Talk:Red junglefowl

Taxonomic/naming issues

http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=176085 says that Gallus gallus is junglefowl while Gallus gallus gallus is red junglefowl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.79.114 (talk) 15:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Discrepancy with Poultry article

In the chart of "Types of Poultry" for chickens in the poultry article, the "Domestication" columns states that chickens were domesticated in China in 3000 BC. However, this article states that chickens were domesticated from the Red Junglefowl in India. So which is it? These two articles appear to conflict.

I found in some article a note that remnants of cages similar to what are still used for birds somewhere in the Burmese jungle, had been found in some dig in India and been dated 7000 years back (5000 BC), but I didn't find confirmation to this. Domestication however is another matter, wild fowl may have been kept too. 91.153.57.244 06:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

"Genetic evidence from Indian red jungle fowl corroborates multiple domestication of modern day chicken" (2008) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2474866/

Snazzattack (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Image

Photo needed!! Shandris^{the azylean} 19:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

chicken or the egg?

Hey so does this mean the chicken came first or the egg? # BROWNSAY SOMETHING!!! | 01:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

status

why is the Jungle Fowl listed as least concern when there is a documented section about them facing extinction due to genetic contamination? One or the other needs to change- I am in favor of changing the status to something closer to the extinction end of the spectrum. Wcbpolish (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The species' conservation status shouldn't be changed unless it is on one of those lists. However, since it is not, I think that section needs to be reworded - the species may be facing 'a great problem', but not necessarily extinction. Andyo2000 (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Mismatched dates

There appears that there might be a problem with the dates in the domestication section. First we are told that domestication occurred at least 5400 years ago (about 3400BC) then we are given a date for the 'earliest undisputed dometic chicken remains' of 5400BC (about 7400 BP). I followed the citation given, and that article also contains this discrepancy. It seems likely that it is a typo given the other information in the article and the fact the same number (5400) is given twice. The source gives a citation for the 5400BC date, but I am unable to find that online. The source is: Journal of World Prehistory June 1997, Volume 11, Issue 2, pp 103-160: Current issues in Chinese Neolithic archaeology, Anne P. Underhill

Perhaps some one with better resources could follow this up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.207.146 (talk) 21:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The latest research as of 6 June 2022 suggests a much more recent date of domestication, i.e., only 3500 BP, in what is now Thailand. Ref:

Peters, J., Lebrasseur, O., Irving-Pease, E. K., Paxinos, P. D., Best, J., Smallman, R., ... & Larson, G. (2022). The biocultural origins and dispersal of domestic chickens. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 119(24), e2121978119. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2121978119

Pop science articles covering that journal article and the general topic of when and where:

• https://www.science.org/content/article/how-wild-jungle-fowl-became-chicken

• https://www.newscientist.com/article/2322932-we-may-now-know-when-chickens-were-domesticated-but-not-why/

• https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/researchers-pinpoint-date-when-chickens-were-first-domesticated-180980212/ Webbph (talk) 13:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

More info

These two studies appear to be closely related, deliberately published simultaneously, and include many of the same authors.

Peters et al PNAS 6 June 2022

• Peters, J., Lebrasseur, O., Irving-Pease, E. K., Paxinos, P. D., Best, J., Smallman, R., Callou, C., Gardeisen, A., Trixl, S., Frantz, L., Sykes, N., Fuller, D. Q., & Larson, G. (2022). "The biocultural origins and dispersal of domestic chickens." Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 119(24), e2121978119.

• https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2121978119

• 13 authors, mostly Germany and UK

• "we assessed archaeological occurrences and the domestic status of chickens from ∼600 sites in 89 countries by combining zoogeographic, morphological, osteometric, stratigraphic, contextual, iconographic, and textual data. Our results suggest that the first unambiguous domestic chicken bones are found at Neolithic Ban Non Wat in central Thailand dated to ∼1650 to 1250 BCE"

Best et al Antiquity 7 June 2022

• Best, J., Doherty, S., Armit, I., Boev, Z., Büster, L., Cunliffe, B., Foster, A., Frimet, B., Hamilton-Dyer, S., Higham, T., Lebrasseur, O., Miller, H., Peters, J., Seigle, M., Skelton, C., Symmons, R., Thomas, R., Trentacoste, A., Maltby, M., Larson, G., Sykes, N. (2022). "Redefining the timing and circumstances of the chicken's introduction to Europe and north-west Africa." Antiquity, 1-15. doi:10.15184/aqy.2021.90

• https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/redefining-the-timing-and-circumstances-of-the-chickens-introduction-to-europe-and-northwest-africa/0797DAA570D51D988B0514C37C2EC534

• 21 authors, mostly UK

• "the authors radiocarbon dated 23 chicken bones from presumed early contexts. Three-quarters returned dates later than those suggested by stratigraphy" Webbph (talk) 14:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Two internal discrepancies

1. In the section on sexual dimorphism, the first line says that both males and females have combs, but the last line of the first paragraph of the section says that females lack the comb.

2. The Conservation-status side bar at the right side of the page says the jungle fowl is of "Least concern," but the last line of the article says the jungle fowl in its pure form is threatened with extinction because of hybridization with domestic birds. Perhaps there should be a clarification about survival of the wild-type form vs. that of the species as a whole, which is largely comprised of domestic varieties.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmmeiss (talk • contribs) 18:52, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Nepal?

Red Jungle Fowl can find in Nepal also. But there are no any article until now about this. --58.147.132.230 (talk) 06:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Request review of source

I can't find any reference to the max of 18 eggs per year, or any citation of number of eggs per chicken in the source 28 : {Citation/title=Breeding ecology of red jungle fowl (Gallus gallus) in Deva Vatala National Park, Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan ( retrieved 8 October 2020 )|url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316846785_Breeding_ecology_of_red_jungle_fowl_Gallus_gallus_in_Deva_Vatala_National_Park_Azad_Jammu_and_Kashmir_Pakistan}

Turbelette (talk) 20:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Done. There's no such claim in the source and it seems highly doubtful that such a figure would exist. -- Fyrael (talk) 22:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Domain should be everywhere humans are, not just South Asia

File:Gallus_distribution.jpg is ridiculous! Chickens are even more colocated with humans than rats. 141.239.252.245 (talk) 02:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)