Talk:Roman Herzog

"Rentnerdemokratie"?

• Der deutsche Bundestag von 1949 bis 2008 hat doch die Rentnerdemokratiegesetze erst geschaffen.
• Dies haben auch alle CDU Bundespräsidenten und alle CDU Bundesverfassungsrichter von 1949 bis 2008 nicht nur unterschrieben, sondern haben auch alle Gesetze, die heute erstens 90.000.000.000 Euro kosten und zweitens die 40.000.000.000 Euro für Zinseszins (4% Leitzins der ECB) der Staatsverschuldung nicht als grundgesetzwidrig erklärt.
• Selbst die Ausweitung dieser Gesetzeslage zu gunsten aller 55 bis 110 Jährigen im Rahmen der Förderalismusreform I wurde von den 448 Bundestagsabgeordneten von CSU CDU SPD (Kriminelle Staatsgewalt/Polizeigewalt/Beamtengewalt) beschlossen.
• Die staatlichen Finanzämter und staatlichen Sozialkassen sehen doch nur noch die "gutgefüllten Bankkonten" der Arbeitgeber der Deutschen Wirtschaft und der Deutschen Industrie (DAX-Konzerne).

195.8.205.132 (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

In which country was Herzog born?

Dear bender235, you are right, it was officially called the German Empire 1871-1943. But on enwp the article German Empire only covers the period until 1918. The article Nazi Germany covers the period between 1933 and 1945. The article Germany covers the period which started on October 3, 1990. Therefore I wrote that Herzog was born in Nazi Germany. As you could see, I hid "Nazi Germany" in favour of "Germany". I will change it back now. And I want to tell you one more thing: if it is like you reason, then we will have to make changes in thousands of articles and we will not do that. If somebody goes to the article about Herzog and wants to know more about the country he was born in, I want this person to end up on the article about Nazi Germany, since that article contains information about the country in which Herzog was born. Calle Widmann (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's useful to link to an historic epoch as country of birth. This "birthplace" param should only be used for locations and regions, which—in Herzog's case—would be "Landshut, Bavaria, Germany", not "Landshut, German Empire", let alone "Landshut, Nazi Germany". We might request a third opinion on this. ––Bender235 (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Look at the article about Nazi Germany! Whatever one might think about it, the art of the article is as if Nazi Germany was a country. The article is not about an epoch, it's about a country. And, if you win, which article is about that geographical area 1933-1945? The answer is that no other article is about that geographical area during that period. Ok, let's create one then, but what shall we call it? The article about the German Empire does not cover the period after 1918. And, again, if you win, we will have to change thousands of articles. I agree with you, it's not useful to link to an historic epoch as country of birth, but, as I have said before, the character of the article called Nazi Germany is the one of an article about a country. I also think that we should put Bavaria there. And I think we should hide Nazi Germany like this: Germany. As I said, whatever we might think of it, Nazi Germany is the only article taking care of that geographical area between 1933 and 1945. Calle Widmann (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

If it like you reason, we also have make changes where it's written that Nazi Germany occupied different countries. An epoch cannot occupy a country. I write this to show what consequenses your reasoning has. Calle Widmann (talk) 20:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Please do a "search" on Nazi Germany here on enwp and look how this notion is used! It is used as if it was a country. It's like that in many, many articles. Calle Widmann (talk) 20:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, take a look here: Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Country_of_birth. Calle Widmann (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

IMO, I would only use Nazi Germany if it was an area not in Germany that was under direct Nazi control during WWII (i.e. not a puppet state). If it was in the area that was Germany before the war, then "Germany" should be used. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Please have a look about what the article Nazi Germany is about. It's about the country from 1933 to 1945. And that's not what you have said on Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Country_of_birth. That means Hitler didn't die in Nazi Germany and neither Anne Frank? Calle Widmann (talk) 21:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it's exactly what I said at the centralised discussion, because I was asked about Prague, not somewhere that was in Germany proper. The country was not called Nazi Germany - it's like referring to Norman England - it's a period in time where the Normans were in charge. пﮟოьεԻ 57 07:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. Let me put it this way: if I want to know more about the country in which Herzog was born, where do you then go here? You go to the article Nazi Germany, because no other article in this project covers Germany during the period between 1933 and 1945. I want to say one more thing and that is that I know what countries were called during different periods. That is not what this discussion is about. And I think that if someone was born in England in, let's say 1086, there should be at least a link to the article about that country, whatever the name of the article is (in that case that would be a link to the article Kingdom of England). I want you to observe that I don't want Nazi Germany to be seen in the article about Herzog and I have never wanted that, but I want the link to go to the article about where Herzog was born and he was born in Germany in 1934 and the article that covers Germany in the year 1934 is called Nazi Germany. I say it once again: I think that the link should be to that article, but it should say Germany in the article about Herzog. I have seen that in many, many articles that I have never edited, so this is not any new idea that I have come up with. If we change that we will have to change in thousands of articles. One more thing: do you mean that in for example 1944 Prague was in Nazi Germany and Dresden was in another country? Calle Widmann (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Prague during WWII was not really in any country, because Czechoslovakia had, for all intents and purposes, ceast to exist, whilst no-one except a few German allies recognised German sovereignty over it - therefore I think Nazi Germany, or Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia are the best ways to describe the situation. Dresden on the other hand had always been in Germany, so there's no need to elucidate which era of German history. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. First of all I want say that politically, Dresden was not in Germany before 1871. But that's not issue here. I see that you don't comment on anything else of what I have written and that makes me believe that we agree on the other things. Calle Widmann (talk) 21:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, I was wrong about Hitler and Frank, but what you write is that Germany became Nazi Germany the second the army crossed the Polish border. That does not make sense at all! Calle Widmann (talk) 22:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

While I as a German do not object to phrases such as "Nazi Germany murdered the Jews, invaded Poland, etc." (that being a bow to innocent and Mitläufer Germans that they did not cause the atrocities), there is no such country as "Nazi Germany" nor was there in any year between 1933 and 1945.--93.133.225.255 (talk) 10:24, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Herzog as President

Did Roman Herzog do anything as president of Germany? This article doesn't mention a single political position, let alone any accomplishments as president. It is just personal data... Didn't he have a presidency? Stevenmitchell (talk) 06:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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Death date

Is this really necessary? Even the German WP article says unambiguously he died on 10 January. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:13, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The family announcement says "10 January": [1]. The place where herr Herzog died is according to most sources a hospital in Bad Mergentheim (see also the official Bundespräsident-website: [2]). The family announcement says "Jagsthausen", but they likely mean the place where he lived. GeeJee (talk) 09:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

And now this. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:37, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Co-author of a commentary on the West German constitution

I don't see that mentioned. The co-author needs to be named, too. --L.Willms (talk) 19:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)