Talk:Namkhai Norbu

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Article has been kept following this VfD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I added a parenthetical (Mind Emanation) next to 'mental manifestation' since the term Mind Emanation is a specific technical term in Tibetan Buddhism (an individual can reincarnate in any of three types of emanation, Body, Speech or Mind -- and these three types of emanation can reside in different individuals); The phrase 'mental manifestation' sounded (to these ears) like 'hallucination' which was (probably, hopefully) not the intent. Zero sharp 18:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Links

Linking needed, I've done a bit... Dehbach 18:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Photo

I have added two photos of Chögyal Namkhai Norbu, from my own collection. I release them to the public domain. Please ignore the (C) copyright watermark; i didn't have the time to find my original non-edited images (which are of a huge size.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio81 (talk • contribs)

Nyingma & Bon traditions of Dzogchen

Does Chögyal Namkhai Norbu follow both? This is not clear. Sylvain1972 16:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Nyingma & Bon

ChNN's teacher, Changchub Dorje, received transmissions both in the Buddhist lineage of Dzogchen, started by Guru Garab Dorje and also in the Bön lineage of Dzogchen (from Shardza Rinpoche).--Klimov 17:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Article Expansion and Consistency

I've added introductory info, a bio box, and lots of information and citations. The article still needs some work and more citations, particularly the section now titled "Teaching Dzogchen in the West."

Throughout the available biographical material for Namkhai Norbu, there is some discrepancy in dates and what age he was when various events occurred. For consistency I have kept with the dates and ages given in the bio info contained in The Crystal and the Way of Light, which is an excellent book introducing Norbu and his teachings of Dzogchen.

JuniperFuse (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Rupert Sheldrake?

I don't know of any connection between him and Namkhai Norbu, so why is he in the list of internal links? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.113.73 (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Rupert Sheldrake made a dedication to Rinpoche in The Rebirth of Nature: New Science and the Revival of Animism or whatever it was called...Sheldrake's Missus is a shaman~sound*light~worker and consorts *hehehehe* with the Jewel of the Sky...

Aerodynamically shaped Australite, Australian Tektite.

B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu was born in Derge (Eastern Tibet)

In 1938 - when Chogyal Namkhai Norbu was born - Tibet was not part of China and at that time the current PRC didn't exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fronteretro (talk • contribs) 20:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Sorry, didn't pay attention to the date. Yworo (talk) 02:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

As I already pointed out[1] when I added the information, Derge was administered as part of the Republic of China's Xikang province (actually before 1939 it would be western Sichuan "Chuanbian Special Administrative Region", my mistake), which non-Tibetans considered to be outside of Tibet, and which was under control of the Chinese Nationalist governor Liu Wenhui. The translator's introduction to The Lamp That Enlightens Narrow Minds (North Atlantic Books, 2012) by our very own Chogyal Namkhai Norbu (p.3) points out that Derge was under Chinese control from 1911-1919 (and centuries before the fall of the Qing); occupied by the Dalai Lama's troops from 1919-1932; but the invaders were expelled by Liu after that time, and all territory east of the Yangtze River, although sometimes inhabited by ethnic Tibetans, was controlled by Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Government, and not the Dalai separatist regime. Shrigley (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you for the very detailed explanation. I will make sure the several different places in the article where the information is repeated are updated as well. Yworo (talk) 19:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro meant instead?

In the "Early Life" section, it is stated that one of the people Namkhai Norbu received teachings from when young was "Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche," and this links to the lama-filmmaker born in 1961. Since Namkhai Norbu was already well into his forties and teaching himself at the time Dzongsar Khyentse would have begun teaching, I feel it's unlikely to be him but possibly his previous incarnation? - Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro. (Apologies: I don't know how to add the links to these pages yet, as I am brand new to this...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Impossible finding a user name (talk • contribs) 04:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the change - confirmed by <http://www.dzogchen.org.au/index.php?page=chnn>, which is Namkhai Norbu's organization. --Impossible finding a user name (talk) 03:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Appropriate personal name usage within article

@Revirvlkodlaku: Regarding possible "overuse of full name" (edit summary here), I'm not sure that MOS:LASTNAME (cf MOS:GIVENNAME) universally applies for Tibetan names. "Norbu" is not actually a family name (see WP:Naming conventions (Tibetan)#Personal names).

@Skyerise: I see that WP:Naming conventions (Tibetan)#Personal names happens to cite the page Gyaincain Norbu, which uses the name "Gyaincain Norbu" throughout the main text (albeit with judicious use of pronouns, per MOS). 86.186.120.241 (talk) 08:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

That's fair enough, but is there a compelling reason to use his full name instead? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I think major differences in the ways names are assigned and used among Tibetans do provide compelling reasons for different usage on Wikipedia, broadly per WP:Naming conventions (Tibetan)#Personal names. A somewhat broad-brush analogy might conceivably be referring to Revirvlkodlaku on a Wikipedia page just as "David". I'm not sure using the name "Norbu" by itself is the more appropriate option here (ping @Skyerise: for an independent, informed opinion). 86.186.94.245 (talk) 14:20, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I think that's totally valid, and I'm glad you pointed it out. I'll wait to see if Skyerise has anything to add, and then I'll likely change it back to the way it was. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It's true that Tibetan names don't really fall into first/last or given/surname in either Western or Eastern forms. However, publishers typically divide the name - Norbu, Namkhai - as does the Library of Congress. One hears him referred to in the Tibetan Buddhist community as just Norbu Rinpoche, though I must say I never heard him referred to in this way while he was alive. Due to these factors, I've got no preference for either presentation. How other Tibetans should be treated is probably best approached on an individual basis - full names tend to be used while a lama is alive in order to distinguish lamas with similar names. But that doesn't apply here... Skyerise (talk) 19:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Sikkim

@Skyerise: Hi, about this revert. We do use "from" cats where a person has settled or resided as one. Considering this in the article would it not qualify?

"Because of the turmoil and aftermath of the 1959 Tibetan Rebellion, he could not return to Derge from Sikkim, so he stayed as a refugee in Gangtok, working as an author and editor of Tibetan literature for the Chogyal government from 1958 to 1960. It was here that he met with the Italian Tibetologist Giuseppe Tucci. Also during his time in Sikkim, he met and received teachings from the XVI Gyalwa Karmapa."

Thanks Gotitbro (talk) 11:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: Typically this would call for a "Tibetan expatriates in Sikkim" or even "Expatriates in Sikkim", but neither category exists. Skyerise (talk) 11:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)