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Broj sedista na zvezdinom stadionu

Cao, samo sam hteo ovde da potvrdim da su sva tri izvora koja sam postavio na Red Star Stadium potvrdili sedeci kapacitet izmedju 51.000 i 52.000 (prosecna cifra je 51,328). Ali neki lik ih stalno izbrise i postavlja 55,000, i to jeste nekada bio tacan broj ali trenutno to je preteran, kao i u slucaju sa mnogim stadionima u Srbiji-znas kako to ide, mi srbi uvek volimo da preteramo ovo i ono. Mozemo li da se slazemo? Za svaki slucaj nisam uredio clanak treci put da ne bude frke sa ostalim urednicima Zastavafan76 (talk) 20:48, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Tempo

Našao sam predsezonski broj Tempa i imaju sastave svih timova za prvenstvo 1990-91. Čini mi se da imaš već ovu ali rekoh da te pitam.

poZzZ.

Tempo21 (talk) 02:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

JAO pa molim te mi reci da mogu da ostanu ovi za U20 i U21!? Kome da se obratim da objasnim zasto bi trebalo da ostanu. Pa i Englezi i Nemci imaju za U21. A to za U20 pa bili smo prvaci sveta to je znacajan templejt. Sad sam video portugalski, ne znam sta reci sem HVALA TI DO NEBA. Hteli su da izbrise, spaso si me i jako obradovao! Javi sta da skeniram iz Tempa i odma skeniram.

Tempo21 (talk) 05:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Pa otkud znam kako se zoves haha. LOL oops.

Tempo21 (talk) 03:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Našao sam kamaru interesantnih članaka ali nište o ovom što tebe interesuje (strani igrači u našoj ligi).

Tempo21 (talk) 03:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Fahrudin Gjurgjević

Ma shvatam sve to ali kako kad Makedonci nemaju slovo ć već ḱ a Gj pišu kao Ǵ i ǵ.

Verujem ti, znam da znaš šta radiš ali me interesuje što bi imao ć u naslovu.

Poz!

Tempo21 (talk) 20:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Imaju ovde ta slova kao sto je ḱ ali vidis da izgleda kao neprirodno slovo kad se latinizuje.

Tempo21 (talk) 23:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Đ or Gj

You raise a very interesting point and I can tell you that this is not the easiest to explain. First of all, me personally, I have always romanised Macedonian consistently with the Gaj alphabet with which you are familiar in Serbian. So Ѓубрето во вреќата would become Đubreto vo vrećata (slang: the rubbish in the bin-bag). Certainly in Yugoslav times this was the standard and if you examine some of the pre-1991 road signs across Macedonia, you'll find Ćafasan and Sveti Đorđe (Ќафасан и Св Ѓорѓе). I believe that the switch to Kj/Gj has become more rife since independence but I believe there is no true standard, not least because Macedonian is most widely written in Cyrillic. Either way, Gjurgjević is wholly inconsistent, it employs one feature from the modern arrangement and another from the previous. On the whole, /kj/ is seemingly undesirable for end place characters so my preference is the Gaj script all the way - just bearing in mind that Macedonian also has /ѕ/ (trans. dzvezda). Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 00:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Đurđević and Djurdjević are largely one and the same - /dj/ being an accepted alternative. Gjurgjević contains inconsistency. Djurdjeviќ, Gjurgjeviќ or Gjurgjeviќ are fine, except the final /ќ/ is unadopted in any of the world's Latin-based scripts. Just looking at the character, it is clear that it has been drawn from Macedonian Cyrillic. It is technically an illegal character in any Latin script as to look at it, you see it is a capital K shrunk, rather than a small /k/. This is rather like the Icelandic thorn - they are using it on Wikipedia but it is not supposed to be used on any official document outside of Iceland as it is not a property of the 26-letter standard Roman alphabet, it is romanised as "th". Ǵokić also presents inconsistency. As Latinic is not widespread in Macedonia, as with Bulgaria, few really know the transliteration solution and the correct codes. In Bulgaria you get Nesebar, Nessebar, Nesebur or Nessebur (Несебър). Thanks for enlisting my help, but I am not a competent adjudicator on this one, and like all things Macedonian - it is a chaos!! :) ----Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 16:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

1991 - stranci u YU-fudbalu

Pozdrav!

Evo šta sam uspeo da iskopam do sada, nadam se da nemaš već.

OFK Beograd

• Oleg Karavajev - SSSR +

Hajduk Split

• Eduard Abazii - Albanija +
• Jirži Jeslinek - Čehoslovačka +

Sarajevo

• Sergej Prudnjikov - SSSR +

Lokomotiva Mostar

• Viktor Derbunov - SSSR - found him: Viktor Derbunov

Budućnost Valjevo

• Genadij Sašenko - SSSR - found him: Gennadi Soshenko
• Aleksandar Minojev - SSSR - found him: Aleksandr Minayev/Aleksandr Minayev (born 1958)

Sloga - Petrovac na Mlavi

• George Jordan - Rumunija - Gheorghe Iordan
• Dimitru Drindea - Rumunija
• Stefan Dimitru - Rumunija - Stefan Dumitru

Budućnost - Srpska Crnja

• George Muresan - Rumunija
• Deac Olimpiu - Rumunija

Palić Subotica

• Mihail Demčenko - SSSR - ?Ovaj: Mikhail Demchenko?

Jedinstvo Bečej

• Branimir Pavlov - Rumunija

Bregalnica Delčevo

• Ivan Berbatov - Bugarska - Haha, tata od Dimitar Berbatova!!! Evo ga: Ivan Berbatov
• Venko Đorđev - Bugarska

Mladost - Bački Petrovac

• Jozef Urlah - Čehoslovačka
• Juraj Varga - Čehoslovačka

Morava Ćuprija

• Georgi Bogdanov - Bugarska
• Nikolaj Zojkov - Bugarska

Bentos Kriva Palanka

• Ivo Dimitrov - Bugarska - ?Ovaj: Ivan Dimitrov, rodjen 1972.?

Jagodina

• Cvetko Ivanov - Bugarska

Vršac

• Alberto Emanuel - Rumunija
• Romeo Malak - Rumunija

Kumanovo

• Evlogi Čorlev - Bugarska
• Plamen Vasilev - Bugarska

Tiverija Strumica

• Todor Parnakov - Bugarska
• Vasil Terziski - Bugarska

Mačva Šabac

• Juri Gazajev - SSSR - Evo ga: Yuri Gazzaev

Budućnost Alibunar

• Kiril Kostel - Rumunija

Budućnost Hodošan

• Kem Tibor - Mađarska
• Lazlo Svelec - Mađarska - Evo ga: László Svélecz

Jadran Poreč

• Gabor Barani - Mađarska

Radnički Novi Beograd

• Minča Minčev - Bugarska - Evo ga: Mincho Minchev

Radnički Svilajnac

• Bev Lulin - Bugarska
• Kiril Petrov - Bugarska

Borec Titov Veles

• Kostadin Angelov - Bugarska
• Valentin Čakarov - Bugarska

Senta

• Šandor Kovač - Mađarska - Ovaj Sándor Kovács (rodjen 1959) ili Sándor Kovács (rodjen 1963).

Timok Zaječar

• Jordan Kostov - Bugarska
• Hari Kazakov - Bugarska

Eto brate, da ne misliš da sam zaboravio hehe. Odlučio sam da iskopam za tebe pošto si car pa aj' i ja da budem haha. Sve najbolje!

Evo i reference za navedenu informaciju.

Tempo (Serbia magazine) #1338, pgs. 2-3

Tempo21 (talk) 19:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Dodao sam posle imena linkove onih igraca koje sam nasao ili ovde na wiki da imaju clanak, ili na Playerhistory vebsajtu. FkpCascais (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Rafael Carioca

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Barnstar

Hvala Filipe, drago mi je što sam te obradovao! HVALA za barnstar! Moj prvi! Jel bih mogao to da postaviš kod mene na profajl? Da se hvalim malo haha. Htedoh da ti pošaljem mejl pošto ume da bude smarajuće dopisivati se ovako haha ali sam zaboravio kako da ti pronađem mejl.

Moj mejl je ljubitelj_zabavnika@hotmail.com (haha znam, yes I'm serious). Pošalji mi ako hoćeš/kad budeš mogao.

Veliki pozdrav!

PS.

Izvini što se ne javim odmah nekada. Nekad mi se baš radi na Vikipediji, mogu satima a nekad me baš mrzi haha treba mi kreativan momenat.

Grobari Portugal - Gravediggers Toronto 1987 :D

Tempo21 (talk) 21:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Irfan Vusljanin or Irfan Vušljanin

Hej Kaškaiš. Upravo gledam Rad-Novi Pazar. Na svakoj utakmici Pazara koje sam gledao do sada, komentatori kažu Vusljanin a čini mu se mu i piše na dresu?

Poz!

Tempo21 (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Sad sam video. Na dresu mu piše Vušljanin. On je kapiten a ne Emir Lotinac.

Tempo21 (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Ne piše od kada do kada su igrali ali je to časopis iz oktobra 1991. tako da mislim da bih mogao komotno da napišeš 1991-1992 ili jednostavno 1991 i da bude tačno. Naslov teksta je Jugoslavija - obećana zemlja! :(

Tempo21 (talk) 12:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Interesantan podatak.

„Hajduk je uz Čeha Jiržija Jeslineka doveo iz Albanije Eduarda Abazija. Prvotimac Dinama iz Tirane zaigrao je u gradu pod Marjanom a za njegov nekadašnji tim angažovano je pojačanje iz Jugoslavije. Kadri Krasnići prvi je jugoslovenski fudbaler koji je zaigrao za neki tim iz Albanije. Obukao je dres baš Dinama iz Tirane.

Kako nam kaže Dušan Maravić, sekretar Međunarodne komisije FSJ, ne postoje propisi koji ograničavaju broj ovih igrača u našim timovima.

Nažalost, vreme je takvo da su sasvim zamrle ili su čak i pokidane veze u pojedinim savezima. Slabi su, ili nikakvi, kontakti između istočnog i zapadnog dela zemlje i teško je doći do ovih podataka. Zato je moguće da ovi spiskovi nisu precizni ali u ovakvim uslovima teško ih je bilo drugačije sastaviti”.

