Talk:Loren Coleman

Tom Slick movie

I removed the line This book, on Tom Slick, is due to be made into a motion picture during the next decade. If you put it back in, please add a few more details, e.g. the name of a studio that bought the story, and/or a director who has shown interest. Or, even better, a verifiable source. Also, please explain what "the next decade" is. The 10 years starting now? The 2010s? --Austrian 15:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Look through User 72.224.214.119's edits. I have a feeling it might be Loren Coleman himself.... Zagalejo 04:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like its him... Zagalejo 05:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Going further back, 24.198.27.250 also appears to be Himself.

IP addresses tend to change, including mine. Here's another that admitted to be him: 72.224.170.231. --Twinsday 03:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Radio and TV

I have seen this subject on TV, such as In Search Of, on the Documentary chanels, incl. the Discovery Channel, and related channels, the History Channel, and heard him on the radio, such as Coast To Coast AM, and on Jeff Rense's radio show. Martial Law 00:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Can this be used ? Martial Law 00:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Zagalejo 20:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no; not unless you have impartial, third-party sources. "I saw/heard it myself" is Original Research, and not permitted. --Orange Mike 13:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Well appearances on TV and radio are worthy of mention (I'm not sure having watched them strictly counts as original research) - his IMDB entry can be used to verify a lot of the TV work and Rense and C2C both have extensive sites listing guests so it should be possible to address that angle too. (Emperor 15:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

Yes, having watched them is OR; but the IMDb, etc. sound like adequate sourcing for relatively uncontroversial items. --Orange Mike 19:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

COI tag

The problem I have with this article is that nearly all of the references are from Coleman's own website or blogs. In other words, there is no independent evidence of its claims. As far as possible, the references need to be replaced with third party WP:Reliable Sources. Peter Ballard 23:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

While COI might not be proved I agree with what you say - the critical thing is that (with a few exceptions) blogs aren't reliable sources and all those links to his own site (and Boing Boing) should either not be here at all or they shouldn't be the only sources for the claims. He does appear in the papers and magazines and so it should be possible to source things elsewhere (not that I have the time to do it). I'd suggest removing those references to blogs and adding {{refimprove}} for now until the issues can be addressed. (Emperor 00:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

LC reply

I hope this is the correct way to do this. Here goes....I admit to being a dinosaur, or well, at least a Yeti about this.

Yes, I do sometimes go into my bio entry to update or correct it with info, as I notice vandals do hit. But more importantly, I sometimes notice that people place confusing "clarifications" that merely stumble over old mistakes.

I did not come up with the phrase "world's greatest living cryptozoologist," and that comes out of being introduced as such at venues like FT's UnCon in London in the 1990s, by Craig Woolheater in Texas (2001), and as recently as by John Horrigan at the "Mass Monster Mash" 2007 conference. Do you wish for me to provide references? To whom?

As to the various editions of Mysterious America, also, sorry for any feeling of it being self-promotion. I merely was trying to clean up the publishing information that there are very different editions for 1983, 2001, and now 2007. But, yes, I hear what you are saying, and I will be careful about any over dramatic wording. Hey, what can I say. I don't write dryly. :-)

As to citations for my work that are not from LorenColeman.com and from Cryptomundo.com (where I blog but do not run it), I was just sent the following bibliography by a library researcher. I share it for your use or merely to peruse. At this point, I feel I should not be the one to add it from what I am getting from the user talk. It's your call, anyone that reads this. Thank you.

