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Good articleIsaac and Miria has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 7, 2012Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 12, 2010.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Isaac Dian and Miria Harvent are characters of the Baccano! light novels and anime, set in the Prohibition-era United States, but also appear in the Durarara!! anime, set in modern Tokyo?

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~Itzjustdrama ? C 18:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Piotrus (talk · contribs) 15:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    Seems fine to this ESL. "Creation and conception" - shouldn't it be concept, not conception?
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
    Seems fine.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    Seems fine.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    Seems fine; I added two cite requests but they are minor. Also, I assume references to primary sources for plot are the only way we can reasonably cover certain details.
    C. No original research:
    Seems fine.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    "Creation and conception" says nothing about the creation, nor about the concept between the characters, other than in the context of the dub. Also, discussing the dub voice actors raises the question - what about the Japanese voice actors? Similarly, the reception covers only the US (or presumably English-speaking world's) release - what about reception in Japan? Now, I realize that what I as asking for may require a knowledge of Japanese language, but if so, that is what is required (IMHO) to get most anime (or Japan-related) articles to high quality standards. If the author disagrees, I can ask for second opinion on this, but I believe that comprehensive coverage does mean, at the very least, comprehensive coverage in English and language native to the subject matter.
    B. Focused:
    Seems fine.
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    Seems fine.
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
    Seems fine.
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    Seems fine.
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Seems fine - one fair use image to illustrate the characters is all we can reasonably expect.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Hold pending discussion of the broadness of coverage. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 15:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a warning note that the article has seen no activity for over a week. In the holiday spirit, and taking into account possibly crazy RL, I'll wait for few more days. If no reply is pending by the time this reaches a 2-week mark, this will be an auto fail. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 01:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am willing to attempt to fix the issues. As for the "Creation and conception", I agree none of the content fit that header. As such, I removed the first sentence stating the authors opinion on the characters and renamed the header as "Voice portrayal". As for the coverage for Japanese actors, sometimes interviews do not exist unless the series they voiced in has been long or highly popular. I have not done much research on the series, but my search attempt with "バッカーノ! インタビュー" (Bacanno! Interview) did not yield positive results. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have also addressed the two fact tags. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, it is true that we cannot write on what is not available, and I cannot help much with Japanese search. Did you ask if anybody can find any sources in Japanese on Anime Wikiproject and Japanese noticeboard? If nobody offers to help for a few days, or confirms they cannot find anything, I'll accept it as complete and pass it. Does it sound fair? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have decided to ask at the Anime Wikiproject here DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 00:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking care of the fact tags. About the interviews. I have some staff comments on the talk page mentioning the Japanese names of Isaac and Miria, but I can't read Japanese so I have no idea what they say (or determine if they're of any help). I have to look through the DVD, if I remember right, there were more comments from the Japanese cast and maybe the commentary will mention something else(?). About reception in Japan, I've heard (so reliable, I know. :P) that it wasn't popular there, so there may not be any reception for them in Japanese. About other countries, I haven't come across anything as of yet. ~TenTonParasol 01:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Remembered I've lent my copy of the DVD out, so searching the DVD may take a few days. ~TenTonParasol 01:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If we could source the claim that it was less popular in Japan than abroad, it would certainly be worth including. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 15:07, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It seems there are some potential sources, but we are missing a willing Japanese speaker to help with them. I am passing this as a GA, with the comment that I believe a Japanese speaker help will be necessary for A/FA class. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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