Template talk:Chinese Communist Revolution sidebar

Reason for creation

I've created this sidebar to help link pages associated with/important to the Chinese Communist Revolution. SilverStar54 (talk) 05:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverStar54: Hi, I have a problem here, do we really need to use these colors? I mean, most templates are not in this pattern. ときさきくるみ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 00:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, according to the article now, the revolution ends at the establishment of the PRC, could you please explain why many events thereafter have been included? Thanks. ときさきくるみ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 00:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tokisaki Kurumi Hello! I'm fine with changing the colors. I was modeling this template off of Template:American Revolution sidebar (using Chinese colors instead), but I agree that the effect is a bit gaudy.

As far as the inclusion of events in the early 50s, I think they're directly relevant to understanding what the revolution's immediate goals/results were. An analogous example is the Template:History of Iranian Revolution, which includes the Cultural Revolution in Iran and the Iran hostage crisis under "events", despite the fact that they came after the revolution itself. I admit there's room for interpretation there, so if there's a specific event or events that you think fall too far outside of the "immediate aftermath" then let's discuss.

Also, I'm fine with removing the secret societies but the reason I included them was not because they were communist themselves, but rather because they represented the rural unrest that made the peasantry receptive the the Communist message. SilverStar54 (talk) 03:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the sidebar ... I also do not have a good idea, considering that the communism sidebar has also been changed many, many times before and after, perhaps it would be more appropriate to add only a red bottom edge?

This is actually a very interesting topic, and someone should write about it: in the view of most European trade unionists, the communist revolution in Russia has deviated very much from Marx's original vision of the workers alone holding up the whole revolution, while the Chinese revolution is much more peasant-oriented than that. Someone should summarize all this, which hasn't been done in both Chinese Wikipedia and here. ときさきくるみ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 13:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About styling: I took a look at Category:History and events sidebar templates and tried to reformat this sidebar to match the best examples I found.

And I agree. There should definitely be a "historiography" section on the Chinese Communist Revolution article talking about how historians (including Marxists and others) have responded to the differences between orthodox theory and the events of the revolution. SilverStar54 (talk) 20:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This looks fine, good work!

Yeah, so ... When do we start? ときさきくるみ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 21:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]