Best wishes Loren Coleman lcoleman {@} maine.rr.com

Loren Coleman/International Cryptozoology Museum – Web Bibliography

derek@freakylinks.com. “20 Questions with Loren Coleman.” Freakylinks.com. 17 Dec. 2000 <reprinted: http://www.paranormalexplorer.com/cryptozoology/cryptozoology_article.htm>

Wolf, Buck. “Hideous Objects Become Museum Art.” ABC News. 09 Sep. 2003 <http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WolfFiles/Story?id=90251&page=4>

“Bigfoot Replica.” Coast to Coast AM with George Noory: Shows. 02 Aug. 2004 <http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/08/02.html>

“Cryptozoology museum: A must see when in Portland.” The Essential Ghoul’s Record Shelf. 11 Jan 2005 <http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:v9pWQmbvhqoJ:drmysterian.com/2005/01/crypt ozoology- museum+essential+ghoul%27s+record+shelf+cryptozoology+museum&hl=en&ct=clnk &cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a>

Shepherd, Marleen. “Renowned Cryptozoologist Got His Start at SIUC.” The Southern. 26 Oct. 2005. <http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2005/10/26/top/10000833.txt>

Nadeau, Renee. “Fight for your right to party with Bigfoot, Yeti.” The Berkeley Beacon. 27 Oct. 2005. <http://media.www.berkeleybeacon.com/media/storage/paper169/news/2005/10/27/Lifest yle/Fight.For.Your.Right.To.Party.With.Bigfoot.Yeti-1038191-page2.shtml>

“Cryptozoology Symposium: Out of Time, Place, Scale.” Bates College. 28 Oct. 2005 <http://www.bates.edu/x66592.xml> “Bigfoot Lives!” Gridskipper: The Urban Travel Guide. 02 Feb. 2006 <http://gridskipper.com/travel/portland-me/bigfoot-lives-157059.php?mail2=true>

Chase, Stacey. “On Bigfoot’s Trail.” The Boston Globe. 26 Feb. 2006 <http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/02/26/on_bigfoots_trail/>

Pescovitz, David. “Maine Mystery Beast sideshow banner.” BoingBoing: A Directory of Wonderful Things. 13 Oct. 2006 <http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/13/maine- mystery-beast-.html>

Pescovitz, David. “Maine Mystery Beast banner to be donated to Loren Coleman’s museum.” BoingBoingL A Directory of Wonderful Things. 15 Oct. 2006 <http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/15/maine-mystery-beast-.html>

Skelton, Kathryn. “A man and his (weird) museum.” The Lewiston Sun Journal. 06 Oct. 2007 <http://www.sunjournal.com/story/232974- 3/MaineNews/A_man_and_his_weird_museum/>

“A peek at the goodies inside the International Cryptozoology Museum.” The Lewiston Sun Journal. 06 Oct. 2007 <http://www.sunjournal.com/story/232975- 3/MaineNews/A_peek_at_the_goodies_inside_the_International_Cryptozoology_Museu m/>

“Cryptozoological Biographies: Loren Coleman.” Cryptozoological Realms. n.d. <http://www.cryptozoology.net/english/biographies/bios_c.html>

“Loren Coleman – Cryptozoologist” Homestead.com. n.d. <http://www.homestead.com/WinterSteel/LorenColeman.html>

“Loren Coleman.” The Red Pill. n.d. <http://redpill.dailygrail.com/wiki/Loren_Coleman>

“Loren Coleman.” Scifipedia. n.d. <http://scifipedia.scifi.com/index.php/Loren_Coleman>

Compiled by bibliographical researcher Corey Chimko, November 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cryptozoo (talk • contribs) 22:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Loren. Yes, commenting on the Talk page is exactly the correct way to go. Editing your own article is discouraged except the most basic of facts - see the Wikipedia:Autobiography guideline. It looks like you've violated that guideline in the past, but never mind, the past can't be changed. I suspect authors will try to incorporate some of the stuff you've listed into the article. But be patient. We're all part time editors, so the wheels often turn slowly. Peter Ballard 01:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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MSW

I assume the MSW after his name refers to Master of Social Work, but I'd rather not link it without proof, which I can't find online. Totnesmartin (talk) 12:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Message for Loren Coleman