- Tekst napisao: Milorad Ljubisavljević

Tempo21 (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Diacritics

A bit outside your usual edting region, but we are discussing a diacritic issue here and I thought you may be interested to add your view. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Antonio Vojak

he was born in Pula, I see his surname written in a lot of different ways, do you think it can be Vojak, Vojach, Wojak, Wojach or what? It's a surname typical from what area of Croatia? Knowing the true surname and his area would help me to find news about his first years in career.. thank you very much! 93.56.45.94 (talk) 17:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, in Serbo-Croatian it would certainly be Vojak. Serbian, Croatian and Slovenian don´t have W in their respective alphabets, however, Croatian and Slovenian do use them in foreign names, while in Serbian W is transliterated to V. With regard to k, the same applies, if his original surname was written with ch, in Croatia and Slovenia it would stay as ch, but in Serbian it would be transliterated into what it sounds, in this case k, so I would bet his original form was k.

But anyway, I think that it may well be possible that Vojak was the original form, as the surname sounds Slavic in origin, and the other versions would probably be an Germanised forms, probably used in Austrian newspappers as such. I´ll try to see if I can find more about him, but Vojak seems to be the correct form. FkpCascais (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Lucas António Silva de Oliveira

I'm afraid that "Lucas" in NK Domžale was Jefferson Lucas, would you like to check the exact match this archive refer to? If these 2 matches were played in 2005, that Lucas was for sure Jefferson Lucas, as Lucas António Silva de Oliveira was active in Mexico. Matthew_hk tc 18:13, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. Transfers register leaves no doubts. Great discouvery! The mistake sems to be that Slovenian league official website for some reason wrote "Lucas da Silva" so that was the reason of the confusion. I also makes perfect sense, as all 3 players that winter moved from Londrina to Domzale. Great job Mat! FkpCascais (talk) 19:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

...avoid linking it?

Hi FkpCascais,....I just reverted IP to last version by me...sorry for deleteing your WL (empire) on Stephen II...--Kebeta (talk) 15:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I later noteced that it was overlinked, and... sorry, silly edits anyway :) FkpCascais (talk) 16:07, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

But, why the "multi-ethnic" description of the Empire? I mean, I understand that it comprehended more lands than just the "Serbian" ones, but we don´t usually name all territories in that situation as "multi-ethnic". I mean, I understand the sentence at bottom of the paragraph, but insisting twice? FkpCascais (talk) 16:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Don't know why....you could say it was "multi-ethnic" but I personally don't see a purpose for that...that was probably copy-paste by somebody...Regards, Kebeta (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Red Star vs Rennes

Thank you ! Much appreciatedd, I haven't been here for a while and been very busy...I'll try my best to contribute as before. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 16:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Just stopping by to say hello :-) Timbouctou (talk) 18:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks Timbu! Hehe, the beer really looks great. FkpCascais (talk) 19:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

A reply

A reply on my discussion page. Pantagana (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Stefan Spirovski

The players on the other notables list are the ones who have been regulars in the past but are not on the team now for various reasons. Spirovski has only made one cap for the senior team but there are guys ahead of him who have made frequent appearances but are not in the latest squad. Spirovski is on the U21 team. As for the five players at each position, I don't think the list should be too long (since there is not a lot of depth) so I just added 3 keepers and five position players for the other areas (defense, midfield, and attack).

Timothy Batabaire

Well, it's that simple: He never played in Serbia. There is exactly one "source" on the internet that claims he did and that is nationalfootballteams.com

--Thuglife99 (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

You just have to dig a little deeper and use logic. The key here is to find articles that were written between 2003 and 2005 when the player is said to have played for the Serbian club and the wikipedia entry did not even exist yet. Articles that were written like 5 years later or so and claim that he played for Nis likely got their information from nft or the wikipedia article itself.

To avoid confusion the player joined Celtic in October 2004.[1]

This article [2] from 2003 has him playing for Villa, so has this one [3] from a about year later. This is exactly the time span when he is said to have played in Serbia but he is twice listed as a Villa player.

This article from 2004 confirms that he joined Celtic from Villa and not from Nis. [4]. Same thing here [5]. Still no mention of him joining from Nis or having played for Nis at all. Same thing here. [6] All of his former clubs are mentioned. Except one. Odd...

Also his profile on weltfussball.de has no mention of him playing in Serbia either [7]

And if youre still not convinced: Just google Timothy Batabaire OFK Nis and set the custom range from 2003 to 2004.

This is just another case where a website (nft.com) makes up stuff or simply confuses players and everybody else (playerhistory) just copies it.

Cheers, --Thuglife99 (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Btw, who says that nft is a more reliable source than weltfussball.de? [8] Makes no sense to me. Do you work for nft? At least weltfussball.de does not use bogus stats --Thuglife99 (talk) 00:11, 27 September 2011 (UTC) Btw, who says that nft is a more reliable source than weltfussball.de? [9] Makes no sense to me. Do you work for nft? At least weltfussball.de does not use bogus stats --Thuglife99 (talk) 00:11, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Nft makes up stats. I'm not talking about La Liga or the EPL but smaller leagues. Check Musa Otieno's profile on nft [10]. He made 10 apps in 92 and 27 in 93? Please... These countries haven't even kept records on their own national team since their formations. rsssf.com doesn't even have the final table for the 92 Kenyan season. But perhaps somebody at nft had a season ticket for AFC Leopards in 1992 lol.

--Thuglife99 (talk) 00:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

He was "perhaps" on loan, "maybe" in early 2004 but "maybe" not is what you are saying. That is the problem... If there are doubts why not just leave it out... You should apply the same standard I think.

--Thuglife99 (talk) 01:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

get in touch re: yugoslavia articles?

FkpCascais: I am new to wikipedia, so am still trying to figure things out. Apologies in advance if I violate any protocols. I saw your discussions regarding all the World War Two in Yugoslavia pages and would like to talk to you about them and see where things stand at this point. It does not look like you have enabled people to email you. If I can figure out how to do so, I will enable people to email me. Or you can just post to me if you are interested. Regards, IWTH (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello. No problem, I am glad you contacted me. I supose you are refering to the discussions about WWII Yugoslavia, right? I beleave my email is enabled, well, at least people have been e-mailing me, I´m not sure if something has changed recently, anyway, my e-mail is filgood@sapo.pt Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 20:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Answer for Daniel Addo

Daniel Addo agreed with AEL in 2007 but he never signed contract due to problems with medical examinations.Jimmyscy (talk) 19:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Libyan player

LOL .. it can be a nightmare when trying to find information about lesser known Arabic players from countries who speak/write exclusively in Arabic (as opposed to say North African ones who also use French). For the player in question, never heard him and really there's tons of ways to spell his name, especially since Libya doesn't usually have a specific system to transliterate names. I googled his name in Arabic without the Kh. part (محمد منير عبدالسلام ) and didn't find anything with regards to a Libyan player, only an Egyptian inventor. I removed the Abdusalam part and added Libyan to it ("محمد عبدالسلام" ليبي) and still couldn't find anything. Interestingly, I managed to find a "Mohamed Abdussalam" in Ittihad Tripoli's CL squad for this season: [11] but not much more else. Anyways, if you remind me again tomorrow sometime (when I'm home), I can post a message on a Libyan football forum and see what kind of information I can get him. Let me know if you want me to do that. TonyStarks (talk) 04:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

The name can be any combination really, since all 3 names can be first or last name. Just looking at it though, I'd go out on a limb and say that his first name is "Mohamed Almonir" and last name is "Abdussalam". Sorry I couldn't be of too much help, cases like this are real tough. TonyStarks (talk) 05:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

No more "priority" in WikiProject Biography

FYI... There hasn't been a "priority" variable in WikiProject Biography for a couple of years. For footballers, it has been replaced with "sports-priority". Bgwhite (talk) 06:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for letting me know. To be honest, I must have copy/pasted it from some older article using the same projects, and usually afterwords I do the necessary corrections. I´ll remember from now on this one. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 06:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

wikipedia italiana

ciao, dovresti per favore mandare un messaggio al progetto calcio di enwikipedia per raccomandare agli utenti del progetto di tradurre al più presto (come diciamo noi, "prima di subito") tutte le voci che a loro possono interessare.. per una delle solite decisioni a dir poco discutibili dei politici italiani (e poi all'estero voi vi lamentate dei vostri politici) c'è il rischio che passi una legge contro i blog che danneggerebbe pesantemente l'edizione italiana di wikipedia. Come puoi immaginare, non la stiamo prendendo per niente bene e siamo pronti a prendere decisioni importanti. Grazie per l'attenzione :). 93.56.58.185 (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

e grazie anche per la spiegazione su Vojak, che ho scoperto essere la parola slovacca per "soldato", il che apre altri scenari legati all'epoca dell'Impero Austroasburgico.. 93.56.58.185 (talk) 08:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Aspetta un poco, preciso sabere si io hano capiscato bene le cose que tu me hano detto perque no capisco bene la prima parte. Tu mi pede que io chiamo la attenzione nello WikiProject Football per la urgenza di tradurre tutti gli articoli importanti dalla it.wiki, certo? Il parlamento Italiano vore passare leggi contro gli blog, ma sonno relazionatta con il calcio e con la it.wiki? Questa leggi vai prejudicare gli articoli futbolistici dalla it.wiki? E questo il problema? Saluti. FkpCascais (talk) 01:57, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I asked to say other en.wikipedia users to translate every article they wanted, but today it isn't possible because italian wikipedia is out, every single article isn't available. Exact, italian politicians want a law against every blog abnd this could damage every blog and italian wikipedia, about everything, football, science, political facts, everything. 93.62.155.194 (talk) 08:15, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, that is bad. I see you already notified about this at Footy Project. FkpCascais (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

that is a real nightmare and we ignore what can happen in the future, so it can also happen italian wikipedia closes again :(.. so I really suggest to translate every article you find interesting right now because really everything can happen :(.. 93.56.42.250 (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Grb Kulskog Hajduka

Pozdrav. Da li bi mogao da zamenis grb kulskog Hajduka? Meni bas nije jos najjasnije kako se dodaju slike na wikipediji, dosta je to sve komplikovano, a i mrzelo me je da citam detaljnije :D A i poslednje vreme sam bio malo ovde, s' obzirom da sam dovrsavao svoj fakultet. Malo sam sada slobodniji, pa cu te cesce i cimati :D Inace ako imas neki savet prilikom uploada slika, sto se tice onih licenci i stvari, reci mi, posto sam ja nesto dizao vec na wiki pa su mi pobrisali.

