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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Crotalus (liturgy)

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... that joyful bells are replaced by a sad wooden rattle for three days a year? Source: Reviving the Tradition of the Crotalus: Liturgical Instrument of the Easter Triduum
- ALT1: ... that Sephardi Jews could pass off their ceremonial gragers as Catholic matracas? Source: When the Spanish Inquisition expanded to the New World
- ALT2: ... that the crotalus replaces altar bells during the Paschal Triduum? Source: Catholic Encyclopedia
- ALT3: ... that bells are replaced by a wooden clapper for three days a year?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Montserrat

Created by Pbritti (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. I do though wonder...is a rattle a sad sound? I don't find it inherently carries a specific implication of sadness. The source doesn't think it's specifically sad ("incongruous jarring sound"). From my own research, Eamon Duffy describes it as "an astonishing clapper device like a football rattle", without suggesting it has a sad sound. I would suggest rephrasing that one word and corroborating it inside the article, and then I'd be happy to pass. Blythwood (talk) 21:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Blythwood: Would you be more interested in the first alt? If not, I'll get right to fixing that first one. Thanks for the tips! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Pbritti, thanks for the message! I'm fine with the general thrust of your first-choice hook, just that one word which I think could be rephrased or given an extra citation. Up to you if you want to substitute. Blythwood (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Blythwood: I would prefer to substitute. The first was a vain attempt at humor. That falling flat, the relation to Jewish history is a little more interesting to me. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Pbritti, OK, if you prefer. Happy to pass ALT1. I do slightly prefer the original first-choice hook if you wanted to rephrase it, since it feels more general. Blythwood (talk) 23:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Blythwood: hmmm, if that is so,

... that some bells are replaced by a wooden clapper for three days a year?
The source being the same and Catholic Dictionary from Attwater. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

That's great too! I've put that in as ALT3 and happy to pass on ALT3 also. Blythwood (talk) 09:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)