If you are editing here, please cite all primary sources on your cryptomundo website, such as the newspaper, TV news outlet, radio news outlet, even originating info (police reports, that kind of thing)., or people will think that you, cryptomundo, etc. will be considered unreliable sources for use here, related encyclopedia websites. Thought you should know this, since we know you edit this article from time to time. 65.163.117.250 (talk) 17:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Is it really him, or just a fan? --Twinsday 02:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Why are you telling LC how to edit when he shouldn’t be editing his own page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postalchicky (talk • contribs) 01:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Recent Deletes

Recently a lot of the article was deleted. I haven't gone over it all, but by and large I agree. Lots of what was deleted appeared to be straight out of Coleman's web site - or an uncritical summary of his web site. For that stuff, a link to Coleman's web site is adequate. This article should only have stuff from 3rd party sources. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd have much rather we had worked with what was here and where sources were needed they should have been tagged as such. The article was gutted and if anyone thinks that the current version is an improvement on what was here previously then I'd be surprised.

I'd also query the reasoning behind the deletions, blogs are allowed when they are from an expert (which Coleman is - in both fields) and those there were to demonstrate the breadth of his coverage. It was far from perfect and needed a lot more sources - the need for these sources should have been flagged and editors could have worked to find them and I'm sure if asked Coleman could have proved details of press coverage (as he obviously reads the article). (Emperor (talk) 15:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC))

Re: Recent Deletes

Despite original citations, references, and embedded links that were in the entry, placed there by people other than myself, it appears that my biographical Wikipedia entry has been expunged, on or around November 28th. The entry here contained information from my work in the research and writings in school violence, teen suicide prevention, and the copycat effect, as well as the cryptozoology work and writings. That has all disappeared. Wikipedia editors, with fine-tuning by my corrections, had done a rather good job of keeping a detailed, fair and balanced entry. I was sorry to see just one disgruntled fan can take down the whole passage. By the way, the entry here was not full of information that can be obtained "straight out of" my websites. It contained primary-sourced, nicely-linked material created by you guys. Sorry to see it go, as it was a great one-stop bio for those students wishing to write a report about a "cryptozoologist" and more.

Best wishes ~ Loren Coleman

peacockery and COI

I haven't looked at this article for a good long while (my odd interests eventually looped me back to it) but the problems it had have been repeated, deleted, re-instated and worsened. The POI problems are a matter of record. From a wikipolicy standpoint, much of what's here is either non-notable and/or unreferenced. I've done some pruning until we're down to accomplishments that are both public and verifiable. DavidOaks (talk) 03:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Did some further cleanup, though, reviewing the history, I see that I have simply replicated work by a number of responsible editors. Please review guidelines on notability and verifiability before restoring deleted (or additional) material, and use the talkpage to explain your decisions. It will simply be purged again unless its notability and third-party RS verifiability can be documented to wikistandards. DavidOaks (talk) 03:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

POI? Do you mean COI, as in conflict of interest? The series of edits seems good to me. I'm curious if the COI tag is really needed, though, now that we seem to have remedied the situation. Surly it's not something that is intended to stay with an article forever? ClovisPt (talk) 15:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I meant COI, thanks (cognitive implosion between COI & POV). I think you should go ahead and remove the tag, and let's see if the issues persist. DavidOaks (talk) 16:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've removed the tag. Thanks for taking the time to improve the article. ClovisPt (talk) 17:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Good Faith Edit by ClovisPt

ClovisPt quite reasonably undid an unexplained deletion of info by an anonymous IP. Checking that IP's contribs, it looks at least possible that the deletion was done by LC himself. The info deleted, while available on the web already, tends towards TMI for WP:BLP and withholding it, while not universal practice, is not entirely unreasonable. However, I will not be offended if I am overruled by ClovisPt or anyone else. DavidOaks (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds very reasonable. I simply assumed the IP was randomly removing text as an act of vandalism. If Mr. Coleman, or anyone else, feels that any aspect of the article is inappropriate, offensive, or too revealing about its subject, I would urge them to comment here in addition to editing the article. Regards to all, ClovisPt (talk) 23:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Other that removing my birthdate and personal information, a long time ago, I think the characterization that I deleted information is incorrect. My entry use to be long, detailed, footnoted, and unique. It appears to have been destroyed and deleted by vandals. ~ Loren Coleman, Portland, Maine, March 17, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.161.213 (talk) 22:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Sources

It isn't like we are short on sources so I did a quick Google and will drop the links in.

