы не можете, проект по-русски там. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Please post your question in English, or ask at the Russian Wikipedia help desk [1] RudolfRed (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Concerns about neutrality, Oxfam, Israel, Palestine edits

I have concerns about the neutrality of a some recent edits here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxfam#Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

The edits all appear to lean towards criticism of Oxfam of their work from sources such as NGO Monitor and others that (and I'm not sure here) appear not neutral.

The edits were done from a IP address account and that is the only activity they have ever done on Wikipedia.

What would more experienced editors recommend in this situation? CT55555 (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Report them to WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement and stay away from the Israel/Palestine topic area unless you thoroughly enjoy yelling at sturdy brick walls to try and talk them into collapsing. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 19:34, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

ACORD Edits Request

Hi there! I put in an edit request for ACORD sometime before the new year. Just wanted to ensure that the suggested edits are acceptable for addition. Thank you! Morrissey35 (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Morrissey35: Looking at the history of Talk:ACORD, I see that when Spencer responded to your request in this edit, Spencer marked your request as declined by changing {{request edit}} to {{request edit|D}}. Even though you responded, your request remained declined. I suggest you remove the "|D", so your request will be enabled again. You could also try notifying Spencer of your reply by using {{ping|Spencer}} when you edit the page. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks so much! I'll remove the "|D" and ping. :) Morrissey35 (talk) 21:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Denis Alexander, 6th Earl of Caledon

I started an AfD discussion and it's quite evenly balanced at the moment. The principle behind the discussion has potentially quite wide implications for many Wikipedia articles so I wonder if an experienced admin might take a look and give a view? Essentially, Wikipedia has many articles on uk aristocratic titles. The Earl of Caledon is one. Articles typically list each historical title holder and provides plenty of biographical information. Many of the title holders mentioned are entirely un-notable as individuals, yet typically (as with Denis Alexander and other Earls of Caldon) there is separate Wikipedia article on each individual too. My view is that where an individual is not notable for any reason other than holding a title, their biographical material should be merged at the article which describes the title and the extra article should be deleted. Any thoughts either way from more experienced Wikipedian's very welcome! Emmentalist (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Emmentalist: Your deletion discussion is getting good feedback, and you should get your consensus eventually. I like the way it is now with Earl of Caledon#Line of Succession. If they are otherwise notable, they have an article, if not, they don't, unless someone can identify a policy that this title is automatically notable. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Looking for relevant RfC's and all GA reviews of the Elon Musk article.

I am looking for relevant WP:RfC's (or proof that they do not exist) and all GA reviews (According to the Article milestones there is more than one but don't know how to find the earlier reviews) to help me understand the history of the Elon Musk article so I can make better contributions to it. I would also appreciate pointers to any tools or techniques that would allow me to find them on my own without burdening the community.

I have already posted this request on the Talk page but I get the sense that I am being stonewalled and intimidated into leaving a WP:BLP violation on the most viewed BLP Wikipedia article of 2021.

If it is appropriate, I would appreciate a response on the Article talk page Annette Maon (talk) 19:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion is ongoing at that link, FYI. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Query re infobox and submitting draft

am working on a new article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dawn_After_Dark?action=edit. I have 2 questions. First, I want to insert an infobox. How should I do it? I read this article but I can't find how to do it. Secondly, I had done another question and I got this response: "To clarify, "Publish changes" means save. Once submitted to Articles for Creation (AfC) for review, can be days, weeks, up to two months before a Reviewer makes a decision. "Declined" means the reviewer thinks the topic may be article-worthy, but not good enough yet ("Rejected" is more severe)". How should I submit a new article for review? Many thanks! Noeliagarone (talk) 20:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

For information on infoboxes, see WP:Infoboxes. One of the things which you need to do before you submit the draft for review is to remove the misplaced external links from the body text; you may wish to convert some of them to references. You should also look at the unsourced paragraphs and provide reliable sources. For details of the AFC process, including how to submit for review, see WP:AFC. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Noeliagarone: Welcome to the Teahouse!

1. You could add {{Infobox musical artist}} to Draft:Dawn After Dark, and move the image inside the infobox. See Template:Infobox musical artist for more information.
2. When you're ready to submit your draft for review, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft.

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:21, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I thought that {{subst:submit}} would provide a button that allows the article to be submitted. What you are saying here is that adding {{subst:submit}} will submit the article for review. I could be wrong though... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 00:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

That is indeed what {{subst:submit}} does: it immediately submits the draft for review. If you just want the message box with the button to submit, you want to add {{AfC submission|t}} instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Want to know reason for rejection of my article

Dear Sir, I have a startup for which I was thinking Wikipedia the best platform for a page to make and be on. Please guide me on how could I be able to publish content so that it gets approved. 103.208.70.180 (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

"Startup" generally means "No sources available at this time". We are not social media, and we are worthless for SEO. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If there is ever an article about your company, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not be for the benefit of your company, except incidentally. Furthermore, it should be almost entirely based on what people unconnected with the company have chosen to publish about it, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. It follows that until several such independent people have published significant coverage of your company, no article about it is possible. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Help needed. I want to add one factual sentence to an article.

I am the author of the book, Satanic Panic (1993). I would like to add a sentence saying that I was the person who coined the term "satanic panic" to the article titled Satanic Panic. (URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic#As_a_moral_panic)I coined the term with my editor for the title of my book. The term was not used before my book was published. I would like to get credit for that, when reporters seek someone with expertise on the topic. I am a Ph.D. specialized in Sociology and I have written many social science articles on the topic. Unfortunately, I am not technically adept with my computer. Can someone help me to learn a simple way of adding that sentence and citation to my book. (My book is cited in the article, but not that I originated the term.) Thank you. Jeff Victor (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jeff Victor. I think that for this to be added, we'd need a secondary source. That's to say, the claim that your book coined the term can't be supported by the book itself, but can be supported by an independent source noting that the book coined the term. Do you know of such a source? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:21, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jeff Victor: If you had such a source, you could post on Talk:Satanic panic with the {{edit request}} template and information about the source. Or, you could use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Reprise: Someone (Rose?) told me how to remove alerts, but it didn't work. For one "Edit source" is hidden when I click on 'Alerts', and they do not respond to any attempt to backspace them away. Lemchastain (talk) 22:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

 Lemchastain (talk) 22:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lemchastain: Welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I'm aware you cannot "delete" alerts that show up through the notification system (though you are able to edit your own user talk page); most you can do is mark them as read. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear Tenryuu, I notice that here at least Wiki- puts the most recent stuff on top (i.e. 'wrong' end of the thread). Thanks for saving me from wasting more time trying to get rid of them, but are they benign? Tenryuu Lemchastain (talk) 23:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lemchastain: I am assuming you're referring to the drop-down menus you see when you click on or at the top of the page. There's more information at Wikipedia:Notification. It's pretty standard to display the most recent items first, as they're not as conversational. I'm not sure what you mean by benign, but only you can see them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Was it ARoseWolf who helped you? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 00:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

&Lem Dear Tenryuu, "benign" was a vague reference to 'Alerts' growing downward without limit, and no control over their eventually filling the universe. tenryuu Dear Pyrrho, If I could remember.... "Anyways', I guess "Rose's" note is still up in the Teahouse, but it might take a long time to find it. I didn't think of making a written note to myself about it. Pyrrho the SkipperLemchastain (talk) 03:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't recall helping this editor but I concur with @Tenryuu that you cannot "delete" alerts or notifications. I just always mark them as read myself. --ARoseWolf 13:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Will people modify my article if it's poorly written?

