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RM, Flying Spaghetti Monster → Pastafarianism, not moved, 14 July 2011, Talk:Flying Spaghetti Monster/Archive 9#Requested move
RM, Flying Spaghetti Monster → Pastafarianism, not moved, 2 December 2015, Talk:Flying Spaghetti Monster/Archive 17#Requested move 2 December 2015

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Q1: Why is this described as a parody religion? Who determines whether or not a religion is a parody?

A1: Reliable sources. There is unanimity among reliable, third-party sources that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a satire. Moreover, founder Bobby Henderson is implied to have said it was in an interview with USA Today. "I don't know if (the FSM parody) makes a difference," Henderson says. "People who really need to get it aren't probably listening. But if anything, it might bring some awareness to undecided people out there." [1] In any case, Wikipedia's standard for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. The bottom line is that we report what reliable sources have said.

Q2: This offends me, a true Pastafarian, or could offend others. Should Wikipedia really be deliberately offending others?

A2: Putting aside whether a "true Pastafarian" exists, Wikipedia is not censored for one group or another, even if that means offending some people.

Q3: Why does such an "insignificant" topic deserve such a long article?

A3: Simply put, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is notable. It has been mentioned in detail by news sources throughout the world. In the US, the New York Times, USA Today, Washington Post and many others wrote about it. In the UK, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph, BBC and others wrote about it. In Germany, Der Spiegel wrote about it. In Canada, the Toronto Star wrote about it. In Australia, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation wrote about it. Even the Council of Europe mentioned the Flying Spaghetti Monster in a report about Creationism in science standards, and this is not to mention its ubiquity among online technology sites and notable blogs. Like it or not, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is famous. A comprehensive presentation requires a certain length.

This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Daniel Finkelstein (August 27, 2009). "The 10 best wikipedia entries". The Times.
Sarah Boxer (August 29, 2005). "But Is There Intelligent Spaghetti Out There?". The New York Times.

Please add content about Adopt-a-Highway

Another instance of legal recognition of the church was by the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDot) when they allowed a group to adopt a highway for litter control in Washington, Pennsylvania. PennDot installed state highway signs with the name of the church. Jvanriebeeck (talk) 00:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don’t want to edit it myself, but it should be fixed soon as it’s been vandalized 2603:8001:C5F0:1E20:3CB6:73AE:A8D8:EB87 (talk) 15:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you for reporting this. I've reverted the vandalism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Entimology or previous uses of related words

I know The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster recognizes 2005 as their official founding year.

I'm just curious if anyone else has found references to it from before then. Feel free to add them in as references to the article if you see fit. And add more if you find them.

Pastafarian - Earliest I can find is the episode "Letting Go" Step by Step: Season 4, Episode 10 Air date: November 25, 1994 (A little over 10 minutes in) Patrick Duffy's character says "Oh honey, he's a weirdo. He looks like one of those Pastafarians" when describing the boy his daughter just introduced him to in the previous scene. - Klostrophobik (talk) 22:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]