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• 07:44, 12 March 2008 MZMcBride (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Temperate climate (csd g6)

This may have been related to merger efforts over several years. See merger discussion involving Temperate climate, Temperateness, and Middle latitudes. The discussion at Talk:Temperateness was closed in September 2012 (after 3 years with only 3 statements). This merger hasn't been completed despite a consensus finding. Some of those involved in the discussion may no longer paja active on Wikipedia.
See also Temperate climate: Revision history

• 16:46, 6 July 2008‎ RussBot ‎ m . . (27 bytes) (+4)‎ . . (Robot: Fixing double-redirect -"Temperate" +"Temperateness")
• 04:20, 26 August 2004‎ Rvollmert ‎ . . (23 bytes) (-1,315)‎ . . (redirect to Temperate, where this has been merged)

This page has been recreated to attract interest and involvement from WP:WPMET.
SBaker43 (talk) 06:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Appropriate recreation and support merge from temperateness and middle latitudes. Temperateness would seem to be a more general term and strikes me as rather odd as a title. It does have references which should be included in a merge. Middle latitudes could be retained perhaps as a more general geography concept if rewritten - current content is climate and would better fit under temperate climate. Vsmith (talk) 15:24, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I've merged the information in Temperateness into a copy of this article. The results are available at User:Watchwolf49z/sandbox. All I've done is include the citations and some in-line linkage. I'm proposing this copy be made the main article here and the Temperateness article be submitted for deletion. I've left Middle latitudes alone as that is part of WikiProject:Geography, and I'm not in a position to say the climatic information there shouldn't be. I'm only trying to serve the merge call, and this should cover it for now. Watchwolf49z (talk) 15:13, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

With no objections raised, the merger is done and the call is cleared. Watchwolf49z (talk) 02:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Reverted changes to the translations, doesn't look right Watchwolf49z (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

-- "merge" of the two or more articles consists of two stages: merge the content of the article and merge of history of changes ([1] and [2]). This second step: merge of history of changes , the administrator must perform. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello, the colours for the Iberian Peninsula are not correct. How can the south and southeast of Spain be represented with a green colour while the southern part of Portugal being represented as subtropical? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.92.32.63 (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

what is more, how can be Northern Italy regarded as subtropical while SE Iberia (nearly desertic) placed in the temperate zone?. It doesn´t make any sense.Florian Blaschke (talk) 11:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

You need to pay attention to altitude as well. Southern Spain is largely mountainous, Northern Italy is very low-lying. Also, temperate climate is defined by temperature regime, not precipitation. Temperate regions can be arid, for example steppe, semi-desert and desert regions in Central Asia. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 11:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Subarctic

Subarctic climates are definitely not temperate. Maybe they are in the temperate zone, but not temperate.

therefore maybe you need to create a separate article for the temperate zone and a one for temperate climates. דולב חולב (talk) 15:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

This is more complicated. Subpolar climates are in the temperate zone if we are to take the classical "tropical - temperate - polar" approach. As for a "temperate climate", there are different definitions for that. According to Trewartha, climates can only be temperate if they have 4-8 months over 10C (so both subpolar and subtropical climates are not temperate). Köppen's definition is generally broader but also more restricted; a temperate climate needs to have at least a month over 10C (subpolar oceanic climates are included), but also winters above freezing (i.e. continental climates are not temperate, and neither are subpolar continental ones). This page uses Köppen, and therefore it includes the subpolar oceanic zone. Uness232 (talk) 17:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. But the article includes subpolar continental climate דולב חולב (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

You're right, I missed that. I've removed the section. Uness232 (talk) 20:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

It seems there is a more severe conceptual confusion happening on this page. It purports to be a Köppen-related article, but mixes all sorts of definitions together from different classifications. One of two things have to be done; either this becomes a Köppen page or a broader one. A similar problem to the one we've been having over at Humid subtropical climate. Uness232 (talk) 20:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Given that there are different climate classifications apart from Köppen (with Trewartha being the second most used), I'm not entirely sure making this a Köppen-only article is a good idea as I do think other classifications for temperate climates (or at least Trewartha) could be mentioned at least briefly alongside Köppen. But I definitely think a separate article for the temperate zones is needed because temperate zones are different from temperate climates. Broman178 (talk) 11:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair, but that would be part of a larger discussion at Talk: Humid subtropical climate. We need to think about what these climate pages ought to be, how much weight is due to Köppen and other climate classifications. Uness232 (talk) 13:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Continental climate

Continental climate isn’t temperate. It is the opposite from a temperate climate: “The Köppen climate classification defines a climate as "temperate" C, when the mean temperature is above −3 °C (26.6 °F) but below 18 °C (64.4 °F) in the coldest month to account for the persistence of frost.”

why is it shown in the article of temperate climate? דולב חולב (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Because this article is confusing Köppen "C" with "climates associated with the midlatitudes, both of which are called temperate depending on the context. Technically it needs a rewrite in that sense. Uness232 (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

You also have to consider the fact that two sources in the article (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jjRKDwAAQBAJ&q=continental+climates+temperate&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=continental%20climates%20temperate&f=false & https://lisbdnet.com/what-are-the-four-temperate-climates-2/) do actually support continental climates as being temperate climates (possibly due to the fact that continental climates lie in the temperate zone and have four seasons like most other temperate climates) even though the Köppen classification considers it separate - that was something I actually noted when I included the book source into this article. And there are other classification systems used apart from Köppen, such as the Trewartha climate classification, but it so happens that Köppen is the most commonly used climate classification system. It might also be worth noting that in the Trewartha system, there is a continental climate called "Temperate Continental" (Dc).

I think the only way to truly solve this is by creating a separate article for the Temperate Zones sometime later, similar to Tropical climate and Tropics. But I'm not quite sure whether continental climates should be fully removed from here because as I said above (maybe at the very least, reduced to a brief mention), the two sources in the article do support them as being temparate climates even if the Köppen classification doesn't recognise it as such. And I don't think making this a Köppen-only article is a good idea. Broman178 (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Bad description

@Uness232 Hey the description of what a temperate climate is, in the first paragraph, is not very good, and not describing well of what a temperate climate is. Temperate climates actually known as having a small temperature range compared to hot deserts or a continental climate. דולב חולב (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@דולב חולב Yes (though not for hot deserts, the high temperature ranges of hot deserts are usually diurnal not seasonal), but the comparison is between temperate and tropical climates, in which this wording, while not perfect, holds up. "Four-seasonality" diminishes as one goes southward, as polar air intrusions become less and less frequent and intense as one moves through the subtropics. Uness232 (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)