I found this company called AXIS BATS, and there isn't a wiki article about it. I want to create a article, but I have little writing knowledge about writing a article on the Wikipedia. If I simply write a article with low writing criteria stating it's a stub, will people try and volunteer and add more better described information? Torrent1703 (talk) 00:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Does the company satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)? (Note that such notability is independent of the integrity of the company or the quality of its products.) When you say that you "found" the company, do you mean that you came across some mention of it, or that you founded the company? -- Hoary (talk) 01:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: Torrent1703 —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

For a stub article to be approved requires valid, reliable source references. If no references exist, do not waste your time or that of a Reviewer, who will decline the draft. David notMD (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I met the guy who owned it, it was a family owned Business. I noticed it didn't have a wiki and only had it's own website. I found the place when I was sent to community service. If you want more proof that the place exist, (Redacted). Torrent1703 — Preceding undated comment added 01:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Existence is not our notability criteria, significant coverage in news outlets unconnected to the subject is. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a Discord or a gmail to chat somewhere else? This Wikipedia chatting system is very uncomfortable Torrent1703 — Preceding undated comment added 01:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Torrent1703: Unless there's something that shouldn't be made public on Wikipedia (such as sensitive information), most conversations stay on Wikipedia pages for transparency. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:50, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Dude, I am not using this stupid chatting system, it's retarded and cheap how you have to edit a article just to chat to someone. Torrent1703

There is IRC. Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help RudolfRed (talk) 01:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Torrent1703: Patience and an ability to work well with others is a good skill for editing articles. Axis Bats appears to be somewhat well known - I did a quick search and found this [2], but it'll need more sources to pass the notability threshold. You could start by adding them to List of baseball bat manufacturers, with a single reference. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, heres the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_baseball_bat_manufacturers&oldid=1066775145Torrent1703 — Preceding undated comment added 02:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I strongly disagree with your suggestion that Axis Bats be added to that listicle, and moreover, I believe most if not all of the ones that are redlinked should be removed. It's actually been substantially trimmed down from what it once was. As an example, one of the edit summaries pre-cleanup literally reads: "Added my Company to the list. Brew City Wood Bat Company. Jay Vernon, Owner". You can see what the cleaned-up article looked like here. However, immediately afterward, people clearly connected to baseball bat manufacturers started adding redlinks again; as an example, the edit immediately proceeding this cleanup added: "* [[Birdman Bats]]<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.birdmanbats.com/|title=Birdman Bats young but growing fast in reputation one swing at a time. Hear the pop. ref>< {{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watchBirdman Bats MLB|title=Birbman Bats|via=www.youtube.com}}</ref> #PutSomeWingsOnIt</ref>". I'll be agreeing with Sphilbrick's argument on the article's talk page and cleaning it up again. There's no reason we should be listing clearly non-notable bat manufacturers in "a list of notable baseball bat manufacturers", as it's solely a form of advertisement for their companies and has no encyclopedic merit. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Torrent1703: There's also Wikipedia:Discord. GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I agree that providing a company's web site at List of baseball bat manufacturers doesn't seem to demonstrate that it's a notable company. GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

TheTechnician27, thank you for making that list article very much less terrible. (But it's still terrible.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

The link I posted above was to an article about the company. They provided bats to Red Sox slugger David Ortiz, among others, and the coverage says they are well-known. That was worth a red link in my mind. It’s not a DAB page. If the consensus is to only include companies with articles as being notable, rather than those that are potential article subjects, that’s fine, but it should be in the hidden text to alert future editors. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Nadeo logo

In Nadeo the logo in the infobox is outdated. Am I allowed to change it to the current logo? (The image is already on commons) ZaiIsZai (talk) 02:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ZaiIsZai. Both versions are simple text logos and therefore are not protected by copyright. Go to the old logo's file information page at Commons and upload the new version. It will change automatically wherever it appears on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Wondrous Fair (Brisbane Band)

What should i do to get this page published? I posted the following article about my band 2 weeks ago but it won't go live - how should i change it to improve?

Courtesy: User:One23Dress/sandbox/Wondrous Fair

Wondrous Fair’s new album ‘Spirals’ will be available from May 2022

. One23Dress (talk) 03:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@One23Dress: Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI). Language such as "this unique, amazing music has returned for your listening pleasure" is not how we write encyclopedic articles. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of you, and determine whether you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

One23Dress, your overtly self-promotional draft, written in the style of an advertisement instead of in the style of an encyclopedia article, has been deleted. Any future effort must be written neutrally and be based on summarizing what independent, reliable sources say about this band, not what the band says about itself. Start by reading Wikipedia:Notability (music). Then read Your first article, and take that advice to heart. Cullen328 (talk) 03:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

No references = never accepted. David notMD (talk) 04:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a question?

 74.77.48.250 (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 04:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

A simple one I hope: how do I add names to the block E-mail section of preferences? I tried a name given, but the box turned red. after that the 'save' button was not on for a retry. (talk) Ljc 22:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia bots

According to Help:Creating a bot, I want to know how to create bots and how to handle them. Neel.arunabh (talk) 04:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC) Neel.arunabh (talk) 04:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

It seems well covered on that page. What specific question do you have about it? And what would your proposed bot do? RudolfRed (talk) 04:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Neel.arunabh: Help:Creating a bot is the best resource for creating bots. But given the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Neel.arunabh's_competence_issues, this might not be the right time to be asking permission to run bot tasks. GoingBatty (talk) 04:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I second that. Also, creating a bot without approval at Wp:BRFA would result in an immediate and indefinite block. Mako001 (C)  (T)  05:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Need category creation

Shayar (poet) article talks about a form of poetry art that has been produced in languages such as Urdu, Hindi and Persian.

The article has category for "Urdu-language poetry" but when I added the same for Persian and Hindi, it showed that such categories don't exist.[3]

I need someone to create Category:Hindi-language poetry so that I can expand this category.

I would be asking for a Persian category too but I need to research on it first.

Thanks all 27.57.163.214 (talk) 07:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

If you look at Category:Urdu-language poetry it shows that it is a member of Category:Indian poetry by language which shows that Category:Hindi poetry already exists, along with various sub-categories. Similarly Category:Poetry by nation or language shows that Category:Persian poetry exists, along with various subcategories. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Won't need category creation at this stage. 27.57.163.214 (talk) 07:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

IP addresses

I've noticed that when an IP address belongs to an institution, it has a header at the top of its talk page stating this, with some guidance or whatnot about editing. Well I have a couple questions:

1. If I wanted to check to see if an institution had one of those header things so that I might add one if it doesn't, how would I be able to find the IP address to an institution? How limited is such a search, if one exists? And how would I add a header to an IP talk page if I decide to do so?

2. Should this be placed at the top of IP address talk pages of K–12 schools? And aside from schools, what are the requirements to include such a header?