Pozdrav Bora83ns (talk) 09:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Pozdrav, mislim da je vreme da lagano otvaras temu za zimske trensfere :) Jes da pocinje u Januaru rok, ali vec sad krecu neke price. Izgleda ce biti ovo duga i interesantna zima. Iskreno, ocekujem velike promene, i bitne. I naravno katastrofalne :) Bora83ns (talk) 10:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

A reply

A reply on my discussion page. Pantagana (talk) 14:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Did you read my reply? Pantagana (talk) 20:03, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Vladan Adžić

Just started a new article here. Feel free to add to it, I just didn't want a red link on the national Montenegrin team roll. There's a goalkeeper too that needs a link. Thanks FkpC. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know this. I won't be disheartened if it goes then but we'll wait and see what happens. Just to let you know if you haven't followed - Montenegro has qualified for Euro 2012!!!! Drew with England 2-2 coming back from 2-0 down!!! That's why my activity these past two hours has been quiet, was concentratring on the match! I'm over the moon!!!! Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:55, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Estonia/Serbia

Hi, haven't talked to you in a while now. The 2012 qualifying is ending and I'd like to hear some of your comments. It's all in Serbian hands now, if they win, they are in Play-offs. Did you see Serbia-Italy game, how was it? Is everything OK with hooligans, but still trouble with mafia? What do you expect from the last game and how are the chances? Anyway Estonian games are over, they made a really good tournament. Cheers! Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Bundesliga foreign players

You 're right, the list is now on line, but pretty incomplete, I did not have the time to finish it. Same for the Ligue 1 list I used to update. I don't have time to do this now. I wille try later. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Građanski

Hey man, thanks for the heads-up about Ringer. I haven't yet looked into the Henlein affair, I've been busy on several fronts recently around Wiki so I didn't have the time for it but I will look into it soon. That nasty affair at Talk:Social Democratic Party of Croatia swallowed up a lot of my time and energy. Anyway, keep feeling good, talk to you soon. Timbouctou (talk) 23:29, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Mario Gjurovski

I didn't follow Macedonian football back then but I find it hard to believe that Mario had 7 caps with Vardar at that time. I have never seen Mario Gjurovski affiliated with Vardar in any way so I don't know what source they used for that information that he has 7 caps. I'm with you, I don't think that information is right. It was probably a mistake.

re: WP:FOOTY

Hello FkpCascais. Unfortunately, I think it's unlikely that the other users are willing to compromise on the use of Estonia in the infobox. Since it's only an infobox, I'm not sure it's worth arguing further. I would object more to a person who wanted to use DR Congo instead of Zaire, but Estonian SSR and Estonia are nearly the same. I agree that they seem to be trying to erase the Soviet Union from the infobox, but readers ought to be able to find out that Estonia was part of the Soviet Union during that time by following the Estonia link (and the text of the article should certainly indicate that the person was born in the Soviet Union). Honestly, I can't believe they are working so hard to keep a historical inaccuracy in the infobox, and I can't justify fighting them on it any longer.

That user who created those international caps lists does appear to have some great sources, but I've never talked with him and don't know him. As you said, it looks like he may have retired which is a shame.

Best regards. I think you have the infobox issue right, but it's probably best to work on other areas where the editors are more cooperative and friendly. I simply avoid articles on many of the former Soviet Republics because they are patrolled by nationalists of one side or another and I don't like fighting with them. Jogurney (talk) 03:19, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Golden Team

An editor proposed the new title Hungary's golden team. Can you please express your opinion? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraere (talk • contribs) 08:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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Battle of Vukovar

Hey man :-) Several editors have been labouring over Battle of Vukovar article to get it featured and it got promoted yesterday. Now that it's featured the idea is to get it on the main page on November 18, its 20th anniversary. But it seems that there's a point system for that and the chances of the article getting on the main page might be improved the article existed in 20 non-English language Wikipedias (there's a more detailed discussion at Talk:Battle of Vukovar#Next steps: a call for assistance). The article currently exists in 17 other Wikipedias but Portuguese is missing and I was wondering if you could start the article at pt.wikipedia? It doesn't have to be long, translating only the lead section of the English version or even its summary would be enough. (If you could do it for Spanish as well that would be awesome). All the best. Timbouctou (talk) 00:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Source

I link valid source here; in chapter 3. "Rape of Serbia" (A Book by Michael Lees) you can read: Lees now believes that Winston Churchill's decision to abandon Mihailovic and throw support to Tito was largely the result of disinformation spread by British Communists, and sympathizers in the secret services and other agencies which endorsed the reports, and an enthusiastic recommendation of British officers who had been duped by Tito

http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins/tim91-2-1.html 3. "Rape of Serbia" (A Book by Michael Lees)

this book has a lot of reports on internet: read http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Serbia-British-Titos-1943-1944/dp/0151959102The author served as British liaison officer with the latter in 1943 and 1944. His memoir describes how Tito deceived Winston Churchill into believing Mihailovic was collaborating with the Germans, which resulted in the abrupt transfer of Allied aid from the Chetniks to the Partisans. The tragic upshot was that Tito then used Allied munitions against the Chetniks after the German retreat, launching an extermination campaign against thousands of rivals and potential enemies. The British prime minister, realizing too late his error in embracing Tito at the expense of Mihailovic, tried to intervene on the latter's behalf but was unable to prevent a Titoist court from convicting him of treason. Mihailovic was executed in 1946. Lees relates this grim story with unrestrained bitterness. His book is a powerful indictment of British wartime policy in the Balkans and an elegy for Yugoslav victims of Tito

other book focussed on disinformation: read http://www.amazon.com/Web-Disinformation-Churchills-Yugoslav-Blunder/dp/0151807043Martin provides much need insight into this poorly understood theatre of World War II - the Balkans. Using recently declassified British intelligence documents and radio transmission transcripts from the field, Martin builds a strong case for the defense of General Draza Mihailovich, the Serbian guerilla leader who was abandoned by the British in favour of the Communist leader Tito. British field documents show that Serbian Chetnik forces carried out large scale attacks against German and Croat Nazi units up to 1944 - long after they stopped getting Allied aid. Importantly, they continued rescuing downed Allied airmen, culminating in the rescue in June, 1944 of more than 500 US and British airmen who were evacuated by US Airforce aircraft from Serbia in an operation codenamed "Halyard" - the largest rescue in US Airforce history. All round a tremendous contribution to WWII history. I might add, that just last year, more than 50 years after the fact, the official British archives have admitted that Communist moles working for SOE (Special Operations Executive) manipulated and falsified field transcripts from the Serb Chetniks thereby resulting in official British support switching to Tito. Martin's thesis has been proven correct— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.126.34 (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Mihailović: Draft for new section on "Collaboration"

During the mediation, we agreed to discuss two additional topics on the article talk page: 1) Ethnic conflict and terror tactics, and, 2) Collaboration. The former was completed some time ago. Nuujinn has now drafted a proposed section on the latter subject. I am contacting mediation participants to see if they wish to comment. I've seen your recent comments on the article talk page, but thought that you might want to comment on the new proposed section. The draft can be found here. Any comments would be most appreciated. Sunray (talk) 06:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I apologise to all for my couple of weeks long abscence but I had a minor technological black-out~that ended up not being as minor as it seemed. I hope to catch everything as soon as possible. FkpCascais (talk) 02:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

November 2011

A thread that concerns you has been posted on WP:ANI [12]. Regards --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 07:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Portuguese sites - Reply

Olá FILIP, VASCO "aqui",

não, por acaso não colaboro com esses tipos. Gostava de poder ter sido de ajuda.

Abraços, bom fim-de-semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Notability

Greetings, I was hoping you could clear up the claim to notability of a few articles you created. At first glance, they all appear to fail WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. They are:

• Zlatko Đorić
• Vladan Kujundžić
• Stefan Zogović
• Boris Savić

Thanks in advance, and best regards. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, Zlatko Đorić played with Banat in the 2006–07 Serbian SuperLiga, and before his club was named FK Budućnost Banatski Dvor playing in the top league in 2005-06 and 2003-04. As I am missing his stats for the entire period at the club, 1999-2007 (I only have them until 2003), I left them blanked.

Vladan Kujundžić fails, as he never played in Serbia in top league. He was playing with Banat which looked promising to return to top flight, however they failed and he left. My mistake.

Stefan Zogović is part of FK Vojvodina, a top league side, however he keeps on being loaned, so still fails notability.

And finally, Boris Savić was part of two top league sides, Red Star Belgrade and FK Rad, but failed to make any league appereance with any of them. He was part of Bosnian U21 team, and here are his numbers: [13]. He played with Swiss 1. Liga (2 app.) but I am not sure that makes him notable.

Anyway, most of this articles I created some time ago when I was not so familiarised with policies, but thank you for letting me know about them and please feel free to PROD them. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 17:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. I've PROD'ed the articles as suggested. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Danny Barrera

No problem, drago mi je sto si pomagao. I think if your down we should try to change whatever policy prohibits making articles on players from the Montenegrin First League, I realize it is not a serious league but its players' profiles are at a degree where there should be articles about them too. They're pros regardless of how poopy their teams are. Balkanskiredneck (talk) 13:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Balkanskiredneck (talk) 13:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Diplomacy Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		for your constructive role in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia#Information and assistance in verbalization of mine sometimes confused or unclear statements MirkoS18 (talk) 00:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

jigidy migity wigidy nifity reakity frip!

Sorry for this dumb title of the subject. But anyways, producer just vandalized this page, [14] . Do you have any advice on how to not have nationalists ruining the page? What he did was vandalism and POV pushing. For example, what kind of joke is it to have a category as "Croatian Partisans" and not include that for most of the war their composition was mainly Serbian? At the same time, groups who contributed more and who founded the partisans, such as the Serbs and Montenegrins do not get their own section. How can this be neutral? What can be done if this vandalism and POV pushing from others continues? (LAz17 (talk) 03:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)).

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You are invited to help solve a problem. [15] (LAz17 (talk) 18:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)).