Cryptozoology:

• [1], good bio
• [2], good bio too
• [3]
• [4]
• [5]
• [6]
• [7], needs access
• [8], his creating the "Myth or Real" collecting cards
• [9]
• [10]

Museum:

• [11]
• [12]
• [13]

Copycat effect:

• [14]
• Colleges confront shootings with survival training, The Guardian, August 26, 2008
• [15]
• [16]
• [17]
• [18], needs access but looks to be very useful
• [19], needs access but seems to offer free trial

General anomalies (as he writes on Fortean phenomena too):

• [20] on the Mad Gasser of Mattoon
• [21], Evil clowns, I have also never seen that from Google before

General psychology (it appears he is also rolled out when they need an expert on the psychology of sport too):

• [22]

Feel free to throw in anything you find. (Emperor (talk) 18:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC))

Just for reference purposes this is the most recent untrimmed version and there may be things in there that can be sourced and added back in. (Emperor (talk) 19:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC))

Gender

This article, from the Toronto Sun, implies that Coleman is actually female: [23]. Since "Loren" could potentially be a unisex name, I'm not sure either way. Stonemason89 (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

His website seems unequivocal about him being male.[24] --Avenue (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I've seen photos of him with a beard, so he's either a guy or we're going to have to add a Sideshow attractions cat...DavidOaks (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Toronto Sun is pretty reliable, though, isn't it? --AlexHOUSE (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I'll read WP:RS. --Twinsday 02:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

No, it's a tabloid. Also, Loren Coleman was not the subject of the article. I'm not surprised they got his gender wrong. -- Avenue (talk) 08:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

A message from the real Loren Coleman

I'm not sure who is deleting and changing the entry at Wikipedia for me, "Loren Coleman, the cryptozoologist," but please note, I was born July 12, 1947, in Norfolk, Virginia, to a Navy father and a stay-at-home mother. Why people would want to change this to 1945 and Detroit is beyond me.

You can reference my books (http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2010/12/lorens-books.html), my website (lorencoleman.com), my cryptozoology blog (cryptozoonews.com), my twilight language blog (http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/), and the nonprofit museum I founded (cryptozoologymuseum.com) for more details. I respect Wikipedia and do not edit my entry here, due to the conflict of interest rules you have.

But I must say, the incorrect changes are not appreciated.

Best wishes, Loren Coleman lcoleman@maine.rr.com Twitter: @CryptoLoren — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.255.249.31 (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I have corrected the error, for now... Continued vigilance will be required to ensure that the information stays correct. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

++++ From Loren Coleman... Added reference: http://www.encyclopedia.com/article-1G2-3483100040/coleman-loren-1947.html

List of books, 2015: http://www.cryptozoonews.com/books-loren/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.176.182 (talk) 14:38, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Early Life and Education

I just wanted to do a quick summary of the sources or lack there of for Coleman's Early Life section. Maybe people with more resources than me can find sources where I can't

• place of birth, residence, and highschool: the old link is dead however someone with a newspapers.com subscription might be able to find the source here
• SIUC: citation verifies he did attend and get a degree
• Simmons College of Social Work: can't find a source
• Brandeis & UNH: can't find sources
• "New England universities": can't find source
• Edmund S. Muskie School of Public Policy: I've found a Muskie School of Public Service and Coleman appears to have some affiliation with that university but I can't verify what his position was or when he was there

Contrawwftw (talk) 04:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay I found another source where it says he worked for the University of Southern Main so it probably is that school. However it's after 1996 so the timeline's still fuzzy Contrawwftw (talk) 04:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)