3. It appears that when I use a university's internet, going into Incognito mode makes you use a different IP address from the school's IP. Should anything be done with these IP addresses? TheGEICOgecko (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko: Answer for #2: Yes, {{Shared IP edu}} "can be transcluded onto the user talk page of any IP address belonging to an educational institution such as a school or college." GoingBatty (talk) 14:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Name changes

I would like to change the name and logo from Arnhem Business School to International School of Business, since we are no longer the Arnhem Business School and this false image is dramatically harming our business. Arnhem Business School  JessicaKistenmacher (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

JessicaKistenmacher Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read about paid editing and conflict of interest as you have a formal disclosure that you must make, required by the Wikipedia Terms of Use. This information is also on your user talk page. You may request that the title of the article be changed at Requested Moves. If you have a new logo, you may see WP:UPIMAGE for more information about how you can place it on Wikipedia. In most cases, you should avoid directly editing the article about your school, but instead please make edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Confused about quality

Are there any fixed guidelines for rating an article? Like a certain size of article with certain number of citations is such class article. Excellenc1 (talk) 09:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Excellenc1. You can find out more about this at WP:Assessment, but article seem to be “rated” more in terms of quality than in terms of quantity. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello to all friends and professionals of Wikipedia.

Please help me in this article so that I can add more articles in the future. Wiki's good help to me and I'm proud that all this has been noticed and I'm glad to be in such a family. Please check my article. I added new editions and new Iranian and foreign sources and now I need help to fix any problems. Draft:Zahra_Meygoli--Karestoonegoli (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC) Karestoonegoli (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Karestoonegoli. I'm sorry, but you appear to be trying to make up for the lack of good sources by adding lots of low-quality or irrelevant ones. I have only looked at a few of the sources, but of the ones I have looked at:

• The first one (Jackson News Reporter) is mostly an interview. It is possible that the introductory biography is the work of a journalist who has researched her independently, but much more likely that it comes from her. It is therefore not indepedent.
• An entry in a university directory is of no value whatever as a source
• A biographical note about her husband is of no value whatever in an article about her. (It doesn't even confirm that he is her husband, as it says he is married to "Goli", but that name doesn't appear in the draft)
• Three of them (think world plus, themagazinenews, and automotivespeak} have exactly the same picture and text; and they are obviously rewritten from the Jackson article - even including the erroneous use of both "her" and "his" to refer to her. Referencing three identical sources that are obviously based on a fourth one makes your draft less likely to be accepted, not more.
• The Kannoonnews article as far as I can tell (from Google Translate) is indeed about one of the plays named, but does not mention Meygoli.

It is posssible that some of the other references that I haven't looked at meet the triple criterion of being reliably published, independent of Meygoli, and containing significant coverage of her; but if so, you should remove all the sources which don't, and any content which is not sourced to one of those high-quality references.

There is another issue, not about the draft, but about your account name: according to the biography referenced in your draft, "Karestoonegoli" is the online handle of Zahra Meygoli. If you are not Meygoli (and you say on your talk page that you are not), you should change your username immediately. See WP:Impersonation. --ColinFine (talk) 12:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine Hello, yes, I understand your opinion. And if Google gives you the right translation, it can help me.

Plays, especially Kurzgrove, are a political play, and this can be troublesome for actors in the context of Iranian politics, which is why journalists only usually write the name of that play.

You who have more experience in editing than me, help me to make the article more professional. If possible, delete the links you see that are not good for me. Because I really have a big ambiguity in the wiki called policy recognition. I hope you can help me in this way so that I can present bigger and more professional articles to the world of foreign languages ​​in the future. And please tell me how can I change my name?--Karestoonegoli (talk) 12:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

On the name thing, see WP:CHU/SIMPLE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I deleted "During her childhood and adolescence, she worked in many physical and low-income jobs, including online insurance and sales." and its eleven references because that had nothing to do with her possible acting or directing notability. David notMD (talk) 12:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Logo change

I would like to change the logo of the following website, as that logo is outdated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAN_International_School_of_Business JessicaKistenmacher (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Looking at this page, do you want the one in the upper left corner or the bottom left corner? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

URL access date errors & ""script title: missing prefix" errors

I have gone through 10 edits about a Japanese cultural word that has become popular since 2017, but I am unsure how to correct some of the references in this draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TNewfields/sandbox2

Invalid URL access date messages appear, but I am unsure what specifically is wrong. There are also "script title: missing prefix" messages, but I do not understand precisely what is missing.

Coding apart, does this article seem ready to publish? A Japanese version is already online at https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/忖度

TNewfields (talk) 12:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)TNewfields

If you look at {{cite web}} it tells you more about the various parameters. The parameter url-access needs a value as shown at Template:Cite web#Access indicators for url-holding parameters; perhaps you intended to use the parameter access-date? Template:Cite web#Title tells you that the value for script-title needs to be prefixed by a language code from the list at script-<param>=_language codes. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:59, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

About the page "Return YouTube Dislike"

If RYD, (a chrome extension) cannot be allowed on this site, then why does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus Adblock PLUS, Exist? BTW i am not affiated with RYD. TzarN64 (talk) 14:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

TzarN64, Adblock Plus has coverage in independent reliable sources. The draft in your sandbox does not use any independent, reliable sources and includes the completely unusable source called reddit.Slywriter (talk) 14:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

No cheering

 2601:282:1900:BAC0:ACC7:48D:8BEC:9E5F (talk) 14:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Boooooo! Panini!^🥪 14:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

RYD 2

Are you serious? Have you research the old page? It literally have NO resources on reddit. https://imgur.com/a/0oLg3L0 + I'm Updating the page to include reliable sites now. TzarN64 (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, Discord. Still not a reliable source.Slywriter (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

To be clear, not a single source listed contributes to Notability.Slywriter (talk) 14:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok to be fair i am to to wikipedia and idk really about it BUT STILL. That was the offical discord server you can get from there site. Please do your research "admin" TzarN64 (talk) 14:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

TzarN64, please press the edit button here and reply here. Do not keep opening new topics.

Also have a look at guide to your first article for a better understanding of proper sourcing.Slywriter (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

ill look at it TzarN64 (talk) 14:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64: I also recommend looking at WP:RS so you know what is and isn't a reliable source (Which Discord is not). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

STATUS: TzarN64 created a draft in own Sandbox, then moved it to mainspace as Return YouTube Dislike without going through Articles for Creation. Same day, an editor (not Slywriter) tagged it with Speedy deletion, which TzarN64 opposed. Article exists, is not at PROD or AFD, but in my opinion, some references are fatally flawed. David notMD (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I think it would be best to draftify it, however I'm refraining from doing so since i don't want to be breaking any rules. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Believe AfD is only policy compliant option at this point. Not sure any of the assistance here has been useful as primary sources still being added and no secondary.Slywriter (talk) 15:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I certainly don't mind AfD. They contested the speedy deletion with the reasoning of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:43, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually I think the article has a shot. A quick WP:BEFORE search shows there are reliable sources to use. It's not cut and dry that the extension is non-notableSlywriter (talk) 15:50, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright. So maybe draftifying it would be a good option? (also this conversation might be best to continue elsewhere) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:52, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Simple - merge and redirect to YouTube#User features. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what extent there's even anything to be merged. I've nominated the article at AfD with the intent to make the page a redirect. I think it would be reasonable to add one sentence about it under the Consolidation and controversy (2019–present) section using this article from PCMag as a source, but that's about it. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Question regarding citations on a draft