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Use of Latin

I want explain and maybe clear up misunderstandings away from the WP:Croatia page. The line "just view it as Serbian or Serbocroatian Latin" was not an expression of my personal views, it was an attempt at a bit of humour harking back to the previous arguments about the issue. I thought it would be taken in a light-hearted way, but obviously it was not. Also, I want to clear that I do not think "Serbian Latin" isn't used (it has to have a translation to Latin like every other script). It's hard to convey your thoughts in such a small space with limited characters, and I was trying to say that the official Serbian script uses Cyrillic, not Latin. I did not want to start anything negative with you over this. Regards. --Jesuislafete (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Thierry Ako

Just a heads up, I've PROD'ed this article that you created. The player in question has only ever played in Cameroon, and the lower divisions in Serbia. If I've missed anything please let me know. Cheers, and merry Christmas. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Savjet?

Trebam savjet kako da se postavim prema nedavnim potezima koje je napravio Direktor, čini mi se kao da je potpuno promijenio stav i da sad zagovara ideju IvanaOS koja je po meni vrlo očigledno destruktivna i incidentna. Vidim da si ga već obavijestio, da sad čekam ili da idem napraviti promjene prema postignutom dogovoru?--MirkoS18 (talk) 23:59, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year! All the best! Timbouctou (talk) 12:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks Timbou, all the best wishes to you too! FkpCascais (talk) 04:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I was under the impression that I should extend you my best wishes you on on January 7th, Fkp? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 07:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, that is no problem for me, whenever there is a party, I´m there :) FkpCascais (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Srecni praznici! :) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 09:01, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Holidays. :) (LAz17 (talk) 20:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)).

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Arbitration Enforcement

Per this AE report you are topic banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Balkans as outlined in the WP:ARBMAC decision, broadly construed across all namespaces, for six months. Any editing in this area can lead to blocks from editing. This is a highly disputed topic area and all editors are expected to refrain from tendentious editing in support of their side in such battleground disputes. I would suggest taking the break from the topic area as an opportunity to work in other areas of the project and improving collaboration with other editors. --WGFinley (talk) 05:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I was not able to spend much time these last week, but why am I being topic banned? Are you sure you read all diffs and analised it all well? Can you point even one policy I don´t comply with? Please. FkpCascais (talk) 06:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

There's a consensus of admins on the AE report that a topic ban is appropriate, I outlined my review of the evidence submitted on the case page. --WGFinley (talk) 06:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Where can I object this? I didn´t broke a single policy, I didn´t edit-warred while the other side did. FkpCascais (talk) 06:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

These were your review findings:

*Is in philosophical opposition to Direktor/Producer and frequently questions the credibility of sources though frequently without providing any of his/her own. Prime example: Talk:Yugoslav_Partisans#Content_dispute. FkpCascais pointed to this as example of violations by his opposition when all I can see is FkpCascais wants to remove sourced material in the article, the sources appear to be reliable to me (one of them is the BBC) but FkpCascais offers no sources to contradict those provided.

• Talk:Chetniks is another example of this behavior specifically Talk:Chetniks#Non-Serbian_Chetniks, I see FkpCascais doing a lot of objecting with no sources being supplied. I can see why the others get frustrated.
• Going to all the various venues including Jimbo's talk page is pretty egregious forum shopping and shouldn't be condoned in this topic space, these disputes spiral out of control just fine on their own.
• Has pushed pretty heavily for mediation, Direktor and Producer seem to be uninterested, that is their right, all parties have to be willing to mediate for mediation to be meaningful.

In light of these facts and prior sanctions I think a 90-day ARBMAC TBAN is in order.

Now, regarding the first point, we have been working with sources for 2 years now. If you notece, the users want to add an accusation of "ethnic cleansing" right in the lede section using a single BBC source. Such a heavy accusation cannot certainly be provided lede importance using only one non-scholar source without even mentioning the expression as such. This comes from an earlier discussion that you are not aware of, where these same concerns are expressed about the lack of wide-in-use description of the events as such by the scholar community (you can´t just find a source saying "cleansing" and turning it into a "the did ethnic cleansing" if the case is that scholars don´t agree about such a description).

Resumingly, I opposed, the other users took days to bring other sources, and once they did, the discussion came to an hault, with the other side having their text version in place, and me not edit-warring at any time. I discussed, the other users brought more sources, no one edit-warred; so where did I procede wrong?

Regarding the second point, that discussion is part of the wider discussion in order to bring balance into the article. The sources are already found in the article, so why should I bring them to talk-page? The other side was trying to remove the section, I opposed to the removal of sourced information, so where did I procede wrong here?

Regarding the third point, it is in my right to ask Jimbo about advice when I find myself in a situation where an admin is clearly providing phalse statements at a complain of mine. Am I being punished for that? Is there a policy saying I can´t ask for advice?

Regarding your fourth and last point, I am not "pushing heavily for Mediation" but for any kind of dispute resolution. Are you suggesting that is wrong? How? Perhaps edit-warring is more appropriate? Also notece that consensus building is done with two sides agreing, and by the time, I was the only one present against 3 users sharing the other POV.

Just FYI, in my two previous ARBMAC notifications, the first one was attributed to all participants, with me not doing anything out of policies. I even asked why I was being notified, and I remember well being said that it was not really important and just a notification given to all. At the second one, the one that got me a 6 montha 1RR limitation, DIREKTOR reported me without warning and while I didn´t even knew of events and didn´t even had a chance to defend myself, FPS closed the thread that way. Afterwords, at his talk page, FPS recognised that DIREKTOR had equally violated 3RR and edit-warred, however, I kept being punished, while the other side got away impune and laughing. I thought of complaining, but I didn´t bothered, and as you can see, I didn´t had the slightest difficulty in going trough 1RR (something that would have been hard if I was a "tendentious editor"). So, as you can see, the two previous notifications had a negative effect, and now I am further being punished, this time without even breaking a single policy... Also, how can you punish me if I didn´t even edited the articles, just discussed?

I am being provided with a too hard punishement. Would you please reconsider, otherwise could you please point me out how to procede, as I definitelly find this ban very unfair. FkpCascais (talk) 07:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

As I said, the case was summarized with a consensus of admins for the TBAN, the case has been open for some time and rehashing what was already on the AE report isn't going to be of a lot of use. It's you're right to go wherever you want but when you go to multiple venues at once that looks like and frequently is forum shopping, that's disruptive and is a violation of policy. Tendentious editing in a topic space governed by sanctions is also a violation of policy. Removing sourced information from an article without providing without providing sources that challenge and meet the burden of proof for restoration is also a violation of policy. You may wish to mediate with him but it requires the consent of all parties to mediate. Nobody expects you to edit war, one expects you to work for consensus and sometimes consensus is not in favor of one's own opinion. You can appeal your ban to WP:AE if you feel it was too harsh. I would suggest if you are going to appeal to keep your discussion about your own actions, contrition and avoidance of the WP:NOTTHEM nature of your appeal here. --WGFinley (talk) 15:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

First, I didn´t forum shop, as the issues were different at ANI (complain on edit-warring) and at Jimbo´s page (asked for advice on one admin´s specific behavior).

Where did I removed sourced info (diff)?

Where did I made tendentious editing (diff)?

If you could just unswer to me this questions I will be extremelly gratefull, so could know exactly for what am I defending myself.

Also, we just came from a long related mediation, where the discussions happend between me and the other users. These discussions are very much related and could be considered as the final stages of the mediation, now being transponded to other related articles, as it happend in this case. By removing me for 6 months from all discussions, you´re basically directly favouring the other side of this dispute as they will stay unopposed, and you´ll be giving a direct result to dispute itself without even being informed about the exact issues. Please consider this. I am willing to explain everything in detail and clarify whatever needs to be clarified. FkpCascais (talk) 18:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of foreign players in Serbian lower football leagues

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Portugal B - Resposta

Olá Filipe, Vasco "por aqui",

Portugal B não são os sub-23? Caso sejam, encontras as estatísticas (pelo menos individuais, ou seja na página do jogador X ou Y) em FORADEJOGO.net. Senão, não tenho mais "ideias".

Abraços - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Responded

Please see my response at User talk:EdJohnston#Topic ban clarification. EdJohnston (talk) 16:01, 15 January 2012 (UTC) Hello. You have a new message at Wgfinley's talk page.

Sobre el innombrable

Junto con saludarlo, le escribo para ponerlo en conocimiento que el usuario mas nefasto e innombrable de la comunidad wikipedia, esta nuevamente causando estragos en la página de Roger Boscovich, cambiando en en forma POV y disruptiva, la nacionalidad de este que por años había tenido consenso en la página, haber si usted tiene tiempo para denunciarlo, Saludos y siga así por que lo felicito por su actitud valiente que ha tenido en defender sus posiciones.--190.196.161.105 (talk) 13:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Me han impuesto un extraño topic-ban (puedes verlo aquí justo encima de tu post), así que mientras esté en efecto no haré nada que les pueda dar razón para prolongarlo o agravarlo. Tendré que aguentarme por ahora y provar primero mi inocencia sobre la trampa en la que me metieron, y solamente después poderé contrubuír en los artículos relacionados con la ex-Yugoslavia... Saludos y gracias por sus amables palabras. FkpCascais (talk) 00:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Mario Ostojić

Hello Cascais!

I have finally made an article for Mario Ostojić. Tell me what you think please.

Pozdrav!

Tempo21 (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Making articles for players in First League of Montenegro

Hey, remember when we discussed how players who have only played in the First League of Montenegro can't have their own articles because an obscure article from a long time ago tangentially called it an 'amateur league'? Well, I think I found a potentially useful loophole/point to make to speedy-deletion taggers. I've noticed that players who have played solely in the USL Premier Development League have their own articles, but nowhere in the league article does it state that it is a professional league. Which means it's not! Therefore, "amateur" league players (only to a certain degree in the concept of being 'amateur') have already been getting articles on wikipedia! I just wanted to tell you because I figure I would need help because I don't know who I should tell this same message to in order to allow us to create articles for players in the Prva CFL. Let me know who I should get to Balkanskiredneck (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Ricardo Munguía (footballer)

Hello brate!

They say we have to speak English here so I will do so! Someone keeps ruining my Ricardo Munguía (footballer) page and I don't know why! He keeps taking off the pic and all the info!?

Please help.

