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Date	Process	Result
June 14, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed
August 20, 2024	Peer review	Reviewed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 26, 2024.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that during the "trial from hell" Matthew Charles Johnson and his co-accused hurled abuse at the judge and threw human excrement at a member of the jury?

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According to the disambiguation guidelines, the criterion to naturally resolve any ambiguity in an article title is preferred to using parenthetical disambiguation. This draft should be re-titled "Matthew Charles Johnson" as that appears to be the subject's birth name and would be a better choice than using a parenthetical disambiguator. Also, if parenthetical disambiguation must be used, then it also needs to be precise and enduring. The subject's status as a prisoner is only temporary, as he could be released on parole after 32 years, or might die in prison, and if either of those events occur, he would no longer be a prisoner. However, having been convicted of murder, and receiving a life sentence for that crime, he could be classified as a "murderer", since this is the crime he appears to be most notable for. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cameron Dewe: Thank you for letting me know, I'll keep this on board when publishing to namespace. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 11:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Matthew Charles Johnson killed Victoria's most high-profile prisoner, Carl Williams, while in the state's highest security prison unit? Source: paras 3, 249 - [1] and para 1 - [2]
- ALT1: ... that during the "trial from hell" Matthew Charles Johnson and his co-accused hurled abuse at the judge and even threw human excrement at a member of the jury? Source: https://www.theage.com.au/national/inside-the-trial-from-hell-20021214-gduxig.html
- Reviewed:

Moved to mainspace by GMH Melbourne (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

You need to remedy that {{no lead}} tag before this can go anywhere.--Laun chba ller 05:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Launchballer: I completely forgot about that, I'll get on to it now. GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Launchballer: Done GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Matthew Charles Johnson's middle name can be removed from the hooks if need be. GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 06:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article is new and long enough. Sourcing looks good though Earwig found a handful of word-for-word similarities with "theage.com.au" source. A minor issue with each of the proposed hooks: ALT0 says that Williams was Victoria's most high-profile prisoner - the body of the article supports that but the sources seem to claim he was just a high-profile prisoner. ALT1 says they threw feces at a member of the jury but the article and sources only say "excrement". Both hooks are interesting however. QPQ is not required so just need hooks fixed and that should be all. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS: Thank you for taking the time to review! I have reworded the article in most cases where Earwig's Copyvio Detector identified an issue but I think a lot of it falls under WP:LIMITED, or are quotes. Let me know if this needs to be addressed further. In paragraph 249 of that source, it mentions Williams as the "highest profile prisoner in Victoria". I have changed the wording of ALT1 from 'feces' to 'excrement' — GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very sorry, totally forgot about this nom. Missed the "highest profile" bit in that source so thank you for that info. Both hooks look good so we are GTG. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Arconning · (talk · contribs) 08:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Matthew Charles Johnson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: GMH Melbourne (talk · contribs) 12:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 16:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Arconning (talk) 16:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GMH Melbourne Here are my comments for now, hope they can be addressed. Arconning (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning: Done, I have made all the suggested changes below (here).

RE Guessing "para" means paragraph, would suggest for it to be spelled out, most style manuals say to shorten it "para." (chicago, Harvard p2, APA). I couldn't find anything in wikipedia's MOS. Let me know your thoughts. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and MoS

Lead and infobox

criminal offending, criminal offences.

Early life

9 August 1973, add comma at the end.
who channelled his , and channelled his.
from the age , at the age.
I suggest changing year 7 and year 10 to the spelled out versions of the numbers.

Criminal history

terms in HM Prison Pentridge., in to at.
Spending adulthood, add After before the statement.
Barwon Prison, hyperlink to HM Prison Barwon.
to be not guilty , omit to be.
house whilst the occupants, replace whilst with while.
Would suggest changing pled guilty to pleaded guilty.

Murder of Carl Williams

to the Corrections Victoria, remove the.
police officer, Paul Dale, remove comma.
Many prison staff, and top-level Victorian, remove comma.
trusting Williams' wishes,, remove comma.
was released on parole, add comma at the end.
then dragged Williams', change dragged to drag for consistent tense.
as "fanciful" and , remove as and add a comma at the end.
Johnson as saying–, I suggest changing the endash with a comma.

Life inside prison

Capitalize "The" in "The General".
He is the leader of the gang, "Prisoners of War",, would rewrite to He is a leader of a gang named "Prisoners of War"
He is the leader of the gang, "Prisoners of War", and writes poetry about his time inside jail., remove commas.
conviction of murdering, conviction for murdering.

Images

Images have proper licenses and are suitable. If a free image of Johnson is available, it should be uploaded

Refs

Guessing "para" means paragraph, would suggest for it to be spelled out.
Sources seem reliable.

Spotchecks

Reference 6 seems so-so, per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Conditional pass.
Reference 18 seems good.
Earwig's not working, wait for check.
- Seems good.
Manual check, seems alright.

Misc

No ongoing edit war, focused and broad on the topic. Nothing out of the ordinary, pass.

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GOCE c/e notes

During my copy-edit, I found there is a fair bit of uncited text in the section "Criminal history". I also noted some uncited direct quotations within that section. I have marked these texts with [citation needed] tags. Because this is a Good Article and a biography of a living person, we must be mindful to properly cite texts. Per good article criteria, good articles are required to comply with BLP policy.
I also noticed two primary sources are used; one is the judgement in the case of Williams' murder from the Supreme Court of Victoria; the other is the investigation into Corrections Victoria relating to Williams' death. According to WP:BLPPRIMARY, court records and transcripts must not be used to reference BLP articles; these sources should be replaced with, or at least augmented with, secondary sources.
Why didn't the GA reviewer notice these issues? If these matters are not addressed within a reasonable time, the GA status of this article should be removed. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]