I notice on some of my citations on my draft pending approval, it will have a lowercase "a b" next to them or even a lower case "a b c d" before it starts. What does this mean? I'm trying to check all boxes because I'm worried about approval and it's a long wait!MediaExpert1979 (talk) 14:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC) MediaExpert1979 (talk) 14:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

MediaExpert1979, don't worry, this just means you've used the same citation for multiple claims, and each letter corresponds to one of its inline citations. Panini!^🥪 14:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello MediaExpert1979! The "abcd..." just means that Reference is being referred to by several different sentences. The number of the reference will remain the same wherever it appears in the text. If you left click on the those "abcd..." buttons they will jump to the part in the main text citing it, so you can keep track. Nothing wrong with this method, indeed it's a little more advanced. The only concern would be if one source was all you had & you kept using it for everything, which could be seen as stretching. :) Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 14:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all of your help! I made sure I have at least 16 sources, I just quoted several of them 2,3, even 4 times! I really appreciate it...fingers crossed 1 of my 3 entries gets approved! Trying to nail this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaExpert1979 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Changes at the top

How does one fix an error at the top section of a bio page? They have my client listed as DEAD when she is very much alive, but I can't seem to edit that section. JaneAitken (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

JaneAitken, I've removed it as unsourced. Now please review WP:PAID and WP:COI. Given your relationship, you must disclose your paid status and you can not edit the article directly. You can use the talk page to suggest edits and provide possible sources to other editors.Slywriter (talk) 15:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

JaneAitken- Typo ruined ping :( Slywriter (talk) 15:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @JaneAitken: To answer your question, you can click the "Edit" or "Edit source" tab at the top of the article. You can also go to Preferences > Gadgets, scroll down to the Appearance section, check the box that says "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page", and then click the Save button.

You may remove obvious vandalism from your client's article, but should use the article's talk page to make any other suggestions, and use the {{edit request}} template. Or, you may use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 15:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed accounts

How do I know if I have an autoconfirmed account? One user told me it is if I have made 10 edits or more, which I have but I don't know if I have gotten any designation which would make my account "autoconfirmed" or what this actually meansMediaExpert1979 (talk) 16:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC) MediaExpert1979 (talk) 16:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@MediaExpert1979: Hello MediaExpert! You can take a look at WP:AUTOCONFIRM to see what the requirements for becoming autoconfirmed are and what it means. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, the box on the side will tell you if your account in autoconfirmed or not. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@MediaExpert1979: Put your account name in at Special:UserRights and it will show you. If your account is more than 4 days old and you have more than 10 edits, that is usually enough. RudolfRed (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello MediaExpert1979. An autoconfirmed account is one that is at least 4 days old and has more than 10 edits. Your account is autoconfirmed. See this for more information. Thank you, and happy editing!! Kpddg ^(talk) 16:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@MediaExpert1979: Autoconfirmed means that you are permitted to create articles without being required to go through the Draft, Articles for Creation submission and Review process. However, such articles are evluated by the New Pages Patrol, and may be Speedy deleted if completely imappropriate for Wikipedia, draftified (turned into a draft) or accepted. David notMD (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all! This makes sense and I was an autoconfirmed user without even knowing! My new goal is to become a confirmed user!:)MediaExpert1979 (talk) 22:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@MediaExpert1979: No need. Autoconfirmed and confirmed are the exact same. One is just given out automatically and the other is given out manually by request (usually not needed). Your next goal would be to become extended-confirmed. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Peter D. Welch page

Hi. I sought guidance from this page earlier and the people here were very helpful. I am new to Wikipedia. I drafted a piece on my father, Peter D. Welch, as the author of the "Welch Method" and as an academic (in a field different than his) I had a sense of how to find source material. I also declared my conflict of interest as his daughter (after learning of that part of this process). I would love to try to get that piece resubmitted or have others revise and re-submit it for review. But it's my sense that it should not be me who does this. As my father is in his 90s; it would be a great gift for him to see an article on Wikipedia about him. Though I am biased, I believe he merits a small note in history for the "Welch Method." I'm just wondering how best to take the entry to the next level. Please advise.RebeccahWelch (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2022 (UTC) RebeccahWelch (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rebeccah, I responded on your Talk Page. I think its ready to be resubmitted. As I recall, the issues were addressed, but it was never resubmitted. But it couldn't hurt to have others look it over. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I've accepted the article. Better than 50% chance of surviving an AfD based on google scholar and that Wikipedia already has an article on "Welch Method". And despite the COI, no overly promotional material. Slywriter (talk) 16:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@RebeccahWelch: I just want to let you know I went ahead and added an infobox to the article. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Voila! Peter D. Welch exists. David notMD (talk) 17:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

My page

I want this page to become my author page. How to substitute the title by Arnaldo Gonçalves https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Arnaldogonc/Sample_page&action=edit Arnaldogonc (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Arnaldogonc. This is the English Wikipedia. You need to submit your draft at the Portuguese Wikipedia, not here. Cullen328 (talk) 17:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Why is it so hard to add information about a topic or subject that is important to Wikipedia?

 38.140.244.18 (talk) 18:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

It is not hard at all, as long as you provide a reference to a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Welcome to the Teahouse! Maybe because Wikipedia cares deeply about verifiability and copyright, and it's hard to get consensus to make major changes to the editing software. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

article declined (draft:charles williams). stated reason was lack of reliable sources.

article declined for lack of reliable sources. following is the Original References list but recommended to list only a few applicable references. Could use help in completing this article. when asked about inadequate references for reliability purposes seemed adequate when compared to similar wikipedia articles e.g. lucian niemeyer

Could use help when asked about inadequate references for reliability purposes.