Pozdrav,

Tempo21 (talk) 01:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I reverted him, so lets see what happends. However when I click to your sources I don´t see them, I just get the general page of Pluma libre website. You need to link to the specific article from that website. FkpCascais (talk) 01:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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Yugoslav Axis collaborationism

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They got me topic baned (see User_talk:FkpCascais#Arbitration_Enforcement) for WP:TE without me editing at all... It also means that I can´t participate in related discussions, only here in my talk page, I supose. FkpCascais (talk) 10:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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re:ANI

Thanks for the notification, this issue looks to be quite complicated and unfortunately I don't have the time to get involved. However I will try to monitor as much as I can, and should you need me to step in and give an opinion at any point, let me know and I'll try to find the time. Thanks, GiantSnowman 08:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not going to provide diffs. They were provided in the arb enforcement page. Two uninvolved admins concluded at the review that you violated ARBMAC. That's all there is to it. You can complain and protest all you want, in whatever venue you want, and demand that other people provide additional evidence all you want, but that's not how ARBMAC works- everyone is so sick of the constant fight over the macedonian articles that we just throw people out as soon as they start being a pain. No amount of wikilawyering and arguing that you technically didn't violate the letter of the rules is going to change that. Go edit something else- you have 4 months to go. --PresN 01:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

"You took the responsability of closing the thread" - look again, my name isn't "The Bushranger", who closed the thread. We're up to four admins who think that the topic ban in justified, and zero admins who think it should be overturned. I've also never said I was "fed up", so I'm not sure who you're quoting there. Feel free to continue to complain to me and everyone else you've ever met, as it's already clear you will, but ARBMAC is quite clear- one warning, and then any uninvolved admin can sanction you. And as far as I can see, you've had plenty of warnings, including a 1RR restriction, so WGFinley and EdJohnston were perfectly justified in topic banning you, and Bushranger and I are justified in agreeing with him - without providing any additional diffs. --PresN 06:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

fkp, listen to what well-meaning editors are trying to tell you - take a break from these kinds of articles, and concentrate on others. It's in the best interests of you and Wikipedia, honestly. GiantSnowman 22:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

You violated Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia. GiantSnowman 09:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The discussion here is pretty clear to me. GiantSnowman 14:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

It shows you did forumshop by going to admin after admin to try and get your way. You're beginning to make it worse for yourself. As I've said before, the decision is valid and you'd be best off editing elsewhere for a while. GiantSnowman 15:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked before, and the area of your edits is under sanctions. A topic ban is a good compromise. GiantSnowman 15:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

You admit to 2RR on a 1RR-sanctioned page? Boom. GiantSnowman 15:52, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

We are going round in circles and, to be honest, I am starting to lose patience. As discussed below, you are welcome to formally appeal the restriction, but badgering an uninvolved party (me) is not productive. GiantSnowman 16:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion,boom" is my way of saying "voila" or "that's it." I'm more than happy to help you (perhaps "badgering" was a bit strong, sorry) but you need to try to understand what you've done wrong so that we can help. GiantSnowman 16:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:ARBMAC Topic Ban

Regarding this:

1. Your statement is entirely inaccurate, your actions got you topic banned, not the actions of any admin.
2. If you went and read the ARBMAC decision you would find it does not just apply to editing in the article space, it applies to editing in the talk space and all other spaces as well. In fact, a great deal of that case revolved around behavior outside of the article space.
3. If you are going to appeal your ban then please, do so. Continuing to go on about it without appealing the decision is not going to help you get the ban reduced and may result in further sanctions, including blocking.

--WGFinley (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

But what exact actions? Which exact edit of mine violates TE, and which exact edits of mine violate any policy whatsoever? FkpCascais (talk) 15:53, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

There were multiple edits submitted in the AE report, the AE report is well documented. One last time, if you wish to appeal then, by all means, file an appeal on AE. If you are not going to appeal you need to drop it. --WGFinley (talk) 16:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

See? You never provide me one single diff where everyone can clerly see I have broke some policy. That user made a compilation of all my most polemical comments done on numerous discussions during the last couple of years. I was ironical in a couple of them, but if you see the context, you would understand the hard cincunstances in them. Even so, I don´t see even one policy being broken in any of them! He even used the excuse of me having football editing as hobbie, as if I was some football hooligan or something... Ridiculous. I don´t have much faith in AE or ARBCOM, as none good-faith was given to me at any point, but I rather feel cheated int he entire episode.

WGFinley, those discussions are tricky place. I entered into that specifical one without edit-waring or intervening into the article, but trying to archive consensus trough discussion. I participated at the discussion correctly, I analised the sources and pointed to related policies. When I had reasons to, I asked for help to administrators (isn´t this appropriate?). When I had reasons I complained. When things got out of hand, even with me disatisfied with the result as the other side edit-warred their unconsensual version, I still didn´t edit-warred neither I took any unconstructive action, but right the opposite, I walked away (!!!). And at the end, 2 weeks after that, and with the other side actually breaking FORUMSHOP by making successive reports against me, you decide to punish me with a half-year sanction??? Makes no sense... Aferwords, yes I had a mad-a-like tone towards you and EdJohnston, but you have to understand my possition too, you ignored completelly my positive actions. I was allways provided with further and further excuses... Please tell me why should I beleave this time I will be taken seriously if I appeal? Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I am not going to go back and dig up a bunch of diffs to cite to justify something you were banned by a consensus of admins on, has been reviewed again on several different noticeboards and not a single admin has said this ban was inappropriate. So let me reiterate this for what will be the final time, either make your appeal or stop. If you don't stop, you will be blocked for violating your topic ban. --WGFinley (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 16:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Basically, what WGFinley said. GiantSnowman 22:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Peacemaker67

Hi. Please see this and this. Can I, please see where that checkuser case was opened if you have link? What was a conclusion? PANONIAN 19:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, of course. That user has been 100% involved only in DIREKTOR related edits ever since he appeared, and has been all but a newcomer in my view. He presents himself as "Australian" (as if unrelated to Balkans subjects) but has been almost exclusively involved in articles dealing with the subjects where the Croatian and Serbian POV differ (with clear inclination towards the first one). It was quite clear to me from the begining that we were not dealing with a editor claiming to be (a newcomer), but unfortunatelly I never gave much importance to sockpuppetry before, so that is why it took me a while to make a SPI report on him (and my first and only ever SPI report ever on WP), here: [16]. Direktor reacted agressively and did his best to avoid the checkuser to be done, and the admin who took care of the report denied me the right to make a check on him. The reason provided to me basically makes no sense, as the admin refuses to make a check because "I want to block an user" (???)... A bit later I was topic-baned basically without one single diff presenting any breaking of any policy on my behalve with the excuse of FORUMSHOPPING for reporting them (Direktor&Peacemaker67)... They had been overprotected by some admins for some strange reasons, and there are possible off-wiki pressures and lobbing being made in all disputes they are involved in. FkpCascais (talk) 20:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you have something more to say in my appeal to the admin regarding this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong#Possible_sockpuppetry PANONIAN 21:34, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Lets keep me out of it for time being as whenever I get involved most often I find admins making all sorts of excuses for them and doing their best to turn it into a case against whoever is reporting them (WP:BOOMERANG has been much in vogue whenever they get reported lately). Lets see if you get a more serious response. FkpCascais (talk) 21:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Ooh, no idea sorry - try at WT:FOOTBALL instead? GiantSnowman 12:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Ideja

Iskreno nikako ne bih mesao rezultate iz lige SFRJ sa rezultatima od 1992 pa na ovamo. Sasvim druga drzava i sasvim druga liga. Kad Rusi mogu da vode evidenciju od raspada Sovjetskog saveza pa na ovamo ne vidim sto ne bi smo i mi. :)
Sto se ovoga edita konkretno tice, osim sto mi se ne svidja ovo sto gore pomenuh, ne svidja mi se i to sto se u principu podaci dupliraju. Odmah iznad te tabele sam odradio detaljnu tabelu od 2006 pa na ovamo. Eventualno da se odradi jos jedna takva za SRJ period. A jos malo iznad stoje podaci o osvojenim titulama od '92 pa na ovamo. Bolje bi bilo da se te tabele upotpune podacima o drugoplasiranim timovima. Slicno kao sto imaju Englezi: lista.

Ako smem malo da prokomentarisem tvoje clanke. Svaka cast za podatke koje si iskopao za periode 1919-21 i 1940-44. Znao sam da su Hrvati imali svoju ligu za vreme NDH, al da je i kod nas bilo organizovanog takmicenja za vreme drugog svetskog rata, kao i neposredno nakon prvog iskreno nisam imao pojma. Elem, kritika. :) Isto sto sam rekao i gore. Ne ide mi nikako da se u clanku u nasim fudbalskim prvacima listaju timovi iz ostatka SFRJ. Evo neke moje ideje kako bih ovo uredio. Pa prokomentarisi kako ti zvuci. Da se napravi nov clanak, List of Yugoslav football champions. Koji bi pokrivao sve podatke u periodima od 1923-1940 i 1945-1992. Tu bi se moglo prebaciti dosta podataka sa strane Yugoslav First League. Malo mi je nepregledno da se sva statistika za tako dugi vremenski period drzi pomesana sa ostalim podacima na jednoj strani. Idealno bi bilo da se to odradi slicno kao za Premier League ili Ligue 1. Glavni clanak u kome ce pisati istorijat lige i neki osnovni statisticki podaci (npr za Premier ligu ima tabela sa ucincima "Velike cetvorke" od osnivanja lige, za SFRJ ligu bi se moglo isto napraviti, samo za Zvezdu, Partizan, Dinamo i Hajduk). I par clanaka u kojima bi se nalazili detaljniji podaci. Npr poseban za spisak svih sampiona i statistikom u vezi sa time, poseban o spisku svih klubova koji su se takmicili u ligi isl. Baci pogled na strane o Engleskoj ili Francuskoj ligi, videces vec na sta mislim. To bi doduse zahtevalo poprilicno posla kao i malo vise kvalitetnijeg teksta na glavnoj strani.
Sto se lige Srbije tice, u tom clanku bih ostavio podatke iz perioda koji je i sad pokriven. Tj od 92 pa na ovamo. U stvari ubacio bih pod history i ova dva perioda za koje si ti sredio podatke, 1919-21 i 1940-44. I takodje napravio posebne clanke koji bi detaljnije obradjivali pojedine podatke. Kao sto rekoh, baci pogled na clanke vezane za Englesku ligu. Oni su po meni ubedljivo najkvalitetnije odradjeni.
U svakom slucaju, javi kako ti zvuce ideje. :) Nightfall87 (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

U principu se slazemo sto se sadrzaja samih clanaka tice. Kao i da bi ih trebalo makar malo preformulisati. Za pocetak iz tabela posklanjati podatke o treceplasiranim timovima i Last Runner-up Season. Oba su poprilicno nepotrebna. E sad, ova dva su vise kozmeticki predlozi u poredjenju sa ostalima. Prva ideja. Za sve jace lige se na njihovoj glavni strani nalazi uglavnom tekst o samoj ligi. O istorijatu, formatu takmicenja, sponzorima, uz veoma malo statistickih podataka. Dok se svi detaljniji podaci, o broju titula, o rekordima, najboljim strelcima i slicno, nalaze u zasebnim clancima. Dok je za nasu ligu suprotno. Sva statistika je natrpana na glavnoj strani, dok se poprilicna kolicina teksta pogotovo o istoriji takmicenja nalazi na strani List of Serbian football champions. Prva ideja je da se sadrzaj te dve strane malo pretumba. Tekst da se prebaci na Serbian SuperLiga, a vecina statistickih podataka na List of Serbian football champions. Po istom principu napraviti stranu Serbian SuperLiga records and statistics u koju ce biti prebacena all-time tabela, lista strelaca, rekordi koji su dostupni isl.

