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Russian connection

Does anyone know the details of the Imperial Russian diplomat who was allegedly so imressed with the railway station that "Vauxhall" (or "Voxhol" or whatever) became the Russian word for railway station? Something like that anyway. P Ingerson 21:05, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

See the article on Vauxhall the nearby area of London - is there a need for a more direct link from this article? User:Lang rabbie 22:22, 29 Dec 2004

Thanks. But the Vauxhall article is too vague -- no details about the names of the diplomats, or anything like that. Hoped I'd find more details in this one. Oh well. P Ingerson 07:30, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

EXactly. It is not only russian word, though. Russian - вокзал. Estonian - Vaksal. Ukrainian - вокзал. Mari - вокзал. Don't know more, might be similar terms in other languages that were part of the russian empire too. This subject should be part of this article too. It had large international impact - and more is written about nearby subway stations than that. After all - there may be alternate theories, but in these regions most people who know the connection know the railroad station mistake (in some versions it was not mistake, but intentional as the Vauxhall Station operated better than other stations) and the Vauxhall pleasure halls theory is dubious as in that case the Pavlovsk station should have become вокзал. It is the station anyone would look first like I did. - Melilac (talk) 07:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty sure that it was the Tsar Nickolas himself, who stayed at Vauxhall, absorbing the culture. It is the same time they converted their foot to match the English foot. Wendy.krieger (talk) 11:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've dropped a source into the article explaining this connection. In the days before turnstiles and ticket barriers, and before interconnecting corridors on all trains, the easiest way to check tickets was to stop at the last station before the main terminus, and get a guard to go and visit each coach to check them. So every train from the south west stopped at Vauxhall. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes (as with Vauxhall) the tickets were collected (not just checked) at the last actual station; in other cases, a "ticket platform" would be used for the same purpose. This was something like a station, but with no public access to or from the street - people attempting to get off there would be deterred by the ticket collector. Of course, this could take some time - consider four carriages, each with eight compartments, and ten seats in each compartment - 320 tickets to check. No surprise that with increasing suburban traffic they went over to using barriers at the terminus. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Bradley's "Railways - Nation, Network and People" has a pretty good description of that. I'm beavering through the book at the mo. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: Clinker, C.R. (November–December 1948). "Ticket Platforms and Ticket Collecting". The Railway Magazine. Vol. 94, no. 578. Westminster: Railway Publishing Company. pp. 403, 409. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:47, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Were there no Oyster cards in Tsar Nicholas's day then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amakuru (talk • contribs) 23:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, he touched out over 100 years before the Victoria line turned up... Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Also the source has been removed already. VKZY^LUFan (talk) (Mind the Gap!) 02:09, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Things I can't find sources for

There a couple of opinions about Vauxhall that I've heard from people, but I can't find any good sources beyond comments in TripAdvisor. Since Eurostar services moved from Waterloo to St Pancras, everyone who gets a train into Waterloo (and there's a lot of them) who wants the Eurostar has got to get on the tube network and change at least once to get to St Pancras. A possibly faster route is to get off one stop early at Vauxhall, get on the Victoria line, which as well as being one of the faster lines, drops you at St Pancras without having to change. The only problem with this is that if you've got lots of luggage, getting from the elevated national rail platforms to the tube platforms is a pain in the neck, with lots of steps and awkward corridors. If I can find good (or even reasonable) sources, I'll drop that lot into the article. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is definitely a good piece to write about. On the neck pain issue, I think the lifts will help anyway. The whole station is step-free now...unless there’s more steps on the streets which I’m not aware about. References definitely cant help :( VKZY^LUFan (talk) (Mind the Gap!) 16:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

As discussed at Talk:Vauxhall station/GA1, the claim that Vauxhall bus station is the second busiest in London is cited to a 13 year old source, which is probably now out of date. A new source is required. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:00, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Must be more to say than this

I came to the article to find out why platforms 5 and 6 are always closed - and we actually have very little on the trains and the platforms they go from. There must have been more written about this station than this!

Where was the milk depot? What's there now? When did it close? This doesn't feel like a good article as it lacks so much information. Secretlondon (talk) 21:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the "Things I can't find sources for" section further up. What are your sources of information? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 07:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Needs splitting?

This is actually about 2 (or 3 stations). The railway station and the tube station are different stations. The code of Vauxhall railway station is VXH, the code for Vauxhall tube station is VUX. The article links to the wikidata entry for the tube station. Isn't it normal to split stations like this? Secretlondon (talk) 14:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think you're right. The Infobox says "managed by South western railway", which isn't true for the tube station. Looking at Paddington, it even has separate articles for the two bits of the tube station. — Amakuru (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

However, Blackfriars station, Cannon Street station, Charing Cross railway station, Finsbury Park station, Marylebone railway station, Moorgate station and London Waterloo station all include the mainline and tube entries. For the "man in the street", Vauxhall is simply an interchange between one TfL-run line to another; indeed I've used it to travel from northeast to south London on occasion as it's quicker and easier than going via one of the mainline terminals or other intermediate stops like Balham. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 07:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]