1. ↑ "Charles Williams, United States Navy, Biography". America's Navy. 1. Southeast Missouri State University graduate college newspaper article (https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=17c98d4384f2083c&attid=0.1&disp=attd&safe=1&zw(https://www.slu/edu) 2. Charles Williams presidential nomination(https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/eight-nominations-one-withdrawal-sent-senate-2/) 3. Charles Williams (http://www.congress.gov/nomination/116th-congress/1310) 4. Charles Williams (http://www.executivegov.com/2019/12/retired-rear..) 6. Trump announces pick for top Navy energy, environment post.pdf (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1061653601) https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=17c94cebe9e622b1&attid=0.1&disp=attd&safe=1&zw 7. Charles Williams (http://www.insidedefense.com/document/mcpherson-williams-confirmation-hearing) 8. Charles Williams (http://www.msccn.org/uploads/2/5/8/2/25822220/chuck_williams.pdf) 9. Liberty University (http://www.coursehero.com/file/75130637/Generations)-Assesment-3docx 10. Charles Williams (http://capitalinnovators.com/charles-williams) 11. Charles Williams Hall of Fame 1968 (http://www.ritenour.k12.mo.us/page/452) 12. Charles Williams USS St. Louis Commissioning speaker (https://news.usni.org/2020/08/11/video-littoral-combat-ship-uss-st-louis-comissioning-ceremony 13. Interview for PBS special https://www.ninepbs.org/blogs/program-highlights/uss-st-louis-centuries-of-service/ 14. Defense minister, embassy and Omani Admiral in Chief RNO commander receives US official - Oman Observer https://www.omanobserver.om/article/7116/Local/rno... RNO Commander meets with US Navy official - Oman Observer https://www.omanobserver.om/article/7091/Local/rno... 15. Assistant Secretary Williams visits U.S. installations in the U.S., Central Command, Europe and Africa. https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2366261/assistant-secretary-of-the-navy-for-energy-installations-environment-visits-sou/ https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2329431/asn-for-energy-installations-environment-visits https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2438028/asst-secnav-for-energy-installations-environment-visits-overseas-installations/ 16. Charles Williams Installation Annual Report (https://www.secnav.navy.mil/eie/Documents/2020_Navy_Financial_Report_PRINT_FILE-BLEED.pdf) 17.Trump Taps Missouri Vet to Lead Navy ... - Defense Communities (https://defensecommunities.org/2019/12/trump-taps...) 18. Charles Williams livid over housing https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2020/01/16/navy-housing-nominee-livid-about-housing-problems/ 19. Charles Williams (http://www.independentsentinel.com/88-former) 20. Charles Williams https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/03/06/as-pentagon-vacancies-peak-time-runs-out-to-fill-jobs/ 21. Charles Williams Senate Confirmation hearing (https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/national/military-news/pentagon-nominees-questioned-on-housing-suicides-shipyards-climate-change/291-36f29958-4530-42d6-b878-afe73155e9dd) 22. Charles Williams Senate hearing congressional record (pdf) https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-166/daily-digest/page/D59 https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/press-releases/sasc-advances-civilian-military-nominations-021320 23. Charles Williams Armed Services hearing January 16,2020 (https://www.c-span.org/search/?sdate=01%2F16%2F2020&edate=01%2F16%2F2020&congressSelect=&yearSelect=&searchtype=Videos&sort=Most+Recent+Event&text=0) 24. Charles Williams Senate Event Schedule https://www.congress.gov/event/116th-congress/senate-event/326925?s=2&r=10 Flagship1 (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Charles Arthur Williams @Flagship1: I helped out with this in October, but guess it stalled. There need to be more sources written about him rather than primary sources. See Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary,_secondary_and_tertiary_sources. Navy documents and press releases are primary sources.TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

follow up to Templeton

FYI

 – Combined sections. GoingBatty (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

3rd party references were suggested to be added. Flagship1 (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

references include 2 college articles on the subject (liberty and southeast missouri) and 1 high school article ritenour). 3 television reports local and national (cspan, pbs). 4 newspaper articles.

believe these to be 3rd party. are more needed than this?

Might add the position held was previously held by Teddy Roosevelt (pres mckinley appointment) and Franklin Rooselvelt (pres Wilson appointment)

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flagship1 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Flagship1. We can't tell from that brief description whether or not those sources qualify. For each source, you need to answer the following three questions:

1. Is it a reliable source? i.e., was it published by somebody with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control. The televaision and newspaper articles, probably (but not necessarily); official publications by college, but probably not student newspapers or the like; probably not high school publications (I've no idea what "ritenour" means)
2. Is it independent of him? Almost nothing published or written by any colleagues, employers, or institutions he was affiliated to (includi8ng his colleges, and the navy) would qualify. Newspaper and TV articles may, if they were written by journalists from their own research, but not if they were interviews with him or his colleagues, or based on press releases.
3. Does it contain significant coverage of him? More than just a mention, a single sentence, or an entry in a directory.

If you can find several sources that meet those criteria, then you can establish notability, and write the article, based almost entirely on those sources. Note that who else held his position is completely irrelevant: notability for Wikipedia's purposes isn't about what a person has been or done, but about what has been written about them in appropriate contexts. --ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I also advised in October. Posting a 'wall' of posible refs here (and on the Talk page of the editor who declined the submission) is not helpful. Better to decide which of all those possible refs represent significant coverage about him, add those, and resubmit. David notMD (talk) 07:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Can you add 2-3 sources to a citation?

Hello, I have multiple sources for a citation in an article I would like to create (currently using sandbox as I'm new). Is there a way to add a string of sources to a particular citation? I would like to prove to Wikipedia that I've done ample research. Orangecosmos (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Orangecosmos: Here are two says to list multiple sources within a citation:

• This is my statement.
• This is my statement.

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

But note, Orangecosmos, that multiple sources are not necessarily a good idea. If the statement contains information from several sources, that's fine; but adding another source to an adequately sourced claim "to prove you've done ample research" is likely to put a reviewer off. Nobody cares how much research you've done, as long as you have done enough to produce a well-written and sourced article. See WP:Citation overkill. --ColinFine (talk) 21:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Wikipedia Page

Hello is someone able to help me? My page was submitted for review almost 4 months ago now? i was told i would have an answer in roughly 2 months but it's almost 4. Can snyone help speed this process up? LaylaDakota (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC) LaylaDakota (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ben Jones (boxer)

LaylaDakota, you submitted it on 21 October, three months ago tomorrow: the message on it says "may take three months or more". I'm afraid that there is no reliable way to speed things up: reviewers are volunteers, like all other editors, and work on what they choose when they choose. It's possible that posting here will cause somebody to have a look, but not necessarily.

You can continue to improve it while it's awaiting review. What I notice is that several statements are supported by multiple weak sources: this is a red flag to reviewers, suggesting that you haven't many solid sources so you're trying to make it look better sourced than it is (see Citation overkill). I would, for example, lose all the BoxingRec sources except for no 1 (the uncontroversial statistics can reasonably come from such a source). As I said to another questioner just above, if a statement is fully substantiated by one independent, reliable source, there is no point in adding a second or third citation to it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I have accepted it for you. Theroadislong (talk) 21:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Question about why page was deleted

Hello,

I am curious to know why Plivo's Wikipedia page was deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plivo? Would you be able to provide some help? Thank you, Erik EW 21:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikgwagner (talk • contribs)

Hello Erikgwagner and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that article was deleted as the result of a decision based on this AfD discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plivo (2nd nomination). --ARoseWolf 21:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

There were not a lot of comments at either AfD, but for both, an Administrator made a judgement call to delete. You could query the Admin who did the second AfD. David notMD (talk) 07:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Te Kauwhata - the town in North Island New Zealand, it spelt incorrectly on the map.

Hello readers,

"Te Kauwhata" - the town in North Island New Zealand, it spelt incorrectly on the map on the Wikipedia page, it is displayed as Kauwhata. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Kauwhata is anyone able to edit and correct this please? I don't know how to.

thank you. Shani 180.150.37.197 (talk) 23:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, I've tried to fix it. The Wikidata item d:Q1526617 had two links to the NZ Gazeteer both apparently to the same place, but one having the name "Kauwhata". I removed that property from the Wikidata item, thinking that this would fix it; but it hasn't, even when I purged the article, and tried a null edit. Somebody who understands how the map works will have to fix it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

If you click on the map in the article and then zoom in a couple of steps, the name appears as "Te Kauwhata". I don't know why the zoomed-out map has just "Kauwhata". Deor (talk) 23:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Assessing own artilces

I did search this before asking, but could not find the answer.