Dalje, sa strane List of Serbian football champions bih u potpunosti izbacio tabelu o broju titula koja sadrzi i klubove van Srbije. Kao i spiskove sezone koje su odigrane za vreme SFRJ. Ti podaci se vec nalaze na strani Yugoslav First League. Tako da bih ostavio tabelu sa svim osvojenim titulama samo timova iz Srbije, kao i par pasusa o Jugoslovenskoj ligi uz linkove koji vode do nje. Tako da koga interesuje moze da ode na tu stranu za detaljnije informacije, plus nece biti dupliranja. Slicno su uradili Nemci sto se tice sampionata Istocne Nemacke, pogledati ovde. Znam da situacija nije ni priblizno ista, ali mi deluje kao elegantno resenje i za nasu ligu.

Kako ti zvuci? :) Nightfall87 (talk) 19:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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Personally I've never had problems with IP´s adding stats from state league. I suppose that you're talking about Carlos Eduardo de Fiori Mendes, but thats a different issue with one vandal called Nikola Gudžulić(User:Nikgudz also User:Triter) who is editing from varbiale IP's from TELEKOM SRBIJA and repeatedly adding these false stats falsified by him, just like for other foreign Crvena Zvezda players.--Oleola (talk) 14:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

First League of the Republika Srpska

Kao prvo, hvala. A drugo, ako već preimenuješ prvu ligu RS na engleski naziv, mogao si to onda uraditi i sa 2011–12 Prva Liga FBiH (na 2011–12 First League of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina). Prvenstveno sam želio da naslovi članaka ostanu na bosanskom, ali ako smatraš da ima ta neka konvencija za to, onda slobodno mjenjaj. Zapamtit ću i ja to u podsvijesti, pa da više ne stavljam naslove kako glase na našem jeziku. Lijep pozdrav. AnelZukic (talk) 10:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Hvala

Hvala na informaciji brate! Napravio sam članak Željku Rodiću hehe.

Tempo21 (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Dobro, smiri se malo brate. To je nešto neverovatno koliko me ti ustvari teraš sa Vikipedije. Pogledaj malo svoje pravopisne greške grdne.

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Извини

Извини што сам преоштро реаговао. Управу си. Али не стављам лажне референце намерно - ни случајно! Некад прелетим вишак информација док едитујем па промашим. Тренутно на Википедији постоје свакојаквих људи који баратају некаквим нетачним информацијама па сам због тога мислио да се слажеш с њима. Још једном, извини што сам те увредио.

Срдачан поздрав,

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Thank you 1

I appreciated the comment. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Romanization of Serbian

Oh, I just did a quick google books search and found the information about 1914. I couldn't find much about the 1918-1941 period in the same search, but I agree it seems a bit odd not to mention what happened then. If you can find sources for that information, please go ahead and write something up.

Regarding diacritics, you may be interested in arguing for Nikola Čačić. I did a quick google search but couldn't actually find much information about him overall. If you could demonstrate clear and unambiguous usage in reference to the player in Serbian sports news and journals, that would go a long way in having the article title changed. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:43, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Broj sedista na zvezdinom stadionu

Cao, samo sam hteo ovde da potvrdim da su sva tri izvora koja sam postavio na Red Star Stadium potvrdili sedeci kapacitet izmedju 51.000 i 52.000 (prosecna cifra je 51,328). Ali neki lik ih stalno izbrise i postavlja 55,000, i to jeste nekada bio tacan broj ali trenutno to je preteran, kao i u slucaju sa mnogim stadionima u Srbiji-znas kako to ide, mi srbi uvek volimo da preteramo ovo i ono. Mozemo li da se slazemo? Za svaki slucaj nisam uredio clanak treci put da ne bude frke sa ostalim urednicima Zastavafan76 (talk) 20:48, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Sándor Nemes

Hmmm, good chance that the club in question is Al-Ittihad Al-Sakndary, one of the oldest clubs in Egypt and the biggest in Alexandria. However, give me some time to look into and I'll let you know if I can find anything. I'm just working on a few things at the moment so shouldn't be too long. TonyStarks (talk) 03:32, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I tried finding anything about him in Arabic in relation to Alexandria and the club mentioned above but unfortunately nothing came up. During my search, I discovered that there were a number of Greek clubs in Alexandria at the time due to the sizeable Greek community in Egypt back then, so he might have coached one of those. However, like I said in my first message, there's a very good chance that he was coaching Al-Ittihad Al-Sakndary. They won two cups in Egypt at that time (1935 and 1936), so a foreign coach and former international would more likely be coaching a team like that. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance, unfortunately not a lot of information is out there on the history of Arab clubs. TonyStarks (talk) 04:17, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Good luck with figuring that one out lol, especially with three different names! As for El Monir, glad I could at least contribute something, it's almost impossible to find exact spellings for some of these players without actually looking at a passport or ID card, there is just way too many variations, but better than having nothing. Again, sorry I couldn't be of much help with the coach, if you have make any headway with it (exact name/club), feel free to contact me again and I can try looking again, having more details might make it easier. Take care. TonyStarks (talk) 05:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Transferi

Zdravo. U principu slazem se sa tobom. Da budem iskren, mrzelo me je da pravim novu stranu za letnje transfere. Plus jos uvek nije poznato ni ko ce sve da igra sledece sezone, a ni na kojim ce pozicijama zavrsiti tekucu sezonu. Pa sam samo ubacio u vec postojecu listu, ako nista drugo da se ne zaboravi kad nova strana bude napravljena. Lako cemo posle prebaciti taj transfer tamo. :) Nightfall87 (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Pozdrav, oce bit' svecano otvaranje nove stranice transfera za leto, da pobacamo nove vec sada? Bora83ns, al neulogovan :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.233.24.6 (talk) 10:23, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Samo da se javim. Svecano otvorih List of Serbian football transfers summer 2012. Pobacah ovih par za sad poznatih transfera. Ne znam doduse dal da stavljam i vracanja sa pozajmica. Posto tehnicki sezona traje do kraja juna il tako nesto. P.S. Sto te blokirase? Nightfall87 (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

re: WP:FOOTY

No worries. I agree with you that articles should not be deleted because they only have Transfermarkt as a source - and I agree that Transfermarkt is a nice source that aggregates match reports so you can get playing statistics from one source instead of searching dozens of match reports. However, there are more reliable sites that do the same thing (i.e., Soccerbase, Guardian's Stats Centre, Fora de Jogo, etc). I don't know if there is another site for the Serbian leagues (maybe Srbijafudbal if it is a reliable source). In any case, this is simply a matter of reporting playing statistics, and the bigger issue is whether these articles pass the GNG - and that requires significant coverage in reliable sources (not only in databases like Transfermarkt). My concern is that someone like Milosavljevic has had two years in the top Serbian league and it was very difficult to find information on him. Jogurney (talk) 12:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Onaj like vec nedeljima posecuje strane o RS, BL itd idt i vandalizuje--Nado158 (talk) 12:45, 17 May 2012 (UTC).

Video sam... Dodao sam source za edite, tako da kad sledeci put skine to je prekrsaj jer skida sourced information, a sourci su najbolji moguci, tako da nema pardona. FkpCascais (talk) 19:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

On cesto menja IP. Ali dobro, vidicemo sta ce biti ;). Podzrav --Nado158 (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC) Evo ga opet...--Nado158 (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC) Onaj se ne predaj. Vec tera inat svima. Sta da radim? Sta je bilo stobom u vezi RS? Jel si dobio neku kaznu?--Nado158 (talk) 23:05, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Jesam, pre neko vreme dobio sam topic ban zbog clanaka o Drugom Svetskom Ratu i topic ban je izgeda ukljucivao i clanke o sadasnjim dogadjajima... Sacekaj jedan dan samo da vidim sta ti je najbolje da uradis, gde da reportujes slucaj. FkpCascais (talk) 03:48, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Sto to? Ne razumem sto si dobijo zabranu? Pa de si pogresio? Jel mogu nesto da pompgnem?--Nado158 (talk) 08:57, 19 May 2012 (UTC) Brate onaj lik nece da prestane. On radi vec nedeljima na tome. Sto se njemu ne zabranjuje?--Nado158 (talk) 11:19, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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PRODUCER's diffs supplied on my talk page are unambiguous violations of your ban. You are banned from all topics covered by WP:ARBMAC, not just what you got brought to AE over. Your 6 month ban is reset and starts now, please stay away from the disputed topic areas. I think you are fine on the football articles provided they don't' get in to these WP:BATTLEGROUND disputes. --WGFinley (talk) 01:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

WGFinley, please, this is not fair. My contributions during all this period were positive, and I have absolutely stayed away from all related topics from the dispute. You are being way too hard on me and you are not assuming any good-will to me. I honestly thought that the ban was related to all content which I was engaged in discussions with Producer and Direktor. I have positively contributed in language discussions for some time, and these issues have no relation to the ones I was baned. Yes, I may have been a bit ironic with Producer at your talk page but I was absolutely surprised with it because I have not encountered with him for all this time and I assumed it was bad faith on him wanting to get me further sanctioned. Please reconsider. FkpCascais (talk) 01:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Are you honestly trying to tell me you don't think that Republika Srpska doesn't fall within the WP:ARBMAC topic space? Your ban states the topic area is to be broadly construed. One need not even go to broadly construed to determine a political entity in Bosnia falls within the ban. You had a ban for this area, you've violated it consistently, you are being blocked to prevent further disruption and the ban duration has been reset. --WGFinley (talk) 05:16, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I honestly didn´t knew. I was draged to participate about a month ago in a discussion related to Serbian and other regional languages on WP and it involved discussions on WP:Serbia. Once no one reacted I assumed it was OK. It may seem abusive now, but since then, I honestly beleaved that the ban was mostly related to the specific area we disputed and why the first ban was issued, and I beleaved that if I refrained to edit the areas of conflict from the past and limited myself to make constructive edits in unrelated articles I wouldn´t have problems. I was never topic banned before. I am sorry, I was wrong, I really wasn´t sure, I should have asked.

