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Israeli POV

While we should indeed mention the Israeli narrative, things have changed a bit with the 2024 ICJ ruling. Essentially the court has ruled that all these reasons for holding on to the West Bank are without any legal foundation. Before, this was subject of debate but that debate is over for all practical purposes so it needs to be clarified somehow. Selfstudier (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add the Hebrew name of this area please "Judea and Samaria"

It is missing, and it very important part about this area 147.235.196.127 (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. See WP:WESTBANK. Selfstudier (talk) 20:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WESTBANK addresses terms for the West Bank in English. I believe that the WP:COMMONNAME in Hebrew is "יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן" ("Judea and Samaria"), as reflected in both Wikipedia and Wikidata. (Yes, the calque "West Bank" exists in Hebrew, as pointed out in WP:ARBPIA2 but, from what I've read, in Hebrew that's the one viewed as having a (Jordan-centric) POV.) Assuming some would object to "יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן", a possible compromise is to use "אֵזוֹר יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן" ("Judea and Samaria Area")—see WP:WESTBANK rule #5. Dotyoyo (talk) 08:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is English Wikipedia. No end run around WP:WESTBANK by way of a different language. Selfstudier (talk) 10:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Legality of occupation

@BarrelProof: [1]: Top UN court says Israeli occupation of West Bank and East Jerusalem is illegal Makeandtoss (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC source does actually make it clear that the occupation is illegal, so I don't understand that part of the edit summary but there is a problem with "since 1967", at the outset, the occupation itself would not have been illegal but became so with the passage of time (no intent to leave and all the other reasons given in the AO). That part needs fixing up. Selfstudier (talk) 08:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what part of the edit summary you're referring to, but I agree with you. The sentence in the Wikipedia article that I changed said the occupation has been illegal since 1967. The cited source does not say that and the ICJ did not declare that (AFAIK). My edit converted a false statement into a true statement. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier: I don't think we need attribution for the ICJ, top authority on international law, in the opening paragraph. A good middle ground would be ".., whose continuation is illegal under international law." Makeandtoss (talk) 07:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind either way, for me the point is that issue is finally resolved because it is the ICJ. At some point, sources may simply report the illegality as a fact without referring to to the ICJ, do we have any of those yet? Selfstudier (talk) 09:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier: It was reaffirmed in addition to having been resolved, as RS have long described the occupation as having become illegal. Yes, we have at least one: [2]: "In fact, the US moved its embassy to West Jerusalem, despite Israel’s continued illegal occupation of the eastern half of the city, in 2018." Makeandtoss (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although RS have long described the occupation as illegal and that was a significant view, there were dissenting views. Agreed that no longer matters, just that I would prefer but do not insist on, because it will likely take a little time to sink in, more RS just straight up saying it. One is however sufficient so if you want to do away with the attribution I won't object. Selfstudier (talk) 11:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the attribution. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian flag

Doesn't its inclusion here violate WP:NPOV? Shoshin000 (talk) 08:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How? Selfstudier (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a disputed area, and the State of Palestine is a partially recognized state.

Kashmir for example does not have a huge Pakistani or Indian flag on its page, as it would give an impression of partiality to a reader, thereby undermining the absorption of information. Shoshin000 (talk) 08:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Readers are not stupid children. It most certainly does not violate NPOV. Israel does not claim it is part of Israel, it is administered as occupied territory. It is part of the State of Palestine. Israel is also a partially recognized state and a disputed area for some people. That has nothing to do with it. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair points. I'll leave this here however: According to a 2020 report by Gallup based on data from the U.S. Department of Education, 54% of adults in the United States lack English literacy proficiency.

Anything that gives an impression of partiality should be avoided imo. Shoshin000 (talk) 09:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maʽarávit

who says "Maʽarávit"? It's Maʽaravít. 2600:8800:2C09:3200:A5F7:4504:20BC:DAB8 (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit

@Nableezy: I think you had mistakenly reverted my edit while reverting the sock. [3] Makeandtoss (talk) 09:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]