Are we allowed to assess articles that we created ourselves with regards to the quality scales? To date, I have not done so, I tag the relevant WikiProjects and wait for someone to assess them. By now I feel confident that I can assess articles. I'm talking about stub/start/C, I would not feel confident assessing anything as B and obvioulsy grading A and FA is a whole different process. Is that encouraged/discouraged/helpful/bad? What's the normal thing to do? CT55555 (talk) 23:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555 I asked a similar question earlier, and someone told me that I could assess my own articles up to C quality. However, I wait until I'm informed my new article has been reviewed, and then check the status. If someone else has graded it a stub and I'm sure it qualifies for start class I change it up to that. But you would need to use your own judgement as to what seems correct for your new articles. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@CT5555: Karenthewriter is correct: it's best to either wait for somebody else to make a first assessment or to be somewhat conservative with how you assess your own article. Note that the written criteria for these classes have remained unchanged or basically unchanged since mid-2008 when C-class was introduced. However, because these were written at the very tail end of what I would call the "wild west era" of Wikipedia and a couple years past the start of what I would call the "reform era", implicit standards for article assessment, I would argue, have changed and gotten somewhat more strict. I was going to write a lengthy, tangential ramble here explaining myself, but I actually think I'm going to create an essay about it instead. The bottom line is that it's totally normal to review it yourself or to wait for a new page patroller to do that, but I think it's best to always err toward conservatism when choosing how to assess one's own articles. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

This is all very helpful, thanks. Karenthewriter User:TheTechnician27 I'll wait for others to review, let them go first, and be conservative and humble. I only forsee doing this for some old stubs that are clearly start or C class. CT55555 (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Interviews and birthdates

Hello, I need some help. I am doing a major rewrite on an article and have some questions. First off, what are the rules on subject interviews, Are they considered primary sources? Are they considered reliable? Secondly, if no reliable websites specify the subjects birth date do you just leave it out? What if the mention their birth date in an interview? Thanks in advance. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Gandalf the Groovy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, interviews are primary sources, as by definition it is the person speaking about themselves. See WP:ABOUTSELF for how such information is treated; in short, the person themselves can usually be used as a source for their birthdate, if no independent source is available. There may be exceptions to that, as celebrities in some fields are not always honest about their ages, for career reasons. 331dot (talk) 23:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Gandalf the Groovy, also worth reading is WP:INTERVIEWS. Cullen328 (talk) 00:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Unreliable source

I am not confident in identifying reliability. Could someone take a look at these, I belive they are unreliable. They look like blogs and fan sites but I am not sure. [[4]], [[5]], [[6]], [[7]] and [[8]]. Thanks in advance. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

First 3 look to be interviews ans can likely be used in accordance with WP:ABOUTSELF. Last two look like blogs/editable by anyone/Wikipedia clones.Slywriter (talk) 23:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Sandboxes of indefinitely blocked users

Hello. I came across a user sandbox page for a banned [blocked] user. I wanted to nominate it for speedy deletion, but did not find it in CSD. I tried searching policy and guidelines, but came up empty. Surely, it doesn't have to go through a full WP:MFD, does it? For specifics, it is this page: User:Ugochukwu75/sandbox. The user was officially banned [blocked] for sockpuppetry but has also admitted to undeclared paid editing. Cheers, SVTCobra 23:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Correction: This editor was indefinitely blocked, but was not banned. Individual administrators can block editors. Banning is a community process, or can be imposed by the Arbitration Committee. Blocking and banning are not exactly the same thing. Cullen328 (talk) 00:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I apologize for the inappropriate terminology. I have struck and replaced the words above. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

As User:Ugochukwu75/sandbox was not created until after the sockmaster User:Ugochukwu75 had been blocked, you can't use WP:CSD#G5. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I know there are no WP:CSD that seem to fit, but that is my question: Should User:Ugochukwu75/sandbox sit there forever or is a WP:MFD necessary? Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Would it be improper to move to a draft page? Someone may find it, otherwise 6 months from now it would be procedurally deleted.Slywriter (talk) 01:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't know. Hence the question. And are you saying it will be PROD'ed in six months if left in the sandbox or only if it is moved to draftspace? --SVTCobra 04:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Drafts are deleted after 6 months of no activity. Or more precisely are queued for Admin attention, which usually results in deletion.Slywriter (talk) 05:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Drafts that remain unedited for six months are eligible for speedy deletion per WP:G13. There's no point in moving the page to the draft namespace if you have no intention in trying to improve it yourself. There's also no point in moving the page to the draft namespace if you just are hoping that someone may find it and adopt it. If the sandbox doesn't have any major issues (e.g. WP:COPYVIO or WP:BLP), then there seems to be no harm in simply leaving it alone; perhaps someday the creator will be unblocked and decide to resume work on it. If you really feel it needs to be deleted, then you'll probably need to bring it to WP:MFD. However, before doing that you might want to ask about it at some relevant WikiProjects (e.g. WP:ITALY, WP:WPBIOA&E, WP:FASHION) to see if anybody there feels the subject is notable and wants to work on the draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Marchjuly:. Cheers, --SVTCobra 10:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Re-creating red-linked articles

I linked to Seba Technology Disruption Framework, expecting to see an article (I believe I visited this page before), but it is red-linked. I believe that this is a notable topic and was tempted to create an article, but before doing that I would like to confirm that this article existed before and, if it did, I would like to see the prior content and also understand why the page was deleted. Can anyone confirm the prior existance of this article and, if it did, help me to understand why it was deleted. Assuming that it previously existed, it would also be helpful to see what was there before, rather than being obliged to start from scratch. Feedback and suggestions welcome.
Enquire (talk) 00:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If it had existed before, you would see the deletion log when you click on the redlink, but you don't so it didn't. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Enquire. Sometimes when you click on a red link like Seba Technology Disruption Framework, you may see something at the top of the page that explains whether the page has been previously deleted. If not, the checking the page's history or the page's talk page sometimes helps clarify things. Since none of those things seem to work in this case, you can try checking the WP:LOG for the page at Special:Log. If there's no log record for a page, then mostly likely it never existed (at least under that particular name) which means you'll be basically creating the page from scratch. Sometimes a page might have previously existed but under a different name; so, searching different combinations of the page title occassionally will help clarify things as well. FWIW, as far as I can tell, no page to titled "Seba Technology Disruption Framework" has ever existed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

See which pages use a template

While scouring through barely used templates, I want to know if there is any way to see what pages use these templates. Is there any special page that does that? Afaik, Whatlinkshere shows which articles links to the page, and not which article trancsludes what template. 139.192.111.232 (talk) 01:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Whatlinks here has options for "Hide transclusions | Hide links | Hide redirects". If you hide the last two, then it will leave you with just the transclusions. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

There's usually a "What links here" link in the left sidebar for most Wikipedia pages. If you click on this link, you should be able to see all of the pages where the template is being transcluded (i.e. being used) or where a link to the template's page has been added. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I see, thanks! 139.192.111.232 (talk) 01:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Mohammed Shami

I have mistakenly added a number of templates to the article in caption. Anyone please fix it.Michri michri (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If you made a mistake, you can go back and fix it yourself if you want. If the entire edit was a mistake, you can WP:SELFREVERT it yourself to restore the article to its prior version. In either case, you should leave an edit summary briefly explaining what you're fixing or why you're self-reverting. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Marchjuly, please help me, as I am editing now in mobile and not in the desktop, where I am familiar, I'm facing serious problems while editing. So, please fix it instead of me. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michri michri (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You can fix it later on when you have access to a desk top. If you can't wait, trying scrolling all the way down to the bottom of the article in mobile mode and clicking on "switch to desk top mode". If you can do that, you can edit from your mobile device in the same way as you would be able to do from your desk top. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Marchjuly, Thanks a lot but please fix it now if possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michri michri (talk • contribs) 02:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Michri michri: I deleted a bunch of tables that look like the infobox - hope that's what you wanted. In the future, I suggest you please don't edit from a device where you can't revert your edits. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

How to change signature?