WGFinley, I have been adding sources, expanding articles, categorizing, cleaning articles, fighting vandalism, organising consensus building on several issues, positively participating in many different WikiProjects, etc. I really ONLY ever had problems and reports from these same users (Direktor and Producer). Yes, I recognise that my attitude on your talk page was not correct, and I do understand now that you probably have an image about me focused on my conflict with this users as this is the only area where we ever met, but I will please ask you to consider my numerous positive contributions in many areas of Wikipedia (sports, BLP´s, geography, aviation, turism, history, sociology, etc.), and also the fact that I don´t have any problems whith any other established users neither any other areas than this one (WWII Balkans).

After having had a reflection on this, I came to a conclusion that what really happends is that after a long relation of conflict with these users, I seem to be unable to contribute constructively when entering into conflict with them. I am not saying that I am right in those discussions, nether assuming that I am wrong, I am just saying that WP seems to suffer from our conflicts. As you can see they complained to you about an article which they don´t even edit, so there seems to be clearly an intentional conflict between us regardless of the circunstances. I will really like to suggest that you put me in a new 6 months topic ban, but more specific (exemple, Balkans XX c. history if you feel appropriate, which would include the WWII and 1990s Yugoslav Wars areas which they edit), while I will still be allowed to edit positively all other areas where I have been productive. I will also like to ask you to please put me an interaction ban with those users, as the conflict relation with them seems to be certain. Would you please WGFinley consider this and would you please give me just this chance. I never receve any warnings as normal editors do, I allways receve the hardest punishemnt immediatelly, please give me credit just this one time, I wan´t disapoint you, I am sure. Please WG Finley. FkpCascais (talk) 05:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed Direktor´s comment on your talkpage, and allow me to clarify: I did not edited plenty of articles in the scope of the ban, which I edited were this ones about RS Constitution because an IP was removing sourced information from that and another football club article, so his removal of info drove me there; I edited some railway companies in order to improve the articles (like Serbian Railways, I expanded and sourced the article, diff); and I edited the House of Flowers about the naming issue (related to the language discussion I participated some time ago). These are not "plenty" of articles, and Direktor knew very well about them 4 days ago (see my only edit at Hose of Flowers: diff) and Direktor reverted me only 11 minutes after, but he just choosed to say it now, 4 days later after I commented in a report against him. I may have other ponctual articles within the scope here or there, but all of those edits were either about the language section (like some Belgrade buildings), wikilinks or minor fixes. Please see the nature of the edits and please confirm they are not controversial and completely unrelated to any conflicts from the past episode. These are all constructive minor edits, it is all but fair to consider them disruption... I see now that I should have asked you first.. FkpCascais (talk) 06:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I will also like to apologise to you for my tone at your talk page. My attitude changes when I deal with those users. I have no right behaving that way on your talk page. But you can see that during this recent period Direktor did reverted me once and I simply left, which means I do have self-control. Just please don´t let me one bad day remove me from another half year from my favourite editing areas. I was just about 15 days of completing this first sanction and that was the reason I reacted so badly at his complain at your talk page. I was wrong in not having asked you first if I could edit those articles, and I was wrong with my attitude at your talk page, and I really apologise. FkpCascais (talk) 09:58, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

You need to go and take a look at what topic ban means because apparently you don't understand. It doesn't matter if the edits you make are helpful or not, you are banned and you can't make them. I would consider narrowing the scope of the ban if there was some meritorious editing that took place. Asking to have the scope of the ban narrowed when you've been violating it is sort of like asking for early parole right after you shanked someone. Stick to articles outside of the dispute, move on past your issues with PRODUCER and DIREKTOR and make good contributions to areas outside of your ban for a while. That is what would lead to me reconsidering a modification of your ban. --WGFinley (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

List of footballers born in Yugoslavia who played for other national teams

I came across this article you created and thought I'd give you heads up that [www.playerhistory.com playerhistory.com] was got taken down a few days ago due to technical challenges, which means that at present the article is without functionning reliable sources. I'd appreciate your help in finding replacement sources, both for this article and others. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I will return in a day or two as I am currently blocked for having edited a related article which I was topic-banned for (unrelated with football, Macedonia ARBCOM). I will obviously help as soon as I can. I appreciate very much your notece on this, I didn´t knew the website was down. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Arab names issue (again)

Hello. Happy to hear that Mohammad Za'abia might be moving to the Serbian League, I've seen him play many times and he's a good player. As for the spelling, it doesn't necessarily have to be the same. Like I said in the previous discussion, countries like Libya don't have a "system" to transliterate names. Hoewver, Mohamed is the common one, and his N-F-T.com profile spells it as Mohamed. Also, look at the history of the page, the title was originally Mohamed Zubya but a user moved it under the pretense of "better transliteration." This BBC article also calls him Mohamed Zubya, which I'm guessing they got from a CAF press release, which in turn got it from the CAF official player list of players. So, in short, without any references provided for the current spelling, I'd recommend moving the article back to Mohamed Zubya :D .. hope that helped lol! TonyStarks (talk) 03:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Libyan football is a mess right now with all the problems from the war, that's possibly why he's not being called up to the NT. Also, the reason he probably didn't sign a few years ago is because the top players in Libya at the time were very well paid and were treated like stars in their own country, no reason to leave to play in Europe! But now that the Libyan league is on pause, all the Libyan players left to play in other countries (plenty are playing in Tunisia), so I guess they've been forced to get serious about their careers. In any case, I wish him good luck .. but don't expect results right away. European football, especially "former Yugoslavia", is very physical, it will take him some time to adapt. TonyStarks (talk) 05:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Dejan Jaković

Hi Cascais :)

I think that the Dejan Jakovic article should be moved to Dejan Jaković considering he is not born-Canadian. The Ante Jazić article should also technically be Ante Jazic but that is a different story!

Do you know how I should go about changing this as it won't let me manually move the page. Also I'm speaking in English as that is (apparently) the only allowed language for English userpage talk. Ah well.

All the best brate,

Tempo21 (talk) 00:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Miloš Božović

Hi! Do you know who is Miloš Božović???--Nado158 (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

To je HOAX... Treba da ga tuzimo jer izmislja i pise lazne clanke na Wiki. FkpCascais (talk) 08:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I treba--Nado158 (talk) 09:00, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Leonardo Pisculichi

Sto se tice ovog igraca, iskopao sam negde, pre nekog vremena da je se on prezivao Piskulic tj. njegovi preci, pa su promenili prezime da bi se prilagodili okruzenju. Kao sto je recimo Eli Babalj promenio ime Ilija u Eli ili Dario Cvitanic u Cvitanich. Ovo sam sada iskopao, ali pokusacu da nadjem ono zbog cega uporno pisem njegovo prezime.

Pozdrav, 7up --7even.up (talk) 23:05, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hvala ti brate za Working Wikipedian's Barnstar :). Pozdrav :) --Nado158 (talk) 08:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Zdravo! Pa jel moguce da svi gledaju i cute sta ovaj Tole radi. Pa jel mogudje da je smanjio da 3 stranaca u svakom timu?On nije normalan. Pa to ce unistiti nas fudbal skroz. Kako to da svi cute, da svi veliki klubovi cute a on deda radi sta oce???Mora nesto da se radi pod hitno protiv toga. Neko otvoreno pismo preko svih navijaca, klubova, belih orlova sta ja znam. Sta ti kazes?--Nado158 (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Kosovo NT

Hi Fkp, I was merely carrying out a clean-up when I made the mistake of removing the italics. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, I did not even spot them in the main text. I was in the process of tidying the country of birth issue and the local spellings when I spotted the " " surrounding Kosovo and I thought I was making things better by removing them! Then suddenly I get your post explaining why they were there and that there had been major discussions on the matter - all unknown to me! I am sorry about that mistake.

To be honest, I don't oppose a Kosovar team myself either. As you say, let them play. This is not an indication that I approve of the whole independence chapter, my ideas there are firm. There are some problems however with an all-out Kosovan team, I'll explain.

You as a sportsman know that sporting nations are not wholly consistent with sovereign states. Put simply, there are 193 UN members PLUS a tiny country within Rome (surrounded by Italy) called the Vatican. Collectively these 194 entities lay claim to the whole world territory. Now part-recognised or unrecognised externally states, even sometimes those whose proponents are in exile and exercise no control of their proposed land, all add to that 194 figure. The figure is roughly 205 (give or take) if we include all entities, BUT sport is not like that. Whether it is FIFA or the IOC (Olympic), participating members need not be consistent with sovereign nations. This is how we have England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland who diplomatically are part of the UK umbrella. It doesn't end there, Denmark can be said to have two cracks at the whip in European competition given its Faroe Islands take part in the group matches. And I don't know about Greenland which is also Danish. Surely people play soccer everywhere. And correct me if I am wrong, is there not a FIFA member called Guam? An island nation part of the U.S! Now beating them is a sure challenge for Roy Hodgson of England!!!!