Hi again, I've seen a lot of users with pretty cool signatures, but I want to learn how I can do it myself. I mean, I already know some stuff about this, but it's too confusing. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, CertifiedAmazing2 (talk) 02:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC) CertifiedAmazing2

Hi CertifiedAmazing2. You can find out more about this kind of thing at WP:CUSTOMSIG; however, please understand that people are going to assess you as an editor based on the quality of your edits and not based on how cool your signature is. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Just know I was just trying to give a compliment to those with custom signatures, rather than trying to say that's the only thing that matters. Either way, thanks for your help. Sincerely, CertifiedAmazing2 (talk) 02:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

My aplogies if my reply seemed harsh. I wasn't trying to imply that you were criticizing editors with customized signatures; I think customized signatures can be cool sometimes. However, you seem to be a new editor and many times new editors focus are things (e.g. user boxes, custom signatures) which are nice, but aren't really related to Wikipedia editing. If you do decide to customize your signature, just make such to follow the guidelines given in WP:CUSTOMSIG/P. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Update: I changed my previous response just in case you were confused by it. I never thought your reply was harsh. Also, I tried adding one but it didn't work, and now I'm stuck with this...signature (if you can even call it that). What do I do? Sincerely, #bodyContent a[title="CertifiedAmazing2"] { background-color: #ffa500; color: #ffffff; font-weight: bold; } (talk) 02:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Try reverting back to your original signature and then experimenting in your user sandbox. It looks like did WP:SIG#Customizing how you see your signature, when you seem to want to do WP:SIG#Customizing how everyone sees your signature. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If you'd like, Levi_OP could help you make a signature. They were actually the one who created my current signature. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Levi_OP repinging since I don't think my previous ping worked. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: I've left a message on their talk page and will try to help them if they want it. Also, the first ping did work. Where it is in the message doesn't matter, if that's why you thought it might not have worked. ― Levi_OP^Talk 15:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok. Wasn't sure if it worked after I fixed it and resigned since it didn't give me the notification of a successful. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Yeah, sometimes it just doesn't send a notification, and I don't know why. You can be assured that if there is a link to someone's userpage added in a edit, a notification will be sent to that person. ― Levi_OP^Talk 16:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Cross Language Wikilinks

If I'm citing a source from vidanuevadigital.com and would like to wikilink to the website, but there is no English Wikipedia page for the website is it appropriate to include a link like this: Vida Nueva? TipsyElephant (talk) 02:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

HiTipsyElephant, I don't think it is necessary for an article about the site to be included. If you want, you can do it like this:

Sincerely, #bodyContent a[title="CertifiedAmazing2"] { background-color: #ffa500; color: #ffffff; font-weight: bold; } (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant. The suggestion made by CertifiedAmazing2 would work for an external link, but you shouldn't really be adding external links to the bodies of articles. If you want to link to an article on another language Wikipedia using a WP:WIKILINK, then there is information on how to do so in Wikipedia:Interlanguage links. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Battle of Saint-Mihiel

I was just reading letters from my great uncle, Roy M Evans, who was an aide, a cartographer, for General Pershing in WWI. He has information on this battle from a personal experience that I would like to add to the article already in place, but not sure how to do it, or where in the article. I was thinking the short portion near the bottom, 'Aftermath', might be a good fit. I could copy and paste this here and let someone more experienced do it, if you'd like.Suzisuzanne (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC) Suzisuzanne (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Sadly, personal experience is not acceptable as a source in Wikipedia, and such an edit would be regarded as original research. Wikipedia edits need to be verifiable by references to published independent reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Suzisuzanne. Unfortunately, it sounds like you're referring to something that Wikipedia refers to as "original research" and such types of information is generally not deemed appropriate for Wikipedia articles. Please understand that this is meant as no disrespect to your great uncle and the things experienced. Now, this is only just a first assessment of things based upon the description you've given so far. You might want to ask about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history because that's where you're going to find editors who might more familiar with the Battle of Saint-Mihiel and be better able to assess the information you've found in your uncle's letters. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

New user

I created a new account yesterday, and I want to create a new page article. Unfortunately, I am unable to find out how to create one. please I need your help in that regard. My username is Hadeel Market, and I want to create a page named Market Equity. Hadeel Market (talk) 08:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new article is one of the more difficult tasks in Wikipedia, so you ought to gain experience in editing existing articles first. When you have done so, you can then find advice at WP:Your first article, but the most important point is to satisfy yourself that the subject meets Wikipedia's definition of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Hadeel Market: Welcome to the Teahouse! To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Hadeel Market blocked until making name change, and Sandbox Speedy deleted for promotional intent. David notMD (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

What are the rules surrounding subjects that have already been written about in other wikis?

Hello, this is a purely theoretical question I'm asking to satisfy my own curiosity as I read up more about Wikipedia rules. There are so many wikis around today, with more specialised areas--e.g. fandom wikis, computer game wikis, etc. What are the ground rules surrounding subjects that may be already covered in another wiki, which someone may think about transferring to Wikipedia? Are there content duplication rules that forbid acceptance of particular kinds of content if they have already been written about substantially in another source (and could an editor point me to the guidelines if a page exists on this topic? Can't seem to find it myself)? E.g. say for example, a new Star Wars character that's already been given a treatment on a Star Wars wiki, and which someone may want to write about in Wikipedia. On the assumption that the basic requirement to paraphrase instead of lifting is met, is that okay? Talamioros (talk) 08:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikis are not reliable sources, so it would be a non-starter. All articles must be based on reliable sources--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Talamioros, See WP:COPYPASTE, WP:PLAGIARISM and WP:USERG. What may be useful on other wikis are the sources they use, if any. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Interwiki Links

How can I get an internal link for a different language of wikipedia? For example, how can I get a internal link to may be Russian language Wikibooks, or maybe Italian language Wikivoyage. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 09:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. I always use the template {{ill}} for this; but see WP:ILL for all the possibilities. --ColinFine (talk)

Thanks for you help Colin Itcouldbepossible^Talk 14:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible ColinFine The {{ill}} template only links to other language Wikipedias. For instructions on intra-wiki projects (and languages) see this non Wikipedia link (Wikimedia Meta-Wiki) at meta:Help:Interwiki linking (which was also linked on WP:ILL). If you have further questions, happy to help ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Shushugah Can I link russian language wikibooks also? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 14:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please read the link I sent you and inspect in editor mode what I did, so you can do something similar. See the following example b:ru:Сборка кубика Рубика 3x3x3 which you can visually change with a | separator like on English Wikipedia which results in Сборка кубика Рубика 3x3x3| ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh

Help me to make this. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 10:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Karsan Chanda. Could you kindly specify your query? Do you want help to make an article on tribals or on a topic from the shared link? Please specify so that we can answer your query. Thank You. Kpddg ^(talk) 10:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

If the page in question is Alan_Singh, the reasons for its decline have been mentioned at the top of the page. Kpddg ^(talk) 10:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Karsan Chanda. If you want to create an article on Alan Singh, your absolutely first starting point (ideally before writing a single word) is to find three or four sources which talk at length about Singh himself - not just about his campaigns, or his tribe, or places associated with him. The sources do not need to be in English, or online (though it is helpful if they are); but they do need to have been published by publishers with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. The book you have just cited looks as if it might be a reliable source; but why are you citing it? If it is for an article about the Mina, see our existing article Meena - you may want to make additions to that. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

References

From the start of this draft last September, Karsan Chanda has been composing more about Amber Fort and the massacre of the Chandra dynasty (Meena) by Kachhwaha than about Alan Singh. If this is to succeed, focus on referenced content about Alan Singh. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Pictures deleted from draft

Hello, all the pictures that I had added to my draft were deleted and I do not have any notification. I have the copyright. Noeliagarone (talk) 11:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Noeliagarone. It looks like the files you added to Draft:Dawn After Dark were ones that you uploaded to Commons. Commons and Wikipedia are members of the same family so to speak, but they are different projects with their own policies and guidelines. A notification about one of the files the problems it had was posted at c:User talk:Noeliagarone and it and the other files were deleted by a Commons administrator named EugeneZelenko. If you want more information as to what the problems with the other files were, you can ask EugeneZelenko about them at c:User talk:EugeneZelenko. Before you do that though, you might want to take a look at c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:Own work and c: Commons:But it's my own work! for reference because copyright rules can be tricky and its easy to make a mistake. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse @Noeliagarone it seems the pictures were deleted (as given in the edit summery) because they were promo pictures. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Suggest a change to the interface

How, and where can I suggest a change to the Wikipedia interface? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 13:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Itcouldbepossible. Suggestions for improvement can be made in the appropriate section at Wikipedia:Village pump. Thank you. Kpddg ^(talk) 14:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg Thanks for the reply. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 14:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome :) Kpddg ^(talk) 14:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Pages created by me

In Xtools it is showing that I have created 5 pages, but I have only created one page and developed an existing draft. But, I did not create the rest of the pages. Why is it showing like that? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 14:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

My guess is it's because you moved those pages from mainspace to draftspace. Although I'm not sure why it would count this as a page creation. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible it looks like you moved them to draftspace as not ready, but then someone else has then written the article in article space later on (when they really should have just moved the draft back to article space when ready). So in the page history, your move (article --> draftspace) is the first edit that Wiki sees in the history, so it counts you as the "creator". Which is the case for [9] and [10]. Which seems wrong, but probably difficult to fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph2302 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph2302@Joseph2302 Thanks for the help. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 15:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

highlights mess up url when clicking a wikipedia article through google search results?

it adds a load of nonsense to the url in order to highlight a random part of the page eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capelin#:~:text=The%20capelin%20or%20caplin%20(Mallotus,of%20krill%20and%20other%20crustaceans. rather than: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capelin why? its annoying. its done it for atleast a year now. i dont like it. briefly, it would go away when you clicked the page. that was better i enjoy collecting many many wikipedia pages in my bookmarks and it has significantly decreased productivity. change it pls or ill cry :'¬( big love x 86.177.57.39 (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I've never seen this, probably because I hardly ever use Google. I think you need to complain to Google: there is nothing that Wikipedia can do about how Google treats its links to Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Tips for improvement

Hi, I am interested not only on earthquakes, but also on articles about places or cities. Any tips for making or improving articles of those topics? Filipinohere (talk) 15:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Separating sections ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Filipinohere Welcome to Teahouse! Check out this WikiProject dedicated to cities! Join the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities and ask for suggestions or see whatever interests you there! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

About Return YouTube Dislike again

After thinking for a bit, i think this should just be a redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Consolidation_and_controversy_(2019%E2%80%93present). It sucks for having my first artictle deleting after hours of research but i dont really care. TzarN64 (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Not a draft

This page has been marked as a draft, but it isn't a draft, and it was published over a month ago. How do I revert it from draft status? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:%22NOT_A_BOOK%22 PetSematary182 (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

PetSematary182 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It must be submitted for a review, I've added the information required to do so. Most of the sources do not seem appropriate; they must be reliable sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 16:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The article was moved to draft status this morning, the sources are "Goodreads" which is a primary source for this topic so confers zero notability on the subject, sources need to be independent. Theroadislong (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, PetSematary182, and welcome to the Teahouse. SVTCobra moved the article to draft space, with the comment "This does not appear ready"; they might have nominated it for deletion, but this indicates that they though it could be rescued as an article, but needed work. On a quick look, only two of your sources are regarded as reliable: The Verge and Vox; but neither of those two meantions Goodreads or "NOT A BOOK". In other words, your draft has not one single reliable source that covers the topic, and does nothing whatever to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

All I am trying to do is retrieve my account

(I reposted this from a misplaced quest for help [11] at MediaWiki talk:Signature. I didn't know where else this person might find the help they are looking for.)

I did not request any developer tools or apps or any other functions on my phone laptop or any of my accounts I have been trying to get this resolved for the longest time and still I keep getting these errors and redirects. Some of y'all don't seem to understand that this person is a very violent man that has harmed me in the past and all I am trying to do is retrieve my account so I can get back to my normal life 2600:1700:9D90:FF0:DC68:388F:EE35:B3B3 (talk) 16:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Reposted by Willondon (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

To the IP user, if your personal safety is in danger, you should contact your local authorities. I'm not sure what tools or apps have to do with this, are you being impersonated? 331dot (talk) 16:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Bug?

Can someone tell me what is going on? See diff 1 and diff 2. It always adds these weird blocks of code ( and so on). But I didn't add it. It adds them automatically. Is this a visual editor bug or what? Renat 16:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Multiple "consensus results", what do we do with the History of Dell page?

Copied from the Dell Talkpage

Oi... okay. So this is becoming an albatross around my neck. I'm going to put all the events as I see it here and ask for someone who is not myself, anyone involved in the original AFD, or the ultimate merge to make a decision on this.

1. The page History of Dell was woefully out-of-date, and I PRODed it.

2. Another user dePRODed as they saw value in the page.

3. Correspondingly, I opened an AFD. This AFD was improperly closed.

4. I began work on following consensus, and posted a notice (see above section).

5. The deletion review recognized this, but the Admin closed it with what appears to be another wrong reason, stating consensus as Merge to Dell. I believe the discussion pretty clearly shows consensus was to split the History section from this article into the History of Dell article to make it up to date.

6. Another user, unaware of the rather tumultuous happenings, came by and understandably merged it].

To lay out the reasons I saw from others and understand as consensus:

• We agreed that the page had relevant information that should not be removed from Wikipedia
• We agreed that merging into Dell was problematic as well, because that makes this article WP:TOOBIG
• Keeping the separate article matches other articles like History of IBM and History_of_Microsoft

As a result, it seemed to me like we had settled on updating the original history article and keeping it as is. I really don't know what to do at this point. Help? SpuriousCorrelation 17:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)