As you know, every region of the world produces football talent and Kosovo is no exception. These individuals represent domestic teams internationally and sometimes they squeeze into national sides, such as Emir Bajrami of Sweden. Now if we deny Kosovo a team for sovereign reasons, then these players will still exist but their home choice will become Serbia. So the selection will on the one hand become more broad, but then do you really want to see a national side cheered on by those huge right-wing bearded all-in-black nationalists comprising several ethnic Albanians!! It would be wildly amiss. On the other hand, do you wish to deny these talented young men the opportunity to play international football just because they are the wrong ethnicity! This way or that way, they have to play for someone.

The problem is the politics. In Britain, the four entities are called the Home Nations. These do not play apart from one another because they wish to be independent, and the Faroes knows that Coppenhagen allowing it to play its own matches is a right and not because it is out of central Danish hands. But then beiong from the Faroes makes you just as elligible to be involved in Danish central affairs as one from Denmark-proper. Kosovo is political! Now if it were a fully functioning part of the Serbian state, it would be fine to give it a separate team on account of the players being something different ethnically- it is good for morale. But in these circumstances which we see, a game billed as Serbia vs Kosovo would be an absolute green light from Belgrade that it accepted Kosovan independence, NOT because it plays a team called Kosovo, but because it continues to identify as Serbia WITHOUT Kosovo. Now if it changed its name to the confusing "Central Serbia & Vojvodina" - people would raise eyebrows but when asked why, it can explain!

So once again, forgive that silly mistake - I'll know next time not to play around with those things. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:12, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I am very interested in the road network all over the world, especially in the Balkans. I do privately check these sites although I haven't edited a great deal there. I downloaded File:Bulgaria-e79.jpg and File:Montanapat.jpg for European route E79 and others similar. I realise you grew up in Portugal and your main subject is football so I'll explain the Kosovo picture to you - but I'll also point out that this subject is being discussed on Talk:Republic of Kosovo - I have made a few contributions there these past days. Anyhow, Serbia's claim on Kosovo in neither based on its knowledge of how things are within Kosovo nor on having any control there. The constitution of Serbia defines Kosovo and Metohija as an integral part of the country, and Belgrade's government also recognises the region to be supervised by UNMIK, and governed locally and all in accordance with Resolution 1244 passed in 1999. It therefore no more needs to know the state of affairs within Kosovo than it does Albania. Development by its nature becomes common knowledge in the wider region and likewise, all maps will be correct whether published in Belgrade or Sydney, it just takes time for the correct information to filter through. Now representatives of any Serbian-based tourism venture will without question explain to the tourist making enquiries that Kosovo is marked on their maps for state purposes, that the region functions independently of the rest of Serbia; they may or may not go into the ins and outs, but on the whole they will explain the scenario. If it is tourism one is interested in then anyone in Serbia can provide the client with the locations of Kosovo's churches, monasteries and other cultural emblems which bejewel the region, as well as the lakes, mountains and the towns. No question they will explain that information on certain elements such as roads, prices, customs, etc. are things they cannot be expected to accurately produce. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 08:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

WP Football in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Football for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Zvezda

Cao:)! Malo sam popravio Zvezdin clanak. Nazalost nisam mogao da ubacim slike koje sam pripemio. Vosine slike su sve izbirsali,takodje od nekih stadiona :(. I ako sam stavio licence idt.su izbrisali. Ne razumem. Na Zvedzin clanak su mi i skinuli slike koje su na Wikipediji a nemoze se staviti na na Zvezdinu stranu. Naprimer Djordje Milovanovica...nosi dresu Zvedze, vidi se grb i skinuli su ga sa Zvedzine stran. Ne razumem? Ti?Skinu li su i Gojka Zeca, Zorana Filipovica, idt...Hvala. --Nado158 (talk) 20:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Pogledacu sad posle vecere cim budem imao vise vremena pa ti javljam ovde. Na CZ clanku sam ti skinuo ono "Yugoslavian" koje nije korektno i na Engleskom treba uvek da bude "Yugoslav". Takodje obrati paznju na WP:OVERLINKING (obrati paznju na zadnju recenicu) jer masovno si linkovao SFR Yugoslavia bez potrebe. Samo jedanput, uvrh glave jos negde kad je bas potrebno... Sad cu da vidim to sa slikama samo da veceram :) FkpCascais (talk) 20:58, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Pravo da ti kazem ne znam sta je u pitanju. Slike da bi se unele na vikipediju moraju da ima licencu kako treba, a ja nisam do sada nikakve slike unosio niti se time bavio uopste. Ne razumem problem oko vec postojecih slika koje su skinuli sa clanka. Mozda najbolje da pitas editore koje su ih skinule pa da ti oni tacno objasne. Deo slika je zaista onaj u koji se najmanje razumem nazalost. Ako nesto vise saznam kazacu ti. Srdacan pozdrav Nado, i nastavi sa dobrim editovanjem! FkpCascais (talk) 04:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Hvala brate :)--Nado158 (talk) 15:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Eastern Europe Topic Ban

Your participation on Talk:List_of_Serbia_international_footballers_(including_predecessor_teams) is far closer to the line than you should be. That appears to be a political discussion and not a sports discussion and as such you are dangerously close to violating your ban. Fair warning. --WGFinley (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Medo

Brate, u vezi Mohameda Kamare...sto mu pise Medo, kad na dresu nosi ime Camara. I u LS i u LE je nosijo to ime. Sto mu ne vratite na Camara? Ja bi bio za to? I ako mu nadimak Medo, on je Camara, kao sto je Pixi Stojkovic. --Nado158 (talk) 13:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

On je Mohamed Kamara (a ne Camara, u Sijera Leoneu je sa K) i Medo je ime pod kojim igra da bi bio lakse prepoznatljiv, posto je Kamara veoma cesto prezime tamo... Ali ne znam na sta mislis, gde da mu vratimo? Clanak je Mohamed Kamara, mada bi po meni imalo logike da bude "Medo Kamara", posto je "Medo" dinimutiv od "MohaMEDa" ali ne znam da li to moze, posto ipak vecina izvora ga naziva ili kao "Medo" ili kao "Mohamed Kamara"... Ali gde tacno mislis da treba da vratimo? FkpCascais (talk) 13:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Pa u Current Squad Partizana. Da pise Mohammed Kamara a ne Medo. Medo su mu Srbi dali jel da?Medo nije inace dinimutiv za Mohameda po svetu(mislim da je tako). Znam dosta Muhameda iz razlicitih zemalja i nijedan ima nadimak ili da mu je naziv Medo itd. Cak ima Srpsko ime Medoje...nadimak Medo. Jel Kamara nosio nadimak Medo i kad je igrao LS i LE?Kako je registrovan kod FIFE?--Nado158 (talk) 14:17, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Medo je ime pod kojim je igrao u Finskoj pre dolaska u Srbiju. Tamo je iskljucivo bio poznat kao Medo, a upravo smo mi u Srbiji iskomplikovali stvar i vratili mu puno ime... Inace, on je u nekom intervjuu objasnio da je "Medo" njegov nadimak zbog imena (MohaMED) i nema veze da li je to uobicajeno, ili ne, u njegovom slucaju je tako. Pogledacu kako u razlicitim izvorima mu pise ime pa cu ti postaviti ovde. FkpCascais (talk) 16:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Ahh uredu, razumem. Sad znam ;). Iance brate, dojadilo mi je zezanje na strane CZ. Da da ubacimo protect na starnu CZ ako sto ima PB. Hvaal i podzrav--Nado158 (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Sto, sta se desava na CZ? Ovo zadnje je problm taj sto nisi stavio jasan "inclusion criterium" za bivse igrace, i teoretski sad svako moze da stavlja Lee Addy-ja recimo. Zato je svojevrmeno i skinuta ta lista bila, i ostavljen samo link za listu svih igraca, mada sam ja uvk smatrao da moze da postoji neka kraca lista vaznih igraca, ali mora da ima jasan "inclusion criterium", sto u tvom slucaju nije. FkpCascais (talk) 23:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Sredicu ja to za "inclusion criterium", nego mislim da uvedemo side-protection, ili semi-protection kao kod Partizana zbog cestog vandalizma itd. Uvek neko ubacuje neke provokacije itd.--Nado158 (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Ali ja nisam administrator a samo neki administrator to moze da uradi. Nisam nikada trazio tu "protection" ni za koji clanak, ne znam kako ide procedura... Mislim da moras da dokazes da postoji velika kolicina vandalizma koja ce obrazloziti stavljanje protekcije. FkpCascais (talk) 20:16, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Kako se kontaktira administrator i kojeg?--Nado158 (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Hahah bolje nepitaj ko je doneo trecu loptu hahah :P ;) --Nado158 (talk) 22:26, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Video sam ja to kada sam pisao skracenu verziju sa zvanicnog sajta, ali sam namerno odabrao ono sto je bitnije od tih takvih stvari... To ko je doneo prvu (ili drugu) loptu je mozda nama tamo interesantno, ali ljude u svetu uopste ne interesuje. Treba imati samo bitne podatke, godine osnivanja, lige u kojima su igrali, imena, i to razdvojiti od tih ostalih stvari koje su samo nama interesantne... Isto tako se bas ne slazem sto vadis ono "District" iz recimo "Kragujevac District League" ali nema veze za sada jer moram da napravim tacan prevod za sve te nize lige u vreme Kraljevine Jugoslavije i da vidim kako se te administrativne oblasti tacno prevode na engleski, a za sada nisam imao vremena to da uradim. Kad budem uradio ubacicu tacna imena liga u sve clanke... Inace, skinuo sam ti neke linkove, linkove se rade sa celu imenicu, a ne samo deo, zato recimo FK Karađorđe linkujemo ako imamo clanak o tom KLUBU, inace nema logike linkovati istorijsku licnost karađorđa... To treba da pise u clanku od kluba da je ime uzeto od Karadjordja, ali ne linkovati Karadjordja jer nemamo clanak o fudbalskom klubu sa njegovim imenom... FkpCascais (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Pa upravu si. Nisam znao kako d aopsiem ligu. Pozdrav.--Nado158 (talk) 22:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Nema uopste problema, nisan ni ja bas siguran da li je "District" najbolji prevod za nasu "Oblast" - Liga kragujevacke oblasti - a "oblast" je bila administrativna oblast. Zato dok ne proverim kako najbolje prevesti nema veze da ne pise nista, moze Kragujevac league u medjuvremenu. :) FkpCascais (